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ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Video Released of Van Der Sloot and Murdered Woman; Police Search for Boy Missing from School
Aired June 7, 2010 - 19:00:00 ET
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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, inside the final hours. Joran Van Der Sloot caught on tape, entering his hotel room with Stephany Flores right before she was murdered. Two walked in, only one walked out. Two days later she was found dead inside this hotel room, her neck broken, her body brutally beaten. Did the killer use a tennis racket? Tonight, we`ll examine the spine-chilling video as Joran heads to Peru`s toughest prison.
Plus, kidnapped on the way to class. A 7-year-old boy dropped off at school never comes home. It`s every parent`s worst nightmare. His mom even watched him walk down the hallway, but he never made it inside his classroom. Tonight, where is little Kyron?
Plus, bombshell new developments in the Drew Peterson case. His fourth wife, Stacy, mysteriously vanished in 2007. Now a snitch and a hot tip have led cops to dig up a remote area in Illinois. Drew Peterson is already awaiting trial in the death of his third wife. Tonight, have cops finally found wife No. 4, Stacy Peterson?
ISSUES starts now.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, stunning, bone-chilling new video shows Joran Van Der Sloot, the prime suspect in the brutal murder of a 21-year- old woman, with his alleged victim. These are the last moments of this young woman`s life. You`re looking at her walk to her death right now.
At 5 a.m., Joran gets the room key from the front desk of the Lima, Peru, hotel. He has a terrifying, sinister smile on his face, at least I think he does. Stephany Flores Ramirez follows behind him. She`s looking down.
Almost four hours later -- four hours later -- the surveillance camera captures Joran leaving alone. He`s wearing fresh clothing. He`s carrying a backpack. Inside that bag, authorities say Joran was hiding blood- drenched clothing.
A smiling Joran coolly chats up hotel employees. Police say he told them, "Don`t disturb my girl," quote/unquote. Hotel house keeping says Joran left the TV inside that room blasting. They thought somebody was inside. They didn`t go into the room for two days. Did the deafening volume of the TV muffle the sounds of Stephany being savagely bludgeoned to death?
Plus, brand-new gruesome information. Police say the killer used a tennis racket to beat Stephany to a pulp, and her killer may have ripped off her jeans. Stephany was found wearing only a T-shirt and a pair of red panties.
Hotel employees say they saw Stephany with Joran, a man they say, quote, "looked nice. He looked like Brad Pitt." I`m sure Brad Pitt isn`t too happy about that description, but behind that handsome facade, is this the face of a sociopathic, cold-blooded killer?
Van Der Sloot could get up to 35 years in a Peruvian prison if charged and convicted. Is that harsh enough for the sick, vicious crime? I want to hear from you at home. Give me a call: 1-877-JVM-SAYS. That`s 1-877- 586-7297.
Straight out to my fantastic expert panel, all of them experts on this case. But first, I want to begin with Jean Casarez, correspondent for "In Session" on TruTV. She is live in front of police headquarters in Lima, Peru, where Joran is being held.
Jean, you have brand-new, breaking new details about the condition of Stephany`s body and the clothing she was found in. Start from when the hotel worker finally goes in that room. What does she find?
JEAN CASAREZ, CORRESPONDENT, TRUTV`S "IN SESSION": Well, it was the early morning hours of Wednesday. And the reason she went into the room was because he hadn`t paid his room rent for two days. And so her supervisor said, "Just take the key and go in there," so she did.
And when she walked into the room, she first saw lights. There were lights on all over. She heard the television and saw that it was on. She saw a bed that was totally dismantled, the mattress was off of its box springs. The sheets were off. And then she looked to the right and she saw a body on the floor. She thought it was Joran Van Der Sloot, because that was the person that was in her mind, but she saw it was a female.
The female was on her back. Her legs were folded to the left. Her right arm was extended outwards and bent, her left arm extended outwards and bent. Her feet had many, many bruises on it. Her chin had a lot of scratches on it. She had a bruise on her right middle finger that had an open wound on it. And there was general bruising all over her body.
What happened then was that the front desk clerk went back out, called her husband, called 911, and that is when police came to the scene and that is how they found the scene when they arrived.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: We are getting in brand-new, grisly details of Stephany`s wounds. You just heard Jean describe the bruises on her face, the bruises on both of her feet, the wound on her finger, the scratches on her face, the bruises on her arms and both knees. I mean, this was a hideous, violent beating. Her knees up to her chest in a defensive posture. Her body lying on top of a sheet, clothing strewn everywhere, the mattress moved.
