President Clinton Holds First-Ever Internet InterviewAired February 14, 2000 - 1:40 p.m. ET
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LOU WATERS, CNN ANCHOR: Franklin Delano Roosevelt had his radio for the fireside chats. Every president since has had television. But now it's the year 2000 and President Clinton has the Internet. As you may have heard earlier, Mr. Clinton is about to hold an on-line interview taking questions from you. You can log on to CNN.com and he will give his answers both on-line and live here on CNN.
And CNN's Wolf Blitzer is in the Oval Office with the president -- Wolf.
WOLF BLITZER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Thank you very much, Lou. We are in the Oval Office here with President Clinton.
Mr. Clinton, thank you so much for doing this historic first-ever on-line news interview with CNN.com.
Just want to set the scene for you and for our audience. This is not only being put forward on CNN.com and other Internet users, but also it will be seen simultaneously on CNN and CNN International. Fifteen minutes after we're completed, there'll be an online video that people will be able to see whenever, if they missed it. There will also be a transcript. They will be able to stream and see this as it goes on on the Internet.
So it's a historic moment for the new technology. I know you've been fascinated by this. So let's get right at it.
We have some e-mail questions. The first one from Frank Williams in Tinley Park, Illinois: Mr. President, understandably you're supporting the presidential candidacy of Vice President Al Gore, but please share your personal political opinions of Senator John McCain and Governor George W. Bush.
WILLIAM J. CLINTON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I think I should pass on that. I think -- I've tried to stay out of this presidential election. I'm not a candidate, and I don't think that any headlines that I make should interfere with the ability of Senator McCain or Governor Bush to make their point. They're going to have an election in South Carolina and then they'll go on to other states.
And I think that then at some point it might become appropriate for me to say something and maybe at the Democratic convention or something, but -- or if they make a specific statement about my administration or my record. But I really believe that the American people, this is their year, their time. And I am, you know, going to vote for the vice president and I do support him because I think he's been the best vice president in our history, by far, and I think he's got a good program for the American people. And I know him to be a good man, and he'll make good decisions.
But I just don't think I should get in the middle of this presidential race. It only interferes with the voters' ability to draw their own conclusions. And I trust them. They almost always get it right.
BLITZER: But you do know Senator McCain and Governor Bush?
BLITZER: You've met them and you have your own opinions of both of these.
CLINTON: I do. And I follow this campaign closely. I'm interested. You know, I'm -- it's the first time in over 20 years when I've just been an onlooker, so it's been -- it's been fascinating to me as a citizen. But I don't think that I should say anything right now.
And I don't mean to dodge the gentleman's question, but I just think that anything I do would only complicate their lives. And they're making their case to the people and their arguing with each other, as they should be, and that's the way it ought to be done right now.
BLITZER: All right. We have another e-mail question from Peggy Brown (ph): Do you find it difficult, Mr. President, watching and listening to criticisms of the first lady as she attempts to capture the Senate seat in New York?
CLINTON: Sure. I mean, you know, of course I do. I now know how she felt all those years. You know, I love her very much and I think I know her better than anybody else, and I believe she'd be a great public official. And I hope that the people of New York will put her to work.
But if she's criticized -- particularly if somebody says something I know is flat out wrong, it drives me nuts. I want to be able to say: Gosh, I wish I could answer that one.
BLITZER: We have a chat room that's going on even as we speak right now. There's a question from one person. Are you optimistic, Mr. President, about the future for Middle East peace?
CLINTON: Yes, I am. This is a -- we're in a little tough patch, right now, because a lot of things are going on in the Middle East -- the trouble in Lebanon right now. And we're down to the last strokes, if you will. We're down to the hard decisions.
But I believe it is so clearly in the interests of the long-term security of Israel and the long-term interests of the Palestinians and the Syrians and the Lebanese to have a comprehensive peace. And I think we're so close on the substance that I am optimistic.
Now, it will require courage and it will require courage not just by the leaders, but the people of those countries have to recognize that you cannot make peace unless you're willing to give as well as to get.
But they ought to do it and they ought to do it sooner rather than later. I think that the longer you delay something like this when you have a moment of opportunity, the more you put it at risk.
But I am basically optimistic.
BLITZER: You've invested a lot of your personal time and energy in the Israeli-Palestinian and the Israeli-Syrian peace process.
