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ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Casey Anthony Out of Money for Defense; Morgan Harrington`s Mom Speaks Out about Killer
Aired March 18, 2010 - 19:00:00 ET
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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, head-spinning developments as Casey Anthony appears in court to argue she`s dead broke. Stunning new revelations. We`re learning that Casey wrote to another woman that was behind bars. Fifty notes and letters, to somebody she befriended. Authorities say there`s no confession, but these letters are potentially relevant. So what did Casey disclose in her notes? And could it devastate her case?
Then, never-before-scene home video of O.J. Simpson, a fascinating look into the mind of the convicted felon and one-time double murder suspect. You will not believe what it tells us about what made this former football star tick. You will see the shocking footage for the first time here on ISSUES tonight.
And Tiger`s not out of the Woods yet. One of his alleged mistresses says enough is enough, and she`s going public with x-rated texts, allegedly from the golf legend. I`m talking to adult film star Joslyn James tonight and asking her all our burning questions.
ISSUES starts now.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jaw-dropping new developments from today`s Casey Anthony hearing. Casey`s attorneys argued she can no longer afford to pay for her defense, so the state of Florida should pick up the tab. The judge decided he will rule at this on a later date. Casey Anthony`s attorneys say at this point, none of them are getting paid. And they`re OK with that. But there is zero money left -- zero, zip, nada -- to pay for expenses. Listen to this.
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JOSE BAEZ, CASEY ANTHONY`S DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I see absolutely no way that miss Anthony can get any type of representation unless she`s declared...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you have any idea -- tell the judge without saying who or revealing our strategy, do you have any number in your mind of how many experts are going to be necessary to testify in this case to counter the experts of the prosecution?
BAEZ: I think, based on the sheer number of -- I think the witness list is well over 130 at this point. A good portion of them are designated as expert witnesses.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: We also found out how Casey managed to get enough money to pay for her legal team up until this point. It`s not like she had a job.
It`s been confirmed Casey sold exclusive photos of little Caylee to ABC for a whopping 200 grand. Casey`s former attorney, Todd Macaluso, also donated 70 grand. And a private donor gave 5 grand.
But if you thought today`s hearing was just going to be about the money, think again. A truly shocking twist. Turns out Casey wrote 50 secret notes and letters to a female inmate she befriended in jail. Will the letters be used as evidence against this young mom? Did Casey reveal anything in those letters that only somebody involved in Caylee`s murder would know about?
Plus, a brand new high-profile criminal defense attorney joins Casey`s dream team. Cheney Mason says he will defend Casey for free. What does that mean?
Straight out to my fantastic panel: criminal defense attorney Michelle Suskauer; prosecutor Stacey Honowitz; psychiatrist Dr. Dale Archer; and Jean Casarez, correspondent with "In Session" on TruTV.
Jean, what the heck went down in that crazy court session today?
JEAN CASAREZ, CORRESPONDENT, TRUTV`S "IN SESSION": Well, Jane, we heard so much in court today because it was in open court. It was not in the judge`s chamber that I think the defense would prefer.
They asked for indigency to be declared for their client, indigency for cost. What happened was a full-blown hearing after that. Jose Baez took the stand. He initially said to the court that he had been offered a book deal, and he had an advisor, a former ethics director from the state bar of Florida, who determined it would be inappropriate. Money, he said, was never discussed.
But he also testified that $200,000 had come -- it had to come to Casey Anthony for licensing fees from ABC News. He also said $5,000 of private anonymous donator, and $70,000 from Todd Macaluso, a former member of the defense team.
He went on to say that all the monies went for expenses.
Andrea Lyon then took the stand. She said the monies were totally for expenses and costs. They said at the end they have zero money remaining. But there still is about 163,000, give or take a few thousand, of unexplained funds. So the net result is there will be another hearing. It most likely will be in the judge`s chambers to delineate exactly where those monies went.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Stacey Honowitz, 200 grand. Is it me or is it something horrifying to think that a woman accused of murdering her own daughter then sells photos of the very same child to pay for her defense?
STACEY HONOWITZ, PROSECUTOR: Well, Jane, I don`t think something should be surprising in this case. Is it horrifying? Of course it is.
