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ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Inside Joran Van Der Sloot`s Mind
Aired June 22, 2010 - 19:00:00 ET
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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Tonight, explosive new Peruvian documents send shock waves as ISSUES goes inside the sick and twisted mind of Joran Van Der Sloot. A jaw-dropping new psychological evaluation paints a violent portrait of a young man with zero tolerance for the word no and zero respect for women. And tonight, we`ll also examine Stephany Flores` blood-drenched autopsy.
Plus, a devastated mother`s never-ending nightmare. Her beautiful daughter vanished without a trace in the pacific northwest. It has now been one year since anyone saw 10-year-old Lindsey Baum. Tonight, I`ll talk to her desperate, heart-broken mother.
Plus, cold-hearted new twists and turns in the bizarre death of Gary Coleman. New reports say the sitcom star tried getting a restraining order against his ex-wife just months before he died. So, why in the heck was ex Shannon Price in charge of pulling the plug on his life support? ISSUES starts now.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL (on-camera): Tonight, inside Joran`s twisted mind. Joran Van Der Sloot gets a psychiatric evaluation from experts in Peru. You will not believe the stunning new details in this psych report. It says Joran hates women. He has no respect for females. It also says Joran cannot stand to be challenged, and he can snap when you tell him he`s wrong. It also says Joran`s behavior can be extremely volatile. He can spiral out of control at the drop of a hat. And the report finds Joran is indifferent to the well-being of other people. You think?
This goes hand in hand with Joran`s original confession that he snapped and murdered Stephany Flores. And, yes, that is the very confession he`s now trying to take back and retract. Joran claims Stephany saw a message about Natalee Holloway on his laptop computer, and he, quote, "lost control," killing her without thinking. Tonight, shocking, grisly, brand new details from the just released autopsy report on Stephany`s body.
Plus, Joran speaks out. The arrogant, poker-playing playboy brags to a Dutch newspaper while he`s sitting behind bars, mind you, I can still get the ladies. Joran says tons of women still want to marry him and even have his baby. Huh? Maybe, they need a psych evaluation as well. When the interviewer turns the conversation to Stephany`s murder, Joran shows no remorse, telling the reporter, I was framed. I`ll explain later.
Joran, who was deemed emotionally immature in his psych evaluation, also cried a river about life in his rat-infested prison cell, saying, I should have listened to my mother. How did this guy turn into the vile human being he is today? What do you think? Call me. 1-877-jvm says. 1- 877-586-7297. Straight out to my fantastic, expert panel, but first to Jean Casarez, correspondent with "In Session." She has the very latest from Peru.
JEAN CASAREZ, CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION" ON TRUTV: We are learning so much more from the document that we received from sources here in Lima, Peru. It is called the dennusia (ph). The English translation to our legal prison (ph) would be it is the formal complaint listing the charges and compilation of facts, but also, there are some summary conclusions in this from experts. And this is now in the hands of the judge. And as of yesterday, the formal investigation by the judge has begun.
A lot of this we`ve heard before but what is brand new are the psychological assessments made by professionals of Joran Van Der Sloot. And it paints a picture that we`ve never heard before, but I`m sure many have believed to have been part of his personality. It say that he is -- has psychological traumas that impair him in many respects from perceiving and evaluating reality, that he becomes indifferent when it comes to the well-being of others, that he`s constantly looking for new experiences that allow him to feel stimulated, that he is emotionally immature which creating him strong changes in his behavior so that a simple criticism, he can become out of control, which can move him to commit acts against the life of another.
And it goes on to say that he reflects on certain domination over women and that he does not value the female role, plus a disrespect of the female gender.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow! Given the nature of these explosive developments, we have to start with a psychiatrist. Dr. Alan Lipman, your reaction to what is in this psychiatric report.
ALAN LIPMAN, CRIMINAL PSYCHIATRIST: Jane, and Jean, that was a great summary, by the way. Look, three weeks ago, just as Joran had left the room with a bloody shirt behind him and wearing a clean shirt in flight, we said that Joran would be found to be a psychopath. Well, yesterday, two forensic experts turned in their report to the judge and they described him as a psychopath. Now, this is important for two reasons.