Is it time for you, once again, to personally get involved and bring the parties together? Do something to make sure this opportunity is not lost?
CLINTON: Well, I am personally involved, even when I'm not in a public way. I'm always on the phone, always working this issue.
But I think that there will have to be some forward progress here in the next few weeks, and I'll do whatever I can to facilitate it in whatever way I can.
But beyond that, I don't want to say anything right now. We're working it and the parties are working it.
BLITZER: OK. Let's take another question from an e-mail that we received. Do you think, Mr. President, the federal government could do more for Internet security? I know you have a big conference, a big meeting, coming up here at the White House tomorrow to deal with this sensitive issue -- especially given the hacker problem that we saw in the last few weeks.
CLINTON: Well, the short answer to that is, we probably can. And I'm bringing in the group of people to meet with me tomorrow -- a lot of people from the high-tech community and from all our government agencies. These denial of service attacks obviously are very disturbing. And I think there is a way that we can clearly promote security.
I think it's important the American people not overreact to this. That is, we're into a whole new world with the Internet, and whenever we sort of cross another plateau in our development, there are those who seek to take advantage of it. So there -- this is a replay of things that have happened throughout our history, and we'll figure out how to do it and go forward.
But I think on balance, no one could dispute what a great thing the Internet has been for our country and for the world. There are now over 200 million people that use it every day, about half of them here in the United States. And we just need to keep pushing it. BLITZER: And we're using it right now. Let's take another question from our chat room, from our CNN.com chat room.
Mr. President, how will you advise Vice President Gore to keep this economy growing?
CLINTON: Well, I think he's got a pretty good idea, because he's been here with us and he's been part of all the decisions that have been made the last seven years.
But if you look at where we are, the question is, we had the longest expansion in history, how do we keep it going? I think we need to remember the fundamentals. We need to keep the debt being paid down, because that allows people in the private sector to borrow money not only to invest in new businesses or in their existing business, but also to purchase things. So the continuing debt repayment is important.
Keeping our markets open to make us competitive and keep inflation down is important. Investing in science and technology and research and in education and training, in closing the digital divide to make sure the access to the Internet is available to all Americans.
Those are the kinds of things that will keep this economy going. Especially, I would say, we have both a moral obligation and an economic opportunity by increasing investment in the areas which have been not so helped by the economic recovery -- in the Indian reservations, the inner-city communities, the rural communities, where they haven't been a lot of new jobs.
If you get growth there, it is by definition non-inflationary, because you get -- they haven't had much. So you can lower the unemployment rate there, and you create new businesses, new employees and new consumers at the same time.
BLITZER: Mr. President, there is another e-mail question that we have. How would you respond to arguments that you personally have had very little to do with the economic boom that the country has experienced during your administration?
CLINTON: Well, I would respond by asking them to remember what it was like before we announced and implemented our deficit reduction plan, and remember what a direct impact that had on interest rates, on investment, and on the stock market.
The American people deserve a lion's share of the credit. The high-tech community, we're part of it today, they deserve a lot of the credit. High-technology companies employ only eight percent of our people. They're responsible for 30 percent of our growth. The companies that restructured the '80s deserve a lot of credit. Everybody whose kept our markets open, guaranteeing low inflation and more competition, they deserve a lot of credit.
But, nonetheless, we had a completely jobless recovery, in what some people called the triple-dip economy, until we finally said, we're going to do something about this deficit. And when we did it, it was like breaking a dam.
And all the interest rates came down and people started being able to get money and started investing at an unprecedented rate. And the stock market started its upward march.
So I think the critical things we did: We had a good fiscal policy. We had a good policy on the markets. And we had a good policy on investing in technology and in people -- in education and training.
And I don't think there's any question that that had we not taken that first big bite out of the deficit, then the growth would have been much slower than it has been.
BLITZER: I guess the person asking this question is also suggesting the Republicans in Congress, Alan Greenspan, and the Internet economy -- all of that combined to help you.
CLINTON: And I agree with that. I agree. I think Chairman Greenspan did a good job. The main thing he's done, that I think he deserves a lot of credit for, is that he has been able to look at the evidence of the new economy and act on the evidence, instead of what you might call the old theology.
Otherwise, he would have -- he could have killed this recovery by raising interest rates too much too frequently in the past.
I think the Republicans in Congress -- not a one of them voted for the economic plan in '93, but we did have a bipartisan majority in both houses in '97 for the Balanced Budget Act, which continues what we're doing. And they deserve credit for that.
