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President Bush Meets With German Chancellor
Aired October 9, 2001 - 15:44 ET
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JUDY WOODRUFF, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I'm Judy Woodruff. We are interrupting "TALKBACK LIVE" to go to the White House, where President Bush has been meeting with German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder: Germany being one of the handful of countries cooperating militarily in the war against terrorism.
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GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: ... to the Oval Office again. Chancellor Schroeder came to talk about our war against terrorist activities. We had a great discussion.
First, I want to thank the chancellor for his solidarity with the American people and his strong statement of support for the American people right after the evildoers struck on September the 11th.
I also want to thank Chancellor Schroeder and the German people for their outpouring of support for the victims.
And I also want to thank him for being a steadfast friend in a broad coalition that is determined to root terrorism out where it may exist; to not only bring the Al Qaeda organization to justice, but to declare a broad campaign against terrorists and terrorism all across the world. There is no more steadfast friend in this coalition than Germany, and I'm proud to have him here.
We also talked about the Middle East and the importance that both of us recognize for that process to get into Mitchell as quickly as possible. The German government has been very strong about working with both parties in the Middle East to get into Mitchell. I assured him we're doing the same thing. There would be no better stabilizer for our coalition than for the Mitchell process to begin in the Middle East.
But, Mr. Chancellor, so thrilled to have you here. Thank you for coming.
SCHROEDER (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Thank you very much, indeed, Mr. President. I, obviously, very happily came here, and I'm pleased to be here, because it is important to us to show that very much in these difficult times friendship must prevail and does prevail. And I'm also here to express the deepest solidarity from the German side, which is not just words being said, but is a fact. We very much are in agreement about the fact that this fight against terrorism which we are all involved in by now must be a very comprehensive approach indeed. The action that is being taken right now must be added to through political measures; through diplomatic action, too.
We also find it very important to maintain the strong degree of cohesion that we see at this point in time within the anti-terror alliance that has formed around the world. We went on to agree that it was crucially important to dry up the financing for the terrorists.
And we also find it very important to highlight that the action that is presently being taken in Afghanistan is not at all directed against the people of a Afghanistan. It is not at all directed against Islam. It is, rather, directed against Osama bin Laden and the very ruthless regime behind him.
We have also very strongly emphasized how important we find it that we do provide relief for the refugees and cope with the refugee problem that will arise. I can only yet again emphasize the high degree of respect that I feel vis-a-vis the United States of America and the American president -- how he has gone about linking humanitarian aid and assistance up with the strike in this fantastic way he's done.
BUSH: Thank you, sir.
QUESTION: Mr. President, how close are we (OFF-MIKE) U.S. ground troops in Afghanistan?
And, Mr. Chancellor, what extra commitments did you make of German military assets today for the United States cause?
BUSH: Well, first, I think the American people are beginning to realize that this a unique type of war. The first shot we took in this war against terrorism was when we started cutting off their money. And I want to thank the German chancellor and the German government for cooperating and joining with us in not only sharing information, but making it clear to Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups, we're going to cut you off financially.
Secondly, as you know, we started conventional operations, and I believe Secretary Rumsfeld summed it up pretty well today when he made it clear that the skies were now free for U.S. planes to fly without being harassed in any way, and that the missions have been successful.
And as to whether or not we will put troops on the ground, I'm not going to tell you. I think you've got to understand we will not share intelligence nor will we talk about military that we may or may not have in the future.
SCHROEDER (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): I have, and you might remember me saying that, never excluded military contributions coming from the Federal Republic of Germany.
We most obviously addressed this topic today. But as you might easily understand, it would be entirely unhelpful to spread this kind of information. It would only help the enemy that we're trying to bring down. It is obvious that at the given point in time, details will be discussed in our friendship and we'll come to good decisions.
QUESTION: Mr. President, can you tell us what prompted you to write the memo to Congress about briefing on intelligence matters, why you think such decisions are appropriate? Could you also address what threat you think these limited anthrax exposures pose more generally? Is it linked to terrorism at all?
BUSH: Well, first -- Mr. Chancellor, we had some security briefings take place up on Capitol Hill, a discussion about classified information, and some of that information was shared with the press.
