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Aired July 8, 2009 - 19:00:00   ET



JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, Michael Jackson`s memorial service is over. But the investigation into his death is just heating up. When the King of Pop collapsed last month, his arms were reportedly speckled with track marks. With the toxicology results at least a week away, these reports fuel speculation that IV drugs and an anesthesia addiction did led to the legend`s death.

Meantime, where did the casket go? Is a fierce battle brewing within the Jackson family over burial plans?

And more custody battle shockers. Paris Jackson`s touching memorial speech leaves Debbie Rowe weeping. Will this heartfelt moment affect her upcoming decision on whether or not to seek custody? And what does Jackson`s longtime friend and dermatologist say to rumors he is the biological father?

Then, an adorable 11-year-old vanishes without a trace. Lindsey Baum disappeared after walking home from a friend`s house. And cops have no leads. In a cruel twist, Lindsey`s father is set to be deployed to Iraq.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please, bring my daughter home before I have to leave.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Will Uncle Sam let him stay home and look for his precious daughter?

Plus, the latest on the mysterious murder of beloved NFL star Steve McNair.

ISSUES starts now.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, fast-breaking developments, stunning claims about Michael Jackson`s life and the condition of his body when he died late last month.

At this hour, sources telling CNN that when Jackson collapsed in his rented mansion, his arms were riddled with, quote, "numerous track marks," and the veins in his arms had collapsed.

The same source also told CNN that investigators found, quote, "numerous" bottles of prescription drugs in the house. Now, the Associated Press reports the powerful, surgical knockout drug Diprivan was among the drugs found.

More disturbing details from another investigative source who spoke to CNN, saying Jackson`s skin was, quote, "paper white," and he didn`t have any hair. This, as law enforcement sources tell TMZ that the Jackson family has given cops a list of doctors who they believe misprescribed meds to Michael. Among them, according to TMZ, Dr. Arnold Klein, Jackson`s longtime dermatologist and friend.

For his part, Dr. Klein tells ABC`s "Good Morning America" he is not on police radar.


DIANE SAWYER, HOST, ABC`S "GOOD MORNING AMERICA": There`s been at least one account which said that your name has arisen as one of five doctors who gave him prescription...

DR. ARNOLD KLEIN, JACKSON`S DERMATOLOGIST: No, I`m not more than five. I`m not one of the five doctors. I`ve not been -- I`ve not been examined by anyone, OK? I`m not being contacted by the police in Los Angeles.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: In fact, Dr. Klein says he warned Michael about drugs, once convincing him to flush a drug far more powerful than morphine right down the toilet.

Dr. Klein is also swatting speculation about his relationship to Michael`s kids. Well, sort of. Listen very carefully to how he responds to Diane Sawyer when she asks about a report that he was their biological father.


KLEIN: All I can tell you is, to the best of my knowledge, I am not the father of these children. I am telling you, if push comes to shove, you know, I can`t say anything about it. But to the best of my knowledge, I am not the father, of these children.

SAWYER: To the best of your knowledge?

KLEIN: The best of your knowledge.

SAWYER: That`s an intriguing phrase, best of your knowledge.

KLEIN: I can`t answer it any other way.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: "To the best of my knowledge"? Isn`t that something you would know? Raises all sorts of thoughts in my mind that I don`t want to think about.

Meantime, mystery still shrouds the topic of Michael`s final resting place. Where did the casket go after it was carted off-stage yesterday? Neverland.

Jermaine Jackson told Larry King he would like to see his brother buried there.



LARRY KING, HOST, "LARRY KING LIVE": Do you have a place for him here?

JERMAINE JACKSON: Yes. There`s a special place right over near the train station, right over there.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: But, according to Radar Online, Katherine Jackson, Michael`s mom, does not want her son`s body, or his ashes, for that matter, at Neverland.

So many twists and turns in the Jackson death probe. I want to hear what you have to say. But right now, straight out to my panel, expert panel: Jim Moret, attorney and chief correspondent for "Inside Edition"; Brian Oxman, former Jackson family attorney; Dr. Kathleen London, board- certified family practice physician; Jeff Brown, criminal defense attorney; Aphrodite Jones, author, "Michael Jackson Conspiracy"; Stacey Brown, author, "Michael Jackson: The Man Behind the Mask," out in paperback today.

Dr. London, let`s start with the big news. Spell it out for us. What does it mean when investigative sources tell CNN there were numerous, fresh and old, track marks on Michael Jackson`s arms, and the veins in both of his arms had collapsed?