And I think now what the public is trying to say is we want to know -- that`s why the court had an open hearing, because the Florida people are saying, "We want to know where that money went to if we`re going to have to cough up the rest of this defense. We have a right to know what expenses, where that money went to, what their fee was, because we`re going to have to foot this bill. And we want to know if the money is being used properly."
So we`re going to see another hearing next week.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Michelle Suskauer, why wasn`t she indigent at the beginning of this case? And, therefore, why didn`t she get a public defender? It`s almost like she got her dream team assembled and, oops, look, now I`m broke.
MICHELLE SUSKAUER, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, you know what, Jane -- and Stacey knows this as a prosecutor. Most people charged with first-degree murder are going to get a public defender. We may not know about these cases, because they`re not as high-profile, but the state pays. Not only the costs of all the experts, and these are very expensive cases to try, but attorneys` fees as well.
SUSKAUER: So the money that has come in has already gone for the attorneys fees. It`s not unusual to pay for costs.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Something doesn`t ad up here. In 60 seconds, we`re going to analyze Casey`s behavior in court today.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s take a look at Casey`s behavior in court today. Throughout the entire hearing, Casey was smiling. At one point, she burst out in laughter and even made this sort of funny, goofy face. That`s a far cry from her recent courtroom behavior. There were no tears or waterworks today.
Dr. Dale Archer, what do you make of her mental state right now having spent almost two years behind bars?
DR. DALE ARCHER, PSYCHIATRIST: Well, obviously we`re seeing very disparaging examples of her personality.
And you know, it`s come up before where I`ve mentioned the possibility of some mild bipolar symptoms, but, remember, two months ago she was sobbing uncontrollably throughout the entire proceeding. Today she`s laughing, joking, almost like she`s having fun.
You know, we call this something that absolutely is not congruent with the circumstances she`s facing. This an inappropriate affect would be the psychiatric term for it. And it`s indicative of some underlying either problem, psychiatric in nature, or severe stress. But something doesn`t add up.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Stacey Honowitz, I got to get back to the money that she got. Two hundred grand from ABC for photos, and then Todd Macaluso, who was an attorney who was on her case, gave her 70 grand?
Now, when I go to the attorney, they don`t -- they don`t pay me. I pay them. OK? I don`t understand this. Especially in mind of the fact that he had to drop out of the case because he`s in trouble with the California bar for alleged misappropriation of client funds.
HONOWITZ: Listen, Jane, the bottom line is, when someone has a high- profile case, a serious case of this nature, and they have the opportunity to pay a legal team, and they`re going to get paid money by ABC or a network, they`re going to take that money to pay the team.
Now most people don`t understand or might think to themselves well, why would the attorney -- if she`s going to be indigent later on, why would the attorney take a smaller fee in the beginning? And I think that`s what people are upset about. What money was paid to him, where did it go to, why is she needing the people to foot the bill right now? And that`s what we`re seeing in open court. And that`s what has people distressed.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Is she -- OK. She sold photos of her child for 200 grand. We don`t know the exact date. But obviously, it was in the past. At what point does it become illegal for somebody to profit off of a crime? They have to be convicted first, right, for that to be legal?
HONOWITZ: Correct. That`s exactly right.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: So hypothetically, she could legally still sell images, photos, video, whatever, and pay for her own defense.
HONOWITZ: Yes, she can.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: So why doesn`t the prosecution say, "Do that, then"?
HONOWITZ: Well, because we don`t know what the prosecution is arguing. I`m sure the prosecution is standing up there and they are being very forceful, as most prosecutors will if they know that there`s other ways that that individual can get money and pay for the defense.
So the prosecutor might be saying, "You sold $200,000 worth of pictures. Do something else now." Because she doesn`t have to give anything up. She doesn`t have to -- she can`t profit until she`s been convicted of something.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Somebody else was jumping in about this, because to me if -- it`s more reprehensible, but if you`ve done it once, do it again? Go ahead.
SUSKAUER: Here`s what`s interesting. Jane, there was a hearing several months ago. The prosecution was very concerned of a conflict of interest, that monies coming in were going to Jose Baez, and then he would make decisions on this case in regard to the money, not in regard to his client. After a closed-door hearing, it came out, and it said that Casey Anthony had never assigned her property rights, that she still held that right.