He`s not depressed. He`s not psychotic. He`s not out of touch with reality. Number one, this is someone -- this is critical with regard to competency, which is why they did this psychological testing. He is able to be held responsible for his crimes. And number two, it helps us to understand the sick, violent, impulsive, slick, deceptive, remorseless, deeply evil mind that has taken the life of this woman and at least perhaps one other.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you bring me, doctor, to my big issue tonight. Does misogyny equal murder? Here on ISSUES we talk all the time about the war on women, violence against women perpetrated usually by males. Joran`s psych evaluation shows he has complete disrespect for females and behaves toward them with an attitude of dominance. Where did this hatred and denigration of women come from? Is it because playboy Joran could get women so easily? Sometimes these patterns go back to early childhood.
Was Joran`s father, Paul Van Der Sloot, living vicariously through his popular, handsome son, proud that Joran was such a young ladies` man. Paul reportedly gave Joran a $50,000 credit line at an Aruban casino when he was not even old enough to gamble legally. Stephanie Good, you`re the author of "Aruba, The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway" and "Corruption in Paradise." Was Joran given free rein by his parents?
STEPHANIE GOOD, "ARUBA, THE TRAGIC UNTOLD STORY OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY": Absolutely. Jane, there`s no question about it. From the time he was a young kid, he had free run on Aruba. He could go into the casinos. He could go into the bars. He had -- he could run tabs in both of those places. He was even allowed to drive when he was under age. He could stay out till all hours of the night. There`s no question about it. This kid didn`t know any rules. And it`s not a big surprise now that he thinks he can get away with just changing his story over and over and over again.
I see him as an ego maniac. He definitely does disrespect women. We`ve seen that. We`ve seen it with what he`s done in Thailand trying to get women there to get involved in the sex trade. And we`ve seen it with just his ex-girlfriend. We heard some of the things that she said about him. So, there`s no question. There`s absolutely no question about what this kid was brought up like and what he still feels that he can get away with today.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Casey Jordan, criminologist, Joran`s parents reacted very protectively when he got involved in the Natalee Holloway case. He was the last person with her when she disappeared. And Joran`s dad reportedly allegedly said to him, hey, son, no body, no case, coaching him on how to deal with the situation. How did that impact him psychologically? Could that have made him feel like, I can do anything and get away with it?
CASEY JORDAN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Yes. It definitely added to the mix of the variables that led to his sociopathic personality. And what you got is a kid who, by all accounts, is overindulged. No one ever tells him no. Add that the concept -- and you do see this with children who are often the offspring of police officers, judges and lawyers. They get the idea that they`re tough (INAUDIBLE). Nothing is going to harm them because mommy or daddy can always get them out of it.
You definitely have that not just as a theory but actually confirmed when you had Joran`s father going around and saying, you guys have no case, no body, no crime. It really kind of rubber-stamped all of the perverse psychology in Joran`s mind already that, you know, women are there for him to exploit, life is just a playground, and his father confirmed that. Now, without his father to protect him, all bets are off.
MIKE BROOKS, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: And now without his daddy`s money, also, he`s having to pull scams all over the world.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: And in fact, I got to get to this, Mike. He claimed just now to the Dutch newspaper that he was actually lured to Peru by the FBI as part of a sting operation because they wanted to get him to Peru, so they could arrest him and extradite him back to the United States more easily. He even claims this guy named Garcia invited him to play at the poker tournament and pay his way to Peru. There was a sting operation conducted by the FBI against him. What do you make of it?
BROOKS: Sounds like he missed his opportunity being a screenwriter, Jane. I mean, this guy, you know, he makes up stories just to fit whatever is good for what he thinks is good for Joran. I mean, there`s no way. I can tell you that he was not lured to Peru by the FBI.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. Jackie, Pennsylvania, question or thought?
JACKIE, PENNSYLVANIA: I think five years ago when this all started with Natalee, it was evident to see he had no respect for women at all. He would refer to her as that girl.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: "B" word, yes.
JACKIE, PENNSYLVANIA: Just tell one lie after another and laugh about it like it was, you know, just nothing, nothing serious. And I think -- I think the best thing we can do now is Peru will probably should do (ph) is turn him out into the general prison public there, which couldn`t come a day too soon.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. He might suffer some terrible indignities if he`s moved into the general population. Right now, he is in protective custody in isolation at Castro-Castro Prison. We`re also going to talk about these women right after the break who actually are still allegedly contacting him and seeking marriage with this sicko. Stay right where you are.