DR. KATHLEEN LONDON, FAMILY PRACTICE PHYSICIAN: That`s indicative of very heavy I.V. drug use of any sort. It means the veins have been used a lot. This is what we see when we see drug addicts in the hospitals. It`s very difficult to put I.V.s in them, because they`ve used their veins up.

And if the veins collapse, it also means you`re dehydrated. You know, there were reports that he was also very thin. Interestingly, the thin skin and the lack of hair, the alopecia, you know, if he`s reported to have had lupus, those could be contributing, as well.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But the bottom line, when they say the veins have collapsed. You say they`ve been used up. I`m not exactly sure what you mean.

LONDON: It means that there was more than one occasion and very frequent use of I.V. drugs, whether by prescription or illicit drugs or whatever. It means that needles have gone in his arm repeatedly.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Brian Oxman, I want to go to you. You`re the former Jackson family attorney. Shortly after Michael Jackson`s tragic death, you came on this show, and you told us that you had knowledge of needle marks in Jackson`s body and explained that your knowledge stems to the trial -- stemmed back to the trial. You were criticized in some quarters for even talking about this.

Do you feel vindicated now that CNN has been told by investigative sources that needle marks were found up and down his arms?

BRIAN OXMAN, FORMER JACKSON FAMILY ATTORNEY: No, I don`t feel vindicated at all, Jane. I think that the LAPD is doing an excellent job of investigating this case. They`re going to tell us the results. All of these leaks, all of these speculations aren`t really going to help us one way or another.

The police are doing, I think, a class A job in finding out what happens. They`re serving subpoenas and search warrants. And when their investigation is done, I think we`re all going to know the truth. And that`s what we`re going to have to wait for.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You know, I have to wonder, Jim Moret, if the family doesn`t already know the truth. They had their own private autopsy done. The results should come back more quickly with a private autopsy on the toxicology results. They don`t have to go all through the official chain of custody issues. They probably know, don`t they?

JIM MORET, CORRESPONDENT, "INSIDE EDITION": Yes, they probably do. Maybe they don`t want to know, but they probably know. But you know, as to Brian`s statement, he also said to me a day or two after Michael Jackson`s death that, if you remember Anna Nicole, this will make that seem small in comparison. And frankly, what Brian said seems to be coming true.

But you know, as far as the LAPD, they are getting criticized in some quarters because they didn`t seal the area around that mansion immediately. And the moving vans were brought in, and a lot of -- a lot of stuff was taken out. Even though they got a search warrant four days later and took out two bags of drugs, who knows what else was taken out or moved or tampered with? So an investigation and a prosecution into the actual cause of death could be tainted in some way. At least, that`s what some criminal defense attorneys are telling me.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Jeff Brown, you talk about the Anna Nicole Smith case. And one of the parallels I see is when a star is friends with their doctors, we saw that in the Anna Nicole case, and we`re seeing it here, too. I`ve got a doctor. I`m not friends with any of them. I don`t hang out with them. I don`t visit their office and dance around.

JEFF BROWN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, that`s true. But as an Anna Nicole Smith, as you notice, there wasn`t a prosecution there. There`s a lot of hurdles they`re going to have to overcome. First, you`re going to have to find out from the toxicology reports that there are drugs in the system. Then you`re going to have to say those drugs were the cause of death.

Then the real hard part comes into this case. The question then becomes, how did those drugs get in his system? Is there a doctor there injecting them? So a doctor might have a reason here to see the injections and know that he`s doing too much? Or is Michael doing this on his own so a doctor doesn`t know the frequency. So it`s going to be really hard to take a doctor and put him into a criminal courtroom and say that there`s a manslaughter case here, unless you actually know what the doctor`s doing and there are witnesses seeing him do it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. You`re saying there was no prosecution. I mean, two doctors are facing charges in the Anna Nicole Smith case.

J. BROWN: Well, they`re facing the charges, but everybody in those cases realizes it`s a total uphill battle. That`s a case where I think the public made them bring those cases?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I don`t know. I don`t know about that. I don`t necessarily think it`s an uphill battle. Help me out here, buddy.


MORET (?): The word on the street in those cases, Jane...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Doctor London.

LONDON: We have DEA licenses. We have DEA licenses. We have an obligation to patients that that -- there`s no way that this is OK and that shouldn`t be brought to prosecution. Same with Anna Nicole Smith. The fact that they wrote prescriptions under false names, that they knew that they were giving too much of things.

I am friends with some of my patients. It doesn`t change how I prescribe to them.

