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Health Care Hardball; Golf's Tiger Addiction; Sex Addiction or Fiction?; Changing Military Policy; Church Sex Abuse Scandal; "Dating Game" Serial Killer; Hyundai Plant in Alabama
Aired March 16, 2010 - 23:00 ET
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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Tonight, whatever you think of the health reform bill, are desperate Democrats in Congress abandoning transparency to pass it? Are they trying to avoid accountability? Republicans say yes, and to point -- they point to a possible maneuver the Democrats may use. We're "Keeping them Honest" tonight.
Also ahead, Tiger Woods coming back and in a word, it's major; one of the biggest tournaments for a man who still got big, big problems. Tonight, you've heard a lot about sex addiction, but is it for real? And what does the treatment actually entail? We'll talk with a man who's gone through inpatient treatment twice.
Plus, "Crime and Punishment": new details about bachelor number one, the "Dating Game" killer already on death row. A convicted serial killer, the police found about 100 photos he took over the years in a storage locker. They asked for your help in figuring out who the women were. And now four missing women may have been identified.
First up, though, "Keeping them Honest." Tonight, the Democrats, five more of them in the House today saying they plan to vote against the senate health bill. Now, that means opponents are only 11 votes shy, just 11 from defeating in its entirety the defining item on the president's agenda. For weeks now President Obama has been saying we need to know where Congress people stand on health, right? He's been calling for a simple up or down vote, you either support it or you don't.
But today we got word that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is considering a vote that's anything but simple. In fact, it's a way of voting for or against something without actually voting for or against it. So why would they do this? Well, Ed Henry tonight is "Keeping them Honest."
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Hello Ohio.
ED HENRY, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In his final push for health reform in state after state, the president has been hammering the same point over and over. There was Pennsylvania. OBAMA: The United States Congress owes the American people a final up or down vote on health care. We need to see where people stand.
OBAMA: Congress owes the American people a final up or down vote on health care reform. The time for talk is over. It's time to vote.
HENRY: And then Ohio.
OBAMA: So look. Ohio, that's the proposal. And I believe Congress owes the American people a final up or down vote.
HENRY: Except now with victory in doubt, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi may do the opposite. She's considering a plan to shield nervous Democrats from casting a direct vote on the president's plan. Instead she may use a maneuver known as "deeming" where the House passes a rule to approve fixes to the senate health bill and "deems" the underlying senate bill has already become law without House members actually having to vote on it.
What Republicans call trickery caught fire today.
(on camera): Why are you not being clear with the American people about what you want the House to do?
ROBERT GIBBS, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: Ed, we are being clear -- we are being clear with the people of the United States and with Congress that there is going to be a vote this week and you're going to know how people are -- where they stand on health care.
HENRY: So it may not be a vote on the actual legislation.
GIBBS: Again, this I think is a legislative process game that the people put together.
HENRY: White House spokesman Robert Gibbs suggested the procedural move will be an up or down vote, but if that's true, Speaker Pelosi didn't get the message. On Monday she contradicted Gibbs.
REP. NANCY PELOSI (D), HOUSE SPEAKER: The vote is on the reconciliation bill. Upon its passage, it means the Senate bill is deemed passed. It's more insider and process-oriented than most people want to know, but I like it because we don't have to vote on the Senate bill.
SEN. JOHN CORNYN (R), TEXAS: And I guess what I would call it is Nancy Pelosi is trying to come up with an Immaculate Conception.
HENRY: In fact, Republicans have previously used the maneuver to pass controversial legislation like immigration reform, but it could be more toxic this time. Coming after the president's health care push has been dominated by allegations of shady deals.
COOPER: So Ed, how much of what the Republicans outrage is genuine outrage and how much is just, you know, pure politics?
HENRY: Well, Anderson, in these kinds of situations, I found it's never quite black and white. I mean, you -- we have to acknowledge that there are many Republicans who want to vote against this bill on principle. They believe there have been a lot of unsavory compromises, deal-making in front about the Corn Husker kickback, the Louisiana Purchase. Fairly or unfairly, that has stuck to this process and has really hurt Democrats.
On the other hand, when you talk to Republicans privately, they acknowledge, they are scoring political points here, they are piling on because of these unsavory deals. And in fact, a short time ago I got off the phone with the top Democrat who advises this White House on health care, who said he's nervous that this maneuver if it does go forward will just add to all of that.
Nevertheless, this top Democrat insisted to me, he thinks this weekend the president is going to get a deal because the way he put it quite frankly was, the alternative is disaster. That basically, the Democrats, the president have invested so much in this, that they've got no other strategy but to get this done. That's not exactly a positive way to pass the bill but that might be all they've got -- Anderson.
