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Clinton Hails Return of Democracy to YugoslaviaAired October 6, 2000 - 3:16 p.m. ET
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LOU WATERS, CNN ANCHOR: We have the president in the Rose Garden talking about the Serbian developments.
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WILLIAM J. CLINTON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: ... who took their country back with nothing but courage, principle and patriotism. They will now define the shape of their future. They have said they want to live in a normal country, at peace with its neighbors and a part of the world. The rest of us will welcome them.
This is a victory for newly elected President Kostunica, for his integrity and leadership in bringing this new day. As Yugoslavia's new leaders work to build a truly democratic society, we will move with our European allies to lift sanctions and bring them out of isolation.
This is a victory for all Southeast Europe. As long as Mr. Milosevic was in power, the danger of more violence in Bosnia, Kosovo, Montenegro, Macedonia remained high. A dark cloud has lifted, and though tensions and challenges clearly remain, prospects for enduring stability in the Balkans have greatly improved.
Finally, this day is also a victory for the steady, persistent position of the international community. Think where we were less than a decade ago. Mr. Milosevic was trying to build a greater Serbia, though conquest and ethnic cleansing. His forces attacked Slovenia, then Croatia, then Bosnia, unleashing violence that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people in the heart of Europe, at the dawn of what was supposed to be a new era of peace. And he was winning.
Had the world allowed him to win then, the people of Yugoslavia could not have won today. But America and our allies took a stand, rejecting the idea that the Balkan tragedies were too hard to solve and too distant to matter.
Together, we ended the war in Bosnia, reversed ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, supported forces of democracy and tolerance in Croatia and Montenegro, blocking Milosevic's efforts to prolong his rule by provoking new conflict, until the only remaining outpost of oppression was Serbia itself, where it all began.
Now history has come full circle. It is not just the end of dictatorship in Belgrade. In a real sense, it is the end of the war Mr. Milosevic started in the former Yugoslavia 10 years ago. Democracy has reclaimed every piece of ground he took. The greatest remaining obstacle to the long-held dream of a peaceful, undivided, democratic Europe for the first time in history has now been removed.
So now is not the time for the United States or our allies to retreat from the Balkans in complacency. Now is the time to stay the course and stick with people who have won their freedom, the time to build the economic and civil institutions that will allow democracy to endure, reconciliation and cooperation to develop, and the economy to grow.
Now, before I take your questions, I'd just like to mention a couple or two domestic issues.
First, this morning we received the good news that unemployment last month dropped again to 3.9 percent, a 30 year low...
WATERS: The president in the Rose Garden, taking more credit than his secretary, Madeleine Albright, earlier for U.S. policies in bringing about the Yugoslavian revolution. He said, "Democracy has reclaimed every piece of ground that Milosevic took."
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WATERS: Back to the president in the Rose Garden, who is answering reporters' questions on the subject.
CLINTON: ... when Lech Walesa led the shipyard workers in Poland, when the transformations occurred in all these other former communist countries, and it reverses a 10 year effort. It is an extraordinary day.
QUESTION: Mr. President, is it your understanding that the Russians are brokering a deal or trying to broker a deal with Milosevic? Or that they're delivering a blunt message for him just to step aside?
CLINTON: Well, there have been two different reports, and so it's not clear. Let me say the -- we have always said, all of us, that the Russians could play a constructive role here, and that we hoped that they would as soon as they felt they could do so, make it clear that Mr. Milosevic should respect the results of the elections.
And today, even the constitutional court, which just a few days ago had invalidated the first election, even the constitutional court said, "Hey, this guy won, fair and square, and he's the president."
So when I hear the report that Mr. Ivanov had delivered a congratulatory letter to President Putin and was clearly looking forward to a new Yugoslavia, I thought that was consistent with the policy that all the Europeans had held and that the United States had held, and that we would be working together again, as we have worked together in Bosnia and Kosovo.
Then we were later given reports that I think -- I think that are on the news, that instead maybe what he said was that he was congratulating him on a strong showing in the election, but leaving open the prospect of when he should become president.
So I will say again, I don't think there should be a deal brokered here.
I think the only issue is: Should the will of the people of Serbia be honored? Should the integrity of an election, that is even being recognized by a court that just a couple of days ago tried to thwart it, be upheld? If the Russians will take that position, as soon as they feel that they can, that can make a big, positive difference.
