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NANCY GRACE

Judge to Decide Handling of Casey Anthony Letters to Inmate

Aired April 1, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight, the desperate search for a 2-year-old Florida girl Caylee. Six months of searching culminate when skeletal remains found in a heavily wooded area just 15 houses from the Anthony home confirmed to be Caylee. Manner of death, homicide. A utility meter reader stumbles on a tiny skeleton, including a skull covered in light-colored hair, the killer duct-taping, then placing a heart-shaped sticker directly over the mouth, then triple bagging little Caylee like she`s trash.

Bombshell tonight. After convincing a Florida judge she`s too emotionally fragile to testify, Cindy Anthony shows she`s anything but while giving sworn testimony. And it`s all on video. Tonight, grandmother Cindy Anthony on the hot seat under oath.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking news in the case of 2-year-old Florida toddler Caylee Anthony.

GRACE: We find out what that volatile state`s evidence is that they have kept secret up until now.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Casey Anthony wrote 50 letters, 258 pages, to another inmate at the Orange County jail, drug dealer Robyn Adams. Those letters, still being kept a secret to the public, hold damming evidence against Casey in the murder of her daughter, Caylee.

GRACE: Over 250 handwritten pages to a killer and a dope dealer!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But Casey needed help getting her letters to Robyn because both of them were in protective custody, not allowed contact or communication with one another or any other inmates.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A jail guard is reportedly under investigation for allegedly helping tot mom Casey Anthony pass letters to another inmate, letters that prosecutors say contains relevant information to the murder of Caylee.

GRACE: What is in those letters? Do they obtain a confession?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: While the jail is not confirming why the guard is suspended, prosecutors say one of the other inmates Anthony also communicated with is a convicted killer. Tot mom`s defense has hours to decide whether they will ask the judge to seal those letters, letters that could possibly help convict Casey Anthony.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Straight out to Mark Williams joining us tonight from WNDB Newstalk. Mark, what`s the latest?

MARK WILLIAMS, WNDB NEWSTALK: Well, Nancy, the biggest thing we have right now is a corrections guard has been suspended for allegedly passing notes between Casey Anthony and another inmate by the name of Robyn Adams, who`s a convicted drug dealer. Over the course of time, 50 notes for passed between the two individuals, with Ms. Sylvia Hernandez (ph), the correction officer, facilitating it. Those 50 notes contain 258 pages of documentation.

However, the big thing, Nancy, is the fact that Judge Stan Strickland has yet to rule whether those notes will be made public. The defense has not asked for them to be sealed, and the judge in the case is usually the type of guy who says he`s not inclined to sealing documents such as this type, Nancy.

GRACE: Straight out to Ellie Jostad, our producer on the story. Ellie, what can you tell me?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: What`s even more disturbing, Nancy, is that another inmate allegedly had communications with Casey Anthony, and this inmate is the one who actually alerted officials about it. We`re hearing reports that that other inmate is a woman named Maya Dirkovic (ph), who is serving a sentence right now for second degree murder. She allegedly choked a girl to death while two other defendants held her down.

Now, we don`t know yet what is in those letters, as Mark explained, but they could be released as early as next week. And we`ve also got a big hearing coming up on Monday. Casey is going to be back in court because the defense is again trying to get records from Texas Equusearch. What they`re suggesting is that one of those Equusearch volunteers may have searched the location where the remains were found and found nothing at the time they searched.

Now, Equusearch said they did have volunteers that were near that area, but none of them were able to thoroughly search the exact location where the remains were found because of the water there. Obviously, what the defense is trying to -- the road they`re trying to go down is that the remains were not there when Casey Anthony was in jail.

GRACE: Straight out to bounty hunter Leonard Padilla, joining us out of Sacramento via Skype.

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: Well, I think that Mark summarized the jail activities pretty accurately. If you understand what a confinement situation like a prison or a jail is, you`ll have an understanding that a lot of times, younger folks have a tremendous desire to communicate, but they tend to break some of the rules. And sometimes, you have guards, the officers themselves, that participate in these things only because of their inner feelings towards the individual or the individuals that are doing the communication.

I think right now, the judge has to weigh whether to disclose what`s in the 258 pages that Casey wrote. There`s a situation there where how much of this information has already gotten out because Hernandez, the security person, has already relayed it to other people. One of the things that will obviously be in everybody`s mind is the letters themselves. Would they be privileged? Absolutely not. There is no privilege in a confinement area between individuals, none whatsoever.

There will be arguments possibly by the defense that these were not meant to be disclosed to the public. Well, of course. But I think Baez would be hard put to get the judge to stop the disclosure of these, and I think they will be disclosed.