COOPER: All right. Ed thanks for the "Keeping them Honest" report.
Senior political analyst David Gergen weighed in about this on the AC360 blog. Today, painting Democrats' move, if that's what they end up doing, it's anything but a profile on courage. He joins us now.
David, why is this so bad?
DAVID GERGEN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, Anderson, to be fair it's still an option that Nancy Pelosi is considering. And maybe it was a trial balloon, but I must say, I hope it's a trial balloon that collapses. Because it would be -- it would be a very bad idea. It will taint the health care bill.
COOPER: But I mean, in their defense Republicans, you know, the Democrats will say, look, there are plenty -- Republicans have done this. I think they did it on immigration reform.
GERGEN: It has been done in the past. Reconciliation has been done in the past. But a couple of things, Anderson. We are talking about the most important piece of social legislation in decades. And to resort to subterfuge on a piece of legislation this big after all the backroom deals that went in to getting the Senate bill done and then going through the process of reconciliation and now piling this on top of it, this form of dodgy -- it's very dodgy as "The Washington Post" editorialized today. I think it just weighs down the health care bill and gives it -- and will give it an air of illegitimacy in the eyes of millions of Americans who don't like it and it's going to be -- continue to be a subject of bitterness.
You know, Democrats say process doesn't matter. Process does matter. The deals that were cut in the backroom during -- with the Senate -- on the Senate mattered a lot in the election of Scott Brown. It's one of the things that really angered voters.
COOPER: So when the White House says, well look, there's going to be a vote on health care reform this week whether it's done this way or that way and the process doesn't really matter, you say not true.
GERGEN: Well, the president has been arguing as Ed Henry said, let's have an up or down vote. Everyone understood that to be a cleaning up or down vote not as some sort of dirty up and down vote where people actually aren't voting. And to go to Ed Henry's point again, what is not being voted on is the fundamental basic underlying legislation; they're just going to vote on the amendments.
So that somebody could go home and say, "I can't believe you allowed that to happen on abortion. You voted for Stupak and you allowed this on the senate bill. Oh, I didn't vote for that. I just voted for the rule. I didn't vote for that," I'm not -- you know that's the kind of a lack of accountability.
COOPER: No fingerprints.
GERGEN: No fingerprints. That's a good way to put it.
And certainly they wouldn't be doing this to have the vote. So they still got to scramble, but I think when the president called for courage, what he meant was, at least what I thought, we all thought he meant yesterday was the courage to stand up for what you think is right.
And people ought to vote for this up or down based on what they think is right.
COOPER: Do you think -- bottom line do you think they're going to have the votes to be able to pass this?
GERGEN: It looked all week as if they would have. They've been talking, they've had this momentum game they've been talking and it looked like they had slight favorability to do that, but I have to tell you now, given the last 24 hours, for the first time I think it's a much more serious step.
COOPER: All right, David Gergen, I appreciate it. David thanks.
GERGEN: Thank you.
COOPER: Let us know what you think. Join the live chat right now at AC360.com. Up next: why professional golf is celebrating. We'll tell you, when and where Tiger Woods is starting his comeback.
We're also going to be talk about sexual addiction. We hear an awful a lot about it and the term just runs around a lot. But is it for real and what is the treatment that people actually receive when they go to rehab?
We'll talk about that.
Later, some shocking photos from a "Dating Game" killer's picture book. They were discovered in a storage facility he had. These are some of them and the question is do they point the way to more of his victims? New information that four missing woman's families recognized their loved ones in some of these photos.
COOPER: "Up Close," tonight. Tiger Woods, announcing he is coming back to golf, in the first major tournament of the year, the Masters. Now, it's where he won four times as you probably know and where he's least likely to be heckled or hassled or otherwise bothered by what happens last Thanksgiving when he wrecked his truck, his marriage and a big chunk of his promotional value.
We've all seen the cavalcade of porn starlets, reality show rejects and cocktail waitresses who claimed they had a relationship with Woods. He has been receiving counseling and question has been raised if he has some sort of sexual addiction. You'll hear a lot about that, the term, sex addiction, but what is it really? And what's the treatment? We're going to talk with someone who's been through it.
But first Gary Tuchman on professional golf's Tiger addiction.
GARY TUCHMAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Tiger Woods last month.
TIGER WOODS, PROFESSIONAL GOLFER: I was wrong. I was foolish. I don't get to play by different rules. The same boundaries that apply to everyone apply to me. I brought this shame on myself.
TUCHMAN: And then he added this.
WOODS: I do I plan to return to golf one day. I just don't know when that day will be.