BROOKS: Oh, boy, stay away.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. But there`s always, you know, somebody out there who does some like this.
BROOKS: Drawn to the dark side.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Does Joran`s psych evaluation match up with his confession? We`re taking your calls on this. 1-877-jvm-says.
Plus, new drama in the shocking death of Gary Coleman. Surprise, surprise. It all revolves around his ex-wife. Amazing guest on that story.
But first, what happened inside Joran`s blood-filled hotel room.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We need justice for our family, for Natalee`s family, too. I think he`s psycho, a murderer, and he has to pay.
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BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE`S MOTHER: Joran Van Der Sloot had confessed these sexual assaults that he committed against Natalee to us, her family.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, inside Joran Van Der Sloot`s sick and twisted mind. The mental evaluation given to Joran by Peruvian authorities shows Joran hates women, likes to dominate them and denigrate them. The shocking report also calls Joran emotionally immature. Yes, I would say so and adds that he cannot stand to be challenged. Joan, Massachusetts, your question or thought, ma`am.
JOAN, MASSACHUSETTS: Yes. I understand he also has two brothers. I wondered if the brothers have been treated as royally with $50,000 credit lines also and if either of those have been in any trouble.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: What do you know, Stephanie good, author, "Aruba"?
GOOD: You know, I don`t really -- they`re both younger than Joran. He does have one older brother that is supposed to be an illegitimate son of Paul`s, and he is an alleged drug dealer on the island who has a nickname of ecstasy. I don`t really know much about the younger brothers because they are younger than him, and at the time that this case all came up, Joran was only 17. And I believe the brothers were much younger. So, I really haven`t followed. But, you know, one of the things that we have to remember is when this case came down with Natalee going missing, from the night that Beth got to the island, Joran`s attitude was extremely arrogant towards her.
Now, if you had a kid who spent the last night of a girl`s life with her before she disappeared and if he was a decent human being, he would have wanted to go out with the parents and search for her. And Joran was arrogant. He really didn`t want to help. He had a lousy attitude. And at the same time, he was on this social networking page, MSN. And he was listed there. His tag line was, don`t hate the player, hate the game. And what does that tell you about him? You know, he takes no full responsibility on his own for anything he`s done. He shows no remorse.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Michelle Goland, clinical psychologist, had Joran`s parents been tough with him when Natalee disappeared and said, you`re going to tell the truth about what happened.
MICHELLE GOLLAND, PSYCHOLOGIST: Right.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Do you think Stephany Flores might be alive today?
GOLLAND: Absolutely. I really do. I actually, -- you know, there`s a big question of sociopathy and anti-social personality disorder made or is it nurtured, nature. And you know what we find is that even if you have a child that may have these tendencies of being impulsive, not caring about others` welfare, if you have a strong boundary and you go in and help them and guide them, you can help these children. That was the absolute opposite that was done by his parents.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. In fact, Joran`s mom, Anita, was his biggest supporter. She insisted that Joran was not 100 but 200% innocent in Natalee Holloway`s disappearance. Here she is on the "Today" show. Let`s listen to her and we got to react.
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ANITA VAN DER SLOOT, JORAN`S MOTHER: He`s a very honest boy. He`s very sincere. He cries. He -- in a sense, he feels guilty that he -- that he was there. He`s innocent. He keeps on repeating, mom, I don`t know anything.
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LIPMAN: Well, this is the essence of permissiveness and denial, you know, to pick up on the point that was just made. There`s a difference between authoritarian parenting which makes sociopaths worse as you know and the kind of guidance and strength that somebody like Joran needed. He didn`t get it. Instead, he got this permissive denial from his mom. And now, we see what`s happening. He was let loose on the world.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Stacy, Florida prosecutor. I just want to bring in Stacy. You know, Anita, the mom, is now telling "The Telegraph" newspaper Joran was on his way to a mental institution when he decided to go to Peru instead. She claims he`s paranoid and suffered severe psychological distress because of his father`s death. Could she be trying to set him up for an insanity defense as a part of her enabling?
STACY HONOWITZ, PROSECUTOR: Well, absolutely. That`s what you`re seeing here. That`s exactly what she`s trying to do. She`s trying to show the world to get the word out there that my son cannot be responsible for this crime because he`s mentally unstable. And she`s hoping that that information is going to lead to a not guilty by reason of insanity or some type of mentally deficient plea. Just like your panel has said, tough luck, it`s not going to happen especially with this mental evaluation.
