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Smuggled Video Reveals Life Inside North Korea; Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice Visits Iraq; President Bush Strikes Back

Aired November 11, 2005 - 22:00   ET


ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Good evening, everyone.
Tonight, pictures you aren't supposed to see from a place that kills to keep them secret.


ANNOUNCER: Never-before-seen pictures of Kim Jong Il's brutal North Korean regime -- public executions, concentration camps and people lying dead in the streets -- tonight, peering behind one of the world's last iron curtains.

Ninety forty-four, and an Army airman vanishes on a flight over New Guinea.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We encountered this wall of clouds. It looked like it was impenetrable.

ANNOUNCER: The mystery of a soldier lost over 60 years ago and a family hoping he may be on his way home.

Plus, a mother of twins at 57? Instead of planning for retirement, this record-setting single mom is planning play dates.


ANNOUNCER: This is ANDERSON COOPER 360. Live from the CNN studios in New York, here's Anderson Cooper.

COOPER: Good evening again.

In a moment, we are going to show you the reality of North Korea as you have never seen it before.

But, first, here is what is happening at this moment.

President Bush fighting back -- in a speech today, he responded to rising criticism about the way the Iraq war is being handled by going after his Democratic opponents, saying it's -- quote -- "deeply irresponsible to rewrite the history of how that war began." Now Democrats are criticizing Mr. Bush for criticizing them.

We are learning the identities of those who carried out Wednesday's terror attacks in Amman, Jordan. A Web site posting claiming to be from al Qaeda in Iraq says three male Iraqi suicide bombers carried out the attacks. It also says one attacker brought his wife along. The information has not been confirmed.

The Jacksboro, Tennessee student accused of shooting his principal and two assistants Tuesday, killing one, had recently enrolled in a school for children with drug, alcohol and behavioral problems. In a statement today, the school said the teen was in their care part of last year and this year, but had to be discharged into the care of his family after his behavioral problems resurfaced.

And, in Washington, Vice President Dick Cheney laid a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknowns during a Veterans Day ceremony. He told the crowd at Arlington National Cemetery that U.S. forces today are -- quote -- "tracking the enemies of freedom and will prevail."

Cheney was substituting for President Bush, who was giving his speech in Pennsylvania -- more on both those topics coming up.

But, first, we begin tonight with video people literally risked their lives for you to see, the images newly smuggled out of North Korea. And what they show is that, for that nation, oppressed and starving, for the people in that nation who are oppressed and who are starving, life is worse, even than previously imagined.

And we want to warn you, the following story begins with a public execution. Now, you have the choice about watching. Those who were there did not.

CNN's Frank Sesno narrates.


FRANK SESNO, CNN CONTRIBUTING CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): North Korea, March 2005 -- a crowd has been ordered to gather in an open field. A party official makes an announcement.


SESNO: Children have been brought to watch. The sentence is about to be passed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): All the workers who came here today are inhabitants of the nearby village, are about to learn the punishment for these crimes.

SESNO: Three men are about to die.

UNIDENTIFIED PERSON (through translator): How stupid these criminals are. Kim Jong Il is great in comparison to these worthless criminals.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): Carry out the death sentence immediately!

SESNO: These people have committed the crime most damaging to North Korea's leader, Kim Jong Il. They made contact with the outside world. UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): They have been involved in the illegal (SPEAKING KOREAN) aiding people to defect the country. They trafficked women across the border to China. We have to protect North Korea from the outside influence and build up a strong guard to keep those influences out.

SESNO: Three policemen stepped forward and raise their rifles. On the left, a prisoner is tied to a pole.

The next day, a different town, another public execution for the same crimes, helping people escape to the outside world. The man with the secret camera walks into a vacant building and talks to his audience.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): I witnessed soldiers executing people by firing squad. They were accused of human trafficking offenses. Men, women and children came to watch.

SESNO: This video was passed from person to person along a secret underground network, powerful evidence of public executions under the regime of Kim Jong Il.

North Korea is the last Stalinist regime, a closed one-party state founded on a personality cult, a rogue regime known for repression of its people and a menacing nuclear arms program, a nearly bankrupt nation, where, in the 1990s, the U.S. government says more than two million men, women, and children starved to death during a famine. Kim Jong Il denied the famine even existed.

Kim Jong Il's absolute power depends on his people remaining oblivious to life outside the secret state, believing, as he says, that North Korea is paradise. But now his control is being challenged by his own people, and word is getting out.

Dissidents are using technology to show the world images of the secret state that have never been seen before. They are also giving North Koreans their first views of what life is like on the outside.


