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Traveling on Faith

Aired January 15, 2004 - 11:55   ET


DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: The president has arrived at the church. This is the Union Bethel AME Church in New Orleans. He just arrived. That's the Reverend Thomas Brown, the head pastor of the church.
Let's listen in.


REV. THOMAS BROWN, UNION BETHEL AME CHURCH: Isaiah 32, verse 2 and 3 says, "and a man shall be as a hiding place from the wind, and a cover from the tempests, as rivers of water in a dry place, as the shadow of a great rock in a weary land, and the eyes of them that see him shall not be dimmed, and the ears of them that hear him shall hark him."

On behalf of bishop C. Gonette Hennings (ph) and the Union Bethel Family, I present to you the president of the United States of America, and I say to you, Mr. President, you're welcome, sir.

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Thank you all very much for your warm welcome.

Reverend Brown, thank you for your hospitality -- your gracious hospitality.


It's not easy to host a president.


Seems as if the entourages are quite large. So I want to thank you for accommodating me and this cast of characters that travels with me.

I'm here to talk about something vital to the future of the country.

And I appreciate you giving me a chance to share with you my dreams and aspirations for all our citizens.

I'm really not worthy to stand here when I think about the fact that not only as Reverend Brown preaches here on a regular basis, but this was the very place where Martin Luther King stood as well some 42 years ago; it's from this pulpit that he preached. Today would have been his 75th birthday. It's important for our country to honor his life and what he stood for.


Dr. King understood that faith is power greater than all others. That's what he knew. It's an important lesson for us to remember here in America, that God's word can humble the mighty, can lift up the meek, and can bring comfort and strength to all who yearn for justice and freedom.

Those of us who are involved with public policy must not fear that philosophy as we all work together to save lives.

I'm at this church to talk about the importance of what we call a faith-based initiative. Really what I'm here to say is that, in the land of plenty, we must recognize there are still people who hurt; in the land of plenty, there are people who search for the light, who simply want a chance to succeed and realize their God-given talents.

And those of us who have been blessed with the opportunity to help must play to the strength of our country in order to help save lives.

The strength of America is found in the hearts and souls of our fellow citizens.

This country must not fear the influence of faith in the future of this country. We must welcome faith in order to make America a better place.


So, Reverend Brown, thank you and thank your wife Mary and your son Benji for your hospitality.

I appreciate so very much the governor being here.


The governor not only was kind enough to meet me at the airport, but she was kind enough to ride from the airport to this church. We had a good discussion about the needs of Louisiana. She's not a shrinking violet when it comes to describing what she would like to see in terms of responsiveness. I appreciate that.

I'm glad you brought Coach.



I'm honored that Congressman David Vitter has traveled today with me.

Thank you, Congressman, for coming. (APPLAUSE)

The mayor was at our roundtable discussion, which by the way happened to be at a square table, but...


... I appreciate working with the mayor.

Traveling with me today from Washington, D.C., is a long-time friend. He is the acting secretary of the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

Alphonso Jackson.


Thanks for coming, Alphonso. I appreciate you being here.

Archbishop Alfred Hughes is with us today.

Archbishop, thanks for coming. I'm honored you're here.


I know this will embarrass him, but I've got to mention him. One of the people that influenced me a lot when I was the governor of Texas, influenced me in terms of what faith-based programs can mean in people's lives, was Kirbyjon Caldwell.

Kirbyjon's from Houston. He's the senior pastor of the Windsor Village United Methodist Church. He is a true social entrepreneur. He has used his position as a pastor to change lives and communities in significant ways, ways that government couldn't possibly do.

Kirbyjon, thanks for coming. I appreciate your being here.


I mentioned a roundtable discussion. We just had a lot of people from the community -- people that have been helped, people who are helping, neighborhood healers -- here to share their stories. I want to thank all of them for coming to talk about the influence of faith and their capacity to help change lives.

Appreciate the choir being here.


Not only was I met by local dignitaries and elected officials when I landed at the airport, I was also met by Tonisha Stephens (ph).


Where is Tonisha (ph)? Where's Tonisha (ph)?

Tonisha (ph), there you are.



Wondering why I would mention Tonisha (ph)? She is a soldier in the army of compassion.

She's a soul who is interested in listening to a universal call and is a tutor.

She's taken time out of her life to work in the after-school programs right here in this church, Pastor.