TUCHMAN: And now we know when that day will be. It will be the day next month when golfers come to Georgia trying to win a green jacket. Tiger Woods saying, "The Masters is where I won my first major and I view this tournament with great respect. After a long and necessary time away from the game, I feel like I'm ready to start my season at Augusta."
He is ready for golf, but is golf ready for him?
KURT BADENHAUSEN, SENIOR EDITOR, FORBES MAGAZINE: I think golf needs Tiger Woods a lot more than Tiger Woods needs golf.
TUCHMAN: Kurt Badenhausen, senior editor of "Forbes" magazine has closely followed the Woods saga that began with the mysterious bizarre car accident near his house and culminated with Woods apologizing about a multitude of extra-marital affairs.
BADENHAUSEN: I don't think Tiger Woods needs to earn another penny for the rest of his life. But the PGA Tour desperately needs Tiger Woods back on the course. Television ratings as much as double when Tiger Woods is playing. And right now the PGA Tour is hurting in terms of sponsorship deals.
TUCHMAN: Some of Tiger Woods sponsors have stuck with him like Nike. Others have kept their distance but maintained their contracts like Gillette and others said adios like Accenture. So what's his future with those companies and others?
ROBERT TUCHMAN, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT, PREMIERE GLOBAL SPORTS: If it's a family-oriented brand, a brand that's going after, you know, a certain type of family good guy image, I would definitely stay away from Tiger Woods at this point.
If it's a brand that might be looking to make a splash benefit from the PR associated with getting behind Woods, then I would definitely look at that brand and say you know what, this is a good time to get behind Woods.
G. TUCHMAN: Back in 1997, I met Woods for the first time. He had just won the Masters eight months after turning pro. A huge crowd turned out on the Atlantic City boardwalk to see him participate in, what else, a sponsorship deal for a restaurant. I asked him about his future.
(on camera): How can you top this?
WOODS: I can always play better. Golf is one of those sports where you can always get better.
G. TUCHMAN (voice-over): His fans believed him and he's lived up to his professional promise. Now he's making other promises.
"I have undergone almost two months of inpatient therapy and I am continuing my treatment. Although I am returning to competition, I still have a lot of work to do in my personal life." A statement from a man whose personal life was certainly not par for the course.
Gary Tuchman, CNN, Atlanta.
COOPER: Well, Tiger Woods never said he is a sex addict but he did seek inpatient treatment as he said. So tonight we want to look at sex addiction. We'll talk about how it's different for stars and what they have in common with everyone who comes to deals with that addiction.
We talked to one man who has been through sex addiction rehab.
And later, "Crime and Punishment" and the Pope: the sex abuse case that happened on his watch and the aftershocks rattling the Pontiff today. People now are casting serious doubts on a report that says the Pope is not to blame.
COOPER: Before the break, we told you about Tiger Woods's big announcement. He's returning to professional golf and he's making his comeback at the game's most prestigious tournament, "The Masters." His announcement comes less than a month after that very public apology and admission that he was seeking treatment.
Woods is certainly not the first celebrity to check himself into sex rehab. David Duchovny entered a treatment center in Arizona in August of 2008 just before the new season of his TV series, "Californication." Russell Brand the comedian admits in his biography, "Down in April Fool's Day" in 2005 he woke up in sexual addiction treatment center in a suburb of Philadelphia. And in 2005 Eric Benet told "People" magazine that he checked into a 35-day sex addict rehab program to save his marriage with Halle Berry.
But is sex addiction for real and what does treatment actually entail? Let's "Dig Deeper" now with Benoit Denizet-Lewis, author of "America Anonymous: Eight addicts in search of a life" which follows eight different kinds of addicts and also chronicles his own sexual addiction.
Benoit, there are certainly a lot of folks who probably don't believe sex addiction is real. And it's not in the DSM-4 (ph), which is like the bible for mental health professionals, but plenty of therapists do say it's for real.
In your life, what made you feel -- not only this was a huge problem, but this was an addiction for you?
BENOIT DENIZET-LEWIS, AUTHOR, "AMERICA ANONYMOUS": Yes, I mean that's important to realize that sex addiction is not about, "Oh I think about sex a little too much or I make silly decisions when it comes to sex." I think most people can relate to doing that at some point in their life.
Sex addiction like drug addiction, like alcoholism, like gambling addiction is when that behavior or substance takes over your life. Your life becomes really depressing, it starts to affect your job, it starts to affect your relationships, it starts to affect your friendships. So for me I really got to the point when it was clear to me that I've lost the ability to make sound decisions sexually.
I didn't have that problem with alcohol, I didn't have it with drugs. And I can have a glass of wine. I really -- I don't really understand alcoholics why they can't have just one glass of wine.