QUESTION: Mr. President, you said, "Now is not the time to retreat from the Balkans in complacency." Is that a response that Governor Bush, in the debate the other night, when he expressed doubts about American peacekeeping?
CLINTON: Well, he wasn't the only one. If you go back -- there were a lot of people who didn't agree with what we did in Bosnia. There were a lot of people who didn't agree with what we did in Kosovo. I felt very strongly that we did have profound national interests in stabilizing Europe and permitting it to be united, not divided; all democratic, not partly so; and free of ethnic cleansing and slaughter. I felt very strongly about that. I still believe we were right, and I think that subsequent events have ratified the direction that we've taken from the beginning here.
And I'm very proud of the fact that it took us about two years, after I became president, to get strong consensus among our European allies, but I'm very proud of what they've done in their own backyard and the leadership they've taken and the stands that they've taken. But that's not what I meant. I don't mean to get into a discussion of the current political campaign.
What I was referring to is that, if you remember, we had a big conference after Kosovo on the need to give the Balkans something positive to look forward to, not just to say, "Stop all these bad things you've been doing." But here's a way to build a united economic block, here's a way to work together, here's a way to rebuild all these countries, and that there ought to be a Balkan stability pact.
And I said at the time that the only difficulty with this concept was that Serbia, which has always been a big anchor of the Balkans, could not be a part of it because of Mr. Milosevic's policies and actions.
So the reason that I said what I said today was to make it clear that I think Serbia, once democracy has clearly and unambiguously been restored, should definitely be a part of the Balkan stability pact, and that the United States should play its role there.
The Europeans are carrying the lion's share of the financial burden, which was the agreement we made when we carried the lion's share of the burden during the conflict in Kosovo, but we have responsibilities there. And I was referring to the imperative of our meeting our responsibilities there, not trying to go back and revisit the history for any political purpose.
I think what I want everybody to do is get beyond the politics and look at the -- look at the enormous potential now. But the United States and our European allies, having done so much in Bosnia and Kosovo, having supported the institutions of a free election in this last process in Serbia, we owe it to those people now to reward the decision they have made, as well as to reward and redeem the sacrifice that has been made in those other countries.
QUESTION: Mr. President, what are you going to talk about with the North Korean leader next week? Are you looking for a major breakthrough?
CLINTON: Well, first I'm going to listen, and I'm going to tell them that I am encouraged by the work done by President Kim in South Korea and by Kim Jong Il in North Korea. And I want to encourage that development.
You know, the United States has had -- when I became president in 1993, everybody thought the most serious problem we faced in terms of world security was the potentially imminent development of nuclear weapons by North Korea, because they were so good at building missiles which could deliver them, a development which was -- would have been very ominous not only because of what it might have meant on the Korean Peninsula and to Japan, but also what it might have meant should North Korea have sold both missiles and warheads to others.
So we worked very hard, with the support of the South Koreans, to establish a direct relationship with North Korea to try to stop the nuclear program. And you know about all the consequences there: building a light water reactor, getting the financing, giving crude oil to -- giving oil for the North Koreans to meet their energy needs.
Beyond that, however, we refused with great discipline to have -- to go beyond that until there was some movement at reconciliation between South Korea and North Korea. We didn't want to get separated from South Korea; we wanted to stick with them.
And now the president of South Korea, who deserves the lion's share of credit for all that has happened here, although he had to have a response from Kim Jong Il, and he deserves credit for what he has done, has encouraged me to have whatever contact the North Koreans deem appropriate at this time.
So what I want to do is just explore the possibilities. We're very concerned about a reconciliation between our two countries.
That would be a good thing. But it also has to be good for South Korea, and, I might add, the interests of Japan are quite important here. And the Japanese have interests that are not quite identical to the South Koreans, but they're very legitimate.
You know that our relationship with Japan is profoundly important to us, over the long run. So I'm working through this.
I believe the Chinese strongly support this meeting and what we're trying to do. We tried to coordinate with them.
So on balance, this is a big plus. I will explore what the possibilities are and consider what actions they're willing to take, what actions we should take consistent, not only with our own interests, but with those of South Korea and our other friends in the region.
QUESTION: ... returning to Yugoslavia for a minute. Do you recognize Kostunica as the president of Serbia, not just president- elect? And will you still lift sanctions if -- even if Kostunica sticks by his campaign promise not to turn Milosevic over to The Hague?