As far as Casey herself, she might have shot herself in the foot, depending on what she actually wrote. If it`s innocuous language that has no meaning, that`s not a problem. But if it`s anything that law enforcement can utilize to prosecute her with, I can tell you this, they will definitely use it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You say you ran searches.

CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY`S MOTHER: But my computer was back in my home on July the 22nd, and you`re saying I made that statement on July the 28th. So yes, I could have ran searches after they had my computer.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, so...

CINDY ANTHONY: And that`s where you`re getting at.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. I`m going to let you finish it.

CINDY ANTHONY: Correct? Isn`t that what you`re getting at? You wanted to see the timeframe?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I -- my question was a little bit more specific and simple than that. The -- you`re talking about a search that you ran about the multiple Zenaidas Gonzalezes. Are you saying here -- and again, we`re under oath. Are you saying here that prior to the time you made this statement to the media, you made multiple searches for Zenaida Gonzalez?

CINDY ANTHONY: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. So that`s what you`re saying. That is your recollection.

CINDY ANTHONY: I started -- I started on the 16th of July looking up Zenaida Gonzalez on MySpace and searches.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, and there was 21 or something that came up?

CINDY ANTHONY: There was 11 just in Orange County.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, the searches that you ran then would have been on July 16th, as you said. Those would have shown up on the history for the desktop, is that right?

CINDY ANTHONY: Possibly.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And we could get the sites from that. Do you recall what the sites were?

CINDY ANTHONY: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No recollection.

CINDY ANTHONY: Probably MySpace. I think I went on MySpace first.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, when you`re searching on MySpace, that`s not a search engine. That`s a -- you`re searching MySpace.

CINDY ANTHONY: Well, I`m searching MySpace. It`s a search engine.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Well, all right. Maybe I`m confusing...

CINDY ANTHONY: And then I did a people search later one.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right, so...

CINDY ANTHONY: And I did my clerk, my Orange County clerk.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. And all that`s later on...

CINDY ANTHONY: I mean, I`ve done several.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... after the fact. OK.

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, because I didn`t have a computer on July 17th.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The -- and let me ask this...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She talked about that earlier, that they turned them over.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m sorry.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. So going back -- and we`re going to move forward from this statement here. Going back then, as you sit here today - - and this isn`t what you were thinking then, this is what you`re thinking now -- are you saying that you think the police were being untruthful about whether they showed your daughter a photo of my client?

CINDY ANTHONY: What I`m...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The question has been asked and answered now about four different times.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just want to...

CINDY ANTHONY: What I stated is I am not sure if they did or not.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, and that`s not...

CINDY ANTHONY: That`s even today. I am not sure.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. You`re not sure. OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re all stepping on each other. When I`m talking, let me talk.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m sorry. I apologize. I`m just going to backtrack for just a moment. You were telling me before about addresses that Casey had given you, about the addresses about Zanny?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. I`m sorry. The computer search, the computer search that you did, that you pulled off the computer about all the 21-odd or different people...

CINDY ANTHONY: I never said 21. You`ve said 21.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Whatever number it was that you said to me before that cast doubt as to whether the police were being honest with you -- whatever number of searches and all the searches and the print-outs and the things you talked about, did you give those to Dominic Casey, the investigator?

CINDY ANTHONY: No, I did not.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Why not?

CINDY ANTHONY: Because he wasn`t working for me at that time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was there ever a time that he was working for you?

CINDY ANTHONY: Not early on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Was there ever a time he was working for you?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, he still is.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. And when -- during the time he was working with you before the December timeframe -- during that time period when your granddaughter was missing, did you ever give those addresses to Dominic Casey, the Zenaida Gonzalez information?

CINDY ANTHONY: No, I didn`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why not?

CINDY ANTHONY: Because I gave them to Jose Baez when I had them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And is it your understanding that Jose Baez - - do you know what he did with them?

CINDY ANTHONY: I have no idea. And I know Dominic was working for him when I gave them to him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Let me go ahead, and I`m going to do a little -- go through some of the time -- the timeline a little bit about the -- around the June period, OK? So I`m going to focus on this right now. It`s my understanding around the first week of June of last year, you took a vacation. You had Caylee most of that week?

CINDY ANTHONY: That`s correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Was there -- there was some talk in some of the interviews about -- and when I say interviews, I mean police interviews -- that Casey had been telling Amy Huizenga that you and Mr. Anthony were splitting up and moving out, moving out to Mount Dora (ph), moving out of the house, and that Casey would be moving into the house with Amy?

CINDY ANTHONY: I do not know what Casey told Amy Huizenga.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, is there any truth to that, though, that you and George were going to be moving up to Mount Dora or leaving the house somehow to Casey? Is there any accuracy or truth to that?