COOPER: Well, in a moment, we are going to show you more of that video.

All this video is from an excerpt from a "CNN PRESENTS" special report called "Undercover in the Secret State." It's going to air Sunday on CNN.

We spoke earlier this evening in London with Sarah McDonald, the producer and director of the amazing and horrifically appalling look at what Kim Jong Il doesn't want seen, the truth about what is happening inside his country.

Here's what we -- we talked about.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) COOPER: Sarah, watching this footage, I mean, the risk these people were taking to -- to get this footage is extraordinary. Why were they doing it? What is their motivation?

SARAH MCDONALD, PRODUCER & DIRECTOR: Their motivation is I think different for each of them.

Some of them are motivated because their families actually starved to death in front of them, and they realized that they just had to go out and seek a way of ensuring that their lives were changing in the future. Others have actually had a sense of the outside by going into China and realizing that life on the outside is not what it appears, you know, in -- inside North Korea for most North Koreans, that there is wealth and a life out there that they can live without starvation and poverty.

COOPER: I want to look at some of the video, first of all, this -- this public execution. These people, allegedly, had been smuggling -- smuggling people across the borders, I guess. Who were they allegedly smuggling?

MCDONALD: Do you know, I mean, they're -- they're called people smugglers, which is a very pejorative term, obviously, in -- in our West -- in the Western world.

But, actually, these are people who, probably more money, as a means of survival, or, really, maybe they're dissidents themselves, you know, for a political motivation, they're helping people escape.

COOPER: Any sense of how common these executions are?

MCDONALD: Yes. They're really common.

And, you know, we -- we're horrified, of course, in the West. And we go, oh, this is incredible, you know, executions. How awful. And everyone we met just laughed in our faces, and said, for God's sake. We have just grown up with this all our lives. It's -- you know, it is so commonplace. We are -- they were made to go through public executions all through their childhood.

You know, it's -- they can't understand why we find it so horrifying.

COOPER: Human Rights Watch estimates some 200,000 political prisoners inside North Korea -- the North Korean government denies that -- that concentration camps even exist.

And, yet, in these videos, we see detention facilities. We see prisoners carrying what I understand are -- are buckets of -- of human feces that -- that they have to use for fertilizer.

MCDONALD: It is -- you -- you just -- you can't imagine that they lock so many people up.

And we spoke to one man who was inside the -- the prison, Yurdok (ph), that we showed the footage of, which is just incredible. They denied it existed. And there is the footage. You know, and we -- we are very lucky to be able to see that.

What he described, we didn't put it in the film. It is so appalling, you just can't imagine. He said that 95 percent of people who go into that prison die in the prison. Their whole motivation is to kill these people, but they won't let them die easily. They -- they torture them to death over a very long period of time.

COOPER: That sign in the video above the -- the entrance, it says, "Give up your life for the sake of our dear leader, Kim Jong Il."

I mean, it -- and people are literally giving up their lives. You know, I read also this figure, 7 percent of North Koreans starving, according to the United Nations, 37 chronically malnourished, 40 percent of children suffering from stunted growth, 20 percent underweight.

And we see this video of -- of people in the marketplace, this little kid stealing, who then gets beaten. And -- and I understand, there are also, I mean, just bodies laying out on the street.

MCDONALD: These people are starving.

The World Food Program says that, you know, famine is coming again. And these people are trying to get out. And they just can't, you know, that the -- Kim Jong Il is cracking down with major force now, because he can see that people are trying to get away much more than in the past.

COOPER: That last picture that we were just showing of the woman lying, just -- I assume she's dead, lying in the street, and the people with the bicycles just passing by and pausing for a moment, and then kind of going on, I mean, to me, that is just, perhaps, the most chilling image I -- I -- I have seen in a long time.

Sarah McDonald, appreciate it. And -- appreciate you joining us tonight.

MCDONALD: Thank you.


COOPER: And, just keep in mind, when you look at those pictures, there are people who have risked their lives to take those pictures, so that all of us can see and all of us can learn and know what is really happening inside North Korea.

The story we have just been talking about is going to be the subject this Sunday evening at 8:00 Eastern, a special hour-long edition of "CNN PRESENTS," "Undercover in the Secret State." Again, that is Sunday night at 8:00 Eastern. Hope you watch.

Coming up next on 360, Condoleezza Rice on the move and on the ground in Iraq on this Veterans Day -- is she the administration's best hope for good P.R. right now? We will see what she was doing there? And a mother's worst nightmare -- a subway surveillance video -- take a look at this -- captures a stroller with a baby on board. The stroller gets caught in the closed doors of the subway. We will show you what happens next coming up.


