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ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Missing Boy`s Father Divorcing Step-Mom; Joran Charging $1 Million for Interview Behind Bars
Aired June 29, 2010 - 19:00:00 ET
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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST (voice-over): New twists and turns in the desperate search for Kyron Horman. This adorable little boy vanished from inside his school. His step-mom was the last person to see him alive. Tonight earth-shattering new developments. Kyron`s father is now filing for divorce. He`s moved out. He`s taken their young daughter, and he wants a restraining order. Has he learned something ominous about his wife?
And cashing in on a cold-blooded murder. Shocking new claims Joran Van Der Sloot is demanding a million dollars for a TV interview. Is this sicko addicted to fame and fortune? And will anyone pony up the cash to get him on camera behind bars?
Also, fast-breaking news in the war on women. A beautiful woman vanishes in Arizona. She`s now been missing for more than three months. Guns, ammo and her credit cards have all been found in side her ex- boyfriend`s apartment. Tonight cops fear the worst. What happened to Jamie Laiaddee?
Plus, addict nation out of control. A drug overdose rips through the sports world. Tennis superstar Jennifer Capriati rushed to the hospital after a prescription drug overdose. Her family says it was accidental, but her ex-boyfriend says it`s because he returned to his career, in porn.
ISSUES starts now.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, earth-shattering developments surrounding the disappearance of adorable little Kyron Horman. As the search for the 7-year-old boy continues, his dad drops a bombshell. Kaine Horman has just filed for divorce from Kyron`s step-mom. He also just got a restraining order against her, and reports are he has moved out of their marital home, taking their 18-month-old daughter with him.
We know that Kyron`s step-mom, Terri Horman, was the very last person to see the little boy at his school before he vanished. She has not been named a suspect or a person of interest, but she seems to have become the central focus of the investigation. Police have spent hours on end interrogating her.
Kyron vanished from his Portland school more than three weeks ago. Recently, his dad talked about staying positive. Listen to this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
KAINE HORMAN, KYRON`S FATHER: We focus on the positive ones. He is somewhere, hopefully, with someone who is taking care of him, and he`s protected and safe.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
VELEZ-MITCHELL: But that was before he decided to file for divorce. What changed? Did he learn something about his missing son`s case?
Cops have now given his wife, Kyron`s step-mom, Terri Horman, two -- count them -- two polygraphs. They have searched her house. They`ve searched her vehicle. They`ve told the public they doubt this is a stranger abduction. Until now, the family had shown a united front, but tonight Kyron`s family is totally fractured. What pushed Kyron`s dad to do this, smack in the middle of the search for his son? Does he know something we don`t? What`s your theory?
We`re taking your calls on this: 1-877-JVM-SAYS. That`s 1-877-586- 7297.
Straight out to my fantastic panel, all experts on this case. But first straight out to reporter Kohr Harlan, who is live in front of Kyron`s school.
Kohr, what is the very latest?
KOHR HARLAN, REPORTER: Well, Jane, you sort of outlined just about everything that happened in terms of the -- the really surprise announcement that Kaine Horman was seeking a divorce last night and in the process of all of that, got a restraining order, as well.
The one bit of info that I can fill in for you, in between what you just read there was sort of the requirements in the state of Oregon to get a restraining order. And what hasn`t been said, really, about all of this is that a restraining order in the state of Oregon requires three things, really, and they are as follows. That abuse has occurred in a family situation there during the last six months, that the person seeking the restraining order feels that more abuse may be imminent, and that the family has a domestic family-type situation there.
So while nobody has really said anything officially about why this has happened or why he was seeking a divorce, the requirements for the restraining order say quite a bit, and they speak quite loudly to that situation.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, Kaine Horman filed for divorce, citing irreconcilable differences and a breakdown of marriage. He`s asking for sole custody of their 18-month-old daughter. "The Oregonian" newspaper reports that his wife Terri had a DUI arrest in 2005. She pleaded guilty and took a diversion course.
But Mike Brooks, law enforcement analyst, the big headline to me is this restraining order that the reporter just talked about. Kaine Horman, Kyron`s dad, OK, he gets a restraining order against his own wife and he announces he`s divorcing her smack in the middle of the search for this child.
MIKE BROOKS, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Right.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: To me it says, Mike, he has learned something new about this woman.