CINDY ANTHONY: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. So there came a point in time, though, later on where you did talk to Amy, later on?

CINDY ANTHONY: The only time I ever talked to Amy was July the 15th.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Your -- July the 15th, and that`s day you actually found your daughter over at -- was it at Tony Lazzarro`s apartment?

CINDY ANTHONY: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

CINDY ANTHONY: Amy took me there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. Now, during this -- and I`m going to focus you in now. During the time after your birthday -- your birthday was June 5the, right?

CINDY ANTHONY: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: During that time period -- was Casey saying during that time period there what the source of her income was? Did she ever mention it specifically at that point?

CINDY ANTHONY: We didn`t talk about her source of income during that timeframe.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And did you ever come to know that both Caylee and Casey were, in fact, staying over at Ricardo Morales`s house?

CINDY ANTHONY: Casey and Caylee did not stay at Ricardo Morales`s house on June 1st.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m not talking about June 1st.

CINDY ANTHONY: All right, well, then what are you asking? You just asked me about that timeframe. So...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. I`m sorry.

CINDY ANTHONY: All right, then go back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No problem. Let`s say June 7, around there, around that time period. Did you ever learn that Casey and Caylee were, in fact, staying over at Ricardo`s house?

CINDY ANTHONY: I learned it, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you learned that later.

CINDY ANTHONY: After the fact, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That was something that was inconsistent from what your daughter was telling you she was doing with her daughter, is that right?

CINDY ANTHONY: On June 7th, I wasn`t home. I had no idea.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Well, was she telling you...

CINDY ANTHONY: She didn`t tell me where she was at because I wasn`t home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Did she ever tell you, Mom, Caylee and I stayed over at Ricardo`s house?

CINDY ANTHONY: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And it`s fair to say that would have been probably something you would have disapproved of because Caylee really should have been home in her own bed.

CINDY ANTHONY: I would have to know the circumstances.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, can you think of a circumstance around the June time period where it would have been something you approved of, having Caylee and Casey sleep over at Ricardo`s house without you knowing about it?

CINDY ANTHONY: I don`t know what the circumstance would be.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. So if, in fact, Caylee and Casey were staying at Ricardo`s house on June 7th...

CINDY ANTHONY: It`s not my decision where Casey stays. She`s an adult and Caylee`s her daughter. I -- it`s not up to me to say where Caylee stays.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stunning developments today in the case of 2-year- old Florida toddler Caylee Anthony. Did a jail guard help tot mom Casey Anthony pass notes to an inmate that contained relevant information about Caylee`s murder? Multiple reports have surfaced that an Orange County jail guard has been suspended with pay and is under investigation for allegedly helping Anthony pass over 258 pages of letters to a fellow inmate in protective custody. Prosecutors say Anthony also communicated with an inmate convicted of murder. The jail has not confirmed why the guard is suspended. Prosecutors have revealed many of Anthony`s correspondence are relevant to the upcoming murder trial and the case against Anthony.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Casey Anthony wrote 50 letters, 258 pages, to another inmate at the Orange County jail, drug dealer Robyn Adams. Those letters, still being kept a secret to the public, hold damming evidence against Casey in the murder of her daughter, Caylee. Robyn told murder investigators jail guard Sylvia Hernandez delivered Casey`s letters to her, and Hernandez is now under suspension with pay while the jail investigates.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Grandmother Cindy Anthony grows more combative under oath, defending tot mom`s lies, refusing to answer claims tot mom steals money from family and friends. It`s all on video.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can discuss this with your attorney as far as your refusal. And again, ma`am, I`m going to tell you what Mr. Morgan told your attorney earlier, that this isn`t a situation where, you know, this is treated lightly by the rules. If somebody refuses to answer a valid question, we might have to come back -- we may have to come back...

CINDY ANTHONY: It`s not valid to this young lady that`s sitting here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ma`am -- ma`am...

CINDY ANTHONY: Mr. Morgan went on TV and said...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ma`am...

CINDY ANTHONY: ... that the reason he`s doing this is because he wants his client cleared. So the reason I`m here is to clear his client. It has nothing to do with my daughter`s and my relationship.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I appreciate that.

CINDY ANTHONY: So let`s move on to Ms. Gonzalez so that Mr. Morgan can go home and I can go home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. I`m...

CINDY ANTHONY: Because I`m very tired.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I understand...

CINDY ANTHONY: It`s been a long day.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I understand you`re tired, but let`s go back to my question, OK?