J. BROWN: Right. The false names is one thing. But the question becomes here is these prescriptions, what`s the volume? How many prescriptions are they writing? That`s where this case will rest with Michael Jackson. If they`re getting prescriptions filled every other week...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Come on, we all saw how many drugs were in Anna Nicole Smith`s system and in her hotel room. I mean, how many thousands -- I don`t have the number in front of me. But there were pills, thousands of pills that were missing in a very small period of time or were still there. A lot of pills, more than one human being...

J. BROWN: But they don`t have the witnesses to say what she was taking and how frequently she was taking those pills.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I don`t want to...

LONDON: What about in this case?

J. BROWN: In case, it might be the issue. There`s a lot of these prescriptions, sure.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Doctor London?

LONDON: And also, the reports of Demerol being called into the pharmacy. I mean, it`s not a drug you can call in. So both the physician and the pharmacy are, you know, on the hook here, as far as I`m concerned. That`s absolutely illegal.

J. BROWN: And Jane -- Jane, I`d like the doctor to talk more about the Diprivan. Because what I understand about that drug is it`s a very quick-acting drug, and you`re unconscious within seconds and you wake up within 25 seconds. So I don`t know why they`re even prescribing that to him.

MORET: Well, and if the Diprivan is, in fact, found, and there are reports that it was, then that would almost require some criminal charges because frankly, there`s no reason for that to be used outside of a hospital. We`ve heard it from countless doctors.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. All right, everyone. Sit tight. Lots of shocking details to sort through.

Do you think we`ll ever really know what ultimately led to Michael Jackson`s death? Give me a holler: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297. Please, weigh in.

Then, my expert panel will analyze the real-life soap opera surrounding the custody of Jackson`s kids.

But first, even in death, drug rumors swirl around Michael Jackson. Back in 1993, the star addressed claims that he was a drug addict.


MICHAEL JACKSON, POP STAR: I remain out of the country. I have been undergoing treatment for dependency on pain medication. This medication was initially prescribed to sooth the excruciating pain that I was suffering after recent reconstructive surgery on my scalp.




UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just want to let you all know, you have been very, very supportive. And as you well know, Michael loves his fans more than anything. He has always said that his family is first and his fans are second.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Michael will forever live in all of our hearts.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: TMZ shooting that footage of Michael Jackson`s three sisters, La Toya, Rebbie, and Janet, addressing fans across the street from the memorial service at the smaller venue, the Nokia Theater.

What must they be going through as they await the official toxicology results? Or some have speculated, do they possibly already know the results from the private second autopsy?

And where, oh where, are Michael Jackson`s remains after they left Staples Center yesterday? We don`t know where they went. There`s even talk of a decoy casket. Where is Michael Jackson finally going to be laid to rest?

So many questions. Phone lines lighting up. Amy, your question or thought, ma`am?

CALLER: Hi, Jane.


CALLER: I think the different doctors and nurses that are going on national television revealing the treatments that might Michael received, that they gave him, and medicines he allegedly asked for, they should honestly be ashamed of themselves. Because whatever happened to doctor- patient confidentiality?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Very good point. Well, let`s hear from Dr. Arnie Klein, Jackson`s dermatologist, who says he was not one of the doctors involved in overprescribing Jackson. And he also said this to ABCs "Good Morning America." Listen.


SAWYER: And to the doctors you suspect are complicit in the addiction of someone like Michael Jackson, what do you say?

KLEIN: Well, I say they`re criminals. I was not one of the doctors who participated in giving him an overdose of drugs or too much of anything. In fact, I was the one who limited everything, who stopped everything.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Stacey Brown, author of "Michael Jackson: The Man Behind the Mask," give us a sense of this long, intricate, complicated relationship between Michael Jackson and this doctor, Arnie Klein.

All right. Are you there? How about Aphrodite Jones? You want to give it a shot?

APHRODITE JONES, AUTHOR, "MICHAEL JACKSON CONSPIRACY": I will answer you, Jane. First of all, his relationship with Arnold Klein, if you -- if you`ve noticed, he was with Arnold Klein right before he died, two days before he died.

STACEY BROWN, AUTHOR, "MICHAEL JACKSON: THE MAN BEHIND THE MASK" (via phone): I don`t believe anything Arnie Klein is saying, because he`s not credible.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Stacey, why don`t you start again? Because you were on the phone, and I don`t know what. Just start -- start from the top, dude.

S. BROWN: Well, my point, Jane, is that I don`t know how we take anything Arnie Klein says at face value, when he stumbles over the question as to whether or not he`s the father of these children or not.

You had it right at the top of the show. This man could not answer directly whether or not he was the father. Now, he`s denying that he`s one of the five doctors. Why should we believe him with that?