Stephany`s cousin told HLN`s Nancy Grace she was so badly beaten, she was missing an eye.
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ENRIQUE FLORES, VICTIM`S BROTHER: Saw her because we decided that one of us first is going to see her and see how -- she how was she, but they said she didn`t even have an eye. She was -- she was unrecognizable.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s go to Raphael Vertiz, who is in our Miami studio. He is a cousin of this victim, Stephany Flores Ramirez.
First of all, Raphael, our hearts go out to you. Our deepest condolences to you and your family. I can`t imagine, after hearing those descriptions, what you must be going through.
Tell us about Stephany. Tell us about her as a person. I know you spent a month with her last year. What`s she like? What`s she like? What was she like?
RAPHAEL VERTIZ, COUSIN OF VICTIM: She was a nice girl. She was a 21- year-old, happy, always with a smile, making me laugh all the time. Nice girl. Nice, intelligent girl.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: And she was very involved in business, was she not? She was helping her family with certain businesses?
VERTIZ: Yes, she was going to school for business administration. Third year. I guess she wanted to follow her father`s steps.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, why do you think she went into that hotel room? I mean, she`s following him. To me, it doesn`t seem like they`re romantic in any way, shape, or form.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s not like they`re hugging or kissing when you see them go into the hotel room. She`s following him. I mean, it`s almost like he could have said anything. He could have said, "I have a new card system that I want to teach you. Come in and come to my room. I`ve got a pack of cards, and I`ll teach you something. When you see them go into that room, they`re not behaving in any way, shape or form, as a romantic couple.
VERTIZ: Yes. It`s hard for us to understand why she went in that room. I mean, it could have been that she was drugged. We don`t know. I mean, it`s hard -- hard to understand. It`s like you said, it`s weird the way they went in. It wasn`t like they were hugging or anything. It was like two friends going in. You know, it`s hard.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, she doesn`t appear -- she doesn`t appear to be drugged. But then again, we can`t tell on videotape, because your -- the father of this victim had said that he was informed by police that there were date rape drugs in her car, and Joran and Stephany had been in that car, so she might have been slightly drugged.
I mean, people have cartoonish attitudes about how somebody behaves when they`re drugged. They don`t always keel over. They can just be a little woozy, and they might have their head down while they walk into a room. It`s quite possible.
Matt, Tennessee, your question or thought?
CALLER: Yes. First of all, I would like to say I am so sorry to both of these families, Natalee and Stephany`s family, for their loss.
I cannot understand, whenever I stayed in a hotel before, the maids knock on the door each morning to see if you need clean towels, whatever. I know that Joran had said...
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me jump in here because, Jean Casarez, there was a very good reason why they didn`t go into that hotel room. Explain to us how he said what he said to the hotel workers and also the TV being on and all that.
CASAREZ: When he left that morning, that early Sunday morning, and he had his backpack and he had his duffel bag, he said, "Don`t disturb. My girl is in there. Don`t disturb." And so they took that to heart, apparently. And they didn`t do that.
And it appears as though it`s a hotel where the front desk knows a lot about you. They even keep your room key when you leave, and you pick it up when you come back.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Alan Lipman, you`re a psychiatrist. You`re taking all this in. What do you make of this sort of bizarre video of them walking in like they`re just two people who were very casually acquainted, nothing romantic between them? Then what happens in there and him leaving? Dr. Lipman?
Mike brooks, what do you make of it?
MIKE BROOKS, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: It looks like almost a business transaction, like you were saying. It just does not -- it doesn`t look like there was any kind of romance there.
But you know, they`ll be able to tell, Jane, whether or not there were possible date-rape drugs in her system when all the toxicology reports come back. Because keep in mind, no charges have been filed. The investigation is still ongoing. Hopeful -- and the Peruvian officials are hoping to build a good and solid case against this guy.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I wonder if she went in there on some pretext. He could have said anything: "I have a moon rock I want to show you." And once inside, a hotel worker heard arguing. He may have made some moves. She rejected him. He pulled off her panties. He goes into a rage, because she doesn`t want to have sex with him, and the next thing you know, she`s dead and he`s got $5,000 that he takes off with. That`s my hypothesis. I don`t know.
BROOKS: Jane, that could have been the motive. Five thousand dollars to this guy, you never know. Because all her wounds, they look like defensive wounds to me.
BROOKS: Like the bruising on the arms and the cut fingers and her position of her body looks like -- sounds like defensive wounds to me, Jane.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Or a dual motive.
BROOKS: Could be.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Maybe "I want to have sex with you. You don`t want to have sex with me. I`m going to kill you, and I`m going to take the money."