LIPMAN: In the actual report that was done by the two forensic psychologists in Lima, they made it very, very clear -- and it`s interesting, the papers have not picked up on this point. They`ve read it the wrong way -- that he shows no evidence of psychosis. What they`ve said is that there is no loss of contact with reality. What they were trying to do was to underscore the fact -- this is what`s known in the U.S. as the McNaughton defense and it`s all over the world. This is someone who is in contact with reality, not psychotic, and thereby, competent and responsible, so --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Hang in there, panel. What can this bloody autopsy report tell us about the crime
Plus, a beautiful little girl vanishes without a trace. We`re going to talk to her mom.
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CAROLINA FLORES, STEPHANY FLORES` SISTER-IN-LAW: She was a new girl. She just have 21 years old. So, it`s impossible that she`s going to fight with him. She`s very -- he`s very tall, so it`s impossible.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: And we got brand new details of the autopsy report. Very bloody. Very gruesome. Joran Van Der Sloot undergoes a psychological evaluation, and guess what, they found out he hates women. I think we kind of already knew that from the Natalee Holloway case. Experts found that Joran was emotionally immature and would snap and lose control when somebody challenged him, but he`s still competent enough to know the difference between right and wrong. Liz, Connecticut, your question or thought, ma`am?
LIZ, CONNECTICUT: Hi. Can you hear me?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: How you doing? I can hear you just fine.
LIZ, CONNECTICUT: Well, hi. I`m glad to talk to you. Anita, she`s an enabler. They pampered him and I understand there were reports that the parents actually had a fear of him. He was such a temperamental (ph) child. Now, I`m wondering, have they ever investigated his younger years, kindergarten through 12 -- you know, kill animals or trouble in class or whatever because those are indications.
And another thing is if they slow down the camera as he`s entering the room with his cups of coffee -- what a show that is -- watch him look up at the camera quickly and then down. He`s aware.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I think you make a couple of very good points. His mother has said that he was a very, very good boy when he was younger. I think it is a cautionary tale, Michelle Golland, vis-a-vis child-rearing, that if you are going to -- and we`re going to show you that in a second, the shot of him going in and out of the room. But if you are going to pamper a child extraordinarily when they`re younger, you are sort of creating a monster that`s going to come back to haunt you when they get into their teenage years -- Michelle.
GOLLAND: I want to say, too -- I mean, clearly to me, Joran was also imitating a lot of his father`s arrogance. I mean, during the Natalee Holloway case, there were moments that he was so arrogant and so insensitive as well. I mean, he was clearly just modeling himself, I believe, after his father`s idea of what it means to be a man.
BROOKS: Right. Who was right by his side? His dad.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tell us about that, Mike, because my feeling is that the dad -- I mean, look, we can`t read inside, but I get the feeling that dad was kind of a buttoned-down nerdish kind of guy and was absolutely thrill that he had this strapping, tall, handsome son and was kind of living vicariously through him. Look at this guy. This guy is bespectacled, you know. He`s not like Joran.
BROOKS: I don`t know, Jane. He was a very powerful attorney there who was, you know, --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: One at a time. Mike, go ahead.
BROOKS: You know, I think, yes, maybe he was. But he was also a very powerful attorney there who was up for a judgeship and probably carried a lot of respect there on that island. And, again, maybe he lived a little bit of his life vicariously through his son and had his son at his side all the way through all his travails there on the island.
LIPMAN: What needs to be focused on is this guy`s narcissism. He clearly felt that he could control the events of Holloway`s murder, and that is a very narcissistic man. And we see that narcissism in Joran.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hang on. We`re going to get you more right after the break.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): The devastated mother`s never-ending nightmare. Her beautiful daughter vanished without a trace in the Pacific Northwest. It has now been one year since anyone saw 10-year-old Lindsey Baum. Tonight, I`ll talk to her desperate, heart-broken mother.
Plus, cold-hearted new twists and turns in the bizarre death of Gary Coleman. New reports say the sitcom star tried getting a restraining order against his ex-wife just months before he died. So why in the heck was ex Shannon Price in charge of pulling the plug on his life support?