CLINTON: Well, let me answer the second question first. I think that we have to -- we have to make an aggressive effort to reward the courage and heroism of the people there in restoring democracy. We have to do something immediately, because they're under great distress. They're under great economic distress. They've suffered a lot because of these sanctions.
Now, there are a lot of sanctions and a lot of layers of them, almost. And what we -- we should make an opening move here. I think the Europeans and the United States, all the countries that have supported this in the UN, that makes it clear that we support what has happened and we intend to help them.
Then what happens after that will have to be determined based on events within Serbia and also events -- and also in consultation with our allies.
Now, the second question that you asked, or the first one you asked, I do consider him the president, but I think, you know, they have a constitution and I think he has to be ratified by their parliament. So I'm hoping -- I was hoping it would happen today, and what I've been told is they're literally having trouble physically getting the people who are in the parliament to come in so they can -- enough of them can be there so he can get the two-thirds required.
But I think the people have taken care of the transfer of power, but it needs -- so I consider him the duly elected president of Serbia and the former Yugoslavia in its present form, but I think probably he would say, if he were here answering this question, that he considers himself the president, but that he still needs to be formally ratified.
QUESTION: Mr. President, the Congress of the United States has come to an agreement to ease the embargo on Cuba on food and medicine. Do you agree with the way it's being worked out? They've put certain restrictions on travel, on American banks, what they can and cannot do.
CLINTON: Well, let me tell you what I understand it to do. And all I can say is, I hope I'm wrong. I will posit that I have not read what they finally voted for. But what I have been told is that it looks like it eases the embargo on food and medicine, but it probably doesn't very much, because it doesn't provide any financing credits, which we give to other poor countries; where as it definitely restricts the ability of the executive branch to increase people-to- people contacts between Americans and Cubans, thus further punishing and restricting the possibilities of the Cuban people.
So I think, you know, that this is one of those things where somebody can go home and say, "I made a good deal for the farmers," and it's so close to the election nobody will know whether it's real or not, but certainly restricts, and I think in a completely unwarranted way, the ability of the United States to make travel decisions on policy, that I do not believe should be made, written in law in stone by the Congress. I think it's wrong.
So I hope I'm wrong about it. I hope at least that the food and medicine provisions are real. But that's not what I've been told.
And so, you know, I think a lot of people voted for it, because they probably couldn't think of a way to say they voted against food and medicine, knowing it wasn't real, so they got a lot of votes for a travel restriction that I can't believe a majority of the Congress really believes in. And I think it was a big mistake, if it's what I think it is. But I don't want to -- I want to reverse -- reserve some room for judgment when we have a chance to review the actual language.
WATERS: Questions about the third world in the Rose Garden for the presidnet, Cuba, reconciliation of the two Koreas, but mpost of the questions about Yugoslavia and the apparent election of President- elect Vojislav Kostunica.
The president saying while je acknowledges that Kostunica has been elected, he's awaiting his endorsement of the man until the parliament there has rendered its decision and cast a two-thirds vote formally approving of that election.
As far as sanctions are concerned, the president said something must be...
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WATERS: President Clinton is now talking about the Middle East, so let's check with him at the White House.
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CLINTON: ... and you saw an early attempt after the prayer service by the Palestinian forces to restrain activities by some of the Palestinians, some of the rock throwing. What happened was, I think because it's a very sensitive day, because some had called for it to be a day of rage, because it was the holy day of the week for the Muslims, I'm not sure that they could stop everything that happened today.
And so I would say to all of you, I don't believe that we have enough evidence that the two sides aren't trying to keep the agreement they made, and I think we need to give this another day or two to see if we can calm it down.
I was very afraid that this could have been the worst day of all, because of the other circumstances. So even though it was a very tough day, we do believe that both sides tried to take some steps to defuse the violence.
And let me just say again, I know there are all kind of other questions being asked, but by far the most important thing is to put an end to the violence and to see this as a sober reminder of the imperative of getting on with this peace process.
QUESTION: Why does it seem like they're stonewalling? We don't seem to know what they're up to.
CLINTON: What who's up to?
QUESTION: The Russians. Are you talking...
CLINTON: Well, I've talked to President Putin and Madeleine Albright's been in virtually constant contact with Foreign Minister Ivanov. I do think that we -- but I think what happened is, all I -- they may not have done anything inconsistent, but we -- when we first heard they were going to Belgrade, which originally we thought they wouldn't, when we had been urging them all along not to try to mediate, because we don't think that's a good idea, but to try to -- but just to take a clear and unambiguous stand for what was evident result of the election. That's what we've urged them to do, because we know that they could have a positive impact if they do that. Not mediate, but take a clear stand for the will of the Serbian people.