So for me it was -- my life really became very small and very depressing. And this is something that people become suicidal over this.
COOPER: And it destroys relationships?
DENIZET-LEWIS: It absolutely destroys relationships. It certainly destroys marriages.
Now, having an affair does not make one a sex addict. I mean, most people who have affairs are not sex addicts, ok. A sex addiction is really as sort of taking it to the next level when you're actually not able to control your sexual behavior anymore.
COOPER: And I mean we don't know what Tiger Woods's deal is. He hasn't really talked about it publicly and you know, there are certainly a ton of people, women who have come forward, but how real any of them are, I have no -- no evidence one way or the other.
In terms of the treatment for you and for other addicts, what -- I mean, how do you treat this? It doesn't seem like something that would be easily solved just by not drinking and having the will power to not drink.
DENIZET-LEWIS: Yes, it's -- it's really a difficult one. I mean, for those who can afford it, there is a handful of very respect in-patient treatments in the country where you can go and sort of start doing the deep work. A lot of people can afford that. There's a lot of 12-step meetings, there's therapy. It's really like drugs and alcohol or gambling.
The difference with sex addiction and this -- you know, some people don't quite get this, the goal is not life-long abstinence. With alcohol and drugs you simply don't touch that substance again. With sex addiction, you're really actually trying to relearn how to have sex in a way that's sort of sane for you. And that's actually fun. Because sex addiction it ends up not being very fun.
That's another misconception -- this idea that you're out there and having all of this kinds of -- all these sex and it's really a lot of fun. It's actually really isolating and really depressing for a lot of people.
Hey, Anderson you mentioned the --
COOPER: Because it's never what, because it's never enough?
DENIZET-LEWIS: -- it's never enough and it's not really about the person. The person is a drug, ok. And so that's actually not fun after a while. It's also not fun when you as a lot of sex addicts experience, you have to go to work today at 8:00 in the morning, you say I'm going to go online and look at pornography for a half an hour. You're still doing it six hours later.
And you wonder. You know, I have all this will power in other areas of my life, why can't I stop this? It's really a very confusing problem to have.
COOPER: I think it's an important point that it's there is a difference between someone who just have extra marital affairs and again, we don't know which category Tiger Woods is in. Do you think some people, some celebrities or people who get caught having an affair use this as cover? I mean, they say, "Well, I'm going to go to rehab because this is an addiction."
DENIZET-LEWIS: I think what we have to understand is, you mentioned the few of the names in the opening about people who've sort of admitted to this. Realize this, very few people have admitted to this addiction. You know, most celebrities who go to treatment or who get caught in some scandal and who are -- and you know, who go to rehab say they're going for drugs and alcohol when in fact, many of them were actually going for sex addiction.
So this idea, there's this is sort of the idea that you know, this is sort of the excuse and easy excuse. Well, sex addiction is still incredibly stigmatized. I mean, we joke about it, we dismiss it, so -- this is sort of not the first excuse that most people come up with.
It certainly wasn't for me. I mean, I made a lot of excuses in my life for why I was doing the things I did. Finally, for me going to treatment and starting recovery was actually a way to take responsibility. And I hope -- I don't know what it will be for Tiger. I hope it is for him as well.
COOPER: And you've been through inpatient treatment twice. Do you feel like --
DENIZET-LEWIS: Unfortunately, yes.
COOPER: Do you feel like you have a handle on the issue now or is this a lifelong thing you deal with?
LEWIS: This is a lifelong thing, just like with drug addicts and alcoholics. There are people who say, you know, I'm recovered and it's not a problem anymore. Most people will continue to work on this, continue to go to meetings, because this is a tricky addiction.
And you know, you mentioned this about the DSM. And it's not in the DSM. They're proposing to call it hyper-sexuality which is actually a step forward. And it's sort of a funny word, hyper- sexuality but it's a way to call it sex addiction without really calling it sex addiction.
And the problem is, is we we've started to look at the brains of sex addicts; we've made great progress with alcohol and drugs, we've actually made great progress with compulsive overeating and food addiction. We're just starting now to look at the brains of sex addicts and what we're finding --
DENIZET-LEWIS: -- is fascinating. COOPER: Yes.
DENIZET-LEWIS: So the same pleasure centers in the brain are being affected.
DENIZET-LEWIS: So there is a lot more to learn. And this will eventually be in the DSM.
COOPER: Benoit Denizet-Lewis, as always it's good to have you on. The book is "American Anonymous: Eight Addicts in search for Life." It's a really excellent read if anyone has not read it, I recommend it. Benoit thanks so much. I appreciate it.
DENIZET-LEWIS: Thanks Anderson. Yes I appreciate it. Thank you.