SCHROEDER: Oh, we know that trouble.
BUSH: You know that trouble, too.
These are extraordinary times. Our nation has put our troops at risk. And therefore, I felt it was important to send a clear signal to Congress that classified information must be held dear; that there's a responsibility that if you receive a briefing of classified information, you have a responsibility. And some members did not accept that responsibility; somebody didn't.
So I took it upon my self to notify the leadership of the Congress that I intend to protect our troops. And that's why I sent the letter I sent. It's a serious matter. It's very serious, that people in positions of responsibility understand that they have a responsibility to people who are being put in harm's way.
I'm having breakfast tomorrow with the members of Congress. I will be glad to bring up this subject. I understand there may be some heartburn on Capitol Hill. But I suggest if they want to relieve that heartburn, that they take their positions very seriously, and that they take any information they've been given by our government very seriously.
Because this is serious business we're talking about.
The second question, about anthrax, that is serious as well. I want to first tell the American people that an incident obviously came up in the form of a sick male who unfortunately passed away, and the local authorities, along with the CDC, responded very quickly.
There is a system in place to notify our government, and governments, in the case of some kind of potential biological incident or chemical incident. And the system worked.
And now the system is even working better, because we have in essence gone into the building, cleaned the building out, taken all samples as possible, and are following any trail -- any possible trail. Thus far it looks like it's a very isolated incident, but any, any type of incident, any type of information that comes into our government we take very seriously, because we understand we're dealing with evil people.
And as you know, I've assured the American people that life should go on as normal. But they also should know, the American people should know that our government is doing everything we can to make our country as safe as possible.
QUESTION: Mr. President, the Pakistani president says he was told that the bombing campaign would be relatively short. How long do you think it will take?
QUESTION: And what do you say to some of these people in the Islamic world who are protesting?
BUSH: Yes. Well, I don't know who told the Pakistani president that. Generally, you know, we don't talk about military plans. And there's one way to shorten the campaign in Afghanistan, and that's for Osama bin Laden and his leadership to be turned over so they can be brought to justice.
We will have a sustained effort. But I want to remind you that this is a part of a larger effort; that our war, the war of freedom- loving people, such as the Germans and the Americans, is against terrorists as a whole, and this is one part of a large campaign.
We, the coalition, has arrested over 200 people that have been associated with the Al Qaeda organization. All around the world, freedom-loving people are gathering information, sharing information and bringing people to justice.
What was the second part of your question?
BUSH: I say that if they think that the -- first of all, I think the message of the Al Qaeda organization is one of evil and hate. I understand people's willingness to protest, but they should not protest the decisions our coalition is making because it is in the best interests of freedom and human kind.
Ours is a compassionate nation, as is Germany. We are both combining our resources to help people in need. There are thousands of starving Afghans because there is a Taliban government in place that has caused starvation and deprivation and discrimination. And they are now housing terrorists.
And make no mistake about it, the doctrine that says if you house a terrorist you're just as guilty as the terrorist will stand. We're making that very evident to the world as we speak.
QUESTION: Do you still want Mr. bin Laden dead or alive, sir?
BUSH: I want there to be justice. I want there to be justice. And it's Al Qaeda, but it's anybody who feeds Al Qaeda, who houses Al Qaeda, who encourages Al Qaeda, any other terrorist organization that is affiliated with Al Qaeda is just as guilty as far as I'm concerned.
We're a very patient people. The American people understand, and I know the chancellor understands, that this is a different kind of war.
You know, there is a certain sense of fascination with previous wars in Kosovo, and Desert Storm, where people could turn on their TV screens and see high-tech weaponry burrowing into bunkers and massive explosions.
This is a different type of war. There will be a conventional component to the conflict, but much of what takes place will never make it onto the TV screens. Much of the efforts that we talked about in the Oval Office will be efforts you'll never see until people are brought to justice.
And therefore there has to be a certain patience. I think the American people are beginning to understand that.
I will assure you that the terrorists of the world will understand that I'm determined, and having talked with the chancellor, that he's determined to lend the resources of our government to bring them to justice. If it takes one day, one month, one year, or one decade, we're patient enough, because we understand that the actions we take together are not only important for today, but will say to future chancellors or future presidents, "Here's how we fight terrorism."