And I have never -- I try never to deny anybody else credit. This is an American achievement, not just mine. But if we hadn't taken that first big bite out of the deficit, I don't think we would -- we'd be where we are today.
BLITZER: Alright, Mr. President. We have another question, from Mohammed Ayuti (ph), an e-mail question. Why are the Western nations, why have they not done enough for Chechnya like they did for Kosovo?
CLINTON: Well, first of all, I don't think the situations are parallel. But I think the Western nations have spoken out against the excesses.
We believe, I think -- I think I speak for all the Western leaders; I certainly will speak for myself -- that Russia had a right to take on the paramilitary forces who were practicing terrorist tactics, but that it was a mistake to adopt a position that in effect ruled out negotiations with the elected officials in Kosovo who weren't part of the terrorism and to adopt tactics that cause a lot of civilian losses without any kind of corresponding gain.
So I think we've been pretty clear about that. That's different from what happened in Kosovo where Milosevic basically ran the whole country out, based on their ethnic origin, and had no intention of letting them come back until he had crushed anybody's ability to say anything.
And so I don't think that the situations are parallel, but I think we have spoken out against the excesses in Chechnya and tried to get humanitarian aid in there and will continue to try to help the people of Chechnya and the legitimate political forces there.
That's very different from what the paramilitary forces did. They have to bear their share of responsibility for what happened as well. I think some of them actually wanted the Chechen civilians attacked because they thought it would help improve their political position.
BLITZER: We have a follow-up question from our chat room. Let me read it to you as it's coming in: How can Americans know that America is really at peace with Russia?
CLINTON: Because we're not -- we're neither fighting with them nor on the edge of fighting. We've de-targeted our nuclear weapons against each other. We are working to secure the nuclear weapons in Russia, to help them destroy nuclear weapons, to help safeguard the materials that remain. And I hope very much that after the next Russian election we'll be able to make further progress on reducing the nuclear weapons that we both hold.
BLITZER: And Vladimir Putin, the acting president, is he someone that you can deal with?
CLINTON: Based on what I have seen so far, I think that the United States can do business with this man. I think he's obviously highly intelligent, he's highly motivated, he has strong views. We don't agree with him on everything, but what I have seen of him so far indicates to make that he's capable of being a very strong and effective and straightforward leader.
BLITZER: Let's go back to another issue involving the Internet. This is a question: Mr. President, what role will you play in the debate on taxing Internet commerce?
CLINTON: Well, we've played some role already. I signed a bill last year to have a three-year moratorium on any kind of discriminating -- discriminatory or transactional tax, if you will, on the commerce on the Internet. I don't think that there should be any access or any other kind of discriminatory taxes, from my point of view, ever on the Internet.
The tough question is the whole question of what happens to sales that if they were not on the Internet would be subject to state and local sales tax. And the governors are trying to work through. I know Governor Leavitt has taken a particular interest in that, the governor of Utah.
I think that's something that we have to work through, because we need -- there are whole questions about the need for states to simply their tax structures and there are other questions there that have to be resolved, and I think that's going to take some time to resolve.
But, I don't think we should have access taxes on the Internet, or any other kind of discriminatory taxes, because this is an important part of our economy, and we want it to grow.
I think, that for the states and the localities, they're going to have to keep working until they work through what the operational problems are.
QUESTION: Doesn't that discriminate though, against stores -- book store, for example.
CLINTON: Of course it does.
QUESTION: If you have to pay tax then.
QUESTION: If you go to Amazon.com you don't have to pay taxes?
CLINTON: It does. And that's the argument that the governors are making -- government argued a lot of that, that the merchants are making.
QUESTION: Well, where is your vision on that?
CLINTON: Well, what I'm trying to do, is get them together. There are also the Internet people point out that there are also a lot of complications in the way state taxes are. And they have on their side the way the Supreme Court law, which basically was made from mail-order sales -- same thing was made -- argument against mail-order sales.
And the prevailing legal position is that if you don't have enough connections to a state, you don't have the obligation to collect to remit the sales tax. Keep in mind the sales tax is due, it's just that the seller doesn't have to collect and remit it.
So most of the people I know who have Internet businesses are concerned about trying to make sure they get a simplified system, and they know what the drill is.
