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NANCY GRACE for November 2, 2005, CNNHN

Aired November 2, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight, breaking news, prison break from a maximum security facility out of South Carolina. Over 24 hours now of an intense manhunt already. Tonight, just released to the public. Two violent inmates escape from a Columbia, South Carolina, prison, one a convicted killer behind bars for life, no chance for parole, the other a convicted kidnaper, also serving a life sentence. The two last seen on the southern tip of the state.
And tonight, new developments in the case of missing 26-year-old Sueann Ray.

Good evening, everybody. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us tonight. Where is 26-year-old Sueann Ray? The Woodside (ph), Georgia, woman disappeared 10 long weeks ago. Tonight, still no official suspect named in the case. Sueann Ray last seen at her estranged husband`s home. And tonight, police still insist he is not a suspect.

Also tonight, breaking news. Police now desperate, actually searching door to door. Two violent inmates escaped from a maximum security prison facility, Columbia, South Carolina. How did they pull it off? They went out with the trash, hiding in a dumpster and escaping in a garbage truck. Convicted killer 35-year-old Jimmy Causey, convicted kidnapper 39-year-old John Brewer, serving life sentences, one without possibility of parole. Last seen 120 miles south of Columbia.

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ROBERT STEWART, STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT DIVISION: We don`t know that they`re armed, although that`s possible, but they`re extremely dangerous. We need all the help we can get from the public, if they spot these individuals, to call 911 immediately.

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GRACE: As I said earlier, tonight police desperate now searching door to door for two escaped inmates. Let`s go straight out to WCSC reporter Mandy Gaither. What`s the latest, Mandy?

MANDY GAITHER, WCSC-TV: Well, Nancy, I just got off the phone with the Ridgeland Police Department, and as you said, they have been going door to door to all the homes in this area since about dinnertime tonight. And they have said, so far, they have come up empty-handed. They have not found anyone that has seen Mr. Brewer or Mr. Causey.

The last sighting here was last night, and they were spotted at an Eckerd (ph) drugstore. And we`re also told by police that the pair apparently stayed behind me at the Carolina Lodge motel. It`s a motel that`s right off of I-95 and close to the Carolina/Georgia border.

And pretty much, police are desperate, just as you said. They told me, quote, they`re looking at this point "in any place a person can hide" because these people are considered armed and dangerous. Now, we just went out to dinner here and met with some of the people in this town, and everybody is on high alert. Everybody has a lot of nervousness running through them. Everybody just wants to know where these guys are and to know if they`re going to be safe just going out to their cars in this small town.

So that`s what it`s pretty much feeling like here in the Ridgeland area of Jasper County. We`re about 20 miles from that Georgia/South Carolina line. And again, authorities are still searching for those two men.

GRACE: Yes, big relief for the citizens of Georgia tonight. Mandy, why is this just being released today? It`s my understanding the manhunt has been on for 24 hours. These guys have been at an Eckerd. They`ve been at a motel. Why wasn`t the public alerted?

GAITHER: Well, I actually asked that question to a couple of different authorities here, and they told me that, basically, they didn`t want to release any information that could impede their investigation. They didn`t want these guys to know that they knew where they`ve been. And it just so happened that we happened upon the fact that they were staying here at this motel behind me, when we actually showed up and got pictures of the SLED (ph) agents coming out with boxes and bags of what apparently they found inside. We`ve been told that while they did not find the two men, they did find some personal items and some clothing in and around the motel area. So they`re pretty sure the two men have been in this area. What they`re not sure of is if they still are here.

One police officer told me that they don`t have any transportation out of this area. But another one said, Hey, how do we know that these guys haven`t hopped in a car with somebody else and already taken off down the state line? So at this point, everybody`s just wondering where these guys are.

GRACE: Here is what police had to say.

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LT. CHRIS COWAN, RICHLAND COUNTY SHERIFF`S DEPT.: We need to get them picked up off the street. They`re very dangerous to the community. We need to get them back into the Department of Corrections. We`re working, communicating, trying to gather as much information as we possibly can, work with the community, try to see if anybody identifies them, sees them and give us the information we need to get them picked up.

ROY HUGHES, CHIEF DEPUTY, JASPER COUNTY SHERIFF`S DEPT.: It`s always unexpected, as far as what they may do is to try to get a vehicle or to get a ride out of the area. But it`s a possibility they`re still here. We can`t rule out anything, at this point.

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GRACE: Let`s go straight out to bounty hunter Stan Baldwin (ph). He is being contracted to help find these escapees. Mr. Baldwin, thank you for being with us. Why is it that this was kept a secret for 24 hours?