VELEZ-MITCHELL: We don`t want to convict him. He`s going to be facing justice in Peru, which is a whole other story we`re going to get to right after the break.
Everybody, stay right where you are. More on the shocking surveillance tape. What does it tell us about the night of the murder? We`re taking your calls on this: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.
Plus, are cops closing in on Stacy Peterson`s body? Drew Peterson`s wife No. 4 vanished 2007. Tonight, they are digging and digging and digging in a specific location. Have they cracked this case?
But first, this video. Joran Van Der Sloot finally facing some hard time. Or will he get away with it? You know what I mean. Like Aruba.
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DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S FATHER: I think (UNINTELLIGIBLE) this time. I think his pattern is the same pattern. Try and lie and get his way out of it. He`s tried to avoid this justice system for a long time. And you know, it`s -- I`m afraid it`s going to come back and haunt him some day. (END VIDEO CLIP)
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S MOTHER: Totally, totally dragged us all through hell, this Joran Van Der Sloot. It`s just despicable what he`s done. It`s a sad form of a human existence.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
VELEZ-MITCHELL: My big issue tonight: the tape will tell. How did Joran Van Der Sloot lure Stephany into that hotel room? Are the clues in the tape? It doesn`t seem like they`re headed for a sexual encounter. There`s no hugging, holding hands, no kissing. As you`ll see in a second, she`s standing several feet behind him with her head down.
Her father says date-rape drugs were found in her car, which she and Joran were in, but she doesn`t seem drugged, although it`s certainly hard to tell on video. In just a second, you`ll see, there she is following him, first through the lobby and then into the actual hotel room.
Stephany`s jeans were ripped off her. She was found in just a T-shirt and panties, but she was not sexually assaulted. So did she die fighting off a sexual advance in that room?
A woman who says she was Stephany`s ex-girlfriend told ABC`s "Good Morning America" that Stephany was a lesbian and would never go in hotel room with a strange man. Let`s listen.
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STEPHANIE JIMENEZ, FRIEND OF STEPHANY FLORES: This guy, I mean, appeared out of nowhere. They went to a hotel, and I just can`t believe that. I don`t see how she could have gone to the hotel with this guy. She wouldn`t do that. She wouldn`t do that.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Psychiatrist Dr. Alan Lipman, what do you make of it all in terms of why she was so brutally murdered?
ALAN LIPMAN, PSYCHIATRIST: Violent, impulsive, aggressive psychopath. You know, the word has been out over the last 24 hours that he may be a serial murderer, and in the technical sense, he is, but when you look at the Ted Bundys and Jeffrey Dahmers of this world, they`re obsessed -- obsessively focused on the hunger to kill.
This is a guy who is obsessively focused on stimulation. He wants violence. He wants theft. Look at, after all, what he did with Natalee Holloway`s mother, where he coerced her to give over $15,000 for information. This is a brutal psychopath who will do what he needs to get what he wants.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, that`s alleged at this point. Now, you bring up this whole issue of extortion.
LIPMAN: Yes. Alleged.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Joran has also been charged in the U.S. with extortion. He`s accused of trying to extort a quarter of a million dollars from an unnamed person in Alabama. In exchange...
LIPMAN: And received $15,000.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Right. He would tell them where Natalee Holloway`s body was and the details of her death. Now, HLN affiliate, NBC-13 in Birmingham, says law enforcement sources confirmed to them the target of Joran`s alleged extortion plot was Natalee Natalee`s mother, Beth. HLN has not been able to independently confirm this, but I want to go to Tim Miller, director of Texas EquuSearch.
The victim allegedly wired $15,000 into Joran`s account, which he may have used to travel to South America. Do you think if they had acted sooner on this extortion issue, they could have stopped him from traveling and perhaps saved Stephany`s life, Tim?
TIM MILLER, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH: Well, you know, I`m in Aruba right now, and I`ve actually got a map that Joran wrote and drew another map down here where Natalee`s body is supposedly at.
You know, Joran was very convincing to a lot, a lot of people. He`s exported thousands and thousands of dollars over the past years with lies. Every time he moves his lips a lie was coming out it, and he`s very, very convincing.
And you know -- you know, Aruba has a lot of mud on their face right now. Joran Van Der Sloot should have been in prison for the disappearance/murder of Natalee Holloway, and unfortunately, that investigation -- and Jane, we talked about it yesterday, should it be reinvestigated? And remember, I said it never was investigated as far as...