CINDY ANTHONY: I`m not answering it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. Well, I just want to make sure -- maybe your attorney can advise you. In Florida, we have certain rules about not answering questions. If there`s a privilege that applies -- in other words, if you`re under investigation for something, then it`s OK not to answer. But here`s what`s going to happen. We`re going to go to the judge and we`re going to explain it to the judge, and the judge is going to say we get to come back and ask this question, and this whole thing is going to go over one more time. I know you don`t want that. I know Mr. Conway doesn`t want that, and none of us want that. So before you say you`re not going to answer the question, maybe you want to confer with your attorney about that?

CINDY ANTHONY: You might want to go to the judge and explain why Zenaida has Fernandez-Gonzalez on the complaint when Fernandez is not her name.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you want to advise your client or not?

CINDY ANTHONY: It`s the same thing. So you know, if you guys want to -- you know, do perjury, then go for it. I`ll take my chances with the judge.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Mr. Conway, is that your position, too, as her attorney, that she`s -- she`s not answering this question that I`m asking?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don`t know whether there`s an investigation or not, so let`s move on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you taking the 5th Amendment?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let`s move on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, you`ve got to explain to your client...

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I need to know -- I need to know the basis...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you taking the 5th Amendment here?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want to take a break and talk to my client. That`s what I want to do.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, fair enough.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you want to re-ask your question?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. My question was, was there a point in time when your daughter had used your credit cards without your permission?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My client`s position on that is that she doesn`t want to answer that question right now, that the purpose of this deposition has gone way far afield, that the question, given that current pending criminal charges prevent her daughter from getting a fair trial, and so she doesn`t want to answer that question right now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, I understand, but you understand the rules, Brad. You`re an experienced attorney. She may not want to answer the question right now, but what I want to know from a legal standpoint is, what basis legally are you asserting for her not to answer the question?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That the question is entirely irrelevant, that it will not lead to evidence that would be admissible in any way, shape or form in the civil trial.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Casey Anthony wrote 50 letters, 258 pages, to another inmate at the Orange County jail, drug dealer Robyn Adams. Those letters, still being kept a secret to the public, hold damming evidence against Casey in the murder of her daughter Caylee.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Investigations reveal tot mom Casey Anthony`s history of stealing from friends -- and family, too. But under oath, grandmother Cindy stonewalls the lawyers about tot mom`s sticky fingers.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So I just want to understand the legal basis that you are asserting before we go back in front of Judge Rodriguez is that she doesn`t want to answer it. Is there another reason?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My client does not want to answer that because it`s going to affect her daughter`s ability to get a fair trial on pending criminal charges.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And I assume you`ve advised her of the implications of that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have discussed it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. So ma`am, just so I`m clear, and I want it from -- if you can just -- as I understand -- these questions I`m asking you about your daughter and the credit card, you`re refusing to answer those questions.

CINDY ANTHONY: It`s not relevant.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you refusing to answer the questions?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. All right, now, were there ever any conversations between you and your daughter Casey concerning taking money from family members, including yourself or anybody else, around the June time period?

CINDY ANTHONY: Around June?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, ma`am.

CINDY ANTHONY: Be specific on the area around June.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just yes or no.

CINDY ANTHONY: Well, I want to know what he means "around." Are we talking...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes or no and let him clarify it, OK? Yes or no and let them clarify their question.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you ever have a discussion...

CINDY ANTHONY: Nothing in June.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

CINDY ANTHONY: No in June.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On June 15, was there ever a discussion between you and your daughter over stealing $400 from your account?

CINDY ANTHONY: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did that ever take place?

CINDY ANTHONY: I`m not even sure we`re talking about $400.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Was there ever a discussion with you and your daughter about your daughter taking money from your account? Yes or no?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. When was that?

CINDY ANTHONY: I don`t know. You`re asking me dates. I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, well, give me a ballpark. Was it in the year 2008? Yes or no?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And was it around the time period leading up to the last time you saw your granddaughter, prior to June 15?

CINDY ANTHONY: What timeframe leading up to...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Prior to June 15 in the year 2008, let`s say in the...

CINDY ANTHONY: I already answered the question.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Well, let me get more specific.

CINDY ANTHONY: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In May, was there a discussion about or an argument or any type of discussion about your daughter taking money from your account and you not being happy about that?

CINDY ANTHONY: Possibly in May.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Tonight, we ask for your thoughts and prayers for a high school boy, Trey Ruud (ph), battling stage IV melanoma. He`s a high school senior football star, says he will beat cancer. For info, go to Prayfortrey.org. Trey, please stay strong.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Casey Anthony wrote 50 letters, 258 pages to another inmate at the Orange County jail, drug dealer Robyn Adams. Those letters, still being kept a secret to the public, hold damning evidence against Casey in the murder of her daughter, Caylee. But Casey needed help getting her letters to Robyn because both of them were in protective custody, not allowed contact or communication with one another or any other inmates. Robyn told murder investigators jail guard Sylvia Hernandez delivered Casey`s letters to her, and Hernandez is now under suspension with pay while the jail investigates.