COOPER: Well, on this Veterans Day, there has been more bloodshed in Iraq. Three Iraqi police officers were killed in a shoot-out at checkpoint in Baquba.

And, just hours later, a car bomb targeting an Iraqi police patrol exploded in Baghdad, wounding three policemen and a civilian.

Much different scene in another part of Baghdad today, however, a surprise visit from Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. Her visit comes at a time when her popularity may just be eclipsing the rest of the team Bush.

CNN's Tom Foreman reports.


TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Just in time for Veterans Day, a bright light in the Republican blues -- Condoleezza Rice is stepping out. Well, it's not all that, but the secretary of state was front and center for the White House in her surprise visit to Iraq.

CONDOLEEZZA RICE, SECRETARY OF STATE: I think, if we just recognize how important it is that freedom continue to spread, then we will be able to sustain our effort, because we know that nothing of value is ever won without sacrifice.

FOREMAN: The rise of Rice could be good news for President Bush, even as his support crumbles. A new AP poll says almost six in 10 Americans don't think the president is honest.

Secretary Rice, however, has largely kept clear of the CIA leak scandal, the hurricane fallout and troubles of the war. So, instead of having to defend herself on this visit, she was attacking suspected terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

RICE: What Zarqawi and his kind are most afraid of is that democrat -- democratic forces will take hold in Iraq.

FOREMAN: In "TIME," Rice is among the nation's most ambitious women. In "Glamour," there she is between Paris and Angelina. And, in "Newsweek"," other women are important because they are shown talking to Condi -- the result, 59 percent of Americans have a favorable opinion of Rice. That's higher than the vice president, Dick Cheney, higher than Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and much higher than presidential adviser Karl Rove.

Bill Schneider is CNN's political analyst. WILLIAM SCHNEIDER, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: They like her. They really like her. And, at this point, the president needs anything he can get from anyone with a high approval rating.

FOREMAN (on camera): On the Web, the efforts to make Rice run for president in 2008 are already well under way. They're already picked out an opponent and they have whipped out a snappy theme song.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (singing): Condoleezza will lead us, brother.

FOREMAN (voice-over): The rumble for Rice is still relatively low. You can barely hear it from this soldier, but it's there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You're my inspiration.

FOREMAN: "You're my inspiration," she said. And amid the administration's many worries, that's something Secretary Rice and the White House can run with.

Tom Foreman, CNN, Washington.


COOPER: Well, other members of the administration marked Veterans Day differently. Vice President Dick Cheney was at Arlington National Cemetery laying a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknowns.

President Bush fought back, taking aim at his detractors, namely the Democrats, in a speech on Iraq that may have seemed necessary for a president struggling politically, of course.

Here's CNN's chief national correspondent, John King.


JOHN KING, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The speech ran 50 minutes, the message the president is looking to sell summarized behind him in just three words.

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We will never back down. We will never give in. We will never accept anything less than complete victory.


KING: Strategy for Victory is a very different message than "Mission Accomplished." And Mr. Bush's political problem is in many ways a tale of those two banners.

Back in May 2003, Saddam Hussein's statue and government had fallen. Mr. Bush was in a position of strength.

BUSH: But we have seen the turning of the tide.

KING: Two-and-a-half years later, the insurgency is resilient, public support for the war wavering, Mr. Bush leading a Veterans Day rebuttal to critics that say the administration doesn't have a plan to back up its latest slogan.

BUSH: We're on the hunt. We're keeping pressure on the enemy.


KING: Just a year after he won reelection, Iraq is a credibility cloud over the president's second term.

Fifty-four percent of Americans now say the war was a mistake, up from 23 percent just after that May 2003 speech declaring major combat operations over. Fifty-three percent of Americans now believe the administration deliberately misled the American people about Iraq's weapon programs, up from 31 percent back then.

And just 49 percent of Americans in CNN polling describe Mr. Bush as honest and trustworthy, down from 65 percent just after Baghdad fell.

GLEN BOLGER, REPUBLICAN POLLSTER: If George W. Bush loses the perception that he is trustworthy and a strong leader, there's no question that's going to make his last three years as president much, much more difficult to get anything accomplished.

KING: Republicans on Capitol Hill are more and more breaking with the Republican White House, and Democrats are relentless. This from Senator John Kerry, Mr. Bush's opponent last year. It's a dangerous day for our national security when an administration's word is no good.

The White House calls that hypocrisy. The president in his speech noted Senator Kerry's support of the war and even quoted him describing Saddam as a grave threat.