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Right. Is it your understanding that Beth was the victim of the extortion and that Beth sent the money? We have not been able to get a comment from her attorneys. This is just what other people are reporting.
MILLER: Well, and yes. And you know, the other thing is that he was actually on the island here in Aruba, and it was a money transfer -- wire transfer here in Aruba. And Aruba authorities had him under surveillance and could have arrested him at that minute, held him for 30 days.
America would have extradited him back to America. He could have gotten a 20-year prison sentence in America. And again, he slipped through the fingers of the Aruban authorities, took the $15,000, went to Peru, gambled, had a good time, and ended up -- murdered another girl.
BROOKS: Not surprising.
MILLER: And Jane where do we -- where do we know that Joran Van Der Sloot has been over the last five years? Natalee and Stephany are not the only two victims of Joran Van Der Sloot. We know he spent a lot of time in Thailand.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I do believe they`d better check where he`s been and who he`s been with.
Stick around. More on this...
VELEZ-MITCHELL: More on Joran Van Der Sloot in just a second. But first, in tonight`s spotlight, a parent`s worst nightmare. The desperate search continues for a missing second grader who simply vanished in school in broad daylight.
Kyron`s step-mom says she saw him walking down the hall to his class last Friday, but somehow, the little boy never made it. No one knew he was missing until he didn`t come home on the bus. It`s enough to bring police, hardened law enforcement, to tears.
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CAPTAIN JASON GATES, MULTNOMAH COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE: Kyron, we`re going to -- we`re going to bring you home, buddy. Nothing is more important to your family, and your friends, and to us.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Straight out to Jennifer Anderson, reporter with the "Portland Tribune." She joins us by phone.
Jennifer, you were at the last police news conference. By the way, as you talk, we`re going to show video of some drawings that we just got in that were made by this missing boy, who apparently loves to draw, and these are -- oh, look at that. Look how beautiful those drawings are. Oh, my gosh. It just -- it kind of, you know, touches your heart and makes -- makes this all the more gut-wrenching that this really adorable little boy is just nowhere to be found.
What`s the latest, Jennifer?
JENNIFER ANDERSON, REPORTER, "PORTLAND TRIBUNE" (via phone): It was definitely heartbreaking out there. There were a whole bunch of media parked outside the school and parents and kids going about their day, but it is just shocking to know that someone like this happened in a quiet, tight-knit community such as Skyline Elementary.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Set it up, what happened? You know, was there a science fair? What happened?
ANDERSON: There was a science fair on Friday. It was open to all the kids and their families. And Kyron and his step-mom were there right before school started. Then his step-mom left, waved good-bye, and said that she thought he was at school, but when he didn`t come home on the school bus, she called 911, and he hasn`t been seen since.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, a lot of people are wondering why Kyron`s family hasn`t come forward to talk to reporters. Captain Gates offered this explanation. Let`s listen.
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GATES: At this hour, they`re not ready for that. And -- but when they are, we want to get them -- we`ll get them in front of the camera or help accommodate that process when it`s appropriate for them.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
VELEZ-MITCHELL: This photo was taken of Kyron on Friday, the very day he disappeared. There was a science fair going on. He was wearing a "CSI" T-shirt and dark cargo pants.
Jennifer, what do we know about Kyron`s family, in particular, his biological mother? You said his step-mom dropped him off. What about his biological mother?
ANDERSON: His biological mother is Desiree Horman. She lives in southern Oregon and came up immediately on Saturday when she heard the news. Apparently, the police say that she`s talking with them, and she just hasn`t come forward yet into the public spotlight, but they say that she will when the time is right.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: They`re doing a whole bunch of searches right now. Is the theory that maybe he was on a science fair, got carried away, and decided to go out into the woods? Or is this being treated as a kidnapping?
ANDERSON: It`s not being treated as a kidnapping. They haven`t classified it as such, but they also say that he`s not the type of kid at all who would have wandered off into the woods. So no one really knows what happened at all.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s just so horrifying because for parents, you think, "Well, OK, he`s at school. Then I can stop worrying." And now it appears we can`t -- parents can`t even stop worrying when their kids are in school. And look at this angel.
We -- we hope -- thank you, Jennifer. They`ve got to find him.
Coming up, shocking new video shows Joran Van Der Sloot walking into a hotel room with his alleged victim.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Inside the final hours. Joran Van Der Sloot caught on tape entering his hotel room with Stephany Flores right before she was murdered. Two walked in, only one walked out. Two days later, she was found dead inside this hotel room, her neck broken, her body brutally beaten. Did the killer use a tennis racket? Tonight, we`ll examine the spine-chilling video as Joran heads to Peru`s toughest prison.