STAN BALDWIN, BOUNTY HUNTER: I`m not aware of that, Nancy.

GRACE: OK, let`s go straight to Angeline Hartman (ph), reporter with "America`s Most Wanted." I find this very disturbing, that two inmates, one convicted for killing, life without parole, one for kidnapping, have been on the loose now going on two days, and we`re just finding out about it. They`ve been all over the place in public -- an Eckerd. They had to check out. They`re probably on a security video, if they didn`t tape over it. They`ve been at a local motel. And it`s just being made public now. Elizabeth, please, keep showing those photos. Go ahead, Miss Hartman.

ANGELINE HARTMAN, "AMERICA`S MOST WANTED": Nancy, the word is out now, definitely. Obviously, these two men are considered dangerous. They have a violent history. They`ve been convicted of their crimes. They`ve both been sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole, each 999 years. And investigators say these two men have nothing to lose.

One, the latest is, investigators believe that one man may have a handgun. They have a head start. The public is at risk every hour that goes by. That is why everybody needs to be alert. They need to pay attention. If they haven`t seen the photos that are being aired right now, they want to get a closer look, they need to go to amw.com. Obviously, we have our Web site up. We have 1-800-CRIMETV people can call. They can call your show. And the key to getting these people off the streets now is for everybody to be alert.

GRACE: You know, I want to go back to Mandy Gaither with WCSC. Mandy, what -- tell me about the original crimes for which both of them had life behind bars.

GAITHER: Well, they both happened in the Columbia area of South Carolina, which is our capital here. And one man, I`ve been told, strangled his sister-in-law, set that house on fire. That was Johnny Brewer. And then I`m also told Jimmy Causey was involved in a very violent home invasion involving a prominent attorney in the Columbia area. So very violent crimes here.

GRACE: Speaking of that prominent attorney, who is no stranger to our show -- He is a veteran trial lawyer held hostage by now escaping Jimmy Causey. He is with us by phone, Jack Swerling. Jack, thanks for being with us again.

JACK SWERLING, HELD HOSTAGE BY JIMMY CAUSEY: Good evening. How are you, Nancy?

GRACE: Well, Jack, I`m a little distressed because these peeps (ph) are headed straight to Georgia, where my family is, and these guys have a very violent history. And in fact, Jimmy Causey -- Jim Causey held you hostage. What happened?

SWERLING: Well, about three years ago, he and another accomplice came into my house while we were having dinner and held us up at gunpoint and tied my wife and my daughter and I up, bound our hands with duct tape while we were on the floor and basically ransacked the house, looking for money.

GRACE: Jack, did you think at that time he would kill you?

SWERLING: I`m having a little trouble hearing you. I`m sorry.

GRACE: Did you think at that time, while you were laying duct-taped on the dining room floor, that he would kill you?

SWERLING: It was on my mind every second, not only killing me, more importantly, my wife and my daughter.

GRACE: How old was your daughter at that time?

SWERLING: Twenty-four at that time.

GRACE: So they ransacked the house. What did they take?

SWERLING: Well, I mean, strangely enough, they didn`t -- wound up taking just a mobile phone. They were looking for money. They made us open our safe, which I had no problem doing. They were not interested in any jewelry. We had jewelry here, watches. They were strictly looking for cash. They had apparently heard I had a stash here, which I did not. But they didn`t wind up taking anything except a mobile phone and a couple bucks from my daughter`s pocketbook.

GRACE: So they did all that, Jack Swerling, for a cell phone and a couple of bucks?

GAITHER: Well, that was the end result. But I think they thought the payload was, you know, quite a bit more. But it was -- you know, he wound up getting a life sentence for that.

GRACE: Well, Jack, what can you tell me about Jim Causey`s criminal history?

SWERLING: Well, I mean, I represented him at an early age back in the mid-`80s for a burglary and then again in the late `80s, early `90s, for a burglary. And all of those were non-confrontational kind of situations, where, you know, he`d enter a house and burglarize. He wasn`t looking for a confrontation. The problem became that in the late `90s, early 2000, when he came into my house -- you know, a home invasion is a lot more dangerous. People are expecting to confront someone. And so he came in here with a pistol. He was drugged up, and you know, it easily could have turned into a violent crime.

GRACE: You know, Jack, what you`re saying is very distressing.

Everyone, with me by phone, a very well-known defense attorney out of South Carolina -- he`s been on our show before, commenting as an expert -- Jack Swerling, actually held at gunpoint, duct-taped and put on the dining room floor with his wife and girl by Jim Causey, now an escapee from behind bars.