Well, now, if she`s declared indigent, she no longer can accept monies and neither can Jose Baez, so the monies are stopped.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Got it. And they said they didn`t want to make book deals. Right.
HONOWITZ: But Jane, until she`s been declared indigent. She hasn`t been declared indigent yet.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right.
HONOWITZ: He`s deferred on it.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Everybody, stay right there. We`re going to get into the letters in a moment. This is fascinating stuff.
Also, an inside look at O.J. Simpson as you`ve never seen him before. What does it tell us about these one-time double murder suspect.
And more on Casey Anthony. Just a moment.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have knowledge of there being any deal, any negotiation discussed whatsoever of any kind of a movie deal for this case?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Absolutely not.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You received some amount of money in connection with this case from the defense team for -- technically from Casey.
ANDREA LYON, DEFENSE ATTORNEY FOR CASEY ANTHONY: That`s correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How much was that?
LYON: $22,500, all of which went to costs.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what costs did you expend? What costs did you use to spend that $22,000?
LYON: Investigation, travel, development of litigation, getting records, transcripts, equipment. You know, our computer equipment. A lot of things.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is there any of that money left available to be used to defer any expenses for Casey Anthony`s defense?
LYON: No, sir, there`s not a dime.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Casey`s attorneys say she is flat broke. Will the state of Florida have to pay for her defense? A judge decided he will rule at a later date.
Plus, shocking new developments. This is unbelievable. Could secret letters between Casey and a woman she befriended in jail be used as evidence against her? Jean Casarez, 50 letters and notes. Tell us about it.
CASAREZ: That`s right. Well, this is a motion that was just unsealed today, Jane. It was in February. The prosecution went to the judge and asked if they could have some evidence sealed so even the defense would not know about it for 30 days.
The judge found good cause. Today it was unsealed. And we found out what it was. And the motion states that Casey Anthony spoke with inmates in her jail facility, up to two according to this motion, but one she had written correspondence to that numbered 50. Fifty correspondences. They only ended when this inmate went to a federal institution.
CASAREZ: What happened was one inmate went to authorities. They found out about the correspondences. There`s interesting things in that e- mail. They`re having the Florida Department of Law Enforcement do the investigation...
CASAREZ: ... not the sheriff`s department, because of alleged improprieties that may be addressed in that area.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Because the guards, supposedly, facilitated this and they`re not supposed to do that.
Now, here`s my big issue. Will secrets surface? Casey Anthony has had so many opportunities to slip up, and yet somehow she`s managed to stick to the story of the babysitter kidnapped the child. Even when she got caught lying to investigators. Do you remember this?
CASAREZ: Yes, I do. I do. And...
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Go ahead.
CASAREZ: No, go ahead.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I mean, she`s outed for partying after her daughter, Caylee, goes missing. And now we have 50 letters surfacing that Casey wrote to a woman she befriended behind bars.
Dr. Dale Archer, here`s my question. I think, from a human perspective, a psychological perspective, it`s impossible for somebody to keep a toxic secret forever. They`ve got to let it out. Could these letters incriminate her?
ARCHER: I absolutely think you`re right, Jane. Human beings are pack animals. We all want a friend, a confidant, that we can open up to and tell our deepest, darkest secrets to.
And don`t underestimate the power of a guilty conscience. This is like a weight weighing on the soul, almost to the point where we want to explode open and tell somebody, anybody, about what`s going on. Maybe to be validated, maybe to give an excuse. We need someone to talk to.
And this won`t be the first time in a prison situation where someone has to talk to another inmate, because who else can she talk to about it? Anybody on the outside is being tape recorded.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Got it.
ARCHER: It`s got to be an inmate. So I would be surprised if she hadn`t talked to someone. Hearing this, I think these are going to be very, very voluble for the prosecution.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. Stacey Honowitz, they say it`s not a confession. It`s potentially significant information. Of course, the first thing I thought of, does she reveal some little detail that only the person who committed the crime could know that hasn`t been made public? Will these letters make it into the trial?
HONOWITZ: Hey, listen, Jane. This is a very interesting development because like you said, she hasn`t really broken since she`s been in custody. And this might be the first sign of inconsistent statements that she`s previously made to the police officers.