BROOKS: You`re absolutely right, Jane. Something has happened because, as we know, irreconcilable differences and a breakdown of a marriage, they don`t happen overnight. You know, was it because they found out something possibly in one of the two polygraphs, you know, that may have led to this and his total separation and just wanting her not to get anywhere near, you know, him and the other child? Something had to have happened, Jane.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jack Trimarco, former FBI profiler and polygraph expert. She has been given, as we`ve said now, two polygraphs. Would law enforcement -- and this is a total hypothetical. If, if, if she failed both polygraphs, would law enforcement tell the husband? And you`re looking at the husband and wife there now that are filing for divorce. Would they tell the husband, "Hey, your wife just failed two polygraphs, and you know, do the math"?
JACK TRIMARCO, FORMER FBI PROFILER/POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Well, Jane, I can`t speak for the locals. But FBI polygraph examiners management probably would not share with the family.
Of course, they have to err on the side of safety for the child that remains in the home. And -- and so all things being considered, if she failed the polygraph -- and I think there`s a strong likelihood that she did, because there`s been no press conference by Terri saying, "Hey, I passed the polygraph test. Get off my back."
So it`s not so much what has been said in this case. It`s what has not been said. She probably failed one or both.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me ask you this. Why do you give -- why do you give two polygraphs? Why give a second polygraph? What`s the normal reason for that?
TRIMARCO: Well, usually there`s only one. And that would be are you responsible for the disappearance of Kyron? And then explain what a disappearance means and responsibility means, and if she fails...
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I guess what I`m saying is why -- why would they give her a second set of polygraph questions?
TRIMARCO: Well, the reason is -- we don`t know if there was a second set. It may have been the same exam done twice. And the reason for that would be if the first exam was inconclusive or no opinion. In other words, the examiner ran the test, ran the charts several times and did not come up with a conclusion. And so that would necessitate a second test.
Or there`s a second issue. In polygraphy, you don`t cross issues. So the first one might be responsibility. The second might be "Do you know where Kyron is now?" And so it`s a separate issue, which would demand a second test.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, she is quoted as saying -- a lifelong friend described Terri`s, quote, unhappiness with a second polygraph test. Stacey Honowitz, can you translate that for us? That`s all we know. A lifelong friend described, quote, Terri`s unhappiness with a second polygraph test.
STACEY HONOWITZ, SEX CRIMES PROSECUTOR: Well, I mean, certainly, it`s, I think it`s commonsensical to think that she might have thought that she failed the polygraph test. She was not truthful in her answers.
And I think in this case, what you have are actions speaking louder than any words. Any action taken by this husband to get a restraining order -- and that restraining order has to be based on some type of abuse - - there is information that she -- that he has that is being held close to the vest because it`s my understanding this is sealed. That there is information that there might have been abuse between her and this child missing, and now they don`t want any future abuse between her and this other child.
But certainly, this information of a divorce and a restraining order throughout the investigation of a missing child speaks volumes.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Nancy, Ohio, your question or thought, ma`am.
CALLER: Why, Jane, I don`t understand. I am a mother, a grandmother and a great grandmother. And I have taken all the children to school. And I see them straight into their room. And I wave to the teacher so that she knows they`re there. And I leave. And then we have a truant officer also that, if the child doesn`t show up, they call home to find out why.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I think it`s an excellent question. Michelle Sigona, what do you know about that day at school?
MICHELLE SIGONA, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: I can tell you that I spoke to Matt Shelby, who is in charge of that particular school district. He says and has confirmed to me a couple of times that at least one staff member and Kyron`s teacher did, in fact, see him at the school that morning with Terri -- Terri Moulton Horman, and they were walking around visiting the science fair.
From that particular point we know that he did not show up for his class -- by the time class had started at 8:45 that morning and that she and her husband did, in fact, call police at 3:45 that afternoon.
But it`s a great question. Because if the teacher did, in fact, see Kyron at the school that morning and he didn`t show up for class, why wasn`t there a red flag raised?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: And, also, it was not an ordinary day at this school. This was a day that they were having a science fair, and you were saying, Michelle Sigona, the doors were open to the public.
SIGONA: They were.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: It wasn`t like people had to sign in. Right?
SIGONA: For 45 minutes. That`s correct. They were -- it`s like a PTA meeting in the evening. The doors were open to the public.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: A window of opportunity. So, is the step-mom being railroaded? All right.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I doubt it.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: She is not a suspect. She has not been named a person of interest, but she is the focus.
Everyone, stay right where you are. It`s a compelling mystery. More on the desperate search for adorable little Kyron.