(on camera): That flashback to last year's campaign is telling proof how the president's political standing has deteriorated. As one Republican strategist close to the White House put it, when you're still debating your opponent a year after the election, you are not debating from a position of strength.

John King, CNN, Washington.


COOPER: Interesting point.

Coming up on this Veterans Day, an update on the iceman, the frozen World War II airman found in the Sierra Nevada Mountains.

But, first, Erica Hill from Headline News joins us with some of the other stories we're following right now.

Hi, Erica.


Bad cell phone etiquette really hitting a new low with this story. In Northern Virginia, police are looking for this woman, who they say has robbed four banks. And, in three of the cases, she was apparently talking on her phone as she did it, as she showed a note demanding cash. Yet, the bandit went one step further in her latest robbery. Police say she had a gun in her purse.

On to Kalamazoo, Michigan, now, where a huge surprise came at a school board meeting -- the big announcement, nearly all graduates of the Kalamazoo public schools, starting with the class of 2006, will get scholarships to any public university in the state. Talk about an early holiday gift -- an anonymous group, by the way, footing that bill.

In southern Kansas, near the town of Haviland, a 1,400-pound meteorite found seven feet under ground is being called the largest of its kind ever discovered in the U.S. Get this. A man found it with his metal detector mounted on a three-wheel vehicle. Now he wants to sell it. Hmm.

At the San Diego Zoo, following Chinese tradition, this panda tot got named today, now that the cub is 100 days old. So, her name now, Su Lin, which means a little bit of something very cute in Chinese.


HILL: That was the top pick in an online poll.

And I -- I have to agree. She is a little bit of something cute, you know.

COOPER: Oh, Erica, Erica, Erica.

HILL: But I get it -- do you have some cuter video to show me?

COOPER: You know, you try. You try with your cute panda video to make an impression. And, yet, I see your cute panda, and I raise you a cute puppy.

HILL: And you raise me?

COOPER: I raise you a cute puppy.

HILL: A cute puppy?

COOPER: Take a look at this, Alhambra, California, a green puppy allegedly born to this golden retriever.

HILL: Stop. How is it green?

COOPER: I -- well, I will tell you, I smell something fishy, frankly,.

Veterinarians say it's possible for newborn pups fur to be green, because the placenta rubs off at birth. The guy who owns these pups, who, you know, were born just, like, five days ago, says he's mystified. I think it may be a scam. I don't know.

HILL: Maybe they like Greenies. Does your -- you -- you have a dog.



HILL: My dog likes Greenies. They're these, like, toothbrush green things. They keep his teeth clean.

COOPER: Oh, yes?

HILL: They're treats.

COOPER: Oh. There we go. There...

HILL: Molly (ph) might want some. But maybe -- maybe the mother dog ate a lot of Greenies and had a green puppy.

COOPER: Well, you know what the name -- the name of this puppy is?

HILL: Greenie?

COOPER: Wasabi.

HILL: What's up, Wasabi?

COOPER: Yes. There you go.

HILL: Yes.

COOPER: All right. Erica Hill, enough. Thanks very much.


COOPER: Coming up next on 360, on this Veterans Day, an update on the frozen airman mystery, a story we have been following closely -- the latest on the effort to I.D. the body found in the Sierra Nevada Mountains.

And, later, the science of freezing life, it's making a mom out of a woman old enough to be someone's grandmother. You will meet her and her child.

From New York, this is 360.


COOPER: For families of some G.I.s, this Veterans Day falls into one of two categories, painful current events, in other words, Iraq, or the memories of Korea, Vietnam and the Second World War.

A few, though, end up in a kind of emotional no-man's land. Their loved ones are missing or, in rare cases, may have been found, but have yet to be identified, for instance, the frozen remains discovered last month in -- in the Sierra Nevada Mountains, the ultimate cold case. Is he a flyer who vanished more than 60 years ago?

Well, we learned today scientists at a military lab in Hawaii have now narrowed his identity down to four possible airmen. They're now asking for DNA samples from four potential relatives. They're also working on the remains of more than 1,100 other service men and women, each with a story to tell.

Here now, the story of Lieutenant Stanley (ph) Campbell, from mystery to memorial service today.

It's reported by CNN's Thelma Gutierrez.


THELMA GUTIERREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): For 35 years, a family here in Pioche, Nevada, has been haunted by a mystery. It begins December 10, 1944. A mother receives a letter from her son, a pilot.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Dearest mother, my Thanksgiving was spent flying, had some canned corned beef, but I did pray that, next year, we will all be together again."

