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NANCY GRACE

911 Tape Documents Aftermath of Child`s Murder

Aired May 27, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Hillsboro, Texas. "I just killed my children." She says it to a 911 dispatch like she`s ordering fries at McDonald`s drive-through, words that send a chill down your spine, calmly, intentionally spoken words by a mom of two. Police race to one of the most disturbing scenes they`ve ever encountered, finding only one child still alive, hanging onto life by a thread, the other dead.

This after we learn Mommy lures her two girls to an abandoned Texas ranch by telling them, quote, she had a "surprise." Why, Mommy, why? We know why. Mommy angry over husband filing for divorce. Don`t worry, Mommy. There`s a seat reserved just for you. In hell!

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911 OPERATOR: Hill County 911. What`s your emergency?

DEBRA JETER, ADMITTED TO CAPITAL MURDER: I just killed my children.

911 OPERATOR: Excuse me?

JETER: I just killed my children.

911 OPERATOR: Where are you?

JETER: I`m in the abandoned house on highway 77, right after you go underneath the highway. One of them`s still alive. Hurry.

911 OPERATOR: What`s your name?

JETER: Call them. Have you already called them?

911 OPERATOR: Yes, ma`am, I have.

JETER: OK.

911 OPERATOR: I need your name.

JETER: I won`t say my name.

911 OPERATOR: Are you in your car?

JETER: No, I`m not in my car. I`m in the house, walking around. And one of them`s still alive for real. She`s asking to be saved, and I couldn`t handle that. And so (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: She thinks she`s in an abandoned house (INAUDIBLE)

JETER: It`s been a long time. She might already die because she`s bled out a lot and -- hold on. What, baby?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE)

JETER: (INAUDIBLE) She said please tell you to hurry.

911 OPERATOR: OK. We`ve got people en route. Get an ambulance because one of them`s still alive, she said.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

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911 OPERATOR: Hill County 911. What`s your emergency?

JETER: I just killed my children.

911 OPERATOR: Excuse me?

JETER: I just killed my children.

911 OPERATOR: Where are you?

JETER: I`m in the abandoned house on highway 77, right after you go underneath the highway. One of them`s still alive. Hurry.

911 OPERATOR: How -- under what highway? You`re on highway 77 where?

JETER: I`m on highway 77, right after you go under 35 going towards Milford. Get an ambulance out here to save the one that didn`t die. Come on.

911 OPERATOR: What`s your name?

JETER: Call them! Have you already called them?

911 OPERATOR: Yes, ma`am, I have.

JETER: OK.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GRACE: And breaking news tonight. Conmen, grifters, they come in all shapes and sizes, every color under the sun and at every station in life, even a princess. That`s right, the Duchess of York busted, working a scam to the tune of nearly a million dollars. And it may not be the first time. Fergie, the Duchess of York, busted on video.

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SARAH FERGUSON, DUCHESS OF YORK: So I can`t do the rules and regulations, but then I don`t really adhere to rules and regulations.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Have you seen this yet?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hidden video showing the Duchess of York, Sarah Ferguson, allegedly trying to sell access to her ex-husband, Prince Andrew.

FERGUSON: If we want to do a big deal with Andrew, then that`s the big one.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I do want, of course. OK, no, of course. So you need 500,000 pounds...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "News of the World" says Ferguson asked for half a million pounds, which equates to about $700,000 to, quote, "open doors."

FERGUSON: Five hundred thousand pounds when you can to me -- open doors.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That would be Prince Andrew?

FERGUSON: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that a deal?

FERGUSON: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just as she`s about to leave, the duchess drops one more shocker, falsely telling the man on the tape the Duke of York is on board with this deal.

FERGUSON: And -- and as Andrew said, listen, if he`s going to be kind enough to want to play, then Andrew will play.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let`s play.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You see a woman who is clearly in deep financial distress, by her own admission.

FERGUSON: (INAUDIBLE) one of my own books. One of the books is "Ashley Learns About Strangers."

(LAUGHTER)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And it`s a very sad and sorry state of affairs.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. Live Hillsboro, Texas, "I just killed my children." She says it to 911 dispatch like she`s ordering fries at McDonald`s drive-through, words that send a chill down your spine, calmly spoken words by a mom of two. Why? Mommy angry over her divorce upcoming.