And so, the only thing I was commenting on you today on is, there's been two different reports coming out about what, in fact, the message was. So we're at this moment trying to determine exactly what their position is and where we go from here. But I will just say again, if the Russians are prepared to deliver a clear and unambiguous message at the earliest possible time, that will be a plus. I think trying to split hairs, here, after all that's happened in the streets and after what clearly happened in the election, is not a good idea.
But, you know, just -- again, I want to say we ought to take a little time to appreciate where we are. Ten years ago, we could not have even had this conversation about Russia. Now they've had the first peaceful transfer of power and a legitimate election in their own country in a thousand years. And so now we look to the president of Russia to do what we look to the prime minister of France, to the prime minister of Great Britain, to the -- the German chancellor to do or the American president, for that matter.
This is a, you know, I know this is a -- believe me, this is a difficult waiting period for me, because of the belief that I have always had that we should stand against ethnic cleansing in the Balkans and stand up for freedom and because -- let me just say one other thing.
CLINTON: The estrangement of the United States and Serbia has been painful because we have so many Americans of Serbian origin, something I meant to say in my opening statement. Everywhere from Ohio to Texas, this country's full of Serbian-Americans who have made terrific contributions to our country. And so, you know, I hope we can get this worked out.
But to go back to your question, we've been in very close contact with the Russians. They've been up front with us. They haven't misled us about where they are, and we certainly have not misled them about where we are. And we're trying to get to a common position, just like we had to work to get to a common position in Bosnia and Kosovo and all these other -- on all these other issues involving the Balkans. And I think they'll get there, but sooner's better than later.
QUESTION: Mr. President, how much credit do you think your administration deserves for what is happening in Yugoslavia?
CLINTON: Well, I think I'll just let my statement stand for itself. You can't apportion percentages when something like this happens. The lion's share of the credit belongs to the people. Finally, after enduring so much, they first showed up to vote, with 75 percent turnout, and when they tried to take -- the government tried to take their vote away, they came and got it back. And it's an awesome thing to see.
And, second, you've got to give a lot of credit to Mr. Kostunica -- Kostunica, I'm learning to pronounce his name. It's the second syllable, Kostunica.
And I think that he, you know, he never hesitates to disagree with Europe and the United States when he disagrees with us, he's clearly a Serbian nationalist, he's a patriot, but he appears to be profoundly devoted to the rule of law and to constitutional procedures.
That's all we ever asked for. We don't ask people to go around and agree with us on everything. All we want to do is deal with a country where they believe in the rule of law, and they don't believing in killing their opponents and killing people who are of different religious or ethnic backgrounds and where they want to argue their positions out in an appropriate way. And so I think you have to give them a lot of credit.
I think the people who stood for freedom and against ethnic cleansing in Bosnia and Kosovo and Croatia and Montenegro, they deserve a lot of credit for this. CLINTON: But I think it is unlikely that this day would have happened if we hadn't -- not "we, the United States," we, all of our allies -- that all of us together had not prevented Mr. Milosevic from having his way in Bosnia and Kosovo and encourage the forces of tolerance and freedom in Croatia and Montenegro, tried to help little Macedonia make its way into the future.
So I think you've got a mix here. I don't think it's possible to apportion percentage, and I don't think any of us should worry about that that. This is not a day for credit, it's a day for celebration.
But as always, when freedom triumphs, the number one responsible element are the people, just like in this country.
QUESTION: Did you watch any of the vice presidential debate, any part?
WATERS: The president of the United States...
CLINTON: I was in transit, couldn't watch. I liked what I saw. No, I haven't read anything yet about it. I've been working on this today.
WATERS: The president of the United States commenting on the extraordinary events in Yugoslavia, as simultaneously the president- elect of Yugoslavia, Vojislav Kostunica, is being interviewed on state-run television, which is now in opposition hands.
He, the president of the United States, reiterated that what he is waiting for now is a vote by the parliament, a two-thirds majority, to sanction the election of Kostunica and an unambiguous and clear message from the Russians about the future of Milosevic and that democracy has been restored.
The president called it an extraordinary day, and that it is.
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