If there is anything in those letters that can impeach her -- what I mean by that is a different statement that she`s previously made or some significant detail that, like you said, only the killer would know and certainly the court deems it to be relevant, then it will come into court during the trial. It will be a lot of motions and hoops to get through it, but once we see what is in those letters, it can be a potential downfall for her. A very big bombshell in the case.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Your analysis, Michelle Suskauer. Do you think these letters are going to end up in the trial?
SUSKAUER: It really depends on what she says. But I think it`s just like all of those other photographs. There are a lot of -- there`s going to be so many pretrial motions about this. I`m not sure if we`re going to be seeing a lot of this information. I really don`t.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Let me get to one other thing. Another shocker. Jean Casarez, George and Cindy showed up in court together. They sat together, a sign of solidarity, even though reports have surfaced about George allegedly having an affair, which he denies. A quick recap on that.
CASAREZ: Well, their attorney is definitely denying it. She has come forward, an alleged other woman, saying that they had an affair and that George said during the course of that that was an accident that actually snowballed. But you know what I kept thinking about in court today? Was all that money, Jane, all that money, and George and Cindy Anthony`s home is being foreclosed upon. That`s what I kept thinking about in court today. The facts of the open court.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. If they put that 200 grand to their home, at least they`d have a home. Thank you, fantastic panel.
Racy texts, allegedly from Tiger Woods, made public by a woman claiming to be one of his mistresses. I will talk to that woman about the scandal. You do not want to miss this interview.
And what are Morgan Harrington`s parents saying about her killer? I`ll give you the very latest in this case. It is gut-wrenching.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, chilling words from the parents of beautiful 20-year-old Morgan Harrington, who was found murdered on January 26. Morgan`s father calling her killer violent, sadistic and dangerous.
Morgan, a Virginia Tech coed, has been missing since October 17, when she vanished after leaving a Metallica concert at an arena in Charlottesville. Cops say Morgan had left the arena, but she was not allowed to come back in because she didn`t have her ticket.
The months-long search for Morgan ended tragically when her body was discovered on a remote farm. Morgan`s dad believes the killer is an experienced criminal, maybe even a sexual predator.
Morgan`s mom spoke out yesterday on the five-month anniversary of her precious daughter`s disappearance.
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GIL HARRINGTON, MORGAN`S MOTHER: We do have her body, which is a comfort. But we don`t have answers, and we need answers. We need justice.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Morgan`s mom, Gil Harrington, joins me by phone.
Gil, thank you so much for being here on this solemn anniversary. I can`t imagine what you are going through, first of all. Our condolences.
HARRINGTON (via phone): Thank you so much, Jane. And we so much appreciate what you do for all the missing and abused women and children in this country.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, we don`t want your daughter ever to be forgotten. And we want to make this tragedy a force for positive change.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me start with some of the more disturbing aspects of this case. And I understand that there`s something that you know about the condition of her body that is quite disturbing, but may be a very significant clue. Can you tell us about that?
HARRINGTON: Yes. And I can`t go into too much detail, but it is very apparent from seeing Morgan`s remains that, you know, people think, oh, well she was killed. Well, they think she went to sleep.
You know, she was killed in a fashion that was brutal enough to break, fracture, her bones. I mean, that is a lot of force. I was not able to see the soft tissue injuries, because he threw her in a field to rot, and what was left for me was a skeleton. But I saw the damage that he ravished on her skeleton. Yes, ma`am.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I can`t even imagine what that would be like to see your own daughter`s body in that condition. Can you give us a hint of what you are going through as a family right now?
HARRINGTON: You know, we`re medical people and so we are used to focusing and being disciplined, and I think, rather than giving into our outrage and our sorrow, we are trying to find justice.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: And what -- what`s happening on that front? You feel that there is sadistic monster walking free. Have cops told you anything?
HARRINGTON: I know they are working hard on the case that they have. I think we have a good chance of finding the person who did this. My efforts are to raise awareness in the community because we see -- you know, spring is coming. And coeds are out running on the bridge where Morgan was abducted every day. I hear authorities say, well, Morgan was provocatively dressed.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, please. That is -- you know what? Those people I don`t even dignify with a response.
