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ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Sketch Released in Playboy Model`s Murder
Aired February 2, 2010 - 19:00:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, the face of a killer. Is this the man who murdered gorgeous Paula Sladewski. The former "Playboy" model was found burning in a Dumpster. Now, we finally have a sketch. Cops say Paula was last seen leaving the Miami night club with this man.
Now, a stunning new twist. Paula`s boyfriend reportedly claims this sketch looks just like the guy who grabbed Paula on the dance floor. Why are we just getting this information now?
And inside Phillip Garrido`s twisted world. This sick rapist is accused of kidnapping and raping Jaycee Dugard for 18 hellish years, producing two daughters. Tonight, a very special guest joins ISSUES with brand-new insight. Katie Calloway was kidnapped and raped by this very same monster years earlier. So how did she survive? We`ll go inside her living nightmare.
Plus, a shocking new twist in the desperate search for Susan Powell. The Utah mom vanished nearly two months ago. Her husband skipped town in January. So why has he suddenly returned home? And why did cops seize his minivan?
ISSUES starts now.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, a blockbuster break in the "Playboy" model murder case. Police have finally released a sketch of the man they say might have been the last person to see Paula Sladewski alive. Might even have been the one that killed her. Look at this. The detail is chilling.
Cops describe this man as a stocky, six-foot-tall, light-skinned black male. They say this man was allegedly seen leaving the downtown Miami nightclub with Paula Sladewski on the morning of January 3. So this is a potential suspect right here, this individual. And it`s a huge development.
Meantime, Paula`s own sister says -- get this -- the sketch fits the description, given to her by Paula`s boyfriend, of a man seen grabbing at Paula inside the club that very night. Listen to this.
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KELLY FARRIS, PAULA SLADEWSKI`S SISTER: It looks like the person what Kevin had described to me of a guy who came up on the dance floor in Club Space when Kevin had walked upstairs and came back down. And my sister was dancing, and he came up behind her and grabbed her by the waist and started talking in her ear.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wait a minute. That`s the first we`ve heard of this. Did authorities know about this night club grab? If so, why didn`t they tell us that when they appeared on our show, ISSUES, numerous times over the past month.
Then there`s this surveillance footage from HLN affiliate WFOR. It appears to show Paula`s boyfriend, Kevin Klym, desperately searching for her in the wee hours of January 4 at a downtown Miami convenience store.
But tragically, Paula`s body had already been discovered in a Dumpster on fire. While Kevin was searching for her, authorities were trying to identify the mystery corpse.
Also tonight, we are getting new details about a mystery car in police hands. We`ll investigate this, as well. Is this case finally coming together? Will this family find justice?
I am taking your calls. What are your theories? Here`s the number: 1-877-JVM-SAYS. That`s 1-877-586-7297.
Straight out to my fantastic expert panel. We`re delighted to have with us the one and only Judge Larry Seidlin of Florida. Judge Seidlin presided over the Anna Nicole Smith body custody trial, a very emotional and compelling case. Pat Brown, criminal profiler, CEO, Pat Brown Criminal Profiling Agency. Jayne Weintraub, criminal defense attorney, based in Miami. Steve Rogers, detective lieutenant in the Nutley, New Jersey, Police Department. And Michelle Sigona, investigative reporter, founder, MichelleSigona.com. And we are honored to have on the phone Thomas Bussell, Paula`s brother.
Hold on one second, Thomas. We want to get to you, but we want to start with Michelle Sigona. We understand you have some new information. What is the very latest, Michelle?
MICHELLE SIGONA, FOUNDER, MICHELLESIGONA.COM: I talked with the lieutenant from the North Miami Police Department about an hour and a half ago, Jane. And what he told me is that the sketch that was released was based off of one person`s account, someone who came forward and was able to give them such detail. I mean, the sketch is extremely detailed. And with enough information to be able to create that so they are able to release that to the public.
I asked him about the surveillance from inside the club that night. But he said that their police department was not the ones that released that particular footage. That was actually Kevin`s attorney who gave that out to the public. It`s very grainy and, unfortunately, police, where Paula`s body was found at the Dumpster, there were no surveillance cameras in the area at that time. They are, in fact, looking into some vehicles that were -- that were also known to be in the area, but he couldn`t go into too much detail.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, Thomas, I want to ask you about what you said when you appeared on ISSUES last month. You mentioned how you doubted that your sister would just walk away with a stranger she didn`t know. Let`s listen to what you said.
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THOMAS BUSSELL, PAULA SLADEWSKI`S BROTHER: She just walked out by herself and, what, just picked up some John Doe off the street? No way.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: But now, Thomas, we`re hearing that it could have been this man on the dance floor, who according to your sister was told by Paula`s boyfriend had approached Paula and grabbed her from behind on the dance floor and whispered in her ear.