Hernandez was assigned to their dorm as soon as she was hired and worked there for about a year before being transferred. Hernandez worked for a state prison in Lake County for a year before going to work at the jail. She`s been disciplined for absences and tardiness and once for not reporting her use of force to break up a fight between two inmates.

But apparently, that`s not all she failed to report. Even though Hernandez was praised for her writing skills, she apparently did not document anything about Casey`s letters. It`s unclear whether she read them.

Murder investigators say Casey also befriended inmate Maya Derkovic, a gang member who choked a girl to death while someone else held the girl down. The jail investigation could take another two weeks.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: To Mark Williams, joining us tonight from WNDB Newstalk. Mark, what`s the latest?

WILLIAMS: Well, Nancy, let`s take a look at what really happened. Earlier today, an Orange County corrections officer by the name of Sylvia Hernandez has been suspended because she allegedly passed notes between Casey Anthony, who`s in protective custody, and Robyn Adams, who`s a drug dealer, a convicted drug dealer who`s also in protective custody, Ms. Hernandez allegedly passing 50 notes totaling 250 pages. And so there`s an investigation going on. It could be two weeks or so. Right now, the jail guard, Ms. Hernandez, is on -- has been suspended with being paid at the same time while this investigation is going on.

Apparently, she also -- Casey also befriended a woman by the name of Maya, who`s a gang member, who`s in the Orange County jail for choking another woman as this other woman was being held down. No notes were passed. However, they did strike up a friendship.

But the big thing, Nancy, coming up Monday, there is a hearing in Orange County circuit court here in Orlando where the issue of Texas Equusearch is going to come up. They`re that Texas-based search company or volunteers who literally sent hundreds of people into the woods, scouring for the remains of Caylee Anthony. They were never able to get to the remains, or find the remains at all, even though they were in the general area, due to high water because of a tropical storm which came through the area.

Now, the defense says Equusearch hasn`t been forthcoming in providing the names of the individuals. However, Orlando attorney Mark Nejame, who represents Tim Miller and Texas Equusearch, says the defense hasn`t knocked on his door. He says the door`s always been open, but Jose Baez has never walked through it.

GRACE: Straight out to Ellie Jostad, our producer on the story. Ellie, what can you tell me?

JOSTAD: Nancy, the way that this all came about is, supposedly, this first inmate, the one that the local media is referring to as a murderer -- she`s believed to be Maya Derkovic, a convicted murder -- apparently, that inmate went to authorities, said that she had been having communications with Casey Anthony and that a second inmate had been doing the same.

Now, when authorities located that second inmate, who is now in federal prison -- she`s there on drug charges, she`s actually been convicted of drug dealing, serving time in federal prison -- that woman reluctantly confirmed -- that`s the phrase that the police used -- reluctantly confirmed that she had been communicating with Casey Anthony, that she had received over 50 notes from Casey Anthony in Casey Anthony`s own handwriting.

We are hearing that those notes are 258 pages` worth. Authorities haven`t said what`s in those notes. They could be made public. It`s very likely they will be, considering that Casey Anthony`s jail tapes have all been released, the interviews with all the witnesses, including Casey Anthony and her parents, George and Cindy Anthony. Those have all been made public. So it`s very likely that we could also see what Casey Anthony was writing to another inmate behind bars.

GRACE: Straight out to bounty hunter Leonard Padilla, joining us out of Sacramento via Skype.

PADILLA: Once again, Mark has put the nail in the coffin as far as everything that`s been going on. But let me make a statement here. Many, many times, myself and Tim Miller have been at opposite ends of an argument, but one thing that I`ve always agreed with him on and that is a statement he made many months ago. And he said anybody that comes in contact with Casey Anthony or this case gets body-slammed. And that`s a very accurate situation.

Now you have a guard that is on suspension. You have probably at least one, maybe two, and possibly more individuals that were in that system that are going to be questioned thoroughly and they`re going to become witnesses in this in one way or another.

And then if we talk about where the body was found and people attempting to make it look like, well, the body couldn`t have been there -- well, the thing about it is, Tim Miller`s been very accurate in his description of the search in that particular area, and that is there was so much water there that nobody could have found that body without even more in-depth study of the area, or at least knowing, This is where the body is at, so this is where we`re going to be looking at because this is where the body`s at.