Also, one of the points that the panel, I`m sure knows and has talked about before, is Michael was given $48,000 a month in prescription -- he was spending $48,000 a month n prescription medication. It`s from a person who admitted to being an addict.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Brian Oxman, there was a lawsuit with a pharmacy in Beverly Hills, where they said he owed them more than $100,000 for less than two years of prescriptions. If you do the math, that`s something extraordinary, like $10,000 or something a month.

OXMAN: It was an extraordinary amount. And the interesting thing is, Jane, what you do is you simply subpoena Mickey Fine Pharmacy. That`s a public record, and they`re going to have to disclose who got those prescriptions, who paid for them, what credit cards. And then the roll comes out. Because you follow the money, you follow who was involved. And that`s the easiest way. That`s exactly what Attorney General Jerry Brown is going to do. That`s what he`s doing now, as to finding out who is involved.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Jim Moret, isn`t he using the same high-tech system that they used in the Anna Nicole Smith case?

MORET: As far as I know they are. And not only the attorney general but the DEA. You`re going to be able to follow the trail. And it`s just like Brian Oxford said. You follow the money.

If there are aliases used, if there was doctor-shopping going around. If Michael Jackson was going to one doctor, getting a prescription and then doubling it up with someone else. How much was prescribed over what period? If, in fact, it`s $48,000 a month, on its face, it sounds ridiculous. And it sounds like there`s a clear problem that somebody, at least at some point should have seen. If not the doctor, then certainly the pharmacy.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Dr. Kathleen London, people are raising this issue of anesthesia addiction. I`ve heard of a whole bunch of addictions in my life, but I`ve never heard of anesthesia addiction. And if it progresses, would you need more and more anesthetic to have the same results?

LONDON: Well, this is something that we don`t know. Because the only studies that have really been looked at are in animals and then in repeat surgeries.

So Diprivan or Propofol, the drug that we`re looking at in this case, the only times they`ve really looked at it are over a few days in cardiac patients in the intensive care unit. And in those settings, no. But when we`re talking months, years, we don`t know is the answer.

But more to the point that was asked earlier, yes, you have to give Diprivan by continuous infusion. Meaning, it needs to keep going in, because it works very quickly and it disappears very quickly. And that`s a big point. Because there`s no way he could have given it to himself that way.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. And we`ve got -- you know, we`ve got the stories that back in the `90s, he went on tour with an anesthesiologist and an I.V. drip.

Expert panel, stay right there. We will have much more on the very strange circumstances surrounding Michael Jackson`s death.

Then, a big break in the murder of NFL star Steve McNair. Cops now say he was a victim of a murder-suicide at the hands of his girlfriend, who was also found shot dead. I will have an update on this still developing story.




LARRY KING, HOST, "LARRY KING LIVE": Do you have a place for him here?

JERMAINE JACKSON: Yes. There`s a special place right over near the train station, right over there.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: With the Michael Jackson memorial over, millions of fans now asking where will the beloved pop star will be laid to rest. Radar Online reporting Jackson family members are in disagreement over a final resting place. Brother Jermaine wants Michaels` final resting place to be Neverland, even though California law prohibits burial on private property.

But Katherine, Michaels` mom, says no way. She feels Michael felt that Neverland had been tainted because of the molestation trial.

I`m back with my fantastic trial. Let me go straight out to Aphrodite Jones, who covered the trial with me, and with Jim Moret, as well. How was Neverland tainted by the raid? What exactly happened with the police raid? What did they do? What did they destroy?

JONES: Well, they destroyed everything in his house in terms of going through all of his personal items. There were 70 people that were from the Santa Barbara Sheriff`s Office that were taken and descended upon the property. It was more police force than in any given raid on a serial killer. So he felt violated on many levels.

But I`d like to go back, Jane, and address this business of the death investigation, because I am a crime journalist, as you know. And it`s my understanding that the L.A. superior court has issued three warrants. And what they`re trying to do is not only look at the five doctors in question now, but also look at reconstructing Michael Jackson`s past use of illicit drugs. Because at the end of the day, when we can call Dr. Murray perhaps the concierge doctor, somebody who is available and willing to be there for $150,000 a month to service a star like Michael Jackson.

We also might have to think of him as somebody who`s a scapegoat for all of the Doctor Feelgoods who came before him.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, those are excellent points. And we have to say, Dr. Murray, through his attorneys, has said he`s done absolutely nothing wrong. And we don`t even know if Dr. Murray, the doctor who was there when Michael Jackson collapsed, the doctor who tried to resuscitate him unsuccessfully, is one of the five doctors. You think it makes sense since he was there at the time of the death. We don`t know for sure who those five doctors were.