GUTIERREZ: It was World War II, and Lieutenant Stanley Campbell wrote those words on the day his cargo plane vanished in thick clouds far from home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Will close from now. May God be with you. Love, Stan."

GUTIERREZ: Stanley Campbell was 20 years when he enlisted.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was born and raised here. He stayed here all of his life until...

GUTIERREZ: His sister-in-law, Irma Campbell (ph), now 83, says he was the pride of the town. His uniforms still hang in a museum here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He just had, oh, almost a radiance about him.

GUTIERREZ: Stanley Campbell was from a tight-knit family. To his mother, as the youngest of four, he was special.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, she had sent three sons to war. And, so, to lose him, and then to have it be her baby, that was tough.

GUTIERREZ: In 1944, Campbell was ordered to New Guinea, and the bloody middle of fierce battles with the Japanese.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think I have forgotten most of what happened in New Guinea, but I have never forgotten that day.

GUTIERREZ: Dick Corthols (ph) was a pilot there, too, and the last person to speak to Campbell. Both pilots were flying C-47s, making a cargo run through the deadly airspace.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, we encountered this wall of clouds. It looked like it was impenetrable. I called Stan. And I said, I think I'm going to go underneath. And Stan said, "Well, I think I'm going to try to cross the mountains."

GUTIERREZ: That was it. Sixty-one years ago, Stanley Campbell and his crew simply vanished without a trace -- nothing, not even a clue, for decades, until 1979, when an American search-and-recovery team found aircraft wreckage and human remains deep in a New Guinea jungle.

Then, last year, another team returned to excavate the site. Skeletal remains and boots were recovered and sent to the forensic scientists at the Joint Prisoner of War and Missing in Action Accounting Command in Hawaii.

(on camera): This area is called the remains vault. And each of the boxes that you see here contain the remains of a service member, from one tooth, all the way to a complete skeleton. There are some 1,100 boxes here at JPAC containing remains that go all the way back to the Civil War.

(voice-over): It is a massive puzzle, body parts, clothing remnants and thousands and thousands of pieces of unknown Americans who had gone to fight for their country.

After a painstaking seven months, a forensic team here had finally discovered what happened to young Stanley Campbell.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There were dental remains and those skeletal remains that were recovered. And, so, using the dental records from the war, we were able to match up those teeth with those dental records, and we could say, this is Lieutenant Campbell.

GUTIERREZ: In keeping with military tradition, Lieutenant Campbell's remains are wrapped in an army blanket. This begins the fulfillment of a sacred military oath.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They should fall on a battlefield somewhere in the world protecting our nation that we're going to do everything we can to ensure that their remains are returned back to the United States and back to their families.

GUTIERREZ: Lieutenant Campbell's remains are placed in a casket. An army dress uniform decorated with his ribbons and medals placed on top. The young lieutenant is at last ready to go home again.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It doesn't matter if that serviceman died yesterday, three years ago, or 65 years ago, they still rate those honors of a U.S. service person.

GUTIERREZ: The mystery that began with a disappearance 61 years ago ...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ready, aim, fire! GUTIERREZ: Ends now with his family.

And an old friend who waited a lifetime for Stanley Campbell to come home. Thelma Gutierrez, CNN, Pioche, Nevada.


COOPER: And one more hero is home today.

Coming up on 360, Pat Robertson says voters in Pennsylvania are going to pay, voting to teach evolution instead of intelligent design. Take you to the heart of the debate and a look back at the often surprising statements of the Reverend Robertson.

Plus a subway nightmare. Her mother, the baby and stroller that got stuck in a subway. Frantic moments caught on tape.


COOPER: In a moment intelligent design and the wrath of God, at least according to Pat Robertson. But first a look at what's happening at this moment.

With poll members showing suspicion of the selling and conduct of the war in Iraq the president lashed out at critics. Addressing troops in Pennsylvania the president called it quote "deeply irresponsible to rewrite how the war began."

The vice president, meantime, performed honors at Arlington National Ceremony, laid the wreath at the Tomb of the Unknowns and praised American troops for taking down two dictatorships and fighting terror around the globe.

In Chilton, Wisconsin, dramatic proof that forensic science is a double-edged sword. DNA testing recently cleared Steven Avery in a rape that wrongly sent him to prison to 18 years, that's him getting out of prison right there, now blood found in a woman's SUV near his home has implicated him in her murder. Prosecutor said he'll charge Mr. Avery early next week. More on this case next hour on 360.

And in Tacoma, Washington call this one the justice for brawl. Take a look.