But nobody knew where the body was. So when you have that kind of a search going on, you`re not focusing, three foot under water, two foot under water. One of the things I`ve discussed with Rob, my partner, is that possibly, we could recreate the water level and the scenario somewhat this coming June to where we`d have more of an accurate situation and bring in some of these people that said they searched by the fence or they searched 80 foot from the fence. Bring them in and say, OK, exactly where were you and how -- how deep did you remember the water? The water depths in that area, they`re all recorded. And the type of storm doesn`t matter because it just put water on the ground.

So that would be my suggestion, and I`m looking into doing something like that in June.

GRACE: Tonight, as we are in the midst of Holy Week for many of us that still seek the Prince of Peace, happy Easter from the twins.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Casey Anthony wrote 50 letter, 258 pages, to another inmate in the Orange County jail, drug dealer Robyn Adams. Those letters, still being kept a secret to the public, hold damming evidence against Casey in the murder of her daughter, Caylee. But Casey needed help getting her letters to Robyn because both of them were in protective custody, not allowed contact or communication with one another or any other inmates. Robyn told murder investigators jail guard Sylvia Hernandez delivered Casey`s letters to her, and Hernandez is now under suspension with pay while the jail investigates.

Hernandez was assigned to their dorm as soon as she was hired and worked there for about a year before being transferred. Hernandez worked for a state prison in Lake County for a year before going to work at the jail. She`s been disciplined for absences and tardiness and once for not reporting her use of force to break up a fight between two inmates.

But apparently, that`s not all she failed to report. Even though Hernandez was praised for her writing skills, she apparently did not document anything about Casey`s letters. It`s unclear whether she read them.

Murder investigators say Casey also befriended inmate Maya Derkovic, a gang member who choked a girl to death while someone else held the girl down. The jail investigation could take another two weeks.

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GRACE: The last day Caylee seen alive in the apartment where tot mom claims Caylee`s kidnapped comes into play as grandmother Cindy goes under oath.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just want to be clear. You said there was no argument, so you`re answering that. Was it something you gave her permission to do, to take money from your account?

CINDY ANTHONY: I already stated that -- I already answered that question.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t think you did, ma`am.

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, I did.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you -- let me ask it again...

CINDY ANTHONY: Go back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... so you can answer it again. It`s OK, we don`t need to have it re-read. Did you give your daughter permission to take money from your account during this time period?

CINDY ANTHONY: And that`s when I answered -- I already answered that question.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We were talking about credit cards before. I`m talking about the account now, something different. Did you give your daughter...

CINDY ANTHONY: Oh...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... permission...

CINDY ANTHONY: ... I never answered a question about credit cards.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Well, I`ll ask that again, too, in a second.

CINDY ANTHONY: That`s the one I said I wasn`t going to answer.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gotcha. On credit cards or account? Just so I`m clear. I don`t want to confuse you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Credit cards is what we covered.

CINDY ANTHONY: You`re confusing me because you keep changing your question.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Well...

CINDY ANTHONY: You asked me a question.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s my fault.

CINDY ANTHONY: It is your fault! And you expect me...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s my fault.

CINDY ANTHONY: I know I`ve already answered this question.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And if I -- actually, I apologize, but let me ask it a little bit differently. Did your daughter have permission to take money from your account? I`m not talking credit cards, I`m talking an account.

CINDY ANTHONY: I answered that question already.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tell me the answer. Did she have permission or not?

CINDY ANTHONY: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was that a point of conflict between the two of you?

CINDY ANTHONY: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So did she -- did you and her have a conversation and everything was fine about her taking money from your account?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes. Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She had taken money from your account, though, right?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How much was it?

CINDY ANTHONY: I don`t know the exact amount?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was it more than $200?

CINDY ANTHONY: Somewhere around there, $200 or $300.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And it`s fair to say, from my understanding reading through this, that that was not probably money that you could afford to give to her at that point.

CINDY ANTHONY: I gave Casey money all the time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. I`m talking about this specific one.

CINDY ANTHONY: I can`t tell you if that specific one, you know, mattered any different than any other time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did she ever talk about moving out around this time period?

CINDY ANTHONY: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Never discussed that with you?

CINDY ANTHONY: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Now, before the disappearance, before June 15, what friends did Casey have at the Sawgrass Apartments?

CINDY ANTHONY: That I knew then or that I know now?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Either one, ma`am. Or let`s break it down. That you knew then, what friends did she have in the Sawgrass Apartments?

CINDY ANTHONY: I had no idea at that time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Currently, what friends that you`ve learned that Casey had at the Sawgrass Apartments? Who were her friends there?

CINDY ANTHONY: I know at some point, Annie (ph) lived there. I know at some point, Ricardo and J.P. (ph) lived there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Annie being Annie who?