Jack, what was your reaction when you hear this guy is out on the loose?

SWERLING: Well, I was actually picking a jury in another case yesterday when they came in the courtroom and notified me. And I mean, I really was shocked because he was the one person I`ve represented in 32 years that, you know, I had a great fear of because of what had he already done. And so it was a real shock. My immediate reaction was my family. And we -- you know, law enforcement has been great because they`ve been providing, you know, protection. But I`m most distressed about the Department of Corrections because it took over -- it took over two hours for them to even notify law enforcement. And law enforcement notified me right away.

GRACE: I think it was two hours, Jack, before they even realized they were gone. And I don`t understand what a convicted killer, life without parole, and a convicted kidnapper, your assailant, are even doing in a position where they can get near a truck. They were taken out with the trash, where they belong. Now they are free. We don`t know which way they are going.

Back to Jack Swerling, defense attorney -- you know him well, he`s been on our show many times -- actually held hostage by one of these can guys, Jim Causey. Jack, why was it kept a secret by authorities? It`s just getting out onto the airwaves now. These two have already made one stop at an Eckerd. They stayed at a local motel. The people they talked to probably had no idea they were talking to a killer and a kidnapper.

SWERLING: Well, I can tell you that -- I don`t know why there was a delay from the Department of Corrections notifying law enforcement, but I do know that as of 11:00 o`clock yesterday morning, our South Carolina Law Enforcement Division -- in fact, you just had Chief Stewart on -- and the Ridgeland County sheriff`s department, Sheriff Lott (ph) -- they went public with it at 11:00 o`clock yesterday. But...

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GRACE: OK, that`s not as bad as I thought.

SWERLING: ... the Department of Corrections to them.

GRACE: Yes. That`s not as bad as I thought. Apparently, these guys by that time had already been on the loose for five hours. And Jack...

SWERLING: That`s correct. You`re correct about that.

GRACE: Before you get away -- Jack, Swerling actually held hostage by one of these guys in a home invasion -- that`s some payback. After you do him right two times in court on two burglaries, here he come through the front door with duct tape in one hand and a gun in the other.

SWERLING: Yes. It was -- needless to say, it was a great shock and not a very good response to what I thought I had done for him in the past. In fact, his grandfather, who I knew well, when he was sentenced, turned -- he apologized to me in the courtroom for his grandson. So it`s -- it was a big lesson.

GRACE: Well, I want to find out now -- and I want to go straight back to Angeline Hartman with "America`s Most Wanted." What were the actual conditions of their escape? And Elizabeth, if you`d keep showing the photos of these two? Everybody, we`ve got a tip line, toll-free, 888-559- TIPS. There is a reward tonight.

Go ahead, Angeline.

HARTMAN: Nancy, the way we understand it is that at 7:0 AM yesterday, there was an informal count of the inmates, and that count showed...

GRACE: How can there be...

HARTMAN: ... that everybody was...

GRACE: Wait! Wait right there. Right there! How can there be an informal count of killers, rapists, kidnappers? What`s informal about that?

HARTMAN: The way that it was explained to us is that the South Carolina Department of Corrections, when they say informal, they do the count, the number count, not necessarily matching the names and faces with the numbers, but just the number. So the number matches up, and they move about the day.

About an hour-and-a-half later, we understand that there was a call from the local law enforcement, saying, Hey, we`re getting anonymous calls saying that Jimmy Causey is, you know, down the road here. Can you guys check that out? So then the Department of Corrections -- of course, it takes them a while to get together. They do their formal count now, matching the names and faces along with the number, and they realize, OK, we don`t see Causey, and there is another person missing.

This takes a while. You have to understand there are 1,600 inmates here, and people are moving about. They`re having lunch. They`re doing their thing. And so it takes a while. About 10:30, 11:00 o`clock is when they finally realized.

GRACE: Holy moly~! Apparently, these two were entrusted around 6:00 AM to clean up after other inmates following breakfast, and they make out, straight out from behind prison walls in the trash truck. No idea where they are tonight. They`ve already got well over 24 hours on police. In a few moments, we`re going to speak to a bounty hunter contracted to help find these two escapees.

Very quickly, to tonight`s "Case Alert." Please help us. Forty-year- old Leslie Marva Adams of Wheelburn (ph), Georgia, missing now nine days. Five days before she disappeared, she asked a judge for a restraining order against her boyfriend, Bill Cook (ph). Now, Cook had already served 13 years behind bars on drugs and weapons. Police still not calling him a suspect. If you have info on this beautiful girl, please call Burnett (ph) County police, 770-513-5356.