She is a mentor. She's willing to help save a life.

That's the spirit of America, isn't it, when citizens who are willing to sacrifice time on behalf of saving a life? We need more mentors in our society.

If you're a citizen in this community or any community around the country who want to know what you can do to help America, mentor a child, teach a child to read, love a child.

Tonisha (ph), I want to thank you for serving as such a good example for other people around the country. Thank you for being a soldier in the great army of compassion here in America.


Many of the problems that are facing our society are problems of the heart. Addiction is the problem of the heart.

I know I've told this story before. I was a drinker. I quit drinking because I changed my heart. I guess I was a one-man faith- based program.


Problems that face our society are oftentimes problems that, you know, require something greater than just a government program or a government counselor to solve. Intractable problems, problems that seem impossible to solve, can be solved.

There is the miracle of salvation that is real, that is tangible, that is available for all to see.

Miracles are possible in our society, one person at a time, but it requires a willingness to understand the origin of miracle. Miracles happen as a result of the love of the Almighty -- professed, by the way, taught, by the way, by religion from all walks of life, whether it be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu; people who've heard that universal call to love a neighbor just like you'd like to be loved yourself, and then surround someone who hurts with love.

Love is powerful. Love is soul-changing. Love doesn't happen because of government. Love happens because of the inspiration is something greater than government.

And that's what we're here to talk about: programs based on faith.

Right here in this church there are faith-based programs. Any program emanating out of a church or a synagogue or a mosque is a faith-based program. So when you hear some people talk about faith- based programs, those are programs that start as a result of a group of folks of faith deciding to do something about a problem.

And the fundamental question in our society is, how does the federal government relate to programs of faith? The mighty check- writer, how does it relate when it writes checks to meet social needs with people who are solving our problems in spite of government?

My attitude is, the government should not fear faith-based programs. We ought to welcome faith-based program and we ought to fund faith-based programs.


This church receives federal funding for child care. Must be comforting for a mom or a dad to drop off his or her child to a child care center run by a church. It's a safe place to begin with, but it's also a place where there's values.

The handbook of this particular child care is a universal handbook. It's been around for a long time. It doesn't need to be invented. It's a -- let me see your handbook there. This handbook is a good go-by.


And yet our governments have, frankly, discriminated against faith-based programs. That's the truth. How does it happen that way?

Well, oftentimes faith-based program that applies for federal government says, "I want to help." And they say, "Fine, you can help, but take the cross down from the wall, take off the Star of David, take down the crescent."

And my answer to that is, "How can you be a faith-based program if you can't practice your faith?" It seems to be a contradiction in terms. Government policy said on the one hand, "Perhaps you can help"; on the other hand, "You can't practice your faith."

Faith-based programs are only effective because they do practice faith. It's important for our government to understand that.

Government oftentimes will say, "Yeah, you can participate but you've got to change your board of directors to meet our qualifications. You got to conform to our rules."

The problem is faith-based programs only conform to one set of rules, and it's bigger than government rules.


The inspiration is not from bureaucracy, and that's what's important for government policy-makers to understand.

I have asked Congress to not fear faith. See, the debate in Washington oftentimes is will the church will become the state or the state will become the church. To me, that's never going to happen and we won't let it happen.

As a matter of fact, the separation of church and state is a vital part of our country. The freedom of religion is a vital part of our country.

But on the other hand, when people are able to deliver results, people shouldn't say, "Well, the results are coming from the wrong source of programming." We ought to say, "We want results, we welcome results and we're willing to fund programs that are capable of delivering results. We want to fund programs that save Americans one soul at a time."


In order to get beyond the debate of process, we must say -- we must ask the question in Washington, "Does the program work? Does the program to help the addicted work? Is the homeless program working?" That's the question that must be asked.

So I called on Congress to join me in passing laws that would allow the -- open up the federal treasury to faith-based programs, and they balked. They got caught up in the process.

So I signed an executive order, an executive order that instructed all federal agencies not to discriminate against religious groups.

Cabinet secretary -- soon-to-be Cabinet Secretary Jackson now knows the call -- one reason he's the Cabinet secretary is because he already heard it, however -- and that is that we're not going to discriminate against faith-based groups when it comes to housing initiatives.


We're spending a lot of time traveling the country. I've got a fellow that works in my office by the name of Jim Towey. Towey's an interesting character. He is a -- well, I shouldn't call him a character; he's a fine citizen.