Now, perhaps this man, if it`s the same person, saw that the boyfriend, Kevin, was 86`d and saw that she was alone and approached her again or possibly followed her out. What are your thoughts, Thomas?
BUSSELL (via phone): I think you just drove the nail home. That`s exactly what happened. I said from the beginning she was stalked. She`s a beautiful young woman and, you know, a lot of men wanted her, and Paula didn`t just give herself to just any man. You can tell that she cared about herself by her appearance and the way she took care of herself.
But at least we got a footage of this animal, this pathetic -- he`s a pathetic-looking monster. I`ll tell you that much. And somebody knows him. Somebody down there in Miami knows him. They know his name. There`s 15 grand sitting right there for you. It`s all yours.
He`s got an enemy, I guarantee you. Because scum bags like this, you know, they do things to people, and it catches up to them. So there`s somewhere out there, there`s an enemy looking at his picture, and they`re thinking, "Should I" -- come on forward. Make an anonymous tip. If it leads to an arrest, you got the money. It`s all yours. That`s how we feel as a family.
I think you drove it home. You hit the nail in the head. He stalked her. He seen she was alone. That`s why I`m so frustrated with Kevin, because he left her there. If he would have stuck around, he could have protected her, you know? So let`s not get into that. It`s a whole other argument, but you drove it home, Jane. You drove it home.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Thomas, let me ask you this follow-up, because you`ve been on our show when we had lieutenant Cuevas on our show. And I`m not trying to criticize the police. They`re working very, very hard on this case.
But you and I both were there when we asked him over and over again, could this be somebody from inside the club? And he said that they didn`t have, really, any information that it was somebody from inside the club. All they knew was that it was a mystery man who left with her outside the club. But now we`re hearing that Kevin says this guy approached her on the dance floor.
Now here`s my big issue. There must have been some kind of giant communication gap between witnesses and police. I mean, let`s listen again to what Paula Sladewski`s sister says about this new sketch.
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FARRIS: It looks like what Kevin had described to me of the guy who came up on the dance floor in Club Space when Kevin had walked upstairs and came back down. And my sister was dancing, and he came up behind her and grabbed her by the waist and started talking in her ear.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
VELEZ-MITCHELL: So Thomas, did -- to your knowledge, did police know about this dance floor grab? And if so, how come they didn`t express that when you were asking them about it?
BUSSELL: Well, yes, Kevin told me about that scenario. Because like I said, I talked to him weeks ago, as soon as he came back to Michigan. I talked to him. I knew about that scenario. And, you know, whether or not he told the cops, there`s a lot of things they couldn`t tell, you know? Until this sketch came out. Because they didn`t want to scare the guy off.
You know, I believe there was a witness, someone that this monster has tried to abduct in the past. Because if you look at this sketch, man. It almost looks like a mug shot. You know...
VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s like a Norman Rockwell painting.
BUSSELL: Exactly. This dude is an ugly-looking monster. And I`m telling you, people know who he is. We`re going to get him.
But I think they`re afraid. You know, Miami, it`s only 40 miles to the Bahamas, you know, so we`ve got to -- they had -- the police, they had a lot of stuff, but they just couldn`t come out and tell it, because they don`t want this guy running.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right.
BUSSELL: So now -- now they just -- the picture is out. Somebody knows who he is. And that`s what we`re pleading for as a family. You know, thank God for your show and the other medias that`s helping us. We`re actually feeling like we`re getting one step closer, because we have a picture of what did this to Paula, and now we can go after it, you know?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Judge Seidlin, you presided over many, many cases in that area. Quickly, do you think that this sketch will help find a killer?
LARRY SEIDLIN, JUDGE: I think with your show bringing the intensity upon this suspect, and the police are watching this case. They`re examining all the elements.
I spoke to a couple of my friends at that police department. They`re on top of this case. The media is putting a lot of pressure. They want a result, and they want to do a good job. And when the media looks at a case, it causes much more attention by the police and all law enforcement agencies. I think they`re going to get this guy. I think this guy was stalking her in that club, and more guests of that club are going to have to be examined and interviewed.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. More on the desperate search for a killer, and we`re taking your calls. We`ve got some lined up. Hang in there. We`re going to come to you after the break: 1-877-JVM-SAYS.
Plus, a very special guest. Katie Calloway was kidnapped and raped by Phillip Garrido. And tonight, she shares with us here on ISSUES her amazing story of survival.
But first, a heartbroken family desperate for answers. Could this new sketch lead to Paula Sladewski`s killer?