Also on the docket, the Robert Blake civil trial ends today with Blake telling lawyers during cross to shut up and sit down. That always makes a good impression on the jury. Blake took the stand again for the eighth -- oh, eighth! -- time, told the jury not only did he not kill his wife, Bonny Lee Bakley, but he`s not financially responsible for her murder. Closing arguments scheduled Thursday. Blake acquitted at criminal trial for his wife`s murder in March.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A Lexington County jury convicted Johnny Brewer of strangling his sister-in-law in her kitchen. He then set her body and her bedroom on fire. Brewer, a high school drop-out, represented himself at his 1999 trial. Prosecutors asked for the death penalty. The jury decided instead to give Brewer a life sentence.

A Richmond County jury convicted Jimmy Causey of armed burglary, robbery and kidnapping last year. Prosecutors said Causey and co-defendant Dewayne Wilson (ph) broke into the home of prominent Columbia attorney Jack Swerling. They taped up Swerling, his wife and daughter, held them at gunpoint and robbed them. It took the jury only 30 minutes to convict Causey. A judge sentenced him to life in prison.

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GRACE: Welcome back. Tonight, two escapees from a South Carolina correctional institution, the Broad River Correctional Institution, on the run. According to my calculations, they`ve been gone about 38 hours.

Mandy Gaither -- Mandy is with us from WCSC -- that`s 38 times 60 miles an hour, that`s 2,280 miles. Elizabeth, let`s see that map. These two can now be anywhere. Mandy, what can you tell me, as we`re taking a look at the map, about the conditions of their escape?

GAITHER: Well, Nancy, we`ve been told that, usually, the trash truck leaves the jail around 6:00 AM. And it`s policy for them to actually compact the trash in the truck before they leave, but apparently, that didn`t happen this particular morning. And all we know at this point is that investigators are looking into why that didn`t happen.

GRACE: You`re taking a look at two escapees tonight, last known to be in a local motel. Mandy, what`s your location at that motel?

GAITHER: Well, right now, we are outside in front of the motel. And I actually got to go and look inside the room. I didn`t go inside, but I got to see inside the room, room 134 here at the Carolina Lodge.

And it`s pretty interesting. This town`s very, very small, so there`s a lot of small businesses around here. And I just wanted to show you some of the things that we`re seeing around here. These are two wanted posters of both Brewer and Causey, and they`re up everywhere. Everywhere I`ve been today, on every door, these posters are up. And investigators want everybody to see these because if maybe they can get the word out there, get their pictures out there, maybe they can find these guys and catch them.

As we said earlier, they`ve been going door to door to people`s homes, showing them these pictures, trying to find out if anybody has seen these men. So far, that has not panned out. They`ve come up empty-handed. But I talked to a police officer earlier, and he told me, quote, right now, they`re looking "any place a person can hide" to try to find these guys.

GRACE: Very quickly, to Stan Baldwin. He`s a bounty hunter contracted to find the two escapees. Do we know anything, Stan, about their last known vehicle?

BALDWIN: Yes, ma`am. They were last driving in an Oldsmobile Alero.

GRACE: Oldsmobile Alero. Color?

BALDWIN: Gold in color.

GRACE: Gold in color. Now, what do you plan to do to help the government find these two?

BALDWIN: Yes, Nancy. I haven`t actually been contracted by the government. What I`m doing is, I live in Columbia, too, and I`m trying to give back to the community. I don`t -- you know, I don`t want these menaces on the street any more than anybody else.

GRACE: What are you doing?

BALDWIN: Any information that I can find or get from people that talk to me versus the local law enforcement, I provide it to South Carolina Law Enforcement Division.

GRACE: What`s your expertise?

BALDWIN: I`m a bounty hunter. I track fugitives down for a living.

GRACE: How long have you been doing that?

BALDWIN: About 13 years

GRACE: Stan, do you think they`re laying low, or do you think they`re going as fast and as far as they can?

BALDWIN: My guess would be laying low. You know, some of these guys are even trained to sit in the woods for a while. They`re from the country.

GRACE: Well, I got to tell you something, Stan. Very often -- of course, every police department has a fugitive squad. Very often, you will find escapees right there in their old neighborhood. It`s like they can`t think up anything new to do. They`re like homing pigeons. They go straight back home.

Elizabeth, as we go to break, please show me the photos of Jim Causey, his partner in crime, now escaped from Broad River Correctional Institute - - 888-559-TIPS.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When he called, he was telling me, you know, that the school was on lockdown, and he was saying that they had two escaped prisoners in the area.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everybody was talking, and some people was nervous and scared and calling their parents to come pick them up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Actually, I got a little nervous.