But first, brand new breaking details from Peru. An autopsy report on Stephany Flores` body has just been released. Stephany had confusions on her head, lesions on her face, bruises on her scalp. Her skull was fractured. She had a brain hemorrhage. The autopsy ruled she was strangled and smothered which led to her death.
She also had amphetamines in her system. Testing in the hotel room showed blood all over the place: the floor, the bathroom, the hallway, the mattress.
Joran told police he only hit Stephany once and then strangled her.
Stacy Honowitz, that scene in that room and that autopsy doesn`t dovetail with one strike.
STACY HONOWITZ, FLORIDA PROSECUTOR: Well, I mean, listen to the person that you`re talking about. You`ve been sitting here for 20 minutes talking about the arrogance of this individual. So to say that he struck her one time is totally preposterous.
That`s why the first degree murder charges are the charges they`re going after, he`s looking at 35 years. Premeditation, it was done in a violent and ferocious manner. That`s evidenced by the autopsy report that you`re reading now: the blunt trauma, the blood all over the place, the strangulation, the hemorrhage to the brain; all of these factors are incorporated in a premeditation murder charge.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: And now we know that Joran`s psychological evaluation done in Peru says he`s emotionally immature and hates women and has an attitude of dominance toward them and denigration toward them.
Deborah, Virginia, your question or thought, ma`am.
DEBORAH, VIRGINIA (via telephone): Yes. I was wondering has anyone checked this Thailand coffee shop that he supposedly has? Because if they never found Natalee Holloway, suppose he has done something with her in Thailand?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you know, Stephanie Goode, you`re the author of "Aruba, the tragic untold story of Natalee Holloway and corruption in paradise". We all hope that perhaps she was alive even if it meant that she was sold into the sex trade. But that`s not very likely, is it?
STEPHANIE GOODE, AUTHOR, "ARUBA": Well, it`s not really that likely at this point in time that she would even be alive at this point if she was sold into the sex slave trade. You know, there was a lot of thought on that back five years ago. And believe me, as much as we`d like to believe that maybe she`s alive and maybe she`s in the sex slave trade, from what we`ve learned about that trade, I don`t think we really want her to be alive and in existence in an environment like that because I won`t even -- I won`t even tell you some of the horrible things we`ve learned that they do to these girls. But I can assure you --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, everybody always wants their child to be alive no matter what. But I think from my reading of this case -- and I`ve studied it inside and out, tragically, I believe she has died. And I think many experts believe that and that her remains may very likely never be found if they were dumped in the ocean, which is one of the many stories Joran told.
Now, investigators claim surveillance video from the day of the Stephany Flores murder -- we`re going to get back to that -- shows Joran desperately trying to establish an alibi; got to watch this carefully.
Joran -- take a look at it -- Joran leaves. We`re going to switch to that right now from Natalee Holloway to this. Yes.
Joran leaves his hotel room, ok. He`s got coffee cups in hand. He knocks on his own door to make it look like somebody is inside. Stephany`s dead body is behind that door. Then Joran finds a hotel employee to open the door for him.
Now, Mike Brooks, we were wondering why he wasn`t afraid that this porter -- there`s the porter -- would spot Stephany`s body. It turns out, mike, authorities believe Joran wanted this porter to discover the body. Explain.
MIKE BROOKS, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Right. He wanted this porter to discover the body. And if you notice, he doesn`t even knock on the door. He just goes and gets the porter after he comes out with the two cups of coffee to bolster his story that there was a robbery and somebody was hiding in a room and then they would go in and discover poor Stephany dead in the room, Jane.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: You know what? He`s maybe also watched too many TV shows because it doesn`t exactly work that way. And his days of skating, I believe, are over and done with.
Thank you so much, fabulous panel. As always here on ISSUES we will stay on top and bring you the very latest on the Joran Van Der Sloot saga.
Switching gears now, almost a year of agony and frustration for the family of a missing 11-year-old girl from Washington State. Lindsey Baum has not been seen since last June when she was walking home from a friend`s house just four blocks away in a densely populated neighborhood. Did she run away? Was she abducted by a stranger or by somebody she knew?
The outgoing preteen had many friends. Cops say they have clues sort of.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: While I have a lot of clues, I don`t have a lot of evidence to support any specific clue or scenario. So the investigation continues to remain comprehensive. We`ve talked to a number of people in the community.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Police say there were several witnesses who saw Lindsey near her house just after 9:30 p.m., the very night of her disappearance. An important point, it was still light out at that hour. When Lindsey hadn`t come home by about 10:45 her frantic mom called the police.