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PATSY WATKINS, PAULA`S MOTHER: They`ve got to find who did this to my baby. They`ve got to find who did this.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I bet they will. I have a feeling.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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FARRIS: This is great. Thank you to whoever came forward and gave this information. Thank you, thank you, thank you very much.
You can run and you can hide, but you can`t run and hide forever. I mean, your face is out here now. And you need to pay for what you did.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Paula Sladewski`s sister, determined to find her killer.
The details of this brand-new sketch so vivid. Could this mean cops are hot on the trail of a man who knows what happened to the beautiful "Playboy" model, and in fact could be her killer?
Phone lines lighting up. Debbie, Massachusetts, your question or thought, ma`am?
CALLER: Hi, Jane. I understand that they found -- that this sketch may very well be the person they`re looking for. And if it is, he does need to be brought to justice.
However, I`m concerned that the sister made a statement, I believe, that this looks like the person that the boyfriend Kevin described. Now, I`m confused. Did the sister see the guy, too? And if she hadn`t, how can she make a comment that it looks like the sketch?
I can say I saw somebody 6`3", blond hair, blue eyes and show you a picture, and you`d say, "Yes, it looks like him." And it could be 50 million people in the country.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I think you raised some good points, Debbie. And we`re going to go to Pat Brown, criminal profiler, on that.
PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: I agree with Debbie. You have to be very careful with these composite sketches. They`re very useful. I love them. And we want to look at this guy and say do we know this guy? Somebody out there, do you know him?
But you also have to be aware that might not be exactly accurate. So you want to think, do you know somebody else at that club who acted strange who you think might have been involved?
And I want to point something else out about the club. You know, the way people dance these days, just because a guy came up behind her and danced behind her isn`t a big thing these days. That is the pattern of dancing in clubs. Lots of guys do that. One after the other come up behind you and dance with you. So that doesn`t mean necessarily that guy was stalking her.
So we have to be careful. It might have been somebody who followed her out. Somebody else might have been -- met her on the street and she walked off with him. Somebody might -- maybe the guy bothered her and somebody tried to save her from him. It`s all kinds of possibilities.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I agree that we shouldn`t put on blinders, but Thomas, Paula`s brother, the victim`s brother, what did you want to say?
BUSSELL: Well, I`m sorry, I think she`s read a few too many books. The reason my man said that to us is simply because he seen him. He seen him. And he stepped in between them. And that`s why he got thrown out. That`s why he was escorted, trying to separate them two.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, wait a minute. This is new information. Thomas, you`re saying...
BUSSELL: Yes, there`s a lot you don`t know. Sure. I`m saying Kevin separated him from Paula. That`s why he was escorted out.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: So in other words, the fight that everybody has been talking about between Paula and her boyfriend wasn`t just a fight because they were drinking; they were fighting over nothing. They were fighting over this guy who wanted to dance with Paula, and Kevin, being the boyfriend, said, "Unh-uh."
BUSSELL: Kevin was getting in the way. Yes, he was getting in the way. That`s all that was.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, the...
BUSSELL: And that`s why he was escorted out. And I think some people at the club know who this guy is. He frequents there. And this person that`s come forward, I`m guessing it`s a victim who he`s tried to do it to, and she got away. That`s why the composite is so good.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, here`s something fascinating. We`re getting some -- this is new information that we`re developing as we speak here on ISSUES.
Steve Rogers, you`re a police officer and an investigator. When they say that they got this sketch off of one person, does that make you concerned at all that, well, maybe this one person is lying?
Or does it mean that there`s -- that there`s one person who knows a lot about this? Or does it mean that this one person could possibly be the boyfriend, even though he`s considered a person of interest, but they`re not identifying him as the person who`s giving the sketch, even though -- because they believe he`s not involved, even though he`s technically still a person of interest?
STEVE ROGERS, DETECTIVE LIEUTENANT, NUTLEY, NEW JERSEY, POLICE DEPARTMENT: Well, Jane, I believe the -- this is a very detailed sketch indeed. And I believe that there were other people the police interviewed to corroborate that this is what the person looks like.
A composite this detailed is not just from one person. So perhaps a basic composite was developed, and then they began to show this composite to other individuals. And I`m sure you`re going to find out soon that there are more witnesses that are coming forward.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I really think it`s fascinating now that this isn`t some just wild stranger abduction. And Thomas has been arguing that the whole time.
And now we`re hearing that this guy was the cause of the fight that Kevin and Paula got into that resulted in Kevin being 86`d, and then Paula was thrown out or asked to leave 20 minutes later. And it makes perfect sense that this guy could have followed her out or even said, "Hey, your boyfriend is a jerk. I`ll give you a ride home."