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GRACE: Tonight, two escapees from the Broad River Correctional Institute, maximum security out of South Carolina. I want to go straight to WCSC reporter Mandy Gaither. Has the car been found?

GAITHER: It absolutely has, Nancy. It was found in Orangeburg (ph) County, which is actually in South Carolina. SLED agents recovered the four-door champagne-colored Oldsmobile. And -- but they have charged two people, two people with helping these men after they`ve escaped. They charged a Kate Tilly (ph) and a Steven Goodwin (ph) with assisting the men. So that`s the interesting part about this is that there have been people that are helping these men.

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SOPHIA CHOI, CNN HEADLINE NEWS ANCHOR: Hello, I`m Sophia Choi. And here`s your "Headline Prime Newsbreak."

Well, experts are warning that repairs to New Orleans` levees might not be enough to hold back floodwaters should the city get hit with another storm. Engineers told a Senate panel that the initial rebuilding process was done with little or no engineering guidance.

To New York now, where Radio City Music Hall musicians went on strike today and the famed Rockettes walked out in support. Their Christmas spectacular was set to open tomorrow.

And in California, man`s best friend takes loyalty to a higher level. That`s after an SUV plunged down a ravine, pinning the driver inside. The victim was able to free his cocker spaniel who high tailed it right over to a nearby house and summoned for help. The man had just adopted the dog from a shelter two weeks ago.

And that`s the news for now. I`m Sophia Choi. Now back to NANCY GRACE.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you guys believe they`re still in this area?

ROY HUGHES, CHIEF DEPUTY, JASPER COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE: It`s a possibility. You can`t rule out anything at this point.

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GRACE: Welcome back.

Two inmates escaped, violent inmates escaped from a Columbia, South Carolina, prison. Thank you for being with us.

A manhunt has been on now for over 24 hours. Elizabeth, if you could show the two escapees.

There`s now a U.S. reward on both of these.

Let me go straight back out to Mandy Gaither. Mandy, if they went missing at 6:05, are you telling me the jail, the prison, did not know they were missing until they got an anonymous tip three hours later?

GAITHER: That`s what we`ve been told, Nancy, that somebody called in saying that, you know, they spotted one of the guys, Causey, and then they did a count and realized that it was true, that two people were missing. And that`s how this whole thing started.

And we`ve been hearing that there`s been sightings in a couple of places. And here in Ridgeland, they`ve seem them at an Eckerd Drugstore. They`ve also apparently have been staying here at the Carolina Lodge Motel that you see behind me. It`s right off of I-95, close to the South Carolina-Georgia line.

So who knows at this point where these guys are? But that is something that the police department and the sheriff`s office for Jasper County are looking into tonight. They`re not sleeping.

They`re going door to door, something I`ve never heard of, going door to door, trying to make sure that these guys haven`t broken into some home and tried to, you know, take someone hostage, or making sure that nobody has actually seen these guys.

They`re showing their pictures everywhere. Every single place, every single business, restaurant, convenience store, everywhere we`ve been tonight, we have seen two posters up there, two wanted posters, one of Brewer, one of Causey. And they`re just trying to get their picture out there to as many people as they can in the hopes that they can catch these guys.

GRACE: Here`s what police had to say.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We need to get them picked up off the street. It`s very dangerous to the community. We need to get them back in the Department of Corrections.

We`re working, communicating, trying to gather as much information as we possibly can, work with the community, try to see if anybody identifies them, sees them, and get us the information we need to get them picked up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was always unexpected, as far as what they may do, as try to get a vehicle or get a ride out of the area. But it`s a possibility they`re still here. But we can`t rule out anything at this point.

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GRACE: Straight back out to Mandy Gaither. What role did Steven Goodwin and Kate Tilley play in helping these two escape and where are they tonight?

GAITHER: Well, tonight, from what I understand, they`re behind bars. They`ve been charged with, you know, aiding to these men, helping them get to one place from another. They`re also charged with lying to police.

So, at this point, we`ve just been told that these people have apparently found friends or found someone that they`ve known. And then those people have actually, you know, helped them get to wherever it is that they`ve been.

Also tonight, we`ve learned that the two men didn`t actually check into this motel. They had another woman check in for them. That woman is named Katie Bostic.

We talked to the clerk here. He said that she didn`t seem nervous or anything like that.

Since the two men were found -- or two men -- the room was found where the two men were staying, that woman has been taken in for questioning. I tried to get some information from our state law enforcement on whether she`s a victim or an accomplice. And at this point, they`re not saying anything.