COOPER: We're going to have more on Tiger Woods and his problems and how he's dealing with them and including at a look at his religion, Buddhism. And if you are interested you can go for that to AC360.com.
Still ahead, though, tonight in this hour: new developments in the case of the "Dating Game" killer. This guy is so creepy. He is a former game show contestant convicted of killing four women and a 12- year-old girl back in the 70s.
The question is, is he responsible for more murders? Clues may be in more than 100 photos found in his storage facility. Police are looking at them and they want you to see the pictures. We'll show them to you ahead.
And the Pope under pressure: what did he know about sex abuse that happened when was an archbishop in Germany. When did he know it and why isn't he talking? "Crime and Punishment" and the Catholic Church: coming up.
COOPER: A few weeks ago we brought you a "Keeping them Honest" report about a controversial combat zone military policy that forced our troops to release suspected insurgents after 96 hours if they didn't have a large amount of evidence. Critics say it puts U.S. lives at risk.
Our great investigative unit first brought us this story. Special investigations -- excuse me -- Special Investigations Unit correspondent Abbie Boudreau joins us tonight with the "360 Follow".
This was known as the 96-hour rule, Abbie.
ABBIE BOUDREAU, CNN SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS UNIT CORRESPONDENT: Right Anderson, the 96-hour rule meant troops had four days to either turn suspects over to Afghan officials or to release them. But many soldiers and former commanders tell us the policy made no sense and that it wasn't working.
In fact, we were told it was putting soldiers' lives in danger because many times that 96 hours just wasn't enough time for them to do their job and to collect enough evidence to keep suspects locked up.
Even Senator Lindsay Graham who was recently in Afghanistan says he saw firsthand how the old rule was failing soldiers and how dangerous suspects were being released because of the 96-hour time constraint.
Today on Capitol Hill Senator Graham questioned General David Petraeus about the policy and whether it was going to be changed. General Petraeus then announced the new rule which would give soldiers up to two weeks or more in some cases to detain suspects in Afghanistan.
We're told all U.S. troops will follow the new 14-day rule. Anderson, a Pentagon spokesman said he does not anticipate most suspects being held for the full 14 days. He says the new rule will also help secure information from high-value targets which are the biggest threat to U.S. troops -- Anderson.
COOPER: Abbie Boudreau thanks for the original reporting and for the update. Thanks.
We're following several other big stories tonight. Candy Crowley has the "360 News and Business Bulletin" -- Candy.
CANDY CROWLEY, CNN HOST, "STATE OF THE UNION": Anderson, Attorney General Eric Holder says Osama bin Laden will never face trial in the United States. Holder made the comments during tense exchanges with Republican members of a House Appropriation Sub- Committee during the hearing today.
They argued it's too dangerous to put terror suspects on trial in federal civilian courts. Holder rejected the argument. His reason? Bin Laden will not be captured alive.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ERIC HOLDER, U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: We're talking about a hypothetical that will never occur. The reality is that we will be reading Miranda rights to the corpse of Osama bin Laden. He will never appear in an American courtroom.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But it is --
HOLDER: That's a reality.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CROWLEY: The Federal Reserve is sticking with its pledge to hold rates at record lows for an extended period to foster economic recovery. It left its key interest rate near zero percent today. And new proof that we are born to dance: researchers at the University of York in England found that dancing comes naturally to infants and babies find music more engaging than speech. Of course, that reminds us of our favorite dancing baby, New Zealand toddler Corey Elliott with "Single Ladies" which then became an Internet sensation when his parents posted on the tube.
COOPER: I love that dancing baby.
CROWLEY: But really, do we really need like a study to tell us that babies would rather listen to music than people talk.
COOPER: I don't think I was born with that dancing gene. I think I'm the exception.
CROWLEY: I'll tell you what? At the end of the show, why don't you show us?
COOPER: Yes. That's not going to happen. I think I should have my genome things -- so they can isolate the gene I am missing, for the dancing gene.
Coming up next, our "Beat 360" winners: our daily challenge to viewers, a chance to show up our staffers by coming up with a better caption for the photo that we put on the blog every day.
Tonight's photo is White House budget director Peter Orszag and Treasury secretary Tim Geithner before today's House Appropriations Committee hearing.
Our staff winner tonight is Gary. His caption: "The White House budget director prepares to open a cleverly disguised copy of "Playboy" magazine." It does look like he's drooling a little bit.
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The Vatican sex abuse. What did the Pope know and when did he know it? As cardinal, he was in charge of investigating abuse allegations. But now there are questions about whether he was really doing his job. We are "Keeping Them Honest".