ROGERS: Jane, Thomas` point is very well taken. Now that we discovered this information on your program, there are other people who were in that club who perhaps saw this altercation and now, with this heightened awareness, they may just come forward.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let`s hope they do. If you`re at home and you were one of the 500 or more people at Club Space right after New Year`s, the morning of January 3, or the night of January 2, please come forward.
Rhonda in Tennessee, your question or thought?
CALLER: Hi, yes, my question is really, you know, is there drugs involved in all this? Just about everything we`ve seen with Casey Anthony, the little girl that she killed, there was drugs involved there.
With this little Gabriel baby, he seems to be spaced out of his head. A child should not look like he`s been drinking. You know, is there drugs involved here, is my question.
And also, I want to say my admiration towards you for your years of sobriety. I am a recovering addict myself.
CALLER: I just -- I`ve got five years.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Congratulations. Congratulations on your sobriety.
CALLER: I wonder, is there drugs having to do with all of this, because it`s...?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Rhonda, excellent, excellent question.
Jayne Weintraub, we had Judge Karen on our show the other night. And she said this area -- this club is known for drugs. A lot of the cases she covers are for people in this club having problems with alcohol or drugs.
JAYNE WEINTRAUB, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: That`s true. I mean, it`s -- but it`s in a very bad neighborhood. It`s right off of downtown Miami, Jane.
And to say something, you know, I mean, that`s just a wild assumption. Obviously, people are very drunk by 7 in the morning after drinking and partying all night. But we don`t know if this was -- if the motive behind this is drugs. I doubt that very seriously.
And as far as the police are concerned, although, you know, I also want to agree with the earlier caller. Although the sketch is remarkably detailed, the dangers of a mis-I.D. here are great.
WEINTRAUB: And it`s a good thing that they have the witnesses and the forensics that they`re working on from these cars and other places, of fibers or hair from the girl.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Got it. All right.
WEINTRAUB: That`s where you`re going to solve the case.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Everyone, stay right where you are. Murder in Miami.
Plus, surviving a monster. Phillip Garrido accused of kidnapping and raising Jaycee Dugard for 18 long years, raping her. Tonight we`re going to go inside Phillip Garrido`s twisted past, talking to another one of his victims. How did she escape her nightmare? We`ll tell you.
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WATKINS: I lost my baby. She was only 26 years old. I`m just so mad that somebody out there knows something, that my little girl left with somebody. I`m just so angry.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: That mother wants to find out who killed her beautiful daughter. We`re trying to find out.
Let`s get to the mystery car now reportedly in police hands. The car was apparently seen in the area of the North Miami Dumpster where Paula`s charred body was found. Now, the car was abandoned on January 12, and now cops are trying to determine if that car is connected to the case.
So Michelle Sigona, what do we know about this car?
SIGONA: Well, this is something that investigators are obviously looking into, as you mentioned, Jane. And it`s not something that they can say right now at this point that this is, in fact, connected to Paula`s case or that it`s not.
And also, it may be something that they`re holding back for a reason, because if they don`t get the leads that they need on this particular sketch, this is another new nugget that they can come out with in another few weeks from now. And you`ll see this. You and I see this all the time, these investigations, is new nuggets come out as the case dies down.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And by the way, that`s not the car. It`s not necessarily a red car. That`s just a generic car. We`re saying that there`s a car that was seen near the Dumpster. We don`t know what kind of car it was.
Wendell in Alabama, I understand you have actually been to this club, Club Space?
CALLER: Yes, I have. I sure have. How you doing? I agree with the brother. I`ve been clubbing all my life. The bouncer kicks out the boyfriend. He goes up to the girl. It`s like (UNINTELLIGIBLE) In these clubs, these chicks need bouncers, because these bouncers are evil people. They kick out guys and, you know, so they can hook up with their girlfriends. And I think it`s what happened in their club.
Now, see clubs, I know Club Space. There`s a lot of drug activity in Club Space, in all clubs. (UNINTELLIGIBLE) They need to take a good look at these bouncers in nightclubs.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I think you raise some important points. And we have to say that we invite Club Space, we contacted them, tried to contact them many times. We haven`t heard back. We would love to have Club Space on to tell their side of the story. You have an open invitation.
But I`ve got to go back to Paula`s brother Thomas and ask you, this is what you were saying all along.
BUSSELL: Yes. You know, there was no mystery to it. And there`s still stuff that, like, whoever said, there`s nuggets. There`s nuggets, and you know, I said it the last time I was on your show, Jane.
If those North Miami cops weren`t standing around scratching their heads, I mean, we as a family knew that, and they -- I`m sure they could feel our pain. They want this scumbag off the streets as bad as any of us do.