Plus, bombshell new developments in the Drew Peterson case. His fourth wife Stacy mysteriously vanished in 2007. Now a snitch and a hot tip have led cops to dig up a remote area in Illinois. Drew Peterson is already awaiting trial in the death of his third wife. Tonight, have cops finally found wife number four, Stacy Peterson?
Sickening new twists and turns in the tragic death of legendary sitcom actor Gary Coleman. TMZ now reporting Coleman`s ex-wife -- are you sitting down -- hired a production company to take pictures of Coleman as he lay dying on his hospital bed.
Sources say Shannon Price posed for pictures with Coleman while he was bloodied and his body was riddled with tubes. One of the pictures allegedly showed Coleman after he died.
Believe it or not, it gets worse. Sources say Shannon Price is now shopping these gruesome pictures to the highest bidder. Now a representative for Price admits the family did took pictures but insists they were never meant to get out and that she`s in no way profiting from the photos.
Either way, this woman is not making friends in Hollywood. She made that bizarre call when Coleman collapsed. She refused to go near his body. She also made the decision to pull the plug on his Gary`s support. Now she`s begging fans for money for the funeral.
Maybe she should pull the plug on her judgment and use any leftover funds to see a shrink.
That`s tonight`s "Top of the Block".
Stunning breaking developments coming in to ISSUES: Joran Van Der Sloot, the only suspect in the case of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway is being interrogated as we speak in Peru. He`s the prime suspect in the brutal beating and murder of 21-year-old Peruvian woman, Stephany Flores Ramirez. He was caught on camera with Stephany the last time Stephany was seen alive.
A smiling Joran gets a hotel room key from an employee and follows -- Stephany follows him into the room. You`ll see this in a second. There he is getting the key. In a second they both walk into the hotel room.
Hours later, Van Der Sloot leaves alone, and when he leaves, he`s wearing fresh clothing and carrying a backpack. Police say he told hotel employees, "Don`t disturb my girl," and left the TV blaring inside the room. So it took them a couple days to even go in there.
We`re now hearing grizzly new details about her murder. She was allegedly beaten with a tennis racket, her neck was snapped, she was covered in blood and bruises and wearing just a T-shirt and panties.
Jean Casarez, correspondent for "In Session" on TruTV joins us again live outside the very police station in Lima, Peru where Joran is being held. Jean, what are the very latest developments? What is happening with Joran?
JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION" CORRESPONDENT, TRUTV: The latest with Joran is that a criminal investigation continues to take place.
Look behind me. This is where he is. This is the building right behind me where he`s housed in a single cell. This is the criminal investigation building for the national Peruvian police. An entire building is devoted to solely their criminal investigation.
Now, once this criminal investigation is concluded and that will probably be at the end of this week, beginning of next week, and I think we can see why it was extended because all of the potential evidence that has been found in that room and on his person. But at that point, he will be transferred from here to another downtown jail area which is near the prosecutor`s office. The judge will then determine, once the formal charges are filed -- remember, we don`t have formal charges yet -- once they`re filed, the judge will determine what jail he will go to during the --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: And I have to jump in. Take a look at this -- he has orange hair there. Look at the orange hair that he has. When you look at the surveillance video, if we could pop up the surveillance video, ok, you can see that he had dark hair. So he dyed his hair.
MIKE BROOKS, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: I tell you what, first thing that pops in mind, Jane, who dyed his hair blond right when he was caught? Scott Peterson. This guy, Van Der Sloot, definitely wanted to change his appearance to try to escape. There`s no doubt in my mind about that.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, Jeff Brown, criminal defense attorney, apparently when they opened his backpack, they found bloody clothes -- I wonder why he carried that 25 miles into another country -- and also a laptop. Given that there are concerns he could be an alleged serial killer, what do they need to do with that laptop?
JEFF BROWN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I think they`re going to look at the laptop to see who he`s been talking to, what the e-mails are. But let`s not jump ahead here and call him a serial killer. I mean there`s just no evidence for that.
Granted it looks horrible for him right now. But the one thing I still want to see it the videotape. If you look at the bottom of the screen, you`ll see a running counter by the second and the minute. I want to see that tape and see who else came into that room from the time he left to the time they found the body. If there`s nobody, then you`re probably right in closing the prison door behind him.
But until I see that tape, I think you still have to keep an open mind and remember he`s innocent until proven guilty, even as bad as it looks right. Let`s look at that tape to make sure nobody else went into that room.