Their main concern, however, is not having access to the Internet itself taxed. You know, I with them on that, and I'm trying to support the process that now exists to resolve the issue of how state taxes -- the sales taxes can best be collected in a way that's not to burdensome on the Internet.
You don't want to burden the Internet, but you don't want to put people who aren't making sales on it, out of business. And we got to find that right balance, and that's what we're working on.
BLITZER: We have another question from our chat room, an international question involving the political situation in Austria, given the fact that Joerg Haider is now -- his party is part of the Austrian government. Let me read to the question: What does the United States plan to do to make sure that Austria knows that Nazi sympathy will not be accepted?
CLINTON: Well, I think we've made it quite clear that we do not support any expression of either sympathy with the Nazis in the past or ultra-nationalist, race-based politics, anti-immigrant politics in the future. That I think is equally important here.
We've also tried to stay pretty close to where the European Union has been because, after all, Austria is a part of Europe, and they've been very tough in condemning what the Austrians have done here.
So I think we're on the right track.
There is a delicate balance, however. You know, Austria is a democracy. This man's party got a certain percentage of the vote. He did based on appeals that went well beyond a narrow race-based appeal. And we don't want to say or do anything that builds his support even further.
But I think it ought to be clear to every Austrian citizen that we in the United States do not approve of his political program or his excessive rhetoric.
BLITZER: All right. Let's stay overseas. We have another e- mail question about U.S.-Iranian relations: I'd like to know, Mr. President, your view on the recent developments of Iranian-American relations as we, the Iranian youth, are really anxiously following political developments between the two countries and no doubt willing to finally see a healthy and mutually respectful relationship between the two.
CLINTON: Well, that's what I want. You know, I said, several weeks ago now, maybe a few months ago, that the United States had not been entirely blameless in the past in our relationships with Iran, but that -- and that we wanted a good relationship with Iran; that we did not support and did not condone anyone who would support terrorist actions; and that we had some, some -- we had some difficulties with Iran. But we were viewing with interest affairs within Iran. We want the Iranian people to have a good democracy. We'd like to see these elections. And we want to be supportive of better relationships, if we can work them out in ways that are mutually agreeable.
I think that, you know, one of the best things we could do for the long term peace and health of the Middle East and, indeed, much of the rest of the world, is to have a constructive partnership with Iran.
And I'm still hoping that that can materialize.
A lot of that is now in the hands of the Iranian people and their elections and also with the leaders of Iran. Some of them don't want that, but I think some of them may want that.
And I think it's important that the genuine reformers there not be in effect weakened because of their willingness to at least talk to us. Because I think the United States should always remain open to a constructive dialogue with people of good will.
And I think that the estrangement between these two countries is not a good thing. I think it would be better if we could have a relationship.
BLITZER: As you know, Mr. President, in this regard, 13 Iranian Jews were accused of spying and they're being held. Is this an irritant in this -- what do you want the Iranian government to do on that -- on that front?
CLINTON: Well, I have been assured by the Israelis that they were not spies. And I've done quite a bit of work on it. I'm very, very concerned about this. Because people cannot -- it is an irritant, you know. The American Jewish community is very, very concerned about it, and we've done a lot of work on it. And I'm hopeful that justice will be done there, and that no one will be punished for being a spy who isn't. That's not a good thing to do. That obviously is a real -- it's one of the sticking points.
But I think that there are other people of good will who are -- who the Iranians recognize are their friends, who want better relationships with them, who've also talked to them about this. And I'm hoping that it will be worked out in a satisfactory manner.
BLITZER: OK, Mr. President, I think we have another question from our chat room. Let's see what it is.
How can we keep the media giants from squashing the little guy? I guess they might be referring to the recent merger of our own CNN, Time Warner, AOL. What's your answer to that?
CLINTON: Well, I think the main things to me are there are two sets of little guys, I guess. One thing is you don't want to -- and Steve Case has talked about this for many years himself...
BLITZER: He's the chairman of AOL.
CLINTON: The chairman of AOL. That it's important not to have access choked off. We want all these -- if these mergers go through, we want them to lead to greater access to greater options to consumers at more affordable prices.
Then the second thing is, you want other competitors to be able to get into the game. That's what all the big controversy was, you know, over the antitrust suit involved Microsoft. And that's handled in the Justice Department strictly apart from the White House, so we have no role in that one way or the other.