HARRINGTON: But, Jane...
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Gil, I want to thank you for your time. We want to have you back at length to discuss your daughter`s case. We will keep it alive, and we will join you in a hunt for justice. Thank you, Gil.
An inside look at O.J. Simpson. What made this man, once accused of double murder, tick? You`re going to see some amazing footage, never before seen.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Never-before-seen home video of O.J. Simpson, a fascinating look into the mind of the convicted felon and one-time double murder suspect. You will not believe what it tells us about what made this former football star tick. You will see the shocking footage for the first time here on ISSUES tonight.
And Tiger`s not out of the Woods yet. One of his alleged mistresses says enough is enough, and she`s going public with x-rated texts from the golf legend. I`m talking to adult film star Joslyn James tonight and asking her all our burning questions.
Tonight: a fascinating look into the mind of convicted felon and one- time double-murder suspect O.J. Simpson. New never-before seen home video shot by O.J.`s former agent depicts Simpson as a manipulator and a pretty bad actor.
The clip we`re about to see was obtained exclusively by the show "True Crime" on the Investigation Discovery network. In September of 1997, about ten months before O.J.`s Los Angeles home was demolished, he apparently wanted to capture some, quote-unquote, "real moments" on video.
Check this out as O.J. Instructs his agent, Mike Gilbert, who is doing the camerawork, to stage a paparazzi intrusion.
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O.J. SIMPSON, FORMER ATHLETE: Hey, mike. I want you to go over there and shoot -- shoot over the fence, walk through the gate so I can give you the old --
MIKE GILBERT, O.J. SIMPSON`S FORMER AGENT: Bird?
SIMPSON: This is private property. Come on, man. Look. Come on, man. Give me a break. Come on, guy. Come on.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Everything about this moment is staged.
SIMPSON: Oh, man. That`s real classy. Take care.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: That gives me the creeps. Makes you wonder how many of the paparazzi run-ins we see almost daily are staged. By the way, the house in this video is the infamous Rockingham residence you, of course, remember from the time of O.J.`s double murder trial in the `90s. By 1997, he was so deep in debt, the bank had to take ownership and the rest is history.
Straight out to my fantastic guests. In an exclusive prime time interview, I am joined by Mike Gilbert, O.J. Simpson`s former agent, as well as Aphrodite Jones, investigative journalist and host of "True Crime" which airs Thursdays on Investigation Discovery.
Mike Gilbert, what was going through your mind as you were shooting this at the behest of O.J. Simpson?
GILBERT: You know, at first, Jane, it didn`t seem that odd because I`d seen O.J. do these things before where he would stage events and make the money. But when we continued to do it and he was faking the emotion, I thought, why do you have to fake emotion of losing a home that you`ve lived in for like over 20 years that meant so much to you? It was kind of surprising that the emotion wasn`t real.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Why did you go along with it?
GILBERT: I was his agent. He asked me to do it. So I filmed it. I never sold it. We never used it.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, the O.J. murder trial was known as the trial of the 20th century. And the verdict, of course, was jaw-dropping.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In the matter of the people of the state of California versus Orenthal James Simpson, case number VA097211, we, the jury in the above entitled action, find the defendant, Orenthal James Simpson, not guilty of the crime of murder in violation of penal code section 187-A, a felony upon Nicole Brown Simpson.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, you see the suit that O.J. Simpson is wearing. That suit became infamous and the subject of a heated legal dispute between O.J.`s agent, who we have on tonight, and the father of Ron Goldman, Fred Goldman. That`s because Ron`s family won a $33 million judgment against O.J. in a wrongful death lawsuit and is still trying to collect the money.
Now, Mike, how did you resolve all this? And where is this suit headed?
GILBERT: We`re going to donate it to the museum, which -- in fact, your other guest, Aphrodite Jones, brought that up as a possibility about a year ago when we taped her show. I thought it was a good idea then.
The only reason I really fought for the suit, Jane, was it was given to me by O.J. the day after the criminal verdict. It was part of American history. But I think donating it to the museum in Washington, D.C. is the place for it to be where people can actually see it and maybe learn from the exhibit that they`re going to display there.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: When did you turn on O.J.? In other words, you were a supporter of his even when other people had abandoned him. Why did you decide, eh, I`m no longer a supporter?