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911 OPERATOR: How many children do you have?

JETER: Two.

911 OPERATOR: Two?

JETER: One of them`s dead. One of them is dead. She`s dead, dead. But the other one, she wants to be saved. And I -- she needs to be saved and I don`t (INAUDIBLE) Tell them to get out here.

911 OPERATOR: Honey, they`re coming. They`re coming. Do you have any weapons?

JETER: I do. I have a knife.

911 OPERATOR: She has a knife.

JETER: Should I throw it away?

911 OPERATOR: No, ma`am. Just put it -- she`s got a knife.

JETER: Please hurry.

911 OPERATOR: OK. Tell her we`re on our way. Can you not tell me what your name is?

JETER: Hold on.

911 OPERATOR: What`s your name, darling?

JETER: I`m not telling you my name. And I`m not your darling.

911 OPERATOR: How old are your children?

JETER: Hold on. Hurry up!

911 OPERATOR: Honey, they are coming. They`re on their way. You should be hearing lights and sirens -- seeing lights and hearing sirens.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GRACE: Straight out to Michael Board, reporter, WOAI Newsradio. Michael, the 911 call is so disturbing, so upsetting, the way she tosses off the words, "I killed my children." She`s perfectly, completely in control. And I understand her attack on her two girls -- she was angry because the husband filed for divorce?

MICHAEL BOARD, WOAI NEWSRADIO: Nancy, what`s amazing about this case is this is a woman with borderline personality disorder. She`s been diagnosed...

GRACE: Did you say borderline?

BOARD: Borderline personality disorder. Plus, she has...

GRACE: Don`t start with me about borderline personality, OK? Hold on!

BOARD: She`s not been...

GRACE: Bethany Marshall...

BOARD: She`s not been clinically diagnosed.

GRACE: Bethany Marshall, borderline, not clinically diagnosed. She isn`t crazy! She is angry over a divorce, and she killed one of her children, tried to kill the other one.

I`m sorry, I can`t hear you, Bethany. OK. Let me know when you get Bethany up. Back to you, Michael Board. Explain.

BOARD: Well, it`s amazing. And what will just amaze you about this case -- like I said, a woman with borderline personality disorder, diagnosed with suicidal tendencies. And Nancy, there`s a judge in Texas who thought it would be a good idea if she had custody of her two kids for weekend visits.

GRACE: Jean Casarez, what can you tell me?

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": Well, I can tell you that the sheriff`s department told your staff just minutes ago that what happened was that Debra Jeter started driving around in her car with her children all over Hillsboro, and finally found an abandoned home. She took the children in, telling them she had a surprise for them. She had a knife on her.

She took the older girl and slit her throat in the bathroom first. The older girl told the younger daughter, Leave, get out of here. The younger girl came back to her sister in the bathroom. The older daughter tried to protect the younger daughter, getting multiple stab wounds at that point on her back. The younger daughter had her throat slit. She died. The older girl has survived.

GRACE: OK, I think we`ve got Dr. Bethany Marshall. Bethany, weigh in.

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: This is not just about borderline personality disorder! This is a mother who hate, hate, hated her two children! Why? Because they`re cute, because they`re little, because they`re darling, because they had her ex-husband`s attention.

And borderlines, although this is not attributable to that disorder, they plot and they plan forever, and she probably had on her mind that she wanted to kill them. And she made that suicide attempt, remember, two weeks before in front of them. That was her first act of torture, was probably the third or fourth in a long line of acts of torture. And the final act of torture was stabbing them.

Now, when she calls 911, she does that with such an imperious tone because she`s in charge. She feels the little girls had what they got coming, and now she`s going to order up the dispatcher to order up the ambulance because she`s going to tell everybody what`s what and put them in her place. It`s her moment of power and glory.

And remember, with homicide, when a person is pleased with what they`ve done, there`s a flattening of emotion after the homicidal act because they`re satisfied with the act.

GRACE: Take a listen to more of the 911 call.

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911 OPERATOR: Are you in your car?

JETER: No, I`m not in my car. I`m in the house, walking around. And one of them`s still alive for real. She`s asking to be saved, and I couldn`t handle that. And so now...