The stories about Jackson goes way back, Jackson and drugs. Take his world tour in the mid-90s. Sources tell CNN`s Dr. Sanjay Gupta that Jackson would travel with his own mini-medical clinic that included an I.V. drip pole and two doctors.

Here`s Dr. Gupta with Anderson Cooper. Listen to this first.


ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Is it odd to you as a medical doctor to have an anesthesiologist with somebody on a tour?

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Completely odd. No question. Very odd. And to have all that equipment, as well. I`ve never heard of such a thing.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, Aphrodite, your point?

JONES: Well, I was going to say, do you remember, you and I were together with Jim Moret for five months watching Michael every day during the trial. And one of the things we noticed over and over again was he seemed to be drugged. He seemed to be on something. And with commentary between all of us, I think, who watched him close up every day. At the same time, after those rumors, we now find out they`ve been substantiated, as you asked Brian Oxman earlier.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK, let me jump in here. Jim Moret, some days I thought he did seem out of it. Other days no.

MORET: Yes. I mean, I think that he was in pain some days and others less so. And I think Aphrodite`s right. There are, I think, two investigations here. One, related to the toxicology reports, the cause of death, and then the other is reconstructing, as Aphrodite said, this entire drug history. Two separate tracks, one wide net.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. We`re going to go to the custody battle next. So much there. Stay right there.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: An adorable 11-year-old vanishes without a trace. Lindsey Baum disappeared after walking home from a friend`s house and cops have no leads. In a cruel twist, Lindsey`s dad is set to be deployed to Iraq. Will Uncle Sam let him stay home and look for his precious daughter?

Plus, the latest on the mysterious murder of beloved NFL star Steve McNair. His bullet-riddled body found next to his dead girlfriend.

Turning now to what could become the custody battle of the century -- not kidding -- what will happen to Michael Jackson`s three precious kids? The "King of Pop`s" kids, Prince Michael, Paris and Blanket attended his memorial yesterday. Surrounded and comforted by the Jackson family on what must have been the hardest day of their young lives. Jackson`s daughter Paris unexpectedly gave a very touching eulogy to her dad.


PARIS JACKSON, MICHAEL JACKSON`S DAUGHTER: Ever since I was born, daddy has been the best father you could ever imagine. And I just want to say I love him so much.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: What an amazing statement; heart breaking and yet, inspiring. How articulate. How composed even though she cried. A rare look at how Michael Jackson`s kids saw him, simply as daddy.

But as the world watched, we wonder will Paris`s courageous words come into play this coming Monday at the custody hearing?

And the rumors remain, was Michael Jackson these children`s biological father? Dr. Arnold Klein, Jackson`s dermatologist attempted to squash the rumor that he is the bio dad on "Good Morning America" this morning.


DR. ARNOLD KLEIN, MICHAEL JACKSON`S DERMATOLOGIST: All I can tell you is best of my knowledge I am not the father of these children. I am telling you if push comes to shove, I can`t say anything about it. But to the best of my knowledge, I am not the father of these children.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: To the best of my knowledge, what exactly does that mean? Isn`t this something you would know one way or another? Plus, the question looms, will the oldest children, the mom of those two, Debbie Rowe fight for custody? Rowe did not attend the memorial service, but she did weep as she watched her daughter, Paris, speak about Michael Jackson.

Now TMZ says in a bizarre twist, Rowe -- you are looking at the photo right there -- watched the memorial outside where she could be photographed. Could yesterday`s outpouring of emotions sway Debbie Rowe`s decision on whether or not to seek custody? And why was she watching the memorial outside given that she just had a smack down with the paparazzi a couple of days ago.

Straight to my expert panel: back with Jim Moret, chief correspondent of "Inside Edition;" Brian Oxman, a former Jackson family attorney; on the phone Stacy Brown, author of "Michael Jackson: The Man Behind the Mask;" Aphrodite Jones, author of the "Michael Jackson Conspiracy;" Judy Kuriansky -- Dr. Judy, clinical psychologist.

Dr. Judy you watched this little girls emotional remarks. Remarkable composure nevertheless event organizers say this was totally unplanned. The Jackson family, they were going to say something and they didn`t expect it to be the kids. And suddenly they were huddled around her. And she started talking.

Did it appear clear to you that these kids are at ease and comfortable with the Jackson clan? And should they stay with them and matriarch Katherine?

DR. JUDY KURIANSKY, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, what seemed pretty obvious to me, Jane, is the fact that little Paris, 11-year-old girl turned mostly to Janet Jackson who embraced her. And Janet was the one standing by her and who said, "It`s ok, baby," if you read her lips. And then afterwards, "It`s ok speak up," she also said beforehand.