And without expressing an opinion on that case one way or the other, I think what you want -- what I favor is an American economy where people who have good ideas and new messages they want to get out ought to have some way to do that if they can generate a following. So that's what needs to be monitored here.
Some of this amalgamation I think is inevitable given the possible synergy that could exist, for example, between a company like AOL and Time Warner, with all of its myriad publications and programs and networks. But you've got to have -- there has to be some room for people who want to compete and then there has to be a guarantee that consumers will not be choked off and their prices hiked, and in fact they'll have more access to more programs at more affordable process. And I think those are the touchstones that ought to guide government policy.
BLITZER: All right, let's take another question from our chat room, CNN.com chat room. What will the current and future administrations do to keep small business alive? Sort of related to the last question.
CLINTON: Well, one of the things that I'm very proud of about this economy, and again, I don't take total credit for this, this is part of our prosperity, but in every year I've been president we set a new record for starting small businesses, every single year.
I think that the Small Business Administration has an important role to play. I think that we -- we have dramatically increased the number of small business loans that we finance, and we have concentrated on women and minorities, others who've been traditionally denied credit.
We have promoted aggressively for the first time what we call community development financial institutions, where we put federal money into the banks to try to help them make small loans to people who never could have gotten credit before, just as we do around the world; we're now doing that here, and that's helping.
We tried to continue to minimize the burden of government regulations on small business, and I think that's important, to keep an entrepreneurial environment in America so people can get access to venture capital if they've got an idea and start it.
So, I think having the right conditions and then having specific access to capital and technical support through the Small Business Administration and the community financial institutions, that's the best thing we can do for small business.
BLITZER: All right, we have another question from the future -- about the future in our chat room. "What will the history book say about the Clinton presidency?"
CLINTON: Well, I'm not sure, because that's for the historians to decide, but I think they will say, among other things, that we had a -- we came into office with a different approach that was attuned better to the changes that were going on in the economy and the society and in the world, and that we helped America get through this enormous period of change and transition, in the metaphor I used, to build our bridge to the 21st century, and that our country was stronger when we finished than it was when we began. I hope that's what they'll say, and I believe they will.
BLITZER: All right, we have a follow-up question from our chat room. Let's take a look at that one. Mr. President, "what are you going to do when you leave office," which is now less than a year away? You probably -- are you counting the days? CLINTON: No. Not in a negative way. I mean, I'm not eager for them to be over. In fact, I'm -- one of the problems I have is I want to work even harder now to try to get as much done as I can. When I -- when I leave I'm going to establish a library and a public policy center.
BLITZER: That will be in Little Rock.
CLINTON: And that will take a couple of years to do. And I'm going to try to maintain a high level of activity in the areas that I'm particularly interested in.
You know, I spent a lot of my life working on reconciliation of people across racial, religious, other lines. I'm very interested in using the power of technology, like what we're doing now, to help poor countries and poor areas overcome what would ordinarily take years in economic development and education. I'm very interested in continuing my work to try to convince Americans and the rest of the world that we can beat global warming without shutting down the economy, that it's no longer necessary to use more greenhouse gases to grow economically. I'm very interesting in promoting the concept of public service among young people and trying to get more young Americans to take some time off to serve in our national government or state and local government. Those are four things I'll do.
Basically, I wan to try to be a good citizen. American has given me a lot, and more than I could have ever dreamed of. I loved being president, and I feel that I acquired a certain level of experience and knowledge that I owe back to my country.
And along the way I hope to write a few books and have a little fun, too. And I hope I'll be a member of the Senate Spouses Club. I'm going to do my best to support my wife in every way I can. But I just want to be a good citizen. I want to try to put what I've learned in a lifetime to use in a way that benefits the people of America and others around the world that I care about.
BLITZER: And you'll commute between Chappaqua, New York, and Little Rock, sort of?
CLINTON: Yes, I'll spend some time in Little Rock the next couple of years, you know, like I said, getting the facility up, and I'll spend some time with Hillary, as much as I possibly can, in New York. And then I'll probably travel some, and I hope we'll be able to travel some together. We just -- it depends on what happens in the next year, you know, but I'm really looking forward to it.
I love this job. I don't know if I'll ever do anything again that I love the work as much as I love this. John Kennedy described it well. He said basically it challenges all your abilities; it challenges your mind, you emotions, even your physical strength. But I think that I can do a lot of things that will be -- that will help other people when I leave here, and I'm going to do my best to do that.