CINDY ANTHONY: Dowling (ph).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dowling. Because there`s another Annie, it`s my understanding, or Amy. Apologize. Annie Dowling lived there. Ricardo -- would that be Ricardo...

CINDY ANTHONY: Morales.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... Morales, who was her boyfriend at one point in time?

CINDY ANTHONY: Which I know now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Do you know when it was that Ricardo Morales, her boyfriend, lived at the Sawgrass Apartments?

CINDY ANTHONY: Mo.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And who else was it, Annie and Ricardo and who else?

CINDY ANTHONY: J.P. is his roommate.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: J.P. And do you know his last name?

CINDY ANTHONY: Chat (ph). Chat.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you`ve learned all this information from where?

CINDY ANTHONY: From her friends.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Being who?

CINDY ANTHONY: From those people.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They told you or you...

CINDY ANTHONY: They told me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Do you know if she -- your daughter knew anybody who worked at Sawgrass?

CINDY ANTHONY: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You don`t know.

CINDY ANTHONY: I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. So these people, Ricardo Morales and Annie Dowling, you`ve come to learn that there was a time that they -- that, in fact, they lived there at Sawgrass.

CINDY ANTHONY: Correct. Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And they lived there prior to the disappearance, is your understanding.

CINDY ANTHONY: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now, let`s go ahead to June 15th. It`s my understanding this is the Father`s Day weekend, is that right?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You had gone to -- you had gone up to visit your father.

CINDY ANTHONY: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right? And in fact, there`s a photograph and that we know is June 15 because it was Father`s Day weekend, is that right?

CINDY ANTHONY: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your husband was working at that time period, wasn`t he?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And on June 15th, when you got home, was your husband at home that night when you got home?

CINDY ANTHONY: When I got home in the evening, no one was home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Did there come a point -- and where had -- where had Casey been during the day?

CINDY ANTHONY: I don`t know if she was with friends or where she was at.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right.

CINDY ANTHONY: I just had taken Caylee for the day to see my dad.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I see. There came a point in time, though, that Casey came home, and you were at home and Casey`s at home and Caylee`s at home.

CINDY ANTHONY: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Was there ever any type of -- strike that. What time was it that you got home?

CINDY ANTHONY: I want to say somewhere around 4:00 whatever, just because I remember I fed Caylee dinner when I got home, and then we went swimming.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, swimming in -- obviously, in...

CINDY ANTHONY: We were in the pool when Casey came home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Did Casey get in the pool or was it just you and Caylee?

CINDY ANTHONY: She started to, and I told her it was going to be too cold for her because we were just -- the sun was starting to go down. We were getting a little bit chilled, and I told her I was about ready to take Caylee out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was there any type of disagreement or discussion between you and your daughter, Casey, that night?

CINDY ANTHONY: Absolutely not, no.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So statements about somebody overhearing a loud argument at the house -- wait a minute. Statements in the police reports about people overhearing a loud argument at the house -- you`re saying that there wasn`t a loud argument at the house.

CINDY ANTHONY: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, there was no -- as we`ve seen in some reports, no altercation between you two?

CINDY ANTHONY: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Do you know why it would be, then, that the next morning, Casey would have left with her daughter and not returned?

CINDY ANTHONY: I have no idea why Casey and Caylee did not come back. I mean, I know why Casey didn`t come back now, but I don`t know why Caylee didn`t come back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And during -- I`m just going to go through this quickly. During the time period when they leave on June 15th, this would be something out of the ordinary...

CINDY ANTHONY: They left on June 16th.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m sorry. The morning of June 16th, and actually, George is the one, I think, fed her -- fed Caylee breakfast that morning?

CINDY ANTHONY: I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you know.

CINDY ANTHONY: I have no idea who fed Caylee breakfast that morning. I was at work.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You had already gone to work.

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. But we do know that none of the clothes that were Casey`s -- or rather, Caylee`s clothes -- none of those clothes, to your knowledge, were taken for a 5, 10, 15-day trip?

CINDY ANTHONY: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And once again, we know that the air mattress that you told me about, that -- we know that was in your house because later on, we found it.

CINDY ANTHONY: I don`t know when the air mattress was -- you know, I don`t know when the air mattress came back to the house or whatever. I just know the day that I found it, I gave it to the sheriff`s department.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. that`s fair. But it certainly was in your house and...

CINDY ANTHONY: I have -- I don`t have knowledge to that, whether it was in the house on the 16th or not.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, well...

CINDY ANTHONY: I wasn`t looking for it then.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Certainly...