We also understand the actions we take today will make it more likely that our children's children will be able to grow up in a free world. The first shot of the new war of the 21st century was fired September the 11th. The first battle is being waged, but it's only one of a long series of battles.
QUESTION: Mr. President, as you noted on Sunday, there's a certain amount of nervous anxiety in the nation, fear of new attacks, now that the military campaign has begun. Will the new Office of Homeland Security do anything concrete to recommend to average people that they can do to protect themselves?
BUSH: Well, I think the -- you know, the people of America should go about their business -- should go about their daily lives, knowing full well that our government at all levels is doing everything we can to disrupt any potential action and/or to provide the security necessary for people to travel, for example.
And I am briefed every single morning about what somebody may or may not have heard and what actions are taking place. And their government is responding as forcefully and actively as humanly possible.
One of the reasons why this coalition is so important is because we share information. When Germany hears something about something that may take place here, and vice versa, we share information. And so, we're on high alert at the governmental level. But the American people should go about their business, and people ought to travel, and people ought to feel, you know, feel comfortable going to see the mighty Houston Astros play, people ought to feel comfortable going about their lives, knowing that there government is doing everything humanly possible to disrupt any potential activity that the evil ones may try to inflict upon us.
QUESTION: Mr. President, when you meet with the congressional leadership tomorrow, will you be specific about what they can and cannot relay back up to the Hill, or do you just expect them not to relay anything?
BUSH: Well, I'm going to talk to the leaders about this. I have talked to them about it. I mean, when the classified information first seeped into the public, I called them on the phone and said, "This can't stand." We can't have leaks of classified information. It's not in our nation's interest. We're now in extraordinary times.
And I was in the -- when those leaks occurred, by the way, it was right before we committed troops. And I knew full well what was about to happen. And yet, I see in the media that somebody or somebodies feel that they should be able to talk about classified information.
And that's just wrong. The leadership understands that. And if there are concerns, we'll work it out.
I mean, obviously, I understand there needs to be some briefings. I want Don Rumsfeld to feel comfortable briefing members of the Armed Services Committee. But I want Congress to hear loud and clear it is unacceptable behavior to leak classified information when we have troops at risk. And I'm looking forward to reiterating that message.
And we will work together. We've got a great relationship.
Listen, the four leaders with whom I have breakfast on a weekly basis fully understand the stakes. They fully understand the decision I made. And they will have gotten feedback from their members and we will discuss it. But one thing is for certain: I have made clear what I expect from Capitol Hill when it comes to classified information.
SCHROEDER: Let me add something: I hope that the German press corps did hear it.
QUESTION: Do you consider Russia's war in Chechnya to be, first, a war against terrorists? And has your view on that changed since September 11?
BUSH: I've had very good conversations with Vladimir Putin about the war on terrorism. I know the chancellor has as well. As a matter of fact, I'm going to be meeting with the president of Russia within two weeks in Shanghai, and I'm looking forward to those meetings.
I have made it clear to him that I appreciate his strong statements about America's efforts and the coalition's efforts to fight terrorism where we find it. I also made it clear to him that he needs to respect minority rights within his country. And he listened very carefully, and I think he's appreciative that our message has been consistent.
From the very first conversation I had with President Putin, I expressed concern about how his government was viewing the minority that exists and how they were being treated.
And my position has been very consistent. To the extent that there's Al Qaeda organizations in his neighborhood, they need to be brought to justice as well. And we look forward to sharing information with him, just like he's sharing information with us.
He was one of the first -- I will tell you an interesting story. I was airborne in Air Force One on September the 11th and put our troops to high alert status, and one of the first phone calls I got, through my national security office, was from Vladimir Putin announcing that he has stood his troops down, which is significant.
In the old days, if we'd have put our troops on heightened alert, they would have put their troops on more heightened alert, which would have caused our troops to on higher alert, and all of a sudden we would have had a conflict -- a potential conflict, out of the realm of the incident that caused the troops to go on alert. So he quickly called and said, "We're standing our troops down."