BROOKS: Jane, keep in mind also on that computer could be some evidence involved in that extortion case. So that`s --
BROWN: That extortion case is very weak. Very weak.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: One at a time.
BROOKS: Be that as it may, counselor, evidence is evidence. But they are going to look for that. I`m just looking at it from an investigator`s standpoint.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: What I don`t understand is why on earth, Dr. Allen Lipman, would he keep bloody clothing when he went from Lima all the way to the border and then crossed into Chile and was gone for several days? If he`s so darned clever, why the heck would he keep bloody clothing in his backpack?
DR. ALLEN LIPMAN, CRIMINAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Two reasons: because he may be a vicious, impulsive, opportunistic, selfish enraged psychopath, but he`s a bad psychopath. And people who are bad psychopaths always leave some way that they can get caught.
You know, it`s very interesting, Jane, that this event occurred on the fifth anniversary of the murder of Natalee Holloway. Keep in mind Van Der Sloot`s s father died in February of this year. This is a guy who is starved for stimulation, rage, sex, murder, attention. And this is someone who would go so far, I believe, as to commit another murder at this time, perhaps to get it.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Emily, you wanted to make a quick comment; Emily on the phone.
EMILY, IOWA (via telephone): Yes, hi, Jane. Thanks for taking my call. I want to say my thoughts and prayers go out to Stephany and Natalee`s family.
And your panel kind of answered my question. I was wondering if the camera has been on the room --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: -- the whole time.
BROWN: Should be 24/7.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s amazing.
EMILY: You could see if someone else was in there or not?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I think if somebody else had gone into that room, we would have known about it now. They have videotape running continuously right on the room.
Take a look at this mob scene -- this mob scene going on in Peru as Joran Van Der Sloot, as the doctor very carefully said, finds himself again at the center of the world`s attention. But what price will he pay for that attention?
Those Peruvian prisons, they`re not good.
BROOKS: Not good.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, thank you, panel. Turning now to chilling developments in the case of accused wife killer Drew Peterson: Illinois police got a tip about the possible location of his fourth wife`s body, Stacy.
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MASTER SGT. THOMAS BUEK, ILLINOIS STATE POLICE: Investigators from the Peterson -- Stacy Peterson disappearance, possible homicide investigation team are here conducting a search of the area. They have been here since day break.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Stacy Peterson vanished in 2007. Investigators focus on a 100-square foot area on a private farm in central Illinois. Police will not say where they got the tip, but TMZ claims they have learned Peterson told a fellow inmate how he allegedly killed Stacy and how an accomplice helped hide her body. TMZ says the inmate called cops who then visited the alleged accomplice who then took cops right to the scene.
Next month, Peterson goes on trial foe death of his third wife, Kathleen Savio. She died mysteriously in 2004. The cop has never been charged in Stacy`s appearance. He says he never laid a hand on any of his wives.
Check this out.
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DREW PETERSON, SUSPECT IN WIFE`S DISAPPEARANCE: It`s mind-boggling. It`s like people are looking at me under a magnifying class and it`s very upsetting.
What I had for breakfast is news worthy so it`s crazy. Please go home. Thanksgiving is in the next couple days. Please go home, please leave me alone. Please don`t get involved in my world.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Straight back to my fantastic panel. And also joining me, Drew Peterson`s attorney Joel Brodsky -- he`s with us tonight. As well as investigative reporter Michelle Sigona; Michelle, what is the very latest?
MICHELLE SIGONA, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Well, I can confirm that investigators were out there on Saturday and also I spoke with Allen Harn (ph) who is an archeologist that was out on the scene. He`s been an archeologist in the area for 49 years and not once over 1,300 skeletal remains that he has (INAUDIBLE) over, Jane, has he been wrong on claiming (ph) an age, a sex, a race of a particular victim.
He was out there on Saturday from 7:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. with a sharp shovel grating the ground because cadaver dogs went in and they hit on three spots in about an acre, a little bit about an acre to a half on that farm land.
And so -- and so Allen went in with his shovel and it just took a very long time, that`s when he found the bones of -- of two animals. And then they need to go back out there and to continue to grate that land. What he suggests to authorities is that they go out with radar equipment to be able to survey the land --
SIGONA: -- to see if there are bones underneath.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, on the other side of the break, Joel Brodsky, Drew Peterson`s attorney. Everybody stay right where you are wife number three dead, wife number four missing. Are cops any closer to solving this mystery? And we`re taking your calls, 1-877-JVM-SAYS.