911 OPERATOR: She thinks she`s in an abandoned house at that location.

JETER: It`s been a long time. She might already die because she`s bled out a lot and -- hold on. What, baby?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE)

JETER: (INAUDIBLE) She said, Please can you hurry.

911 OPERATOR: OK. Well, we`ve got people en route. Get an ambulance because one of them`s still alive, she said.

Do you have any weapons?

JETER: I do. I have a knife.

911 OPERATOR: She has a knife.

JETER: Should I throw it away?

911 OPERATOR: No, ma`am. Just put it down. She`s got a knife.

JETER: Please hurry.

911 OPERATOR: OK. Tell her we`re on our way.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

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911 OPERATOR: Hill County 911. What`s your emergency?

JETER: I just killed my children.

911 OPERATOR: Excuse me?

JETER: I just killed my children.

911 OPERATOR: Where are you?

JETER: I`m in the abandoned house on highway 77, right after you go underneath the highway. One of them`s still alive. Hurry.

911 OPERATOR: How -- under what highway? You`re on highway 77 where?

JETER: I`m on highway 77, right after you go under 35, going towards Milford. Get an ambulance out here to save the one that didn`t die. Come on. Hurry up.

911 OPERATOR: What`s your name?

JETER: Call them! Have, you already called them?

911 OPERATOR: Yes, ma`am, I have.

JETER: OK.

911 OPERATOR: I need your name.

JETER: I won`t tell you my name.

911 OPERATOR: Hello?

JETER: Hello?

911 OPERATOR: Are you still there?

JETER: Yes, I`m still here.

911 OPERATOR: 77 toward Milford, right after you cross under the bridge. She`s telling me she`s killed her children.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

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911 OPERATOR: Can you not tell me what your name is?

JETER: Hold on.

911 OPERATOR: What`s your name, darling?

JETER: I`m not telling you my name. And I`m not your darling.

911 OPERATOR: How old are your children?

JETER: Hold on. (INAUDIBLE) Hurry up!

911 OPERATOR: Honey, they are coming. They`re on their way. You should be hearing lights and sirens -- seeing lights and hearing sirens. You said you just -- you cross under the bridge that goes on 77 toward Milford. You cross under the bridge to 35, and you`re in an abandoned house. Is that right?

JETER: Yes, under 35.

911 OPERATOR: Cross under 35.

JETER: ... (INAUDIBLE) on 77, the abandoned house up on the hill on the left. Hurry the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) up!

Tell them to hurry.

911 OPERATOR: They`re hurrying, honey. They`re hurrying.

JETER: Oh, my God. She`s dead. Oh, my God!

911 OPERATOR: How old are the children?

JETER: I won`t tell you. She wants you to hurry! She wants...

911 OPERATOR: Honey, they are coming. They`re coming as fast as they can. They`re trying to be sure -- do you see them?

JETER: They`re coming!

911 OPERATOR: Do you have any weapons?

JETER: I do. I have a knife.

911 OPERATOR: She has a knife.

JETER: Should I throw it away?

911 OPERATOR: No, ma`am. Just put it -- she`s got a knife.

JETER: Please hurry.

911 OPERATOR: OK. Tell her we`re on our way. Can you not tell me what your name is?

JETER: Hold on.

911 OPERATOR: What`s your name, darling?

JETER: I`m not telling you my name. And I`m not your darling.

911 OPERATOR: How old are your children?

JETER: Hold on.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Right out to Sue in California. Hi, Sue.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. I`ve been trying 14 years to get through to you, since the days of Johnnie Cochran, and you looked at him and said, Cochran, is that all you have to say? Then shut that piehole of yours! Anyway...

GRACE: Good times.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... I Googled you on the Internet and found out you had lost your fiance, and I said OK, Keith (ph), you and I are going to pray that this beautiful young woman has a double blessing in her lifetime. And it took a few years, but you got it! And anyway...

GRACE: God is not always on our timetable.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s right. It`s on his time. But I was wondering, if this woman wanted to commit suicide so badly, why didn`t she slit her own throat? Was there any, you know...