BLITZER: All right, Mr. President, if you take a look at our chat room, the people who are participating in the CNN.com chat, there, they're participating in huge numbers right now. Let's take another question, though, from an e-mail person named Seth. He says this: "Mr. President, I have heard that you are an avid Web surfer and online shopper. What are your favorite Web sites?" CLINTON: Well, I wouldn't say I'm avid. I did do some Christmas shopping for the first time online this year, though, and I even -- I bought some things from the Native American crafts people at the -- in -- up in South Dakota at the Pine Ridge, which was really interesting to me. But I like -- I love books, so I like Amazon.com, and I'm fascinated by eBay, because I like to swap and trade and it reminds me of the old, you know, kind of farmer's markets and town markets I used to visit when I started out in politics in Arkansas so many years ago. I think the whole concept of people being able to get on-line and sort of trade with each other and almost barter is utterly fascinating to me.
BLITZER: All right, we have another question, Mr. President. We only have a little time left. Let's take this from the chat room.
"Mr. President, what is the biggest issue facing Americans in the New millennium?"
CLINTON: Well, I think the most important thing that we have to do is to make up our minds that we are actually going to build a more united country out of our diversity and out of our ground-breaking technology and advances in science and technology. That is, I think that if you look around the world today, the biggest problems seem to be rooted in racial, ethnic, religious strife.
If you look at America and how well we fit with a positive vision of the 21st century world, and you look at the continuing problems we've had here with these hate crimes, for example, the most important thing we could do is get our minds right and get our spirits right and realize that we have to learn to live with people who are different from us. We have to learn to keep our conflicts with them within proper bounds. So that our common goals override the differences between us. If we can build one America, that's the most important thing. And the American people are so innovative, so creative and we're so well-position for the future, everything else will work out. But if we allow ourselves to fall into these deep divisions over -- including political ones.
Differences of opinions are healthy, demonization is destructive and self-indulgent, and that's basically what we've got to work on. If we can keep working together enough in creative tension, then everything else will work out, I'm confident of it.
BLITZER: All right, Mr. President, we have time for one final question. It's from Wolf in Washington, D.C.. That would be me, my prerogative as the moderator of this discussion, this on-line interview we're having. Do you know the Republicans in the House of Representatives are pushing legislation that would remove the limits -- ease the limits on Social Security recipients as far as their earnings after they reach 65 until 70. A very sensitive subject, affects a lot of people watching right now, how much money they could earn and still be eligible for Social Security. Will you work with the Republicans, support them in eliminating those caps on earnings?
CLINTON: Absolutely. I'm thrilled by this. I hope this is just the beginning of a signal from them that they're willing to work on this whole Social Security area. And I think we should lift the earnings limit for two reasons: One is I don't really think it's fair for people -- if you're 65 today in American, your life expectancy is 83, and you want to be alert, you want to be physically strong. And we know as people stay more active, they're going to live better, not just longer. So I don't think we should penalize them.
Secondly, I think as the baby boomers retire, it's going to be important to have a higher percentage of people over 65, if they want to, working. So it'll be good for our society. I'm strongly in favor of it. If they will send me a bill that -- what we call in Washingtonspeak a clean bill, that is not -- doesn't have a lot of other things unrelated to that littered to it, I will be happy to sign it.
Then the second thing I'd like to urge them to do is to think about my proposal to dedicate the interest savings that we get from paying down the debt, because of the surplus in the Social Security tax, to the Social Security trust fund, to do two things. Number one, put the life of the trust fund out to 2050. That'll take care of most of the baby boom generation. And number two, do something about what -- single women's poverty on Social Security. Married women's poverty on Social Security about five percent. Overall, seniors over 65 under 10 percent now. Single women on Social Security tend to live longer, tend to have less money. They're poverty rate's somewhere between 18 and 20 percent.
So I like getting rid of the earnings limitation. It's the right thing to do. Let's just do it. But then let's lengthen the life of the trust fund and do something about the poverty rate among women who are retired.
BLITZER: Mr. President, thank you so much for joining us from the Oval Office. Always, of course, great to be in the Oval Office. And one day when you're not in the Oval Office, you'll probably be excited coming back here as well.
CLINTON: I will be. I'll always be excited to come here, and maybe I'll even get to do a Web chat with you afterwards.
BLITZER: We'll do it. Thank you so much for joining us.
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