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DREW PETERSON, SUSPECT IN WIFE`S DISAPPEARANCE: I have no idea what anybody is talking about like that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Warm to the touch.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He says he believes that he helped you dispose of your wife`s body. Can you at least respond to that?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not at all.
PETERSON: No response. Talk to my lawyer. I got nothing.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No truth to it whatsoever?
PETERSON: None. Nobody helped me with anything.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: On October 28th, where were you on October 28th? This gentleman said he helped you carry a container out of your home?
PETERSON: You have to talk to my attorney.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Drew Peterson`s own step-brother Thomas Morphey said he became suspicious when he helped Peterson move a blue barrel that was warm to the touch. He said he is convinced Stacy`s body was inside.
Here he is on "Good Morning America" just last year.
THOMAS MORPHEY, DREW PETERSON`S STEPBROTHER: I said to him, well, isn`t it going to smell, what about the smell?
And he said it would be in a sealed container. I knew it wasn`t -- it wasn`t good. He was planning on killing somebody.
I had been drinking. I`m not going to deny that I`ve had drug and alcohol problems. He takes me to a park. Hands me a cell phone and says can you hang on to this?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And while he`s gone, the phone rings.
MORPHEY: The rings yes, I look down in it and it said Stacy.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So why do you think now that he gave you his phone and left?
MORPHEY: I believe he was setting up pings, cell phone tower pings.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To state a location for himself at that time.
MORPHEY: Exactly. Exactly.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right Joel, you`re Drew Peterson`s attorney. You have this guy saying --
JOEL BRODSKY, DREW PETERSON`S ATTORNEY: Yes I am.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: -- he helped dispose of Stacy`s body. Now you get reports from TMZ that there is somebody who says that he is an accomplice and took police to a location where they`re digging. What do you say?
BRODSKY: I wonder how -- how many accomplices are there? Are we going to get five or six of them? Look, it -- there have been leads and there have been tips for this case for the last three years. Not one -- not one has panned out, not one has had any factual basis whatsoever.
And this is just another one of those. I think they came up with two possum bones during the search all day Saturday for all the hoopla they went through it, and they have nothing.
This whole thing is based upon a supposed inmate tip, but Drew is in isolation. He doesn`t have any contact with inmates, so this whole thing is just a fallacy.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, that`s a good point, Bradford Cohen. If he can`t talk to other inmates, how was another inmate supposed to find out from him that he had done this, allegedly?
BRADFORD COHEN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Precisely and not only that, now who is telling the truth? This inmate allegedly or the guy, the brother in-law who said that he helped him? So all these people are now coming forward saying they helped him bury a body and really nothing is really panning out.
And if they thought it was a credible lead in the first place, why didn`t they use radar equipment from the -- from jump?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, they are going do radar equipment, Mike Brooks, that`s my understanding.
BROOKS: Right, that`s what they`re supposed to be doing, Jane, they suppose to go back with this ground-penetrating radar, and it shows anomalies under the surface of the dirt.
But they were out there with cadaver dogs and the cadaver dogs allegedly hit on something, but cadaver dogs Jane, are trained on human scent, not on animal scent.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, what happened to the blue barrel?
BROOKS: Yes that was --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What happens to this blue barrel?
BROOKS: -- exactly, that was Thomas Morphey with the blue barrel. Then they were -- they`re never searching the canal for a blue barrel.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Maybe the body got transferred from the blue barrel - - maybe the body got transferred from the blue barrel to the other barrel that`s underneath. We don`t know.
Very briefly, Dr. Allen Lipman, psychiatrist; so this Drew Peterson guy, he`s -- he`s a piece of work, isn`t he?
LIPMAN: Well, he`s certainly is a piece of work, and while everyone is innocent until proven guilty, certainly the changes regarding the late Ms. Savio and the way that her death is now regarded as homicide certainly puts this into a sharper perspective.
I actually have a question for Mr. Brodsky.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well --
LIPMAN: Joel, may I ask you a question?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ten seconds.
LIPMAN: Why do you think -- I have worked with many, many cases of women who have fled.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Five seconds.
LIPMAN: They always let someone know. Why do you think Stacy, no one has heard from her despite a massive manhunt?
BRODSKY: Well, they don`t always let somebody know. And I think we had a case --
LIPMAN: I have worked with hundreds of these cases Joel, over 20 years.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right.
Let him answer. She does have two kids. I mean, come on.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: She`s got kids.
BRODSKY: A month ago, a woman took off and -- and abandoned her husband and her kids. And didn`t tell anybody where she was until they found her living with another man in New Jersey.