GILBERT: You know, it was a long process. Once he moved to Florida and I stepped back and I started looking at the person I used to be and who I had become and it -- it was -- I guess I started seeing O.J. for what he was. As long as O.J. Survived, that`s all that was important to him. He didn`t care about anyone other than himself.
The way he treated his youngest daughter, the few times that I was in Florida, was pretty surprising.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: It was surprising to you? Even after all the 911 calls and everything?
GILBERT: Well, he was just incredulous. He would tell me that he can`t wait until she got out of the house; that she was like her mother and opinionated and mouthy. That`s just shocking for him to say that to his daughter.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: He would say that his daughter -- his daughter, who Nicole had, was like his mother and he said that as an insult?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`re talking about Sydney?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Aphrodite Jones, what did you learn about O.J. Simpson that you didn`t know from your amazing investigation into his life?
APHRODITE JONES, INVESTIGATION DISCOVER HOST, "TRUE CRIME": You know, Jane, you and I have been in the crime business for many, many years. Meeting O.J. Simpson when I was in the courtroom in Las Vegas and looking at a man who believed he had gotten past the system and was going to walk free again, I saw somebody who at the same time was filled with rage.
And the anger that he had was oddly directed at Michael Gilbert, your guest today, his agent. And he felt that the items that he went after in that hotel room in Las Vegas, Mike Gilbert had somehow abducted the items and absconded with them and he was there to try to get even with his agent, Mike Gilbert.
This is a man who got away with murder for all intents and purposes, was found civilly guilty, and then later it wasn`t good enough that he got away with murder. He didn`t want to pay a dime on it. He wanted to take the items.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mike, we only have a few seconds. Why didn`t you give the suit to Fred? Because he`s gotten -- he needs the money. He hasn`t gotten anything.
GILBERT: That`s not true.
GILBERT: It`s not true that he hasn`t gotten anything. I -- I had no problem giving anything back.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: He certainly hasn`t gotten $33 million, let`s put it that way.
GILBERT: No, he hasn`t gotten $33 million, no. But Jane, what I wanted to do with Fred Goldman was get the items back to him that he was entitled to that were moved or hidden from him when they went after the civil judgment. But something that was actually mine, I felt should be mine, not Mr. Goldman`s.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Mike, I appreciate you taking the time to come on and I think that -- I`m really glad that you saw O.J. Simpson for the person he really is.
Thank you, fantastic guests.
Good luck on your series, Aphrodite. It`s fascinating.
JONES: Thank you Jane.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tons of racy texts revealed, allegedly from Tiger Woods to one of the women claiming to be his mistress.
Adult film star, Joslyn James, is here on ISSUES next to talk about the alleged affair. You do not want to miss this rare inside look at Tiger`s sex scandal.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Shocking and very revealing developments tonight as one of Tiger Woods` alleged mistress`s shows off text messages she says came from Tiger. And they are guaranteed to make you blush.
Veronica Daniels, also known as Joslyn James, said she had a two- year relationship with Tiger and the text messages she released today are so bad, we can`t even show them to you. They are full of steamy, sexy details and fantasies.
They even describe how they allegedly hooked up at hotels where Tiger was staying. Here`s Veronica speaking out last month after Tiger`s big apology.
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VERONICA DANIELS, ALLEGEDLY DATED TIGER WOODS: Tiger pursued me and over time I fell in love with him. And he told me he loved me, too.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: And even her attorney, Gloria Allred, isn`t talking about these text messages. Why is that? So why even release them? And why now?
Tiger, of course, set to return to golf at the Masters next month; Tiger and Elin reportedly trying to work things out. Will this change all that or was that the plan all along?
Joining us now in an ISSUES exclusive is Veronica Daniels. This is our first opportunity to speak one-on-one to one of the women who has claimed to have an affair with Tiger.
Veronica thanks for joining us.
DANIELS: Thank you for having me.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Why did you release the text messages now? And how are we to know that they`re real since they`re being released on your site? There is no way for us to independently confirm that they are actually from Tiger.