But a representative from the sheriff`s office here in Jasper County did tell me that he believes that she is an accomplice, as well. So that`s three people who apparently have been accomplices since these two men escaped from jail.

GRACE: Is it Ashley Bostic or Katie Bostic?

GAITHER: I believe it`s Katie Bostic.

GRACE: OK, so she`s not behind bars tonight, correct?

GAITHER: At this point, all we`ve been able to find out is that they`ve taken her in for questioning. And I believe it`s Ashley Bostic.

GRACE: OK.

I`m going to go to Angeline Hartman, reporter with "America`s Most Wanted." Angeline, we know that Causey held defense attorney Jack Swerling and his whole family at gunpoint, hostage in their own home. What can you tell me about John Brewer`s record? I know he`s doing life without parole.

HARTMAN: We understand, yes, he`s doing life without parole. He has a -- both of these men, obviously, have a violent history.

I do want to mention, Nancy, because you did bring it up earlier, Steven Goodwin and Kate Tilley, we believe they are now out on bond. Ashley Bostic, we understand, she is cooperating with investigators.

And, again, she -- investigators are not sure, as your reporter there mentioned -- they`re not sure if she was an accomplice at this point or she was kidnapped and forced to do all of this.

GRACE: Now, exactly what she did...

HARTMAN: But the latest information that we have...

GRACE: Hold on. Let me go back to Ashley Bostic. Is she the one that went into the motel and checked them in?

HARTMAN: That`s what we understand at this point.

GRACE: And she never wrote a note, nothing?

HARTMAN: Apparently, she just told investigators that she was forced to do all of this and now she is cooperating with them and answering all of their questions.

GRACE: OK, now back to the record on Brewer.

HARTMAN: As far as Brewer is concerned, 39-year-old Brewer, again, this was a very violent crime. We understand he strangled his sister-in- law and then set her on fire. And, as you saw earlier, he was with his own defense attorney, was very bold about that and thought that he could...

GRACE: Oh, yes. Hold on. Hold on, dear.

Here`s a shot of Brewer prancing in front of the jury rail. I tell you what: He should be disbarred. Uh-oh, he never was in the bar. Now, that`s a pretty cocky little walk he -- there you go. Thanks, Elizabeth.

Hey, guys, if you see this guy, he`s not going to be wearing a suit. He`ll be wearing prison blues, unless all of his friends have bought him street clothes and he`s running around in street clothes by now, Angeline.

HARTMAN: The way we understand it is that he strangled his sister-in- law in her kitchen.

GRACE: Oh, good lord.

HARTMAN: And then, prosecutors believe, he did it to get some money to buy some drugs. And then he set her body and her bedroom on fire. Again, that was a 1999 trial. And that`s apparently where he defended himself. And he said he did this all during an argument, Nancy.

GRACE: To psychotherapist Caryn Stark, it just seems to be getting worse. You know, the more I hear about these two, the nature of their crimes, violent crimes on other people -- not like they went to a home, grabbed some jewelry, grabbed the silver, and took off.

They didn`t shoplift. They didn`t steal a car. They held their own lawyer down at gunpoint, duct-taped his wife and daughter, for what? A couple bucks and a cell phone. The other one strangles his sister-in-law and sets her dead body on fire.

Caryn, here`s my question: Why are these people helping them? Why would they help them willingly?

CARYN STARK, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Well, Nancy, that`s a great question. And the answer has to do with intimacy. I would suspect that...

GRACE: Intimacy? This is not a relationship question.

STARK: Hold on. But it is a relationship question, because they`re either people who were very close to them, family, or else they were people who were lovers, who were involved.

And don`t forget that every single criminal feels that they did nothing wrong, that they had a good reason for what they did or they totally were not guilty. And they can convince the people that are closest enough to them to believe that they`ve been treated wrongly and they need to go out there and help them to escape.

GRACE: You know, to Lauren Lake, defense attorney, listening to Caryn Stark explain the intimacy problems that these accomplices -- alleged accomplices had, what kind of time are they looking at, Lauren, for helping these two?

LAUREN LAKE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Oh, they could be in big trouble. And I don`t -- see, this is where I`m at though, Nancy. I`m not so sure that they`re acting on their own volition.

I mean, everybody has got them down like they`re intimate and they know them and they`re helping them. If you got two escapees that got a handgun, and they`re telling you, "Look, you help me do this, and then, if you tell the police anything, I`m going to circle back around and get you," I mean, some people may not be acting of their own volition.