He really -- believe it or not, Towey -- you're not going to believe this, but it's true -- he was Mother Teresa's lawyer.


It's an interesting society where Mother Teresa needs a lawyer. (LAUGHTER)

But Towey's job is to educate people to what is possible -- educate the social entrepreneurs, those who are on the front line of savings lives about what is possible, and to assure people who try to assess federal funds that, "You won't have to change your mission."

In other words, we're changing the culture. And it takes a lot of work.

And I appreciate you all giving me a chance to come and be a part of explaining what is taking place in Washington, D.C.

Cultures change because others will then go out and say, "It's OK to try to assess money to meet our need. You know, the government now is not going to thwart you."

It's going to take a while to make sure that these faith-based offices which we've created in every Cabinet department -- or most of the Cabinet departments in Washington are able to get out the word. But we want you to help spread the word.

We want those of you on the front line of saving lives to feel comfortable now of assessing the billions of dollars which are available at the federal government level.

But we said is, "The playing field is now level. You've got a chance to bid right along with other types of organizations to be a part of the grant-making process without fear of discrimination."

It's a significant change. I'm comfortable in pushing the change because I know the nature of the work that is taking place.

Let me give you one example. Three months after HUD opened its doors to faith-based groups, 600 such groups have received $168 million to provide shelter for the homeless. In other words, we're beginning to change.

I love the idea of religious organizations providing help for the homeless. What a comforting place for someone who is lost and looking for help to be able to provide that help.

It's just the beginning, Mr. Secretary-To-Be.

And it's just the beginning of a lot of change. Health and Human Services Department -- HHS is now opening up its grant-making process for faith-based programs. There's billions of dollars now available and that's good for the society and it's good for our country.

Let me give you an example of some progress being made: Donna Blackburn.

Raise your hand, Donna.

Donna's -- she's a good soul. She started a shelter for battered women and their children in Baton Rouge. First of all, thank you for starting a shelter. It's a noble calling.

It's important for people like Donna to know there's a problem and respond to it.

Donna didn't wait for a law to be passed, by the way. She didn't get permission from the president. She didn't say to the governor, "Can I do this?" She just did it.

That's what happens in America: People see a problem and they move. And then the fundamental question is when you find that spirit moving, what is the role of government?

She wanted to make the shelter, of course, a safe haven, but she also wanted to make a place where God's grace shines. She wanted the presence of the Almighty there to help her and her staff deal with the problems -- the difficult problems that a battered woman and her children face.

The problem was -- and she applied for federal money -- housing money to take this donated warehouse and convert it into a house of love.

The local government said, "Yeah, you can probably have some money, but you can't have prayer. You can't express faith."

Donna understands that the use of federal money is not to proselytize; all comers are welcome. If a person of another faith walks in as a battered woman, she will be received.

But Donna also understands that in order to make her program work that they've got to be able to exercise their faith.

We moved at the federal level to say: "No discrimination against faith-based programs." Last night, she reported to us that the Baton Rouge City Council approved her faith-based grant, no strings attached, and now she's got $60,000 to help convert her shelter...


Somebody said, "Well, thank you for the federal government." See, you got it wrong. You don't need to be thanking the federal government. We're talking about the people's money anyway.


The federal government's job is to thank the Donnas of the world, the social people -- the social entrepreneurs, the people who are literally changing America one heart at a time. That's what we're here to thank. And that's what our society must recognize and welcome.


Nicole Hilliard is here. Where are you, Nicole? There you go. OK.

I embarrassed her.

Nicole is a single mom.

By the way, that's the toughest job in America, being a single mom.

She's got a 15-year-old son. She was hurting. I shouldn't be giving her testimony for her, but I will paraphrase. She hurt. And she was worried, just like a mom would worry.

She didn't have any housing. She was broke, stone broke, and she was worried as a mother, "How do I take care of my child?"

So she went to the First Evangelist Housing -- went to the First Evangelist Church -- this says, "went to the First Evangelist Housing CDC." That's a little too technical. She went to the church is where she went.

She said, "I hope to be able to get some help at this church."

Her pastor's here -- Pastor Taylor is with us as well.

She said, "I want some help." She was trying to escape not only an abusive relationship, she was trying to escape desperation and hopelessness.

Nothing better, by the way, than a faith-based program to provide hope. Again, I don't care what religion it is, nothing more hopeful than the word.