GRACE: You know what? You know what, Sue in California? I have asked that question so many times. But first of all, I want to thank you because that was all the way back in 1997 that I debuted with "Cochran and Grace." May God rest his soul. And so you`ve stuck with me for a long time, and I want to thank you very much.

To Bethany Marshall. I`ve asked this question a million times. They always talk about how they`re going to kill themselves. They never do. They kill somebody else. Why?

MARSHALL: Well, I think what happens is the rage oscillates back and forth towards the object and then back towards the self, towards the other and then the self. But usually, it wins out that they want to kill the other person.

But what Sue is talking about, this suicide attempt -- she was playing at trying to attempt suicide in order to torture her daughters, all right? She played at it. Just like on these 911 tapes, she plays at being a mother when she says, Oh, my God, hurry. She`s suffering. It`s not a true attempt. It`s just playing at somebody -- at something. It`s playing a role.

GRACE: Everyone, these are photos from FaceBook that you`re seeing.

We are taking your calls. To Bessie, Indiana. Hi, dear.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Love you and those beautiful twins, Johnny and Miss Lucy!

GRACE: Thank you so much. They -- I just can`t imagine a mom calling 911 dispatch and saying, I just killed my kids.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know. I want to know, why was she in this abandoned house, and was she living there?

GRACE: She had been driving around, looking for the right location to use for the murders after telling her children, her two daughters -- honor students, Girl Scouts, you name it, and they were so excited -- the mother and dad were splitting up. The father was filing for divorce. And one post on her, I think it was her FaceBook, Yay, I get to see my mom tomorrow.

What about it, Michael Board? Why this -- this ranch?

BOARD: It`s a premeditated murder. She was looking for a place. She scouted out houses. She picked this one. It`s just outside of town, the perfect place if you don`t want to be found.

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911 OPERATOR: I need your name.

JETER: I won`t tell you my name.

911 OPERATOR: Hello?

JETER: Hello?

911 OPERATOR: Are you still there?

JETER: Yes, I`m still here.

911 OPERATOR: 77 toward Milford, right after you cross under the bridge. She`s telling me she`s killed her children.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: Can you tell me what happened? Ma`am? Hello? Ma`am? Can you tell me what happened?

JETER: I can`t get the door open!

911 OPERATOR: You can`t get what door open, darling?

JETER: The front door, so y`all can come in when y`all get here. Why won`t it open?

911 OPERATOR: I don`t know.

JETER: Hold on.

911 OPERATOR: Are you on the right-hand side of the road or the left- hand side of the road, sweetie?

JETER: (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: They`re coming. They`re coming. I just -- I just want to try to clarify -- clarify exactly where they are.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls. To Mel in New York. Hi, Mel.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. I love your show because you always tell it like it is.

GRACE: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I had a good friend who killed herself last year. She had borderline personality disorder. And I saw what we went through with her. And people with this disease lash out at themselves and everyone around them. What I want to know is, having been diagnosed with this and having tried a suicide attempt, whether it was play or not, why was this woman allowed to keep her children? Where was the father, the family, the neighbors, the friends, everyone else?

GRACE: Hey, Mel, you`re referring to a friend of yours that had a personality disorder. What was the disorder?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was borderline personality disorder, which is the same thing they say that this woman had. And it is a serious mental disease. But I want -- what I want to know is, where was everyone else around this woman who killed this child and almost killed the other one?

GRACE: Hold on. Let`s go to Bethany Marshall. Explain the borderline personality disorder.

MARSHALL: Well, borderlines have no psychological skin, so everything enrages them, makes them envious, makes them hurt. And then they cannot regulate themselves. So their relationships are characterized by clinging behaviors, where they cling to other people. And then at the slightest slight or injury, they become enraged and they cut the other person off.

They often have oceanic rage. The rage is the size of the ocean. It goes on and on. And when they hate somebody, the plotting and planning can go on forever. In fact, sometimes it even takes on a timeless quality and they will not rest until that person is punished, or dead.

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911 OPERATOR: Do you have any weapons?

JETER: I do. I have a knife.

911 OPERATOR: She has a knife.

JETER: Should I throw it away?

911 OPERATOR: No, ma`am. Just put it -- she`s got a knife.

JETER: Please hurry.