COOPER: Tonight the deepening sexual abuse scandal that has shaken the Catholic Church continues to be met with silence from Pope Benedict XVI. There's mounting pressure on the Pope to publicly comment on what is clearly becoming a crisis for the Vatican. But will he, should he?
Dozens of people said they were molested by a German priest at the time when the Pope served as archbishop. And at the center of the scandal is one priest convicted of sexual abuse, but only this week was he suspended from the church.
Our senior Vatican analyst John Allen says the Pope's moral authority is being called into question. We'll talk with John Allen in a moment but first Nic Robertson with tonight's "Crime and Punishment" report.
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice- over): The questions at the center of the crisis are what did Pope Benedict know and when did he know about it and what did he do about it?
COLM O'GORMAN, VICTIMS RIGHTS ACTIVIST: So what we're seeing is a global phenomenon in and a global church; a global system at work with the Vatican at its center.
ROBERTSON: They are questions that began two decades ago when the Pope was known as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger. For 23 years he was the Vatican's chief investigator into allegations of abuse by priests.
O'GORMAN: In 2001 he wrote to every bishop in the world telling them in the letter that every case of a priest who abused a child was to be referred to his department of the Vatican.
ROBERTSON: Vatican officials are defending the Pope, praising his investigative work after he took control of abuse cases.
(on camera): According to one of the Vatican's top prosecutors who's also a priest, Cardinal Ratzinger showed great wisdom and firmness in dealing with these cases and he said he showed great courage dealing with the most difficult and thorniest of them. Therefore he said to accuse the Pope of a cover up is false.
(voice-over): But the pressure just keeps mounting. Newly released details of abuse in Germany are raising questions about the Pontiff's judgment, even before he came to Rome overseeing cases of abuse.
(on camera): In 1980 when the Pope was still a bishop in Germany, he oversaw the case of a priest involved in child abuse. The Pope moved the priest from one diocese to another, his own, so that the priest could get therapy. Several years later, the priest was convicted of child abuse.
The Pope's critics say he should have paid more attention at the time and taken child abuse more seriously.
(voice-over): In Germany over the past few months, several hundred allegations of abuse have been made. New cases are surfacing in Holland, Spain, Switzerland and Brazil, but nowhere is the pressure on the Pope and the Church greater than in Ireland.
Pressure is growing on the leader of the Irish church, Cardinal Sean Brady, to step down following revelations he knew of abuse in the 1970s. He kept it from police and had the victims sign an oath of secrecy. The priest involved, Father Brendan Smith, the Irish church's most prolific pedophile, continued to abuse children for another two decades.
(on camera): Cardinal Brady says he'll only resign if the Pope tells him. Officials here at the Vatican have responded, saying that, in the coming days, the Pope will send a letter to the Irish people.
Nic Robertson, CNN, Vatican City.
COOPER: Growing scandal and not a sound -- not a sound from the Pope so far. What's going to happen next? We'll talk to John Allen, CNN senior Vatican analyst and Vatican correspondent for the "National Catholic Reporter". He's also the author of the books, "The Rise of Benedict VXI" and the upcoming, "The Future Church". John Allen joins us now.
John, how integral was this Pope to hushing this up -- this case in Germany?
JOHN ALLEN, CNN SENIOR VATICAN ANALYST: Well, what church officials in Munich have said is that, while then-Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict, was aware that this guy, this priest, Father Hullermann, was sent into the archdiocese of Munich for therapy in 1980, he was not aware of a subsequent decision made by someone lower down the food chain to give him a parish in Munich where, as Nic's piece said, he apparently went on to abuse others and was criminally convicted for it in 1986.
So the argument is that, while it happened on the pope's watch, it happened without his direct personal knowledge.
COOPER: But how can, I mean, a guy, this Father Hullermann, who served -- you know, served a sentence and who molested kids, only have resigned three days ago? I mean, it's incredible this guy --
ALLEN: That is mind-boggling -- that is mind-boggling, Anderson, the fact that this guy was convicted of sexual abuse in 1986. He served the sentence of probation, paid a fine, and yet apparently, continued to work in a series of parishes in southern Germany for the next quarter century.
COOPER: And the church did say --
ALLEN: He was only removed after this came to light in the press.
But I think the important thing to stress in terms of the Pope's personal rule is that all of that happened after the Pope had left Germany and come to Rome to work in the Vatican.
COOPER: But he was in charge of the body which oversaw all these -- these charges. And I mean, there is clearly a track record of the church hushing these things up and moving priests from parish to parish without informing the parish, "Oh, by the way, we're sending you a pedophile priest."