And we`re taking your calls: 1-877-JVM-SAYS.
Plus blood money. How much will a TV station pay for a one-on-one interview with Joran Van Der Sloot? You won`t believe the latest developments.
But first, are the walls closing in on Kyron`s step-mom?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HORMAN: I saw him the day of the science fair that morning and was just really proud of him for his -- all the work he put into his project and gave each other a couple big hugs and just told them to have a great day at the fair. And...
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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CAPTAIN JASON GATES, MULTNOMAH COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE: They, along with Kyron`s family, are asking the community`s assistance regarding anyone who saw not only Kyron, but also who may have seen Terri Horman, his stepmother and/or the truck that she was driving, the family truck that she was driving that morning.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Head-spinning breaking news in the Kyron Horman mystery. Kyron`s dad pulls the plug on his marriage to Kyron`s step-mom, Terri, filing for divorce and taking out a restraining order. Kaine Horman even reportedly moved out of the house and took their 18-month-old daughter with him. Really earth-shaking developments.
Jean, Indiana, your question or thought.
CALLER: Yes. As soon as I had heard about this case, the first thought that popped into my mind was the young Asian girl on the East Coast that was murdered in her laboratory and hid in the walls. And I just wondered if they have thoroughly searched that school and checked out the custodians.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Michelle Sigona, what if -- let me go back to Kohr Harlan. You`re there on the scene. You`re right in front of the location. Have they checked the school top to bottom?
HARLAN: Oh, yes. They`ve been through -- they`ve been through every room in this school more than once or twice. It`s been thoroughly checked, as has the grassy areas around here. We`re out in a rural area just outside of Portland, really. And it`s -- the building has been checked. The lady mentioned the janitor`s rooms there. We all said that when we first heard about that. But, yes, the building has been thoroughly checked out.
I`m not really aware if they`ve been inside walls or not and actually deconstructed part of the building to look. But I have it on good advice that they have been through this building thoroughly.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well -- obviously, not to be graphic or gruesome, but if the child was buried in the wall -- and we hope this child is found alive. But if the child was buried in the wall, obviously, it would become apparent for a number of reasons.
Here`s my big issue tonight. Is it three against one? Up until now the two blended families involved with Kyron had showed a united front. But a new statement from the family does not include Terri Horman`s name.
Quotes, "Any actions taken by the investigation or by us are based on the best interests of Kyron and Kiara" -- That`s the 18-month-old daughter -- "and comply with the law. Beyond this, we have no comment on the matter, signed Desiree, Tony and Kaine." Desiree is Kyron`s biological mom. Tony is her husband. Kaine is her ex-husband, Kyron`s biological dad, who just filed for divorce from Terri. Keeping up with all this? It`s complicated.
Dr. Dale Archer, what do you make of this exclusion of Terri in this statement? And then on -- right on the heels of that, the filing of the divorce documents and the getting of a restraint order?
DR. DALE ARCHER, PSYCHIATRIST: Well, first of all, it`s shocking, absolutely shocking, because typically, when you lose a child, families come together and support each other.
And for a divorce to be filed, the only conclusion I can come to is that, in the husband`s mind, he must suspect himself that she somehow had something to do with this. I cannot come up with any other logical explanation for excluding her from the family and for him to divorce her and to file a restraining order. That just is not typical behavior in any way, shape or form in this type of case.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. I find this fascinating. Terri has a 16-year- old son from her first marriage, but the statement of those three individuals is, quote, "Any action taken by the investigation or by us are based on the best interests of Kyron and Kiara and comply with the law." Nowhere is it mentioned anything about this 16-year-old son, James.
Got to go back to Kohr Harlan on this. What do we know about this 16- year-old boy who had been living with Terri and her husband, Kaine, Kyron`s parents?
HARLAN: Well, we don`t know very much about him. He has not been -- he has not been very visible in part of this. In the speeches and the meetings with the media that the family had a short -- maybe the last week it was or so. He was not present at that, and we really haven`t seen a great deal...
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Does he still -- does he still live with that family?
HARLAN: Don`t hold me -- my -- I don`t know exactly, but my best knowledge on that is that he does not live at the residence at this time. I`m not totally sure of that, but I had heard that he had moved on some time ago, maybe to go live with his biological parents in another town a short distance away from here.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: So that`s interesting, as well. There`s some movement there in the family leading up to all this. You wonder could that be a factor.
Kyron`s family is struggling to understand how this little boy could simply vanish from the