911 OPERATOR: OK. Tell her we`re on our way.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

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UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: She says she`s in -- she`s in the abandoned house. Yes, in the house on the hill.

DEBRA JETER: Hold on.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: Sweetie, do you hear them now? Do you hear the sirens and stuff? Are you there?

JETER: I`m here.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: Are you still with me?

JETER: I`m still with you.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: Hello?

JETER: I`m here. They`re not here.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: They`re on their way, sweetheart. They had to come from different parts of the county.

JETER: Hold on, kids. They`re coming. Tell them not to shoot me. I don`t have a gun.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: OK. She doesn`t want to get shot because she doesn`t have a gun.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: When they get there, tell her --

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: OK. When they get there.

JETER: Uh-huh.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: I want you to lay the knife down. Out -- when you get the door open, I want you to lay the knife down so they can see that you don`t have any weapons.

JETER: OK.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HOST: To Michael Board, reporter, WOAI Newsradio, whatever has happened with the other child?

MICHAEL BOARD, REPORTER, WOAI NEWSRADIO: There is one child. And from what I`ve been told that she is getting better. She is -- it`s been a year. She is -- she`s progressing. She`s getting better. Obviously she is going to need a lot of counseling. I mean it was her mother that tried to murder her. But I`m told that she is getting better.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. Out to Mel in New York. Hi, dear. Oops, sorry. Natalie in Florida. Hi, Natalie.

NATALIE, CALLER FROM FLORIDA: Hi, Nancy.

GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?

NATALIE: God bless you and your children.

GRACE: Thank you.

NATALIE: Yes, I guess the last guy just answered it. I mean one minute her mom is slicing her throat and stabbing her sister, the younger daughter. How many years of therapy is this poor child going to have to go through? Because, I mean, she watched her sister die, and then her mother has the audacity to say, "what, baby," when she`s talking to the operator, the dispatcher on 911.

That`s just sick. That`s just sick.

GRACE: And did you notice that she says, "Don`t shoot me?" She`s worried about the police might shoot her when they show up. And also, they keep asking her name. And she apparently knows enough not to give her name.

Everyone, you`re seeing photos from Facebook.

To Sheryl McCollum, crime analyst, director of Cold Case Squad, Pine Lake, P.D. What do you make of it, Sheryl?

SHERYL MCCOLLUM, CRIME ANALYST, DIR. OF COLD CASE SQUAD AT PINE LAKE P.D.: Straight-up revenge killing, Nancy. She had enough wherewithal not to save her own behind once with don`t shoot me. She had the wherewithal to do it the second time by copping a plea to keep the needle out of her arm.

GRACE: You know what? Frankly -- you know, Sheryl, I think that the death penalty is for -- of course for a jury to decide and are saved for the worst of the worst.

MCCOLLUM: Right.

GRACE: But I tell you what. I would have had a hard time as a prosecutor taking a plea.

MCCOLLUM: Amen. The death penalty was made for her, Nancy.

GRACE: Eating a dirt sandwich to stand up in court and let this woman plead to life.

MCCOLLUM: Absolutely.

GRACE: When she did this so coldly and so calculatedly to her daughters. Two of them, luring to an isolated ranch, saying she had a surprise for them.

You are seeing shots of the little daughter she murdered. And don`t tell me -- unleash the lawyers, Susan Moss, Alan Ripka, Peter Odom.

Don`t tell me, Susan Moss, she didn`t know what she was doing. She knew the location. She was calm, cool, coherent. She wouldn`t say her name because she didn`t want it to go over the airwaves. She begged please don`t shoot me. I don`t have a gun.

She`s not crazy.

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY & CHILD ADVOCATE: Not at all. A sentence of life isn`t enough for what she did with that knife. But I want to talk about how she got unsupervised access -- unsupervised overnight access when they were before the court, the judge said OK, husband, you get to look at the medical records, and the court will look at her mental health medical records as well.

But nobody looked at them before they allowed her to have unsupervised overnight access. That was an absolute travesty. It should never have happened. And we see the results.

GRACE: OK, Ripka, give me your best shot.

ALAN RIPKA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: This woman is absolutely sick and was insane. And if she had a good lawyer, she would have pled temporary insanity.