DANIELS: Well, they are 100 percent from Tiger. They came from him to my cell phone. And they`re from his phone numbers. He had several phone numbers throughout the three-year relationship that we had. And it just happened to be a coincidence that it -- I released my Web site around the same time that he was announcing that he was going to be in the Masters that`s coming up.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you`re saying it`s not timed to his return --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: -- to the Masters? Now why is it that you`re --
DANIELS: No, no it was pure coincidence.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. Let me ask you again. It`s not timed to his return to the Masters? Because the timing is pretty coincidental otherwise.
DANIELS: Yes, it was just purely coincidental.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, why is it that your attorney Gloria Allred is distancing herself? We called her and she wouldn`t comment on this at all. Did she not want you to release these?
DANIELS: I`m not going to comment on that.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me ask you about this, because one thing I don`t understand is why you didn`t release your own texts along with his purported texts. So you have some very racy texts purportedly from Tiger that talk about, well, we can`t even describe them that -- that specifically, but let`s say rough sex, the desire for an open relationship with another woman, but yet your texts to and from are not there.
So it`s hard for us to put it in context.
For example, if you had texted "text me your naughtiest most politically incorrect fantasy" then that response would be more understandable, but out of context, it is really kind of shocking. Why didn`t you include your own texts?
DANIELS: My texts were responses to things that he said. And those were not -- those text messages that were the explicit ones were not, you know, me fishing for information or me leading him to say things. Those were him asking me questions on what I would like to do and what he wanted to do to me and if I was ok with that.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. There`s one where you say -- on your site you quote Tiger as saying "Ok, now you`re talking." So he`s saying to you, ok, now you`re talking. But we don`t know what you`re talking about. Do you see the problem there?
DANIELS: Yes, I understand that. Some of the messages have been deleted regarding to -- there were a couple -- because my phone couldn`t hold all the information that I was getting at that particular phone, so some of the messages were deleted. And some of them, you know, will be released. Some other information will be released on my site, you know, in the next coming weeks and so.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, let me just ask you this. You said some of them got deleted, but chronologically, they`re not going to delete selectively. They`re going to delete according to the most recent will remain and the older ones will be deleted. So you can`t really say that you delete -- that the ones that have you talking --
DANIELS: No, that`s -- that`s --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: -- are -- are going to be deleted automatically but his response to you is not going to be deleted. That doesn`t make sense to me.
DANIELS: The particular cell phone that these messages came from was not high-techie phone. It wasn`t a Blackberry or anything. It was a real cheap phone. And all of them -- like a lot of the messages that I sent, you know, did not save in the sent box. It only saved -- like was -- it did the chronological -- the ones that were the most recent were that we know, were still there. The ones that were the most --
DANIELS: -- you know, the oldest were gone.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok, well, neither of us are cell phone experts. So let`s just move on.
What, in general, was your aim and goal in releasing these texts? What do you want?
DANIELS: I wanted the -- you know, the public to know the truth and about my and Tiger`s relationship and the degree of, you know, sexual appetite that he had and, you know, that he wasn`t, you know, as perfect as, you know, he tried to make everybody believe that he was.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: But you did have a news conference a month ago where you expressed a lot of that. Why wasn`t that enough? Why do you need to come out again?
DANIELS: I`ve been holding this stuff in for a while and I just thought it was time to just let it all out.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, Tiger did a lot of apologizing last month, but he never mentioned any of the women he`s been linked to, only his wife, Elin. Let`s listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TIGER WOODS, PROFESSIONAL GOLFER: Elin and I have started the process of discussing the damage caused by my behavior. As Elin pointed out to me, my real apology to her will not come in the form of words. It will come from my behavior over time. We have a lot to discuss. And however, what we say to each other will remain between the two of us.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
VELEZ-MITCHELL: So, Veronica, he admitted he cheated, he went to rehab, he did therapy. What exactly do you want from Tiger?
DANIELS: I just want him to admit the truth and -- you know, move forward with whatever he`s going to be doing in his life. And I really hope that he can show Elin that he is sorry because it`s not about saying sorry because talk is cheap. It`s about showing her that he is truly sorry.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: But what exactly would you like him to do? I mean, he did admit that he cheated and he went to rehab. Why is that not enough for you?
DANIELS: I don`t believe he really thinks that there was a situation or that there was a problem. He just, I think is mad that he got caught.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right.