BUSSELL: It`s frustrating, because, you know, they`re not telling us anything either. In my heart, I can feel it. You know what I mean?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: But they do that to preserve the -- but they do that to preserve the integrity of the investigation. They always have to hold things back. They`re not going to release everything. Because then later, defense lawyers will attack them for it.
BUSSELL: Club Space will not come on your show. And I challenge them to come on your show and answer some of these questions. You heard what my man just said. It is what it is. You don`t have to be a rocket scientist to figure out what happened to Paula. She was stalked, followed out, with my man`s tongue hanging down to his chin.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Thomas...
BUSSELL: He couldn`t get away, that`s all.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thomas, we want you -- we want to solve this case. And we want to help you.
Next, the amazing story of a brave woman, brutally raped.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Inside Phillip Garrido`s twisted world. This sick rapist is accused of kidnapping and raping Jaycee Dugard for 18 hellish years, producing two daughters. Tonight, a very special guest joins ISSUES with brand new insight. Katie Callaway was kidnapped and raped by this very same monster years earlier. So how did she survive? We`ll go inside her living nightmare.
Plus, a shocking new twist in the desperate search for Susan Powell; the Utah mom vanished nearly two months ago. Her husband skipped town in January. So why has he suddenly returned home. And why did cops seize his minivan?
That is next.
But first: breaking news in our "Top of the Block" tonight.
This just in: Michael Jackson`s doctor reportedly going to turn himself in within 48 hours. Dr. Conrad Murray allegedly provided Michael Jackson with the powerful knockout drug Propofol just before Michael Jackson`s tragic death. A spokesperson for Dr. Murray released a statement saying, quote, "Dr. Murray is more than ready to surrender and answer to any charges."
Here`s the thing. Prosecutors have not announced any charges just yet. And they have given no instructions for Dr. Murray to turn himself in. However, an announcement is expected. It`s imminent. It could be as early as tomorrow.
We obviously don`t know what the charges will be, but early reports indicate Dr. Murray could be facing involuntary manslaughter. We`re all over this story. We will have the very latest for you tomorrow right here on ISSUES.
That is tonight`s "Top of the Block".
And also tonight: inside Jaycee Dugard`s hell. She was kidnapped and held captive for 18 long years. Tonight, rare insight into what her hellish life might have been like from Phillips Garrido`s first victim.
Years before he allegedly grabbed little Jaycee, Garrido approached Katie Callaway in a California parking lot. He asked her for a ride. She graciously agreed. The next thing you know, he had her in handcuffs. He took her to a mini-warehouse where he brutally raped her. She courageously escaped but not before noticing a bone chilling detail.
Listen to this.
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KATIE CALLAWAY-HALL, PHILLIP GARRIDO`S VICTIM: He took me to a mini- warehouse. It was probably six by 12, you know, about the size of a very small one-car garage. And in the back part of the mini-warehouse where he had me he had -- he had it set up to keep someone for a while. He had a mattress...
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: A foreshadowing of horrors to come. Garrido was convicted of kidnapping and rape. But get this -- they let him out after serving just over ten years of a 50-year sentence.
Once out, he wasted no time. He then allegedly snatched 11-year- old Jaycee Dugard from her school bus stop. That was way back in 1991.
Listen to her desperate mom make this frantic plea way back then.
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TERRY PROBYN, JAYCEE DUGARD`S MOTHER: Jaycee, if you hear mommy, I love you and I want you to come home tonight.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Cops said Garrido kept little Jaycee her prisoner in these squalid tents, raping her over and over while he fathered two children with her.
She was miraculously found alive. "People" magazine has photos of Jaycee today. She`s 29 years old. And now she and her two daughters ages 15 and 12 are just trying to get their lives to normal.
Straight out to my very special guest, a hero of mine, Katie Callaway-Hall.
Katie, thank you so much for sharing your story with us. You are now a crusader, fighting the war on women, speaking out about your experiences. First of all, I`ve got to say, bravo, I applaud your courage for speaking out.
CALLAWAY-HALL: Thank you.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Take us back through your ordeal with Phillip Garrido way back in 1976. What are the memories that hit you the most?
CALLAWAY-HALL: Well, I`ve always said that most of the rape I blocked out of my mind, the actual physical sexual part. What traumatized me the most was his taking of my freedom, his total violation of my freedom, my space.
The fact that I was absolutely helpless to do anything apart from possibly letting it get physically aggressive, you know, which was a place I was prepared to take it at about the time I got rescued.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: And of course, there was a police officer who happened by and you had the courage to scream out...
CALLAWAY-HALL: I did.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Because you could have been terrified and remained silent and who knows what would have happened to you. Tell us about that moment.