GRACE: Why didn`t she kill herself if she is so crazy, Alan Ripka?

RIPKA: Well, you don`t have to kill yourself to be crazy.

GRACE: No, you don`t have to.

RIPKA: There are many -- there are many forms of being crazy, Nancy. And killing or trying to kill your own kids is one of them. And sounding like this --

GRACE: And you`re driving me straight into one of them with that ridiculous comment that she was crazy.

Peter Odom, she is not crazy. If she were crazy, they wouldn`t let her enter a guilty plea. They wouldn`t give her life without parole. She`d be in the mental ward right now. She is not crazy.

If her lawyers thought she was crazy, they wouldn`t let her enter that plea. They wouldn`t be putting her in with general population if she were insane.

PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, the evidence in this case is going to make -- would make an insanity plea really tough. The calmness on the line, the premeditation, the fact that -- you know, borderline personality disorder is not a diagnosed mental illness. It`s a description.

I think Dr. Bethany would agree with me on that. The insanity defense would not have worked. She did what she needed to do and copped a plea to life to save her skin. So it was the smart thing to do. Very high risk of the death penalty on this evidence.

GRACE: Joining us right now, Dr. Marty Makary, physician and professor of public health. He is joining us out of Johns Hopkins.

Always a pleasure to have you. You know, the emergency personnel reportedly responded to the call. It was about an overdose a few weeks before. What I`m wondering, in your line of business, Doctor, what do you make of failed suicide attempts?

DR. MARTY MAKARY, PHYSICIAN, PROF. OF PUBLIC HEALTH, JOHNS HOPKINS: Well, usually those are very dangerous situations because we know that the recurrence rate for the attempted suicide attempt is extremely high. And oftentimes when they have a propensity to inflict themselves, they may do the same for others.

And we know that when police arrived at the scene when the children were hurt, that one of them was taken by helicopter. And basically, there were probably seconds left that allowed that child to survive.

So the people go in and out of these ideations where they`re inappropriate, and then once again talking in a way where they`re actually trying to help the people that they have hurt. And it`s a completely bizarre behavior that all the flags go up when somebody has a suicide attempt.

GRACE: To you, Clark Goldband, there is so much more to this story. But most of it deals with the chilling nature of the way the mom lured the children. Tell the viewers what you know about this.

CLARK GOLDBAND, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Sure, Nancy. The mom arrives at the dad`s house at about 6:00 p.m., and she tells the kids let`s go. We`re going to have some fun. About three hours later, this death happened.

And I also want to point out, Nancy, the mom was training to be a nursing student. So she knew all about the human anatomy. And in fact, she even told people -- I`m sorry, she even told her children to move around fast so they would bleed out faster.

We`ve just gotten some information in from the sheriff`s office as we speak. And sheriffs have just told us that in fact the mom felt sorry when her oldest child was pleading for her life just to die, and that`s when she called 911.

GRACE: Everyone, the pictures that we`re showing you, and you see one child`s face -- her. This is the little girl that was murdered. Keltsey Leeann Jeter, age 12. Girl Scout, honor student. Was so excited. She was going to get to see her mom.

The other little girl now 14 -- she was 13 at the time. We are blurring her face.

I just wonder what they`re going -- the one that lived is going to go through for the rest of her life.

Dr. Bethany, tell me.

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": It`s cataclysmic when a parent doesn`t love you or neglects you. But can you imagine when the one person who is supposed to protect you literally stabs you in the back? The one person.

How can you trust anybody else for the rest of your life? And let`s think about post traumatic stress which she undoubtedly has. Numbing and detachment from others. Tearfulness, depression, and flashbacks.

GRACE: And Bethany --

MARSHALL: And I think we all know what she is dreaming about.

GRACE: Like even right now, right now, the first thing -- one of the first things that each twin says in the morning when I wake them up, John David says where is Usi? And Lucy says where is John David?

They are so close. They`re together all day, every day. They sleep in the same room at night. And I`m thinking about these two girls, 12 and 13. What this girl, the 13-year-old, is going to go through with that survivor complex that her sister -- her sister was murdered by her mother.