Now almost a year later police have released new surveillance videos in the hope that the public might come forward with information. The video is of a Shell gas station in McCleary, Washington. It was recorded right around the time Lindsey went missing.
The people in the video, they`re not considered to be directly related to the case but cops think they might know something just because they were in this convenience store right around the time that this child disappeared.
Tonight as we approach the one-year mark of this disturbing mystery, we are very honored to be joined by Lindsey Baum`s mother, Melissa.
Melissa, thank you so much for being here. Our hearts go out to you. And we here on ISSUES have one goal -- to find your precious daughter Lindsey.
MELISSA BAUM, LINDSEY BAUM`S MOTHER: Thank you. Thank you for having me.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you for being here. I know you`ve been through total hell.
You`re holding a "Day of Hope" event this coming Saturday. Tell us, with no breaks in your daughter`s case now a year old, how are you able to stay hopeful?
BAUM: I have to. I don`t have any other -- any other way to handle it. I mean, until I have proof I`ll continue to look for my daughter and plan on bringing her home.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: She`s a beautiful, beautiful girl. Tell us about Lindsey. Tell us about her personality.
BAUM: She`s a very vivacious -- she`s very outgoing, very talkative. She`s well known for her talking. She`s always been a straight A student. Very smart. Very mature. Loves to write stories. Loves animals. A very -- she has a very creative imagination. And she writes some really good stories.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I know this is tough for you.
BAUM: She`s just -- she`s so bright and she`s so full of life.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I know it`s tough.
BAUM: She`s just a wonderful girl.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: She`s a beautiful young lady; 10 at the time of her disappearance. She`d be 11 now. Let`s hope she is 11 somewhere.
In the year since Lindsey vanished, there have been very few developments in the search for this missing now 11-year-old. No surprise since there were precious few clues right from the start.
Here`s my big issue. Are there missing details? Usually in a case like this, we hear about something, a backpack, a purse, an item, a cell phone, a shoe. Lindsey`s mom tried to call her on the cell phone but discovered Lindsey had left the cell phone in the charger at home. Lindsey was 10 years old, once again, at the time she vanished.
Melissa, you volunteered to take a polygraph to avoid becoming the center of this investigation. At this point this trail seems cold. Are you completely perplexed by the fact that there doesn`t seem to be any information about this case?
BAUM: They have let me know that they have a lot of really good information that`s come recently. They`re very confident; they, being law enforcement, obviously, and the FBI.
I find it very difficult to believe and have for a while that I don`t believe there`s such a thing as a perfect crime. And I truly don`t believe that anybody in or around McCleary area would be capable of committing the perfect crime if there was one. So I am very confident that we will find Lindsey and we will find who took her.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: When a child goes missing, it takes more than an emotional toll on a family. It can wreak financial havoc as I understand happened with you. When your daughter vanished, Melissa, you lost your job as a customer service rep. You also lost child support. Your son has a form of autism; you were forced to get by on his social security benefits.
Then you had to move out of your house. You tried living with your family. That didn`t work out. Are you essentially homeless? And what has it been like experiencing financial devastation on top of this other nightmare?
BAUM: Well, of course it`s very frustrating. I didn`t ask for this to happen. You know, if this -- if whoever took Lindsey wouldn`t have taken my daughter, I would still be a working full-time single mom. I would still be supporting my children and we would still be getting by just fine.
Somebody took my daughter. My son and I, along with Lindsey, our entire worlds have fallen apart. But it is -- it is frustrating. I`m -- we`ll get through it and I`m -- I`m -- I know that. I`m ok with that. But it is frustrating to know that --
BAUM: -- there`s nothing in place.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I have to leave it there but I want to let our viewers know if you want to help her go to FindLindseyBaum.com. This mom needs your help.
Oh an amazing case. Gary Coleman, next.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: The plot thickens in the bizarre death of Gary Coleman.
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Last night on "LARRY KING LIVE" Ryan Seacrest, Kathy Griffin, and a host of stars raised almost $2 million for Gulf Coast disaster relief.