CALLAWAY-HALL: I dread to think what might have happened to me. I mean, the FBI agents assured me they knew what he had in mind for me. I mean obviously they found out a lot of things they didn`t tell me.
But that moment for me -- it was very scary, because at any moment, I didn`t know what Garrido was going to do. He could have easily - - I think he could have overpowered that cop -- that police. He was much larger than the policeman, actually. And it was ...
VELEZ-MITCHELL: What happened?
The cop comes up, you`re in a warehouse, and Garrido says oh, yes, this is my girlfriend. And then what happened?
CALLAWAY-HALL: Well, I said no, I`m not. And the cop couldn`t get a straight answer out of me without Garrido interrupting or Garrido contradicting me. And finally when he told me to go back in and get dressed out of his sight, you know, and he let Garrido follow me back in. That was a very scary part for me. I managed to stay out of his grasp. I maneuvered my way back out to the policeman -- ran back out.
By this time, other cops had shown up and then it was under control. But a lot of that time when I was getting rescued at first was very out of control. It was very scary.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I`m so happy that you screamed out and said, "No, he`s not my boyfriend, help me." I think that`s what saved your life.
Now, Phillip Garrido and his wife Nancy -- and she`s another story -- they both pleaded guilty -- not guilty to 29 felony charges including kidnapping, forcible rape, false imprisonment. Nancy`s bail recently set at $20 million. Phillip Garrido being held without bail, thank God. Nancy`s attorney says she misses Jaycee and her daughters and wants to see them.
The next hearing in this case has been set for March 25. Meantime, our guest who`s with us tonight, Katie, I understand you`ve been going to all of the pretrial hearings and you have actually locked eyes with your attacker. What was it like to be in court and look at this man who devastated your life in the eye?
CALLAWAY-HALL: The first time I did it, it was extremely emotional. I was really shocked at how emotional I got. Something just reacted in me, just really on a gut level. I took my husband`s hand off, I was squeezing so hard. The next time I went, it was easier. Like I said, any day I get see that man in shackles is a good day for me. I`ll tell you.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: What does it do for you emotionally to -- are you going to attend the trial? And what does it do for you emotionally?
CALLAWAY-HALL: I`m going to attend the trial, absolutely. I`m going to go to every pretrial hearing I can go to. I actually missed this last one in January because the weather was so bad in California.
But I am going -- there`s a motion hearing in February. I think it`s February 26th.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: What does it do for you -- I don`t mean to interrupt -- but emotionally, does it heal you? Does it make you feel empowered?
CALLAWAY-HALL: It does. It makes me feel like I`m doing something about keeping this monster in jail this time because evidently -- I don`t know -- I feel like I didn`t do enough to make it stick the first time.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jaycee Dugard gave birth to two children in captivity. They were both fathered by rapist Phillip Garrido.
Here are those two girls, Angel and Starlet, taken at a birthday party they attended -- this photo. They often went out in public. Nobody realized what was going on. Jaycee had them when she was just 14. And now they`re 12 and 15, living their lives -- entire lives as prisoners; never going to school, never seeing a doctor.
I want to ask you, what is their hell like? You have been quoted as saying, "He had me for eight hours, he destroyed my life." He had Jaycee Dugard for 18 years. What must Jaycee Dugard`s life have been like?
CALLAWAY-HALL: Well, I think Jaycee learned to adjust and I think that that`s how she survived. I mean I learned how to survive in my eight hours. I figured out how to stay alive until I could escape or be rescued.
I don`t know, you know, we can all try and guess what Jaycee -- you know, what were her conditions and why she didn`t try to escape. But I just applaud her for staying alive also and surviving until this opportunity came up.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I am so delighted that you`re here. For me, the biggest outrage is that this creep was sentenced to 50 years in prison after attacking you and they let him out after ten and didn`t even tell you. Right?
CALLAWAY-HALL: Right. Right. He walked right up to my work -- right up to my roulette table at work.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh my God.
Katie Callaway, please come back soon. I want you to be part of our "War on Women". We`re fighting this battle with you and we really applaud you for your courage to speak out. Thank you.
CALLAWAY-HALL: Thank you.
And can I just mention my Web site if anyone would like to follow me when I go to court. I`m blogging. And people can find out contact information at www.katieCallawayhall.com.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you Katie Callaway.
CALLAWAY-HALL: Thank you.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Still to come, Josh Powell back in town. He`s not exactly getting a warm welcome. His wife has been missing for almost two months. Why did he come back and how did cops welcome him home?