Now, some would say, hey, you can`t really say that you`re the victim because this is a married man. We all knew he`s married and a father and that the real victim here is Elin. I mean, in fact --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, but -- but there are a lot of people who say what you`re doing right now is only going to hurt her more. I mean, for her to have to see these racy text messages all over the media has got to just sort of reopen the wound that they`re trying to heal.
DANIELS: I don`t think he`s been 100 percent truthful with her as to regards to my -- the relationship that he had with me. I can`t speak about the relationship he had with any other person but me, and I don`t think he told her the truth and she has the right to know the truth.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, what truth are you talking about? I mean, you`re -- I`m not exactly sure what you want.
Now, let me just say this, and I want to get your side of the story. Some have speculated that perhaps this is a ploy to get some kind of settlement from him, which --
DANIELS: No, absolutely not.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you don`t want money?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: What about revenge?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. Write a script. What do you want Tiger to do?
DANIELS: I want Tiger to be honest with himself and be honest with his wife.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: In what form? What do you think? Talking, writing, what do you want him to do?
DANIELS: I -- I don`t want him to do anything. I just want him to be truthful with her and within himself because I think he is just hiding a lot of things within himself and not being honest with her.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, we`re going to stay on top of this.
Stay right there, Veronica. We`re just getting started.
We`re going to have more with Veronica Daniels on her alleged relationship with Tiger and the shocking texts he`s supposedly sent her.
Right after the break.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TIGER WOODS, PROFESSIONAL GOLFER: I thought I could get away with whatever I wanted to. I felt I had worked hard my entire life and deserved to enjoy all the temptations around me. I felt I was entitled. Thanks to money and fame, I didn`t have far -- I didn`t have to go far to find them.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
VELEZ-MITCHELL: These text messages we`re learning about today are a far cry from the repentant Tiger Woods who addressed reporters last month.
We`re talking to Veronica Daniels, also known as Joslyn James, who said she had a two-year affair with Tiger.
Veronica, do you think Tiger Woods is a sex addict?
DANIELS: I think he`s got some issues that, you know, are far deeper than being a sex addict.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Like what?
DANIELS: Like being able to tell the truth, deception, lying to somebody that you took vows with, that you say you love.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: You have said that you thought you were the only one. Were you -- what was your reaction when you found out there was more than a dozen purported other mistresses?
DANIELS: I was upset and I was hurt. But I had -- we had had a conversation a few months before this all happened about how I had overheard other females, you know, mentioning relations with him, and I brought it up to his attention and he said no, that`s not true. They`re lying, you know. My life is like a fish bowl. You know, people are going to say whatever they want to say. What they were saying was pretty accurate to what I knew to be true regarding him.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, in one of these texts, Tiger is purported to be angry and says basically, "You almost ruined my life." What was that about?
DANIELS: I was at his hotel that he asked me to come to and I was supposed to be leaving to go run some errands because he was going to be coming back to have a lunch meeting. And he never let me know that he was on his way back up and he could have potentially had a few people with him that would have saw me.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Why would you stay with somebody, if, in fact, these text messages are from him and they`re racy and they`re demeaning. Why would you stay with somebody who speaks to you that way?
DANIELS: I cared about him and I -- I don`t -- I can`t really answer that. I cared about him and I wanted him to be happy. It definitely was not the healthiest, but --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: You say that he told you that he didn`t want you to do porn movies anymore. Is that correct?
DANIELS: That`s correct.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: So how are you surviving now financially?
DANIELS: Right now, I`m just barely getting by and I`m working on getting back into work and being able to move forward and start my life over.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Are you -- you said you`re getting back into the work, are you talking about adult films?
DANIELS: I`ve got a couple of things that I`m working on and I`ll be buzzing everybody --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Are they adult films?
DANIELS: Not at this time, no.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you`re staying away from adult films?
DANIELS: I`m keeping myself open to the possibility of doing some again. But that`s not my main focus.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to thank you for stopping by and taking some tough questions.
And once again, we have to say, HLN has no independent confirmation that these text messages are actually from Tiger. However, Veronica`s lawyer, Gloria Allred had said in the past that her client received as many as 1,000 texts.
Thank you, Veronica.
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