They may be truly threatened. So I`m not convinced these two -- and I know I`m wearing my defense attorney hat right now -- but I`m not convinced these two yet have completely acted on their own volition. But if they did, they`re in big trouble.

GRACE: Lisa Wayne, one of them, the Bostic girl, goes into the -- based on the reports I`m hearing from the reporters tonight -- goes into the motel alone, has to sign something, has to show her I.D. to get a hotel room, I guess, and never could write, "Please help me, two convicted felons in car, don`t look up"?

LISA WAYNE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, we just don`t know the circumstances. If they are close to her or have threatened her and said, "We`re watching you. And we`re watching every move that you make. Do not write a note. Do not slip up anything, because we`re watching you," then she`s scared to death and she doesn`t know -- and she`s doing what she`s supposed to do.

So it`s difficult to know, because we don`t know the circumstances, where these guys were and what they told her before she went in that hotel.

GRACE: By now, at 60 miles an hour, these two could be over 2,000 miles away from the South Carolina prison they broke out of yesterday morning. Quick break, everyone.

But as you know, we at NANCY GRACE want very much to help in our way solve uninvolved homicides, find missing people. Take a look at 29-year- old Mary Elizabeth Mount. She disappeared from Fort Myers, Florida, January 4, 2004. Car found three weeks later. No other sign of Mary.

If you have info on Mary Mount, please call the Carole Sund Carrington Foundation, toll-free, 888-813-8389.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice-over): According to police, Sueann`s estranged husband, Quinton Ray, may have been the last person to see her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was up getting her car work done by her husband at his automobile shop in Jasper. That was the last place that she was seen.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice-over): Sueann`s maroon minivan, which looks very similar to this one picture here, was later found parked in this parking space at the Canton Wal-Mart. Her sister, Sandy, says just the way it was parked is suspicious.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The van was found at the Wal-Mart parking lot backed in perfectly straight. And she can`t back anything up.

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GRACE: Welcome back. Still searching for 26-year-old Sueann Ray, five feet tall, 110 pounds, blond hair, green eyes. The reward has now climbed to $106,000. Tip line: 770-294-7231.

Straight out to the reporter with the "Atlanta Journal-Constitution," Don Plummer.

Don, what`s the latest?

DON PLUMMER, "ATLANTA JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION" REPORTER: Well, Nancy, probably the most interesting and unusual thing that`s happened in this case so far, and that is that the local police have given over this case to the state Georgia Bureau of Investigation. As you know as a prosecutor in Georgia, that`s a very unusual step.

The other thing that`s happened is that the family, out of their own frustration and need, has hired the county`s former sheriff, who is now a private investigator, to do their own inquiry.

GRACE: You know, that is highly unusual, both of those moves. For a private citizen to feel that the government cannot investigate a crime and bring a criminal to justice.

Don Plummer, is it true that tracking dogs were brought to the estranged husband`s home? If so, where did they go?

PLUMMER: Well, the tracking dogs actually came to Atlanta twice to look for Sueann. Immediately afterwards, they searched around the Wal-Mart parking lot where her car was found and several other locations. They attempted to make a search of Quinton Ray`s parents` property, but were rebuffed in their request to go on the property.

GRACE: So are you telling me the dog went, followed Sueann Ray`s scent from the estranged husband`s place to the in-laws` house?

PLUMMER: My understanding is that they picked up a live scent at the property of his parent`s home and wanted to go on and, of course, explore that, as you would expect them to. But they were denied permission by the owners of the property.

GRACE: And what can you tell me about some alleged love triangle?

PLUMMER: Well, immediately after Sueann went missing and the report was put in with the police, Quinton Ray was questioned by police there. And during his questioning, he made a very unusual comment. In fact, he was arrested for the comment of threatening another person who he believed had had a romantic relationship with Sueann.

GRACE: And?

PLUMMER: Well, after that, then some two weeks later, he was at a country music venue called Cowboys near Kennesaw, Georgia. And the man that he had threatened was there. And the man saw him and immediately called the lead investigator and said, "I`ve seen the man who`s threatened me here. If he comes at me, I`ve got a gun, and I`m going to shoot him."

GRACE: So, long story short, we`re now seeing some type of a love triangle emerging. Whether it`s true or not, apparently Sueann Ray`s estranged husband thought it was true.

To Sueann`s father, Danny Jenkins, he is with us tonight. Danny, you hired a private investigator. What`s the latest? What you have learned since we visited last?

DANNY JENKINS, SUEANN RAY`S FATHER: Well, I`ve learned that the dogs tracked my daughter all the way from his house to his parents` house. His parents did not let them on the property. And, you know, I guess, if you don`t got nothing to hide, and you didn`t do this to my daughter, you would let people on that property.