And so I think it`s very, very telling that there`s a bond that will forever be formed and kept between Paris and her aunt, Janet.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I think that`s a fascinating observation. Brian Oxman, it did strike me as well that wow, why didn`t Michael Jackson say, if anything happened to Katherine or she didn`t want to take care of the kids that Janet would be the guardian?

BRIAN OXMAN, FORMER JACKSON FAMILY ATTORNEY: Latoya Jackson has always had the great affinity toward Paris. She has been I don`t know, she just has a real kind of kindness toward her. What you saw yesterday Jane is that it goes to all three Jackson women, it goes to Rebbie, who is the oldest, to Janet who is the youngest and Latoya.

These three women are now going to be dominant here. And I`m not surprised, because the Jackson women have always been dominant in this family.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Debbie Rowe when asked last week to a local Los Angeles reporter that she wanted her kids, then her lawyer said, "I`m still was deciding. I haven`t made up my mind." Rowe didn`t attended the memorial but she did watched and broke down crying when her daughter Paris gave that heart-wrenching tribute to daddy, Michael Jackson.

And first of all Jim Moret, I found it extremely odd that she was outside watching the memorial where she could be photographed, given the fact that she had that smack down with the paparazzi just a couple days ago that we had discussed.

Why would she do that? Was it a maneuver to show that she was compassionate or could it be that this is something that was a spontaneous real emotion on her part? She just happened to be outside and she`s now having second thoughts about whether or not to seek custody.

JIM MORET, CHIEF CORRESPONDENT, "INSIDE EDITION": Look, I don`t want to look into her motivation. I mean, we`ve heard speculation. The fact is, what we did see is a very brave young girl, 11 years old, wanted to make it very clear to everyone who was watching that she loves her daddy. This is her dad, he`s gone.

And what did we see? We saw that whole family embrace those three children. Those kids are obviously loved. They are cared for. Michael Jackson said he wanted his mom to take care of those kids. And even though there is a custodial preference given to the biological mother and she does have rights, then I`m hopeful that the court will go and give these kids to Katherine.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, I`m hopeful that Debbie Rowe might just decide, given that comment or that whole scene of the Jackson huddling around and the fact that she cried -- I personally I`m hoping that she`s coming to her senses and saying, "You know what, I`m not going to go after these kids. I`m going to let them stay with the family they`ve grown comfortable with."

Michael Jackson met Debbie Rowe at his dermatologist`s office where she was an assistant. "Good Morning America`s" Diane Sawyer asked Dr. Arnold Klein, if he thought Debbie should get custody.


KLEIN: I can`t make those answers because should have and will are two different things. But I will tell you one thing this has nothing to do with, whatever. These are brilliant children and I want them in no way to be harmed because these are great, wonderful, fabulous children whom he loved deeply.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: So he kind of skirted that question.

Dr. Judy, Kuriansky, what do you make of the fact that he really refused to answer flat out whether or not he was the bio dad of Michaels kids? Saying to the best of my knowledge -- frankly the first thing I thought of was that he was a sperm donor who put his sperm in some kind of a freeze bank and didn`t really know what happened to it after that.

DR. KURIANSKY: That is legal speak. It is such an obvious, to me, psychological way of his darting the question as you said. And his way, you can always say to the best of my knowledge and have something that you`re hiding there. It`s pretty obvious to me that he was lying -- and just by watching his eyes -- there`s lots of psychological research by the way about how people`s eyes shift when they are talking.

Whether you can tell that they are not telling the truth.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I don`t know that we could say that. And we have to give him the benefit of the doubt. I can`t think that we can use that as the criteria to decide whether or not he`s lying.

But it is very odd. And it brings to mind a lot of thoughts that I really do not want to think about.

Cindy in Hawaii you`ve been very patient, your question or thought, ma`am.

CINDY, HAWAII (via telephone): Yes I have a question. When the dermatologist was asked if he was the father of Jackson kids and he replied, no, to the best of my knowledge could that be because the dermatologist and nurse Debbie Rowe were sleeping together?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, ouch. We can never make that assumption. You know, there`s that old song, "Who knows what`s going on behind closed doors."

But Stacy Brown, again, this trio of Debbie Rowe and Arnie Klein and Michael Jackson go way, way back.

STACY BROWN, AUTHOR (via telephone): Well, it definitely does go way, way back. And as recently as in the last few months Michael was photographed going in and out of Dr. Klein`s office. So we talked a lot about Dr. Conrad but Dr. Klein has been around for years as Brian Oxman would know. And recently he`s been going in and out.