MARSHALL: Nancy, I know. I have a twin. And when she is sick or not well, I have dreams about her. And I know from my clinical practice when a patient survives a disastrous situation, they always mourn and feel guilty about the ones who are left behind. And she is going to be stuck with that situation, that psychic situation for the rest of her life.

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JETER: Tell them to hurry.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: They`re hurrying, honey, they`re hurrying.

JETER: Oh my god, she is dead. Oh my god.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: How old are the children?

JETER: I`m not telling you. She wants you to hurry.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: Honey, they are coming. They`re coming as fast as they can. They`re trying to be sure -- do you see them?

JETER: They`re coming.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: On the couch, smoking and drinking from a bottle of wine on the table, that is the Duchess of York. As you will hear, she thinks she is making a very sweet deal for herself.

SARAH FERGUSON, FORMER DUCHESS OF YORK: 500,000 pounds when you can, to me -- open doors.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It would be Prince Andrew?

FERGUSON: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that a deal?

FERGUSON: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She is asking a businessman for a total of $720,000. And in return she promises him she can open doors, provide him special access to her ex-husband, Prince Andrew, the Duke of York.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But I`ve got to give you $40,000.

FERGUSON: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Ferguson didn`t know the meeting was secretly videotaped.

FERGUSON: If we want to do a big deal with Andrew, then that is the big one. And that`s -- that`s when you really open up whatever you want.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: And that the man she is talking to is no international business tycoon, but a reporter with the London tabloid "News of the World."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The American Council --

FERGUSON: Well, no. UBHS basically.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

FERGUSON: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Account.

FERGUSON: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Very simple.

FERGUSON: Completely. Within that everything, whatever you wish.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

FERGUSON: Yes. You can do so much.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you.

FERGUSON: Thank you.

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GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Con men, grifters, they come in all shapes and sizes, even princesses. That`s right. The Duchess of York is busted on video accepting nearly $1 million to pull strings that only she could to get inside the royal family.

Out to Neil Sean, royal watcher, joining us, CNN London. Neil, thank you for being with us. What exactly happened?

NEIL SEAN, ROYAL WATCHER: Well, good evening, Nancy. Yes, I mean, what a coup really for the "News of the World," and how ridiculous and silly Sarah, Duchess of York. What has she done?

Once again she`s totally embarrassed the royal family over here. But, you know, in her defense, and you know it`s a very thin one, Nancy. In her defense, she is quite a guiles to the character. And you know when you look at that video, you do see a woman who is not a princess, but like almost a borderline (INAUDIBLE).

You know, she`s there with no makeup on, looking really run-down, desperate to get her hands on the bag. She can`t believe that the money is right in front of her. And anybody else with an ounce of brain might of have thought, you know what? This smells a little bit strange.

But for her, because she`s in dire financial needs right now, and figured that this was going to be a fast track, an easy way to put herself back on track.

GRACE: Explain the nature of the con. What was she going to do in exchange for the money?

SEAN: Well, this is the funny thing really, Nancy, you know. If you really want to meet Prince Andrew, it`s not that expensive. Trust me. I could take you to him myself. But I think from her point of view, she was trying to set up, you know, business deals, connections.

So like maybe there is a dinner party that that person would attend with her. And in turn without saying that she knew that person, you know, they would then get to chat and meet Prince Andrew, who could be allegedly influential to that particular business deal or whatever they wanted to do.

Quite why she decided Prince Andrew was so lucrative has baffled everybody over here in the UK, I have to tell you, because we don`t kind of hold him in that much highest steam.

GRACE: But doesn`t he have a special position, an unpaid position, as an envoy, a business envoy?

SEAN: Yes, he is a royal ambassador for her majesty The Queen and an ambassador for British business. But, you know, we know him over here as Air Miles Andy because he seems to cost us more than he actually brings in business, but you know, hey ho.

And I think what`s interesting with this particular sting is the fact that, you know, why would you want to get in front of Prince Andrew? If you wanted somebody, you would want the Queen, Prince Philip, or, you know, Prince Charles.

So he is really way down the pecking order. But this is the sort of world that Sarah Ferguson is living in. You know, sadly, she is kind of lost a little bit, you know. She told me recently that she turned down a chance to be in reality shows because she didn`t want to offend the Queen.