GRACE: With me also, private detective John Seay. He`s a former Cherokee County sheriff.

John, what I don`t understand is, if the tracking dog led them to the in-laws, why can`t police get a search warrant?

JOHN SEAY, PRIVATE DETECTIVE: Good evening, Nancy. It`s my understanding that this residence where Quinton Ray lives is approximately eight miles from his father`s residence. I viewed both areas. And there is no way that these dogs could carry this scene for eight miles, in my estimation.

Now, if they were on...

GRACE: Now, why is that? Because I`ve had cases where dogs -- in the Laci Peterson case, they followed her scent all the way out to the water.

SEAY: Well, true enough, but there`s an interstate that leads directly in front of Quinton Ray`s property.

GRACE: Well, John, I know you`ve got a lot of experience, but I don`t think the dogs knew it was her in-laws` place, OK? So why did they go there?

SEAY: Ma`am, all I can tell you is that it`s a long way, a very long way from Quinton Ray`s house. It`s not next door. And it certainly isn`t very easily traversed. It`s a long, long way from one of these residences to the other.

GRACE: But the dogs managed to make it.

SEAY: I wasn`t there, ma`am. I really couldn`t say.

GRACE: You know what? I`m going to throw that to Danny Jenkins. The dogs managed to make it, correct?

JENKINS: Yes, ma`am, 100 percent. Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: Have you asked the in-laws why they won`t allow a search? But, for good grief, by this time, I don`t know what could be recovered.

JENKINS: Well, I`m sure that -- I mean, we found a lot of stuff out since John`s been on the case that is pretty important to the case.

GRACE: Is that true, John? What have you found out?

SEAY: Well, Nancy, I`ve had this case for ten days.

GRACE: Yes.

SEAY: I have investigated other homicides in the past. And I have investigated many missing people in the past. And I am laying the foundation to determine what is fact and what is fiction here.

GRACE: With me is John Seay, private detective on the case, along with Sueann Ray`s father, Danny Jenkins, and, of course, from the "Atlanta Journal-Constitution," Don Plummer.

Very quickly, to tonight`s "All-Points Bulletin." FBI and law enforcement across the country on the lookout for this man, John Henry Ramirez, wanted in connection with the 2004 murder of 46-year-old Pablo Castro.

Ramirez, 21, 5`7", 160 pounds, brown hair, green eyes. If you have info on John Henry Ramirez, call the FBI, 713-693-5000.

Local news next for some of you, but we`ll all be right back. And remember, live coverage of the Robert Blake civil trial, 3:00 to 5:00 Eastern, Court TV.

Tonight, please stay with us as we remember Army First Lieutenant Mark Dooley. Take a look. Just 27 years old. Now an American hero.

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GRACE: Thousands packed a Detroit church today to remember civil rights icon Rosa Parks. Parks died October 24 in Detroit, 92 years old.

This lady changed a country 50 years ago, becoming a symbol of the struggle for civil rights. About 4,000 people crowded the Greater Grace Temple in Parks` adopted hometown of Detroit for the funeral. Another 1,000 sat in an overflow room of the church. Hundreds lined up outside the building.

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BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Rosa Parks, as we saw again today, was small in stature with delicate features. But the passing years did nothing to dim the light that danced in her eyes, the kindness and strength you saw in her smile, or the dignity of her voice.

BISHOP CHARLES H. ELLIS, HOST PASTOR, GREATER GRACE TEMPLE: We have gathered to participate in this, the national victory celebration of Mother Parks.

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It is with mixed emotions, ranging from tears of sadness to tears of joy, that we say yes to the will of God. And we thank the Lord for lending Mother Parks, this most humble warrior, to us for 90 and 2 years.

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GRACE: Fifty years ago, Montgomery, Alabama, Parks refused to give up her bus seat to a white male, setting in motion a battle that went all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. The city`s bus segregation law struck down a year later, sparking the civil rights movement.

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ROSA PARKS, LATE CIVIL RIGHTS ICON: I took this as an opportunity to let it be known that, as a passenger, I was not being treated fairly and, as a person, and we as a people, were not treated fairly to have to undergo this type of treatment.

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GRACE: Throughout today`s service, Parks was remembered as a tiny lady who made an enormous contribution to U.S. history and proving once again one person can -- and did -- make a difference.

Thank you to all of my guests. But biggest thank you to you for being with us tonight, inviting all of us into your home.

Coming up, headlines from all around the world. I`m Nancy Grace, signing off for tonight. I`ll see you right here tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.

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