And it also could be, Jane, that Dr. Klein is suddenly loving the spotlight being thrust on him. So if he gives evasive answers, well maybe Jane Velez-Mitchell will call him next and maybe someone else from CNN will call him.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I don`t understand, Brian Oxman, why he`s even talking at this juncture. There`s an investigation as to how Michael Jackson died. The whole world is hearing about all these meds found at the house. He`s the doctor who was the closest to Michael Jackson. I would think you`d want to lay low at this time unless the dust settled.

OXMAN: Good point. Good point, Jane. And the bottom line is, Michael Jackson always said these are his kids, biological, every other way that there could possibly be. He always said they are his...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Brian, Brian, Brian, come on.

KURIANSKY: Yes, but that can`t be so and not only that, the kids themselves are going to want to know who is the biological daddy and who`s biological mommy.


KURIANSKY: So they`ve got two things going for them. Mommies and daddies that they don`t know where the biology comes from and they don`t know where the love is coming.

OXMAN: Let them have their own choice there. Let them have their own choice.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Aphrodite, weigh in here.

APHRODITE JONES, AUTHOR OF THE "MICHAEL JACKSON CONSPIRACY": Let me weigh in and say this, Michael Jackson was married to Debbie Rowe at the time that Prince and Paris are born. That means that marriage producing two children whether she be a surrogate mom or the biological mom; it entitles Michael to be their legal father and Debbie Rowe to be their legal mother.

So let`s not forget that in the law.

OXMAN: Aphrodite is absolutely right, that is absolutely right.

KURIANSKY: Legalities put aside this is a psychological issue too we know that kids who are adopted, kids who are born from different surrogacy situations they always wants to know what`s their background is. At some point in their life...


JONES: They may want to know their backgrounds...

KURIANSKY: And they want to know it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, we`ve got to go.

KURIANSKY: That`s why we`re interested.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Right, I want to thank my excellent panel.

A medical examiner confirms NFL star Steve McNair killed by his girlfriend before she killed herself. Now, everybody wants to know why she committed this horrific act.

An 11-year-old girl vanishes and her dad makes an emotional plea for her return but he says he`d be deployed to Iraq. What? With a child missing is that fair? Should the government step in and let the dad stay home to search for his precious daughter?

Give me a holler, 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297. Please sound off.


Now, to the frantic search for an adorable Washington girl missing for almost two weeks. Lindsey Baum vanished without a trace as she simply walked home after visiting a friend four blocks away. It was a route she took time and time again. But this time, she didn`t make it home.

Yesterday was her 11th birthday.

Now this makes it worse. Her father, Scott Baum, could be deployed to Iraq at any moment without knowing the fate of his own daughter.


SCOTT BAUM, MISSING GIRL`S FATHER: I would love nothing more than to see my daughter before I have to go. So, please, if you know anything, contact the hot lines, contact any 911 centers. Please, bring me my daughter home before I have to leave.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: The National Guard offering no word yet on whether they will send Lindsey`s dad to Iraq, but insisting they`re supporting Scott at this time.

Is this really possible that the U.S. government is going to deploy a man whose 11-year-old daughter is missing and unaccounted for? When he wants to search for her? That seems incomprehensible to me.

How can anybody serve in a danger zone half a world away when they`re frantic over the fate of their precious beautiful little daughter?

Straight out to my expert panel: Steve Kardian, former criminal investigator and director of Defend University; Rebecca Rose Woodland, a criminal defense attorney; and Dave Haviland, news director at News Talk 1450 WKBW in Aberdeen, Washington.

Dave, you have been tracking this case from the very start. What is the very latest?

DAVID HAVILAND, NEWSTALK 1450 WKBW (via telephone): Well, the latest, so far in the Grays Harbor County Sheriff`s Department tells us that they have not received any further clues. They are continuing to investigate and follow up on tips that they`re receiving through the tip line.

One of the things that had stood out was there was some video footage from a nearby Shell station that could have captured something to do with the case. And they are still reviewing that for possible leads. They are following up on everyone that they`re seeing in that video footage from that night.

So far, they are just continuing the investigation. They have, obviously transitioned to more of an abduction-type investigation than the criminal end of it. The search and rescue efforts for Lindsey have tapered considerably.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Lindsey`s mom devastated. She called cops almost immediately after her little girl didn`t come home by her 10:00 p.m. curfew.

Listen to this.


MELISSA BAUM, MISSING GIRL`S MOM: What if it was your son or daughter or your niece or your nephew or mother that was missing and there was no trace of what had happened to them. What if I knew where they were or what if I knew some information and I didn`t go forward and say something?