That`s the reason why she said she found other ways to earn her own living.

GRACE: Yes.

SEAN: And the way that she`s earned her living is in America where you pay her quite handsomely.

GRACE: To Ellie Jostad. Ellie, what exactly was the bust? How did they do it?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Well, what the "News of the World" did and -- they have a reporter there who`s become sort of famous for doing this, catching people in sting.

What he did was he posed as this wealthy businessman. He met with Sarah Ferguson once here in New York. Apparently that visit not taped. Met with her again in London, went out to dinner with her. Later had him go with him in his car to his apartment. And that`s where this deal went down.

On the video we allegedly see her shaking on the deal. We see her sitting at the table with what it looks like a big pile of money. We see her take the money in a bag and walk out.

GRACE: Right now, Jon Mark, security consultant and owner of Spy Tec. How does this type of camera work?

JON MARK, SECURITY CONSULTANT & OWNER, SPY TEC: Well, Nancy, first, kudos to the UK news group. They did a very good job setting it up. And they put out very standard devices that today are readily available. So you see on the screen now this is the tissue box.

GRACE: Yes.

MARK: And the tissue box has a built-in video camera and the recording device. And a battery that will power it for 10 hours. So it basically is a totally enclosed unit that will give you excellent --

GRACE: With me is Jon Mark, security consultant, owner of Spy Tec.

We`ll be right back with Jon and we`re taking your calls as we go to break. Happy 7th birthday to tiny crime fighter David. David is heading to the second grade this fall. He loves football, baseball.

Happy birthday, little David.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Sarah Ferguson reportedly first met the reporter, the man she thinks she`s doing business with, earlier this month.

FERGUSON: If we want to do a big deal with Andrew, then that is the big one. And that`s -- that`s when you really open up whatever you want.

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GRACE: To Marvet Britto, image consultant, the Britto Agency.

Marvet, you know, I think a lot of Americans have always had a soft spot for Fergie, the commoner. But this, to put the reputation of the royal family, such as they are, on the line so she could make money using what strings she has left.

I mean, she must be spending money like a drunken sailor. I`ve got some of her expenses. She`s racked up $7 million of debt after divorce. On one shopping spree, spent $72,000?

Her nickname is Freebie Fergie. I mean, she`s obsessed with Chanel. It`s just --

MARVET BRITTO, IMAGE CONSULTANT, THE BRITTO AGENCY: Like she`s living --

GRACE: I don`t know how the people there can stand to support her. And I`ve always been on her side. Until now.

BRITTO: I think many Americans have been on her side. We`re infatuated with royalty. And I think we have sadly looked for her to live up to the same level that Princess Diana did and hold the same moral standards.

But, you know, she really penetrated the trust and the privacy veil that is symbolic of the royal family by betraying that trust and betraying the very family that she was once a part of.

So it`s very, very saddening and just -- and we`re really disappointed because we certainly hold -- held her to a higher standard and she let financial troubles cause her to make poor judgment and exercise poor judgment and betray the lack of trust that she certainly --

GRACE: So, see, Ellie Jostad, I find this to be more than just poor judgment. This is a conscious decision and she`s now got to answer up to parliament. That`s like a congressional hearing as to whether she`s done this before.

JOSTAD: Right. Well, obviously people are very concerned about this because of the security risk. Who was she introducing to Prince Andrew? Had this happened before? Now, apparently Buckingham Palace doesn`t want to investigate, but there are members of parliament who say, the only way she can avoid a formal inquiry is if she comes clean, tells them everything about these kinds of activities that may have been going on.

GRACE: Everyone, let`s stop our talk of Fergie to remember Marine Sergeant Jeremy McQueary, 27, Columbus, Indiana. On a third tour, also served Afghanistan. Awarded the Purple Heart, Navy Achievement Medal, two Combat Action ribbons.

Loved antique cars, visiting historical sites, fishing, camping, four wheeling. Leaves behind mother, Debora, stepfather, David, sister, Rebecca, widow, Ray, baby boy, Hadley.

Jeremy McQueary, American hero.

Thanks to our guests, but especially to you for being with us. And a special good night from Georgia friends, Virginia, Sonny, and Nancy.

Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern, and until then, good night, friend.

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