CINDY ANTHONY: Casey was in and out of the house...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

CINDY ANTHONY: ... in June. I have no idea.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you see Casey -- you say Casey was in and out of the house, but to your knowledge -- I know your husband saw her at one point in time -- after June 15th, you didn`t see her until when?

CINDY ANTHONY: Casey?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, ma`am.

CINDY ANTHONY: July the 15th.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And so to your knowledge during that time period, did she ever say to you, Hey, I took the air mattress?

CINDY ANTHONY: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Never said that?

CINDY ANTHONY: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Now -- and again, this would be out of the ordinary for her to be out of the house for more than two days in a row with Caylee, is that correct?

CINDY ANTHONY: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. And you were calling Casey from your home phone.

CINDY ANTHONY: I called Casey from my home phone and my cell phone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And from -- and the records actually have you calling her several different times during this time period, is that right?

CINDY ANTHONY: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Now, did you ever talk to your granddaughter, Caylee, after June 16th on the -- I`m talking on the telephone. Did you ever speak to her (INAUDIBLE)

CINDY ANTHONY: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you ever hear her in the background?

CINDY ANTHONY: Uh-huh.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Murder investigators say Casey also befriended inmate Maya Derkovic, a gang member who choked a girl to death while someone else held the girl down. The jail investigation could take another two weeks.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was there any conflict going on that would have caused your husband to chase around Casey back in April?

CINDY ANTHONY: You`d have to ask George.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you aware of any?

CINDY ANTHONY: Not that I`m aware of.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. So did that strike you as odd that George was chasing Casey in April, as opposed to this time period when you were out kind of looking for her?

CINDY ANTHONY: I found out about that after the fact, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

CINDY ANTHONY: So I don`t -- I found out that -- about him going after Casey...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What was your understanding why he was going after her?

CINDY ANTHONY: I -- again...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Same objection.

CINDY ANTHONY: ... I have no idea.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Same objection.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. You have no idea. So -- but does it strike you as odd, then, that he would have been chasing after her if you`re not aware of any conflict?

CINDY ANTHONY: You`d have to ask my husband.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. Now, as far as the -- him -- Casey trying to keep him from getting in the trunk of the car, I think he told me that you don`t have any information as to whether that happened or not.

CINDY ANTHONY: I was not present. I never heard that she kept him...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just yes or no.

CINDY ANTHONY: No. I have no knowledge of that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`ve seen your husband`s statement, though, haven`t you?

CINDY ANTHONY: No, I haven`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You haven`t read his statement?

CINDY ANTHONY: No, I haven`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, so when he told the police officers about that and he told the FBI about that, you`re not -- you haven`t reviewed that or aware of that.

CINDY ANTHONY: No. There`s a lot of stuff that I haven`t reviewed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now, so there comes a point of time, is it fair to say, because we got the phone records here, there are many, many calls where you -- there`s attempts from the Anthony home, from your house, to call Casey during this time period.

CINDY ANTHONY: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And it`s also fair to say you`re getting more concerned about Caylee because you haven`t seen her in a long period of time.

CINDY ANTHONY: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Now, do you think, in fact, that it`s possible that Casey was fabricating the story about Zanny because she was wanting to stay over at some boy`s house or a guy`s house?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m going to object to the form of the question. It calls for speculation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Did you -- do you believe that she was fabricating the story during that time period because her motivation was not to let you know that she was staying at some guy`s house?

CINDY ANTHONY: No, I think she fabricated the stories because she didn`t have Caylee with her and she knew if she came home without Caylee, there`d be a red flag.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And that red flag would mean that something was probably wrong.

CINDY ANTHONY: Something happened, right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And that`s the reason -- you think that that`s what her reasoning was...

CINDY ANTHONY: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... for fabricating the story, is that right?

CINDY ANTHONY: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

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CINDY ANTHONY: That`s why I think she fabricated this whole story, so that she would justify to me why I couldn`t talk to Caylee because she knew that if it wasn`t a reasonable thing, that I would say, Where the hell are you (INAUDIBLE) because something is wrong.

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CINDY ANTHONY: That`s what I just said. You didn`t need to make me live through that again.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

CINDY ANTHONY: Thank you very much. That was a painful time in my life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

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GRACE: Let`s stop and remember Army Sergeant Allen Greka, 29, Altoona (ph), Michigan, killed, Iraq, lost his life just days after his first wedding anniversary. Loved reading, New York Giants, Boston Celtics, dreams of being a cop. Leaves behind grieving parents Steven (ph) and Patty (ph), widow Jennifer (ph), daughters Rose (ph) and Lilla (ph). Allen Greka, American hero.

Thanks to our guests, but especially to you for being with us. See you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp o`clock Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.

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