It happened after a judge gave a defendant 30 years for murder. Nobody was seriously hurt, however.

Is Dover, Pennsylvania under the watchful eye of a wrathful God? The Reverend Pat Robertson apparently thinks so. :Last year the town of 18,000 made headlines you may remember when his school board mandated that public school students be taught intelligent design. A concept, that according to polls does jibe with what most Americans believe, that a god had a hand in creating life on earth.

But Tuesday some school board members got an earthly message, you're fired. Here's CNN's Delia Gallagher.


DELIA GALLAGHER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): If you live in Pennsylvania, and believe Pat Robertson you might have expected this to happen today. That's because the religious broadcaster says God is unhappy with Dover. Why? Because it just voted out eight board members who support intelligent design.

REVEREND PAT ROBERTSON, TELEVANGELIST: I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover if there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected him from your city.

GALLAGHER: According to intelligent design, there isn't a scientific explanation for everything and that sometimes there must be a greater power at work. Take the eye, for instance. So many parts. The lens, the retina, the iris. All working together to let us see. Remove any one of them and our world would fade to black.

Intelligent design argues that something as complicated as the eye must have been conceived and created by an intelligent being. And that it couldn't have just evolved through chance mutation over millions of years. Advocates don't say who the designer is, but critics insist the implication is that it's God and that intelligent design is religion, not science. The whole debate has divided Dover.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: People no longer are talking to one another.

GALLAGHER: The school board that was just rejected had this kind of effect on a biology class. Students are read a statement pointing out gaps in evolution, offering intelligent design as an alternate theory. Not a big deal, said one ousted board member.

RON SCOTT, SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER: That's all it ever was, just a statement there's other theories out there.

GALLAGHER: But that was enough for 11 parents who are suing to end the policy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Intelligent design is not science, that it doesn't belong in the science curriculum.

GALLAGHER: It was also enough for the voters of Dover. According to Pat Robertson, they voted against God.

ROBERTSON: Don't ask for his help 'cause he might not be there.


COOPER: Where does the lawsuit stand right now?

GALLAGHER (on camera): Well, the trial is over. And we're awaiting the verdict which should be handed down in the next few weeks and, you know, since it's the first time that intelligent design has been in the courts, been argued in the courts it's a judgment which is going to be very interesting.

COOPER: But it's not just limited on this debate, it goes far beyond just Dover, Pennsylvania.

GALLAGHER: Absolutely, this is a debate being discussed throughout America. And it's not just in the schools, of course, it's also in the universities, a very important place. We had the president of Cornell University that he thought the discussion of intelligent design in the classrooms was very dangerous.

President Bush, of course, also said intelligent design should be taught in the schools. So at all levels and across the nation you have piecing weighing in on this argument.

COOPER: Delia Gallagher, thanks very much.

To the best of our knowledge the "700 Club" doesn't sell videos of Pat Robertson's greatest hits but we've kept track and doing God's work has kept him a busy man here's what he's said over the last several years.


COOPER: The people in Dover, Pennsylvania are just the latest in a long list that have incurred the wrath of Pat Robertson. In 1992 he expressed his anger at feminists in a fund-raising letter which read, "The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women, it's about a socialist anti-family political movement and encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."

Becoming lesbians would probably be especially bad, according to Robertson, since, as he told his "700 Club" viewers in 2003 "Many of those involved in Adolf Hitler were Satanists. Many of them were homosexuals. The two seem to go together."

This was Robertson's take on Islam in 2003. "I think Osama bin Laden is probably a very dedicated follower of Mohammed he has done exactly what Mohammed said to do. We disagree with him and I'm sure moderate Muslims do as well but you can't say the religion is a religion of peace, it's not."

Even U.S. government entities aren't spared his hellfire and brimstone, here was his suggestion for shaking up the State Department in 2003.

Quote, "Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up like Newt Gingrich wants to do."

And earlier this year he said the threat posed by what he called liberal judges is, "probably more serious than a few bearded terrorists who fly into buildings."

Maybe his comments wouldn't be quite so controversial if he were some small time preacher, but the 67-year-old Robertson reaches millions on his very own channel, the Christian Broadcasting Network which he founded in 1960.

He started his own college, Regent University in 1978 and in 1988 made a run for the White House, promising to ban pornography, reform education and allow Bible reading in public schools. Well, he may have lost the presidency, Robertson has remained an adviser to presidents like Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush and was even called on by Karl Rove to test the conservative Christian waters on ex- Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers.

He also offers advice on matters like how to deal with some of America's foes like Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

ROBERTSON: You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him I think we really ought to go ahead and do it, it's whole lot cheaper than starting a war.