We`re taking your calls on this case: Susan Powell`s disappearance. What do you think? What do you think about the husband? 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297. What happened to Susan Powell? Why did her husband skip town?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This time we`re supposed to be focusing on trying to find Susan. And I think his place is here with us in Salt Lake looking for Susan.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight the stomach churning nightmare just does not stop for the family of Susan Powell. The mother of two has been missing for nearly two months now. What did cops find in a second search of the family van and why did the family cancel a press conference set for just yesterday?
Powell`s husband Josh still considered a person of interest, the only person of interest by police. He`s the last person to have seen Susan alive.
Utah cops got a break when Josh suddenly decided to return to town on Friday. And then they surprised him with a search warrant to check out the family van.
Josh says he drove that van when he went on a mysterious midnight camping trip in the freezing cold at night with his two young sons. It just happened to be on the very night Susan disappeared. Remember instead of helping with the search, Josh then packed up and moved with his two sons to Washington State. Cops say he is not cooperating, not providing them with information about his marriage or what happened that night.
Here`s Josh just after his wife disappeared.
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JOSH POWELL, HUSBAND OF SUSAN POWELL: I didn`t do anything. I mean, I don`t know where she`s at. I don`t even know where to start looking.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Last we heard Josh is still at the family home apparently getting it ready to sell or rent. Can you imagine living in that house right now?
Joining me now my fantastic panel: Judge Larry Seidlin who presided over the Anna Nicole Smith body custody case -- I`m happy to have you Judge; investigative reporter Michelle Sigona of MichelleSigona.com; with the law enforcement perspective we`ll turn to detective Lieutenant Steve Nutley -- Steve Rogers of the Nutley New Jersey Police Department. And we`re also very, very happy to have with us tonight, Chuck Cox, Susan Powell`s father and he is on the phone.
Mr. Cox thank you so much for joining us. What is the latest information you have heard about your daughter`s disappearance? What can you tell us?
CHUCK COX, SUSAN POWELL`S FATHER (via telephone): Well, the news that you heard is the same I have is that the police served another warrant on the family van and were looking for something and I hope they found something.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, you were supposed to have, or some family members were supposed to have a news conference but it suddenly got canceled. Tell us about that.
COX: Yes. Well, our family spokesperson Shelby Gifford (ph) was with that. And we`ve been discussing things with the West Valley Police Department. And right now at this present time, we have some -- we would like to make some moves. And we would like to discuss things but it`s better for the investigation, better for all concerned if we don`t because we really don`t have the information we thought we were going to have at this time available and ready.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: So what I`ve heard you say is that you had to postpone it but you promised it`ll be worth it when it`s time. So it`s sounding to me Mr. Cox that you know a lot more than you`re saying tonight?
COX: Well, that was Shelby`s words and yes, basically it`s positive things the family is doing. We aren`t really aware of what the police are doing right now, what they may have found or where they are in their efforts to bring closure to this.
But we have taken some positive steps as a family trying to prepare to do something positive with the information with the support of the people. So we`re just waiting for that.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you, sir.
I would like to know why the police needed to search Josh`s van again. Again, this is the van that he was believed to be driving when he went on a mystery camping trip with the kids around the time his wife suddenly disappeared.
Did cops miss something the first time around is what I`m wondering? We all know cars can be huge sources of evidence in a case. Take for example Casey Anthony`s vehicle. There was a whole time line for its movements, air samples were taken. So it was extremely significant. It`s going to play a huge role in that trial.
So my question to Steve Rogers, you know, were the proper tests done to the Powell van the first time it was confiscated? They had kept Powell`s van and then returned it to him. And then they`ve confiscated it again, kept it for a few hours and returned it again. Does that sound like they dropped the ball on something?
DET. LT. STEVE ROGERS, NUTLEY NEW JERSEY POLICE DEPT.: Well, it tells me that they had some more specific information on something they were looking for. And what I believe and again as an investigator, I can only assume, I`m not involved in the case. Is that -- do you remember the wet spot...
ROGERS: ...that was being dried in the house.
Well, if that was blood and they have now a reason to believe that there were traces of blood in that van, that is why they went back, to look for a specific piece of evidence.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. Michelle Sigona, what Steve Rogers is referring too of course, when police burst into the house because neither of them, Josh nor Susan had shown up for work, they found fans blowing on a mysterious wet spot on the carpet in the home. Josh still had not returned at that point from his camping trip with his sons and now they searched the van again.
Now, my question to you is what about the DNA tests on that wet spot. Have we heard anything about those forensics coming back?
MICHELLE SIGONA, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: No, we haven`t and if you remember Jane, investigators decided to move forward and close the search warrants. They did serve multiple search warrants on the house, on the car to obtain Josh Powell`s DNA and now they evidently had more substantial reason and evidence to move forward to obtain this last search warrant to surprise them on Friday. They kept the family van for about three hours and then they returned it to him.