ALLEN: No question. There was that pattern. Now, it should be said in the defense of the Church, I suppose, that that is certainly no longer its practice today. That is today, if a Catholic priest abuses someone, that guy is going to be yanked out of ministry, probably kicked out of the priesthood and also turned over to the cops. But obviously, that was not the pattern in years past.
One small point about the Pope's role in the Vatican, his office only got the responsibility for the sex abuse mess in 2001. So from 1982 to 2001 then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger really had no direct personal oversight over the sex abuse cases of any kind.
COOPER: It seems like what is happening in Europe right now, in Germany, in Ireland and other places, is basically, they're kind of waking up to what the U.S. Catholic archdiocese woke up to years ago. I mean, there was a sense earlier on that all this stuff was just happening in the United States, and now it's clear this has been happening around the world.
ALLEN: No. It's obviously a global problem. You're right.
At the beginning of the eruption in the States in 2002, there was a tendency in some places, including I have to say in the Vatican to sort of write it off as -- as those nutty Americans going off the deep end.
But I think it is abundantly clear now that this is truly a global thing. And if there is a corner of the Catholic world that has not yet experienced it, they need to be aware that their time has probably come.
COOPER: What's going to happen to this Pope? I mean, is it possible he could step down on this? Is it possible -- I mean, is there that much pressure?
ALLEN: Well, Anderson, I think the prospect of the Pope resigning is probably up there with the prospect of us colliding with another planet. I mean, I think it's radically unlikely.
But I think the deeper problem, really, is that this calls into question the Pope's -- the Pope's ability, in some ways, to lead the church out of this mess. Because what we need to understand is that the sex abuse crisis is really too interlocked with distinct problems.
It's the problem of priests who abuse and the problem of bishops who fail to clean it up. And on that second problem, I think some people may ask, particularly if this doesn't turn out to be an isolated case, if there were other guys who were moved around on the Pope's watch, then people may ask the question, can the Pope credibly call bishops to task if he had exactly the same problem when he himself was a diocesan bishop?
COOPER: And -- and did not call the police, which again, is just a whole other layer that is stunning to this.
John Allen, appreciate you being with us. Thanks, John.
ALLEN: You bet, Anderson.
COOPER: Coming up next on 360, four missing women and a serial killer. He was a contestant on "The Dating Game". Now police think he may have murdered more women, women who posed for him in photographs. They found about 100 photographs. We're going to have the latest development ahead.
COOPER: In "Crime & Punishment" tonight, new developments in a really disturbing story about a serial killer who's a winning bachelor on "The Dating Game" if you can believe it. The latest news concerns the pictures the serial killer kept.
Stephanie Elam covered this story for us last week. Here's part of her report.
STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): They look like innocent snapshots, but they've become haunting, unnerving. We don't know what happened to these women and girls, even whether they are dead or alive. Authorities in California suspect they are photographs taken by Rodney Alcala.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please welcome Rodney Alcala.
ELAM: A serial killer who once appeared as a winning bachelor on "The Dating Game".
RODNEY ALCALA, CONVICTED SERIAL KILLER: We're going to have a great time together, Cheryl.
ELAM: But who last month was convicted of murdering four women and a 12-year-old girl. A jury recommended the death sentence for his crimes.
The Orange County district attorney and the Huntington Beach Police Department released the pictures to the public this week. They were found in a storage locker used by Alcala.
In a statement, the prosecutor said, "We balanced the privacy concerns of those depicted in the decision to release these pictures. Although we hope that the people depicted are not victims, we believe the release may help solve some cold cases and bring closure to victims' families."
COOPER: Well, the tips continue to stream in. Just today, authorities in California said that family and friends of four women in the photographs released last week have been missing for decades. The D.A. says the identities of the women are being not made public and tonight a spokesperson for the D.A. told us that it is likely that Alcala killed more than five people and that some of his victims may have been in these photographs.
With me now is legal analyst Lisa Bloom.
Even if they continue to link women in the photos to missing women, I mean, there's no other step for them to really solve these cases, unless this guy talks. Right?
LISA BLOOM, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: That's probably right, Anderson. In a 30-year-old case, they're going to need some kind of forensic evidence, some hairs, fibers, DNA linking the victims to him. Even if their photos are found in his locker, it's not enough to convict.
And I would say, even if he confesses to the killings of any of these young women 30 years ago, it's just not going to be enough without some hard evidence.
COOPER: Would they make a deal with him that, you know, take him off death row if he admits to other crimes?
BLOOM: That's always a possibility, and he has just received the death penalty. The problem, though, Anderson, is that here in California, although we are a death penalty state, the death penalty is almost never applied.
There's over 600 people on death row; we execute less than one prisoner per year. You're more likely to die of natural causes, believe it or not, on death row here in California than of execution.