VELEZ-MITCHELL: The FBI says that it`s likely Lindsey was abducted by somebody she knew. Not a stranger. Nobody was heard screaming. No dropped shoes. No evidence of a struggle. No evidence of anything.

Steve Kardian, statistics show most kids are abducted by somebody they know, correct?

STEVE KARDIAN, FORMER CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR: Yes, Jane. In less than one-half of 1 percent of the time in childhood abductions, it`s a non- custodial manner or someone that the child does not know. So you`re absolutely correct. Yes, it`s very rare.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Rebecca Rose Woodland, how is it possible that they`re going to send the dad off to fight in Iraq when his daughter is missing? I just don`t get that. I mean, that strikes me as exceptionally ill-advised -- I don`t want to say callous but yes, callous. Let me say it.

REBECCA ROSE WOODLAND, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Jane, I agree. You know, I`m hoping that someone steps in on behalf of this man and asks the National Guard and asks the government to please give him some time. Let`s give him some time so that he doesn`t` have to make -- there are legal arguments he can make to put off his deployment. But maybe someone could step in on behalf of the military and grant him what we would say, I guess, is a bit of time.

Let`s just give him an opportunity to further the search. Possibly, you know, the father and mother are quite interested in this case. And usually, they are the people that are very active in the search efforts and the grassroots efforts.

We have the FBI involved, of course. We have the sheriff`s department. But they are also going to be active by walking around the town and asking people to please try to remember.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, absolutely.

WOODLAND: So let`s hope that -- let`s plead with the national military organizations to step in, intervene and give this man some time.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. If you`re listening whoever the big boss is, just let him stay and look for his daughter.

Dave Haviland, though, he was getting divorced from the mother. They lived apart. He lived in Tennessee. She`s in Washington State. And apparently the child was upset about the finalization of the divorce.

HAVILAND: That is correct. There had been some arguments there. There were some arguments on that night.

She was meant to be staying the night at a friend`s house. She had gone to the friend`s house and at the last minute the parents of the friend said that, "No you can`t stay the night here," and sent her home.

She had someone walking home with her for part of the walk and then was separated from them so there`s about a questionable three blocks in the walk home where nobody was with her and nobody saw her.

And in that the police are asking anyone that may have seen something.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, absolutely. Stay right there. More on this harrowing story in just a moment.

We`ll be right back with the latest.



S. BAUM: What I`m here today to do is to appeal to everybody out there watching to please bring my daughter home. I`m fixing to deploy to Iraq and tomorrow is her birthday. I would love nothing more than to see my daughter before I have to go.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: The devastated dad of missing Lindsey Baum pleads for her safe return as he waits to possibly be sent to Iraq any day now. Tennessee National Guard not letting him off the hook yet. And we`re kind of wondering why not.

Phone lines lighting up. Dawn, North Carolina; your question or thought, ma`am?

DAWN, NORTH CAROLINA (via telephone): Well, first I would like to say that I hope that this girl returns home safe. But second, the military any branch of the service -- as an army wife I`m speaking -- they`re not going to send this gentleman overseas if he`s not 100 percent capable.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, why haven`t they let him off the hook then? Dave Haviland, you`re covering this story. What do you know? What`s the latest?

HAVILAND: The Tennessee National Guard, I haven`t contacted the Tennessee National Guard on their policies. But given the divorce, I know that a standard procedure would be if there`s a custody issue and they were the sole person in custody of the child but in a case like this, with a divorce and there`s another parent able to watch the child, I don`t know if it would be...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You`re saying because he hasn`t seen her in a year apparently? I don`t know that that means he doesn`t care though, Rebecca.

WOODLAND: Right. This is what I was thinking. Also, what the caller is saying is that psychologically if he`s not capable or ready to go, that the military will take that into account. We`ve heard this in other cases.

So what he needs to do is call the people at the National Guard and say, "Look, I cannot go. I don`t feel capable physically, psychologically. I need to look for my daughter. I will not be in the right state of mind to be deployed to Iraq at this point in time."


KARDIAN: Jane, I know many members of law enforcement from various branches of law enforcement who have been deployed to Iraq and returned home to their families for a variety of different reasons. I don`t think they`re going to deploy him.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Dave Haviland, what is the latest? You said that she was seen walking back with someone. Has that person been questioned? I know the mom has taken a polygraph. Have they narrowed this at all?

HAVILAND: That`s one of the last contacts that have been made with Lindsey before she disappeared was that she was walking back with her brother. There was a little bit of a disagreement between the two and then he walked in a different direction. They split up and that`s the last that was seen of her.


Well, I`m sure he was doing the best he can as a big brother to find her.

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