COOPER: Fighting words from a man who still has a powerful pulpit.


COOPER: Well, still ahead on 360, she gave birth to twins at the ages most people plan their retirement. A 57-year-old mom who spent the last 12 months up to her armpits in diapers. Cute, cute babies, we'll see how that's going for her.

And a horrifying moment for her mother and baby trapped in the door of a fast moving subway car. The entire incident caught on video. We'll tell you how this horrifying incident ends.


COOPER: Against the odds, a woman giving birth at the age of 57, her story in a moment, first Erica Hill from Headline News joins us with some of the other stories we're following right now. Hey, Erica.

HILL: Hello again.

Anderson, a husband and wife were part of the four-person Iraqi team that carried out deadly suicide bombings in Jordan this week. At least that's according to an online statement from the terrorist group al Qaeda in Iraq. Those hotel attacks in Amman killed 57 and wounded more than a hundred.

In Mosul, Iraq, a surprise visit from Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, she arrived there early this morning and then moved on to Baghdad later in the day for meetings with Iraqi and American officials.

And finally this hour, this is not what a Christmas tree looks like after you've had a little too much eggnog, in fact, it's supposed to be upside down. All the kids are doing, supposedly the latest thing. In fact one well-known catalog had a run on the topsy-turvy trees. They're all sold out. No word on what the farm looks like where they grow, supposedly, Anderson but -- hi -- they were -- hi. They were like 600 bucks and they're sold out.

COOPER: I guess -- There's room at least for more presents under the tree that way because you have the top part of the tree there.

HILL: That's what they say but, I mean, I don't know it's harder for the animals to get to the ornaments, I think.

COOPER: That's true. Erica, thanks.

Last night on the program, Geena Davis, the actress, politely pointed out to me that no one ever asked successful men how they managed to balance work and home. Point well taken.

Here's another question that men rarely, if ever, get asked. How can you choose to be a father when you're so old. When the actor Tony Randall fathered his first child he was 77, hardly anyone raised an eyebrow.

Michael Douglas became a father for the third time at 58, ditto. But last year, when Aleta St. James became a mom for the first time at age 56 everyone seemed to have an opinion about that. Since then she's been so busy to dwell on what others think, two days ago her twins turned one and CNN's Alina Cho caught up with the family.


ALINA CHO, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Most people this Aleta St. James' age are planning retirement but not Aleta.

ALETA ST. JAMES, MOTHER: They're total miracles. Every time I look at them sometimes I can't believe they're here.

CHO: Just a day shy of her 58th birthday, Aleta now spends her days with her one year old twins, Genme and Francesca (ph), not her grandchildren, her own children.

ST. JAMES: Gene is like a little man, ready to attache case to work, he's so responsible, he reads his books, you know, and she's so vibrant and excited about -- you know, she just zooms around like a little bee.

CHO: A single mom, St. James has found a way to balance career and motherhood with a full time career. Granted, she has a live inn baby nurse and a group of close knit friends to help. But her days are pretty much filled with diapers, feedings, Baby Einsteins and lots of baby talk.

ST. JAMES: Da-da-da.

Twins are definitely a trip. Sometimes during the day your eyes start to cross but you kind of breathe and get through it and eat some protein and keep going.

CHO: The success coach and energy healer first attracted the world's attention when she was about to become the oldest woman in America to give birth to twins.

ST. JAMES: I knew that I wanted to have children from a really deep place inside of me but I never thought I was too old. My grandmother had my mom at 54.

CHO: After three miscarriages using her own eggs, Aleta tried in vitro fertilization, spending more than $25,000 on the procedures, using a donated egg from a younger woman and sperm given by an ex- boyfriend.

ST. JAMES: The heartbreaks, the -- you go through in vitro and miscarriages and, you know, it's like a roller coaster but I wouldn't trade it for anything.

CHO: The twins were delivered by cesarean on November 9th, last year. The news of their arrival was splashed across headlines. There were also critics saying she was selfish, that this was unnatural, sparking a national debate. Is a woman ever too old to become a mother?

ST. JAMES: It feels are tremendously natural. And I don't know where they get this. And the thing about having children later in life is you might not have some of energy as you had when you were 20 but you have a tremendous amount of wisdom and sense of self.

CHO: But you can't ignore the math, when Gene and Francesca are entering their freshman year in college their mother will be 75 but she doesn't mind.

ST. JAMES: I can see myself going way into my 90s maybe hitting 100 and being vibrant and vital.