It's a new attitude toward relationship. He understands the Cold War is over, and so do I, which provides great opportunity for not only America, but Germany, to work with Mr. Putin for our nation's interests and his nation's interests. And I think we're going to find a lot of common ground, one of which will be to fight terrorism.
But as I explained to him, it's going to be hard to have common ground if he represses the press and/or treats minorities within his own country in a way that the Western world simply doesn't understand.
Listen, thank you all for coming.
Thank you, Chancellor.
SCHROEDER: Thank you.
BUSH: I appreciate you, sir. Thanks.
WOODRUFF: President Bush meeting with German Chancellor Gerhardt Schroeder. They've been meeting for the last hour or so in the White House. And the president, turning that -- what was to have been just a brief statement at the Rose Garden into a little mini news conference, if you will, at one point putting the war against terrorism in context, saying this is all about making the world safe for our children and children's children.
And he kept referring to Chancellor Schroeder there, standing at his side. He asked about the anthrax cases that have been identified in Florida. He said that this is something that is serious. He said that it's something that the government is working on. And more broadly, he said that Americans who feel fear, who feel anxious, should go about their lives as normal, and let the government worry about the threat of terrorism.
Just two quick points. The president said that he has no information -- or he's not going to share any information about whether or not there will be ground troops, U.S. ground troops going into Afghanistan. And on the question of sharing information with members of Congress, the president practically scolded members of Congress for information from a classified briefing that came out and was shared with the press, and for that point I want to bring in our White House correspondent, Major Garrett.
Major, there is no mistaking, I think, if anyone doubted how strongly the president feels about limiting any new classified information that goes to Congress.
MAJOR GARRETT, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Judy, you know, the White House likes to say the president's words speak for themselves. Well, his demeanor also spoke volumes in that press conference there. The president, making it abundantly clear -- he almost took it as a personal offense that secret, classified information provided to members of Congress late last week was, in fact, leaked to the press. And it was a rather strong census on Capitol Hill, exactly what the president is referring to.
A quotation attributed to someone in that classified briefing saying there was a 100 percent chance that there would be terrorist act committed in the United States if, in fact, a military campaign was conducted. Well, as the president said, he just put it in context, that information was released just before he was about to commit troops.
And as he said, I knew what was going to happen, which was why he considered that particular leak so damaging, not only to the psyche of the country, but to his own military plans. And I would say, Judy, there's no "practically" about it. I think that was as close as I've ever seen to a presidential scolding of Congress, invoking the word "responsibility." You have a responsibility not to release this, and you should take that responsibility, the president said, seriously.
It's worth pointing out, Judy, though, that just as that press conference was going on, some vehicles pulled up to the West Wing behind us. Out of them came the head of the House International Relations Committee, Republican Henry Hyde, and the ranking Republican of the Foreign Relations Committee, Senator Jesse Helms. They are here, as I believe others are, for a briefing or at least a discussion with the president about these and other matters. So consultations do, of course, continue.
WOODRUFF: And you're right, Major. The president couldn't have been more blunt. At one point he said some members of Congress didn't respect the responsibility they've been given. One other thing I want to ask you about, Major.
It seemed to me the president was going out of his way just now to reassure Americans, even though we've heard these words from him before. When he said today people should go about their lives as they will -- he mentioned going to a baseball game, I think -- or, I'm sorry, a football game -- he tried to make it sound as if, you know, let the government worry about some of these threats we've been hearing about.
GARRETT: Ever a Texan, the president said go out and see the mighty Astros, a reference to the Houston Astros, which are playing their first playoff game tonight. Not everyone will be able to get to see that game who wants to see it, at least not in person. But clearly, the president trying to make an effort.
And the White House officials we have spoken with make it abundantly clear, this is not an easy thing to do. Stories about anthrax, stories about anything that come up, that appears to have any relationship to what happened on September 11th. The public is, as White House officials will readily acknowledge, justifiably nervous. But the president trying to calm the country, saying the government is doing everything it possibly can to address your concerns and to keep the country safe -- Judy?
WOODRUFF: All right, Major Garrett at the White House. Once again, President Bush meeting with the German Chancellor Gerhardt Schroeder. Germany, being one of the very few countries -- a handful of countries that are cooperating militarily with the United States in this war against terrorism, the strikes on Afghanistan.
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