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CHELSEA HANDLER, COMEDIAN: I just have a whole history on the Gulf and a man from Florida called in and telling me all about his animals and what`s going on down there and how scared everybody is. So this is a good thing what we`re all doing. Everybody is chipping in.
ALYSSA MILANO, ACTRESS: I`m just really grateful for the opportunity to help out because I think like so many people you sit at home and you see the videos and you see the images and you feel completely helpless.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: If this seemingly endless spill and all the devastation it`s brought on people, animals, the environment and jobs feels like an endless torture to you, you can get some relief by taking action.
Join organizations that are fighting to save our natural world. There`s a whole bunch of them, the Nature Conservancy, the National Wildlife Federation and of course, the Humane Society of the United States. It`s not too late to help.
Visit my Web site CNN.com/Jane. We have a special section dedicated to saving the Gulf. Your donation might feel like a mere drop in an oil-soaked sea but, guess what, it`s a very important drop.
And that`s tonight`s "Top of the Block".
Meantime, some shocking new twists and turns in the death of child actor Gary Coleman. We are now hearing that Gary Coleman sought a restraining order against his ex-wife, Shannon Price, accusing her of trespassing into his home and stealing his belongings. This, of course, the very same woman who ordered doctors to pull the plug on Gary.
Radar Online obtained court documents which the "Diff`rent Strokes" star put into motion just months ago. They`ve never been seen before because they were filed under John and Jane Doe but there`s proof, Radar says, that they are legit. Gary signed them. The restraining order alleges Price has shown a tendency to damage, destroy and steal Coleman`s property.
And here`s the ex on ABC`s "Good Morning America" right after Gary`s death.
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SHANNON PRICE, GARY COLEMAN`S EX-WIFE: I just hope Gary`s happy and, you know, he`s in a better place and he`s not suffering anymore with - - with all the health issues he`s had over the years. I`m just happy that he`s -- he`s finally peaceful and at rest.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: So was Gary Coleman violating his own restraining order by sleeping in the same bed with his ex-wife? Was this your classic dysfunctional love relationship? Taking your calls 1-877-JVM-SAYS.
Along with my fantastic panel, we are joined by Gary Coleman`s former attorney Randy Kester. Randy, you were reportedly the lawyer who filed this restraining order on behalf of Gary Coleman. Can you tell us -- set the scene, what brought all this about? Why did he do it?
RANDY KESTER, GARY COLEMAN`S FORMER ATTORNEY: Well, I think as everyone knows Gary has been -- Gary was in severe ill health for a number of months. This occurred while Gary was in hospital in hospice care and didn`t have any means available to protect his own property.
I got a phone call from him while he was in the hospital saying that he was concerned about what was happening to his belongings and to his home and asked me to help get this restraining order and draft the affidavit in support of it.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Why on earth did he give her or allow her to keep, Randy, the legal ability to pull the plug on him?
KESTER: Well, I`m not certain that he did. The -- the consent form that -- that everyone has seen is from 2006. That consent form was actually rendered null and void by way of their divorce in 2008.
So that document was of no legal force in effect. They were divorced at the time of his death so in truth, in reality there was -- she had no authority to do what she did.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Carlos Diaz, what we`re hearing is a bombshell right there, if in fact, she told doctors that she had the authority to pull the plug and told them to pull the plug --
CARLOS DIAZ, SYNDICATED RADIO HOST: Right.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: -- and she didn`t have that, that -- that`s a big, big deal.
DIAZ: That`s a big deal both for her seeking the estate of Gary Coleman and this restraining order cannot help her as she seeks the -- the estate of Gary Coleman. And you know, Anna Gray also wanting the estate of Gary Coleman. When you have two people battling, one person has a restraining order just three months before Gary Coleman`s death, the other person doesn`t, you got to think the judge is going to side with the other person.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Gary Coleman was arrested last January on a domestic violence warrant. Police came to the house after Shannon called 911. Check out this.
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PRICE: I have a friend over here. You know, he`s like humiliated me in front of my friends. And you know it`s just (EXPLETIVE DELETED) I don`t know.
911 OPERATOR: Ok, does he look injured?
PRICE: I don`t know. I`m not going to touch him --
911 OPERATOR: You don`t know.
Price -- because last time I tried to help him he came after me.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Kent Emmons, you were a friend of Gary Coleman`s. What do you make of all these shocking new developments that, gosh, he wanted a restraining order against her? She -- according to what we`re just hearing now, that`s breaking news, allegedly may not have had the right to order doctors to pull the plug on him.