CHO: She just marked their first birthday with her debut as an author. "Life Shift, Let Go And Live Your Dream," hoping to inspire women of all ages to always live life to the fullest. Alina Cho, CNN, New York.


COOPER: Later story, coming up on 360 freezing time, for women who want to be moms later in life, the process of freezing your eggs, we're going to take a look at whether it works and how it works.

Plus, you don't even want to imagine it, one terrified mother didn't have to because it really happened to her, subway nightmare, her baby and stroller caught in a moving train. We'll have her story in a few moments.

And keeping the monitor, trying to, people living the shadow of the levees, demanding answers to either not being rebuild to handle the next Katrina, a break first to New Orleans and around the world, you're watching 360.


COOPER: All right, so how many times have you turned on the local news and heard this -- it's a mother's worst nightmare. November is sweeps month chances are you'll be hearing it a lot as TV stations try to compete for your attention by trying to scare the daylights out of. Usually it's bunk, but not this time. This truly is a mother's worst nightmare and yes, this will scare the daylights out of you.

Here's CNN's Zain Verjee.


VERJEE (voice-over): Thousands of people ride the subway in the South Korean capital every day without incident. And Lee Chan Hee had no reason to believe her trip with her baby yesterday would be any different. So you can imagine her surprise when she tried to board a car and the doors closed in on the stroller with the baby in it.

She tried but was unable to wrench the stroller free. Then the train started to move. Another passenger on the platform saw what was happening and rushed to help. But Lee's problems weren't over. She was stuck. The train dragging her down the platform as her Good Samaritan falls and another witness rushes to pick up the baby.

LEE CHAN-HEE, MOTHER (through translator): At the same time I was being dragged, I tried to get up, but my jacket was caught between the doors.

VERJEE: Lee's fear turns to outright panic as the train rapidly neared the end of the platform about to enter the tunnel.

LEE: As I was getting dragged under the subway it was heading toward the dark tunnel. I thought, I am going to die. I thought I was going to bump into the safety gate at the end of the platform that says, do not enter. And I thought I wanted to survive.

But the driver alert tot the situation, stopped the train just short of the tunnel.

Zain Verjee, CNN, Atlanta.


COOPER: Unbelievable, mother and child are said to be doing fine right now. To the millions around the world join us at CNN International. Thanks for watching. The second hour of 360 starts in just a moment.

Just ahead, where does a killer come from. The roots of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, we'll venture there.

Also, call this the stork meets Mr. Freeze, freezing eggs, holding back time, allowing women to postpone motherhood for years, the question is does it work?

And between cell phone yakkers and talk show shouters are we getting ruder, the verdict from the experts and input from you, you can go to, and click on the feedback link or call us with your questions to our etiquette experts about the rudeness in America.

Our toll free number is 1-877-648-3639, that's 877-648-3639, we'll answer politely, we promise, this is 360.


COOPER: Good evening, I'm Anderson Cooper. A convict cleared of rape by DNA. He gets out but is back in, his DNA now implicates him in a murder. 11:00 p.m. in the East, 8:00 in the West, this is 360.

ANNOUNCER: Tonight a brutal murder might be solved.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To know that one human being can do this to another human being is beyond belief.


ANNOUNCER: The bizarre tale of a man who spent 18 years in prison for a rape he never committed and why he now may be sent back for murder.

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi says he's responsible for Wednesday's bloodbath in Jordan but are Jordanians now turning against their native son? Tonight Nic Robertson treks to Zarqawi's hometown to find out.

Plus, from celebrities behaving badly to your own cell phone etiquette. A new study says we're getting ruder as a nation. How rude do you think you are? We'll take your calls.

This is ANDERSON COOPER 360 live from the CNN studios in New York, here's Anderson Cooper.

COOPER: Good evening, again. We begin with a look at the headlines this moment. A Web site posting attributed to al Qaeda in Iraq said the terrorist group sent a month assessing the three hotels in Amman, Jordan that were attacked Wednesday.

The posting also says three male Iraqi suicide bombers carried out the strikes and one bomber was actually accompanied by his own wife. The posting's authenticity can't be verified.

In Pennsylvania today President Bush criticized Democrats who accused his administration of manipulating intelligence that led to the war in Iraq. He had more than a hundred Democratic lawmakers had access to the same intelligent and voted for the war. Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid said Mr. Bush is resorting to, quote, "discredited rhetoric."

And Vice President Dick Cheney marked Veterans Day by laying a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknowns before a crowded Arlington National Cemetery. Mr. Cheney talks about the difficult mission still to come and said the U.S. will prevail.


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