She and her son moved into a one-bedroom apartment managed by First Evangelist. That apartment was supported by federal money. Alphonso shouldn't worry about where that money goes, he just ought to be worried about whether or not that money is saving lives and providing a chance for people to find shelter.

By the way, as a result of interfacing with this faith-based group, she went back to school. She found a job. She lives in a neighborhood, by the way, which has been transformed by the faith- based institution itself. She's talked about what it means to walk from the bus stop without fear of life.

It's amazing what can happen when faith-based programs begin to influence entire neighborhoods. People change. The attitude of the people in the neighborhood change.

Nicole's story is one that shows that individual lives are rescued on a daily basis. Our job is to help the rescuers find those who need to be saved and helped.

Tonya Miles (ph) is here. I got to know Tonya (ph) because, in my State of the Union last year, I introduced her to the country. And she's still talking to me, fortunately. She's from Baton Rouge. She directs what's called Set Free. Indeed. It's an interesting name, isn't it?

Set Free talks about the inspiration of the program.

She receives money -- federal money to help save lives. Addiction -- addicts need to be treated. They need to be helped. A small number of people consume most of the drugs. We need to find them and help save their lives. Sometimes a government counselor can work. It can make a difference. A lot of times, it requires a faith- based program to help break that terrible habit.

And Tonya (ph) understood that. She started this program. She said she heard a call from God to start the program. It wasn't a government bureaucracy that she talked to, it was a call from a higher being. As a result, that program is inculcated with that spirit and she's saving lives one at a time.

Interestingly enough, by heralding here program, a lot of other people came.

I want you to herald programs. When you find something that's working in your local community, make sure that the citizenry knows what's happening. This is not me, this is not the governor, it's not just the mayor, it's local community leaders willing to hold up examples of great success, of great healing.

People need to know what's available. People need to know that there's love and the capacity to help save lives in their very neighborhood.

You're here because you're interested. You're leaders yourselves. Please make your programs and what is available known.

The government can help. I mean, we're calling for special initiatives: $100 million for drug treatment, $48 million for the Compassion Capital Fund, which is really to help start up faith-based programs. Like Kirbyjon -- I told Kirbyjon, I said, "Kirbyjon, you're successful. Help another church learn how to be successful. Reach out, use your entrepreneurial skills and find another church to help that pastor understand what is available."

That's what the Compassion Capital Fund does.

We got $50 million, by the way, in the budget that supports mentors for children whose moms or dad might be in prison or are in prison.

See the money, it's important, and we're funding out of Washington and funding out of the state level, but more important is where does the money go? And that's what we're here to talk about.

Congress must not fear faith-based programs that interface and save lives. They must welcome such programs.

(APPLAUSE) That's what I'm here to talk about, Pastor, good public policy based upon the willingness of our citizenry to love a neighbor just you'd like to be loved yourself.

One of my favorite pulpit stories came when the preacher was preaching. The guy -- right where Congressman is sitting -- he stood up and he said, "Use me, Lord. Use me."

The man was about halfway through the sermon. Kind of, ignored him; maybe that's happened to you before and you, kind of, ignore whoever's standing up yelling.

Next Sunday, halfway through the sermon, same fellow pops up and says, "Use me, Lord. Use me."

Third Sunday, same thing happens, so the pastor comes down. He says, "Fine, you said, 'Use me, Lord. Use me.'" He said, "I'll be glad to use you. Why don't you paint and scrape all the pews?"

Next Sunday, the guy stands up and says, "Use me, Lord. Use me, but only in an advisory capacity."


No, no, the people here are not advisers, they're doers. People in faith-based programs all around the country just don't sit around and say, "Here's some advice." They say, "What can I do to answer a call? How can I help change my community and thereby change my country?" And that's what you're doing.

Our government must understand America is a hopeful and optimistic place, particularly when we apply the great strength of our country, which is the love of our citizens, to changing America one heart, one soul, one conscience at a time.

May God bless your work. And may God continue to bless America.

Thank you for coming.


WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: The president of the United States clearly speaking from his heart in New Orleans at a predominantly African-American church, the Union Bethel AME church in New Orleans, speaking about an issue very close to his heart -- faith-based initiatives.

The president at one point getting very personal, saying -- and I'm quoting now -- "I was a drinker, but I quit drinking."

He then went on to say, I guess you could say I was one-man faith-based initiative.



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