KENT EMMONS, FRIEND OF GARY COLEMAN: Yes, I don`t think there`s any question that she didn`t have the right to pull the plug.
The other thing too, and Randy will probably tell you this, you know, she was out of her mind, she was crazy. It kind of reminds me of that movie "Misery" with Katherine Bates and James Caan. I mean, she was very controlling and really made his life tough.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow, this is scary stuff
Everyone, stay right where you are. We`re going to get to a family law attorney on the other side and find out how this might impact the battle over the wills. You know, the ex has one will and another woman has another will. What happened in Gary`s life?
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PRICE: I heard this big bang, I went downstairs. Blood everywhere. I don`t know if he`s ok. I`m not down there right now because I have seizures. If I get stressed out I`m going to seize.
911 OPERATOR: Is there any way you can go down there at all?
PRICE: I`ll try. I don`t know. I mean, I can`t deal with that.
911 OPERATOR: How old is your husband?
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: My big issue tonight is a disturbing portrait of this woman, the ex, emerging. Gary claimed in a court document his ex-wife Shannon trespassed into his house and stole his stuff. Months later she orders doctors to pull the plug.
Now we`re hearing, well, somebody is alleging, she didn`t have the legal right to do that. Her 911 call that you just heard, that didn`t endear her to anyone. And then she poses for photos with Gary on his deathbed, photos that end up on the cover of a tabloid.
Vikki Ziegler, she is now engaged in a battle of wills with another woman. The ex Shannon, says she has a hand-written will from 2007. Will her behavior affect her ability to get his estate?
VIKKI ZIEGLER, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: I hope not. One after another, debacle of this woman and I think this restraining order, Jane, is a bombshell. It clearly states that there couldn`t be a common-law marriage between these two parties. He was afraid of her, afraid of her destroying his property.
Number two, what is so important here and I think it`s going to really crush her argument in probate court is that in 2007 there`s an alleged codicil to the will that says Shannon gets everything apparently.
However, in Utah, under law you cannot inherit -- an ex-spouse cannot inherit anything that was accrued during the marriage if you`re divorced. The parties got divorced in 2008. She is going to have a huge uphill battle trying to get anything from this estate, I hope, in the court of law.
Tina, Maryland, your question or thought ma`am?
TINA, MARYLAND: Hi Jane.
TINA: I just have a comment. Last week the first time you had Shannon`s friend on and you were asking her why she didn`t take the weekend to think about pulling the plug.
TINA: Just as you went to commercial break, she said, well, his heart was about to give out and that didn`t make any sense to me. And I hope you picked up on that.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Carlos Diaz, you were the one who said why didn`t you wait the weekend before pulling the plug.
DIAZ: Yes. You know, I mean If you love the guy so much and if you wanted to renew your vows, why in the world would you not wait until the last minute. I mean you waited less than 24 hours after the guy was admitted to the hospital before you pulled the plug and the heart is about to go out.
Well, then let the heart go out and die of natural causes rather than pulling the plug or at least take the weekend to think about it. It`s a Memorial Day weekend. You have three days. Think about it before you pull the plug on this guy you allegedly love.
Kent Emmons, you`re a friend of Gary Coleman`s, Carlos Diaz has said that he thinks this case should be reopened because the police concluded there was no evidence of any foul play and this was all aboveboard. What do you think?
EMMONS: You know Carlos is absolutely right. He`s done a great job covering this and he is so right. You know the gall of this woman to pull the plug and then to act like the widow and grieving. It`s like the Menendez brothers begging for mercy because they`re orphans. I mean this is ridiculous.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, listen. We have to say Shannon`s agent Shielia Erickson is saying her client is getting a bad rap. She blames everything on Shannon`s poor health.
Listen to this from last Thursday`s ISSUES.
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SHIELIA ERICKSON, SHANNON PRICE FRIEND: Well, I can tell you that I actually sat with Gary and Shannon a day before Gary fell and Shannon was actually being measured for seizures so, you know, I sat at the end of the bed visiting with both of them for like four hours. Gary is on one side sick. Shannon is on the other side dealing with her seizure issues.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s it We have no more time. We told both sides. You are watching ISSUES on HLN.