So it's not much of a bargaining chip to work with. If Alcala doesn't know that, his attorney certainly does know that.
COOPER: And the photographs weren't the only thing they found in his storage locker. They also found earrings which belonged to a 12- year-old girl who Alcala killed. I guess it's common for serial killers to keep some sort of trophies of their victims.
BLOOM: It is. They're called trophy killers, and sometimes they get sexually excited by taking out the photos, the trophies, the earrings, undergarments, something like that that they keep in a locker, as apparently this guy did for all of these years.
You know, he's been in custody since 1979. I'm not clear why the photos are just now being released.
But the police had a tough decision to make. I mean did they want to rattle, potentially, victims' family members who had had somebody missing for over 30 years, or do they want to try to solve a cold case? I think they made the right call, because victims suffer the worst tragedy when their family member went missing 30 years ago. I think it's going to be less traumatic now, even if they see a photo, as horrifying as it is, found in this man's locker.
At least they get some closure. At least they get some connection. Perhaps law enforcement can prevail upon him to talk.
COOPER: Yes. It adds a whole other level of creepiness to "The Dating Game" which you know, has always been pretty creepy, but now you kind of look at it with whole different eyes, especially these videos that we're seeing right now.
It was unorthodox, though, for the Huntington Beach Police Department to release these photos.
BLOOM: It was. And I think they made the right call.
Look, I mean, their priority has to be to solve unsolved crimes. And this man has already been convicted of killing five people, four women and one girl. It's not impossible to believe that he could have killed many others.
Where did these photographs come from? You know, they're so eerie to look at them. Some of them are magazine quality. They're beautiful photographs like the one we're looking at right now. I mean, did he just take them innocently of people that he connected with in some way but did no harm to, or is there something more sinister to these photos?
That's what the police want to find out, and that's why we're showing these photos, in the hopes that people will come forward and give us an explanation, give us more information.
COOPER: Yes, so sad. Lisa Bloom, appreciate it. Thanks, Lisa.
BLOOM: Thank you.
COOPER: Still ahead, a southern state that is adding jobs and building itself up one car at a time. What happened after they convinced Hyundai to call Alabama home.
COOPER: Tonight "Building up America" We all know these are not great times for car sales in America, but some companies are doing much better than others, including one carmaker that's put down new roots in Alabama far from its home base in Seoul, South Korea. The decision is transforming an American community.
Here's Tom Foreman.
TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Just south of Montgomery, at the gleaming new Hyundai plant, almost every minute, another new car rolls off the line. And just about as often you can find someone like Yolanda Williams singing the company's praises.
YOLANDA WILLIAMS, HYUNDAI TEAM MEMBER: Because I love it. I enjoy what I do every day.
FOREMAN (on camera): Did you ever have any idea you would be making a living from the car industry in Southern Alabama?
WILLIAMS: No, I never dreamed it. And it changed a lot of people's lives down here.
FOREMAN (voice-over): Winning this massive economic prize over other states that wanted it had local leaders scrambling at one point, making sure Hyundai knew how transportation services, power grids and most of all, the local community could and would meet all their needs.
RICK NEAL, VICE PRESIDENT, HYUNDAI: So this location was great.
FOREMAN (on camera): And they made sure that you had everything?
FOREMAN: The land, the communications, the transportation.
NEAL: Yes, utilities.
FOREMAN: And it seems like it's working?
NEAL: It is working. Working for them, it's working for us.
FOREMAN (voice-over): Last year, Hyundai was one of just three car companies to increase sales in America. The success for the community --
(on camera): So you're just looking to see if there's anything wrong in this piece?
(voice-over): -- good jobs.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It means the world to me and I know a lot of other people feel the same way.
FOREMAN (on camera): How secure do you feel in your job?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I feel really secure. I really do.
FOREMAN: Enough to buy a house, enough to move forward?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have.
FOREMAN: Hyundai doesn't make everything it needs, so that means a lot of suppliers have sprung up all throughout this region to make bumpers and sunroofs and dash boards. And that has created many more jobs.
(voice-over): About 800 have come from Mobis, another Korean company that followed Hyundai here.
(on camera): I'm guessing a lot of people are pretty happy about this?
JAMES PULLOM, MOBIS: Yes, we are. As a matter of fact, I'm one of them. FOREMAN (voice-over): In all, local officials estimate more than 20,000 jobs have rippled out from the Hyundai deal. Building up south Alabama one job, one car, one minute at a time.
Tom Foreman, CNN, Montgomery.
COOPER: That does it for 360 thanks for watching.
"LARRY KING" starts now.
I'll see you tomorrow night.