And from this point, we do know that Josh is still inside of his house. He is working. He is trying to get it up for rent. He went over to Kersey (ph) who is one of Susan`s very good friends and has done so much for this case, over to her house and printed off some lease applications.
And Kersey and Susan`s friend I just want to mention really quickly, that they have done more -- I have never in my entire experience of covering missing people cases have seen a group of friends get together and move forward and to try to help find their friend than in this case.
And this Monday, Jane, they are launching this act of service that you can -- if you visit MichelleSigona.com, it`ll tell you all about it there and they want people to donate handmade items in memory of Susan, in honor of Susan to women and children shelter`s across the nation. They`re looking for volunteers right now to step up to the plate to help them find places, to help print out some of these...
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Got it.
SIGONA: ...flyers so there`s a lot going on.
All right and Judge Larry Seidlin, I think perhaps the most disturbing of this case is that a year before she vanished Susan apparently told a wide circle of friends that she was afraid what would happen if she decided to divorce Josh. That She apparently told friends according to published reports, he might try to kidnap the kids or hurt her financially. What do you make of it?
JUDGE LARRY SEIDLIN, PRESIDED OVER ANNA NICOLE SMITH CASE: She knew her life was in jeopardy being with this guy, Josh Powell. I think his explanation is baloney. I think his conduct is bizarre.
Would you buy a used car from this guy? Would you let this guy sell you the Brooklyn Bridge? When you look and he tells us that he leaves at midnight and takes his little kids, 1 and 4-year-old, into zero temperatures with snow on the ground? He`s taking them camping? I`m not buying it.
There a relationship -- 70 percent of the time between the victim and the killer and the police know that. We in law enforcement know that. He`s the prime suspect. You`ve got to watch him like a hawk.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Judge -- back in a moment with more.
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POWELL: A lot of times I go camping with my boys. Not anything big. Just go overnight and we do s`mores and stuff like that. So I just went with the boys, was planning to do some s`mores in the morning, and then when we got home -- on the way home, I found out that people were worried about us and that we were missing.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: I wonder if cops found some old s`mores in the vehicle when they searched it the second time. That`s Josh Powell`s story, he`s sticking to it. Considered a person of interest in the disappearance of his wife Susan, but I have to point out he`s not considered a suspect. We don`t want to convict him -- he is only considered a person of interest.
Phonelines -- Cindy, Illinois, your question or thought, ma`am.
CINDY, ILLINOIS (voice-over): yes. I`m a recovering alcoholic, ten years now.
CINDY: And I`ve read your book and it is really superb. I can`t put it down.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, thank you. Just in case anybody else is interested, it`s called "I Want" and it is about my recovery from alcoholism.
CINDY: It`s superb and you are beautiful.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, thank you my dear. What`s your question?
CINDY: I was wondering, did they check the campsite where he was?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me go back to Susan Powell`s father. Mr. Cox, he says he goes camping late at night with his two young sons in subfreezing weather on Sunday night, even though he`s supposed to be at work on Monday. Fails to show up at work on Monday, and then says, oops, I forgot what day it was.
Do you know if police have been able to get him to say exactly where he was camping and visit that location?
COX: To my knowledge, they aren`t sure of his exact location. They haven`t been able to identify any campsite.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Steve Rogers, what do you make of that? He won`t even tell them apparently, according to cops where he went camping exactly.
ROGERS: Well, as the judge said it earlier, the behavior of this individual has been bizarre and very, very unusual.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, Judge Seidlin, according to published reports when the police -- he comes back to town, ok? He was in Washington State with his father, he comes back to town because he wants to get the house from which Susan disappeared ready for sale or rental.
And when he arrives, shortly after he arrives, police show up with a search warrant and say, hey, we want your minivan to search it again. According to reports he became rattled and agitated and turned white as a sheet. What do you make of it Judge?
SEIDLIN: I make of it -- I don`t like any of his explanation of what he did the night in question. He leaves the house at 12:30, who would take little children 1 and 4 years old and wake them up and put them in a van in freezing weather? And then he`s supposed to go back to work on Monday. He doesn`t go on Monday. He goes on Tuesday. He says he loses track of the days.
I believe I would make him a prime suspect. I`d watch all his actions. I think ultimately you`re going to see this fellow walking around in pinstripes in a jail cell.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Again, we want to be fair here. Josh Powell is invited on our show any time or his attorneys -- and/or -- to tell their side of the story.
Mr. Cox, thank you so much for coming on. We are going to do everything in our power to find your daughter and to keep this case alive. You have our promise here on ISSUES. We`re going to work on this case.
And thank you fantastic panel.
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