LIPMAN: Massive manhunt, no signs.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`ve got to leave it right there guys. We`re going to stay on top of it.
LIPMAN: Joel they never looked until --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`re switching gears now to another outrage. I have boiling (ph) development, nearly two months into the BP oil spill, animals dying, people have died, oil still spewing. There is no end in sight even if this oil well is capped by summer. It could take months, maybe years to deal with the spreading spill.
You`re looking at a live picture of that hideous oil spill in the Gulf. It makes me sick. This is an environmental disaster of monstrous proportions. All this oil washing up on beaches killing hundreds and hundreds of animals. The raging Cajun is angry more isn`t being done to stop the oil well and so are we.
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JAMES CARVILLE, CNN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR: These people are crying, they are begging for something down here, and it just looks like he is not involved in this. Man, you`ve to get down here and take control of this, and put somebody in charge of this thing and get this thing moving. We`re about to die down here.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: James Carville, why did President Obama who I thought was an environmental candidate ever decide to expand oil drilling when we`ve learned that it`s an ethical wasteland this Interior Department?
CARVILLE: Well, yes, the Interior Department got all kinds of problems, but the problems is I feel about offshore drilling the way I do about flying. It is fine if it is safe. If it is not safe, if the regulators are taking drugs or going to football games on tickets and stuff like that it is not safe. They need to clean this thing up.
One other thing is -- I have to say this -- South Louisiana is about to die. It`s really in bad shape because we rely so much on fishing and so much on oil and they shut all of these rigs down and there is just no employment base down there.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: And let me tell you something, I have more tough questions right after the break. Hang in there. Great to have you on.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: When BP made a decision to use a riskier method to seal the well right before the explosion, my question, James, where were the government inspectors? Were they having a beer pong party? Because we know they took meals and gifts from the oil company. We know they let them -- they let the oil company fill out their inspection reports in pencil and they simply would write over it in ink.
I mean, they were literally in the back pocket, our government inspectors in the back pocket of these oil executives.
CARVILLE: Honestly, that`s what the -- that`s what the Bush administration wanted and that`s what all of these economists at the University of Chicago tell us that we don`t need all this regulation. So, this was some kind of a cap-less nirvana they had there. They let BP do anything they wanted to, and now just like we see with these banks, we see the disaster, the utter failure.
We have the biggest environmental not disaster in this country`s history, biggest environmental catastrophe as a result of the biggest public policy catastrophe, the idea that these people can self-regulate themselves.
They can`t. You are right. This MMS was a horrible agency. They were going to football games and some report that they were even taking drugs and stuff. So you have every right to be outraged about this. People of south Louisiana have every right to be outraged. They were supposed to be regulated. They were supposed to be doing thing ascertain way and they weren`t doing it. It is not a good situation at all. Our culture is literally at war.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, but James, here`s my point. It was supposed to change when President Obama got elected. He ran as an environmental candidate. He ran as a candidate who was sensitive to the environment.
Meanwhile this whole lobbying way doing business continues on in Washington. The oil company spent $175 million. They are the third -- number three in terms of the lobbying in Washington. And he decided to expand drilling without cleaning up the mess within the Interior Department. That`s what I`m saying.
CARVILLE: I certainly think it`s a fair point. He had a lot of mess to clean up and to be fair to the Secretary of Interior, who I`m -- I haven`t minced words about this, they have begun to do that.
But let me tell you, it is not President Obama that tried to pass a financial reform bill that had 1,400 lobbyists, that the banks at Goldman Sachs hired to come here to stop that and they basically are going back to business as usual.
And what my fear is you look at these oil companies, you look at what they did to these indigenous people down in Ecuador with Chevron they won`t pay them a nickel. They destroyed the entire rain forest down there, their entire way of life, all these people. Look what Exxon did in Alaska, after 21 years of litigation they just walked away from these people.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I agree. And I think that is my big issue, corporate sociopaths. But why are we allowing them to continue? We all know the electric car was invented back in the 1990s and we could all be driving electric cars. Why are we still talking about how we need oil? Why isn`t this an opportunity to change everything and say, guess what, America, we have got to switch to electric?
CARVILLE: I`m all if we can switch, we are not going to switch tomorrow. And in the meantime, the country does need oil. I would be glad if they had electric car if we could get off of it. But one of the things they need to do is they need to get every CEO of every rig in the Gulf and the board of directors to sign off that these rigs are safe, they are ready to operate and we got to get them up and running again because right now, if you`re driving a car, most likely you are using oil and the price is going to go up. And people`s lives are being lost in south Louisiana.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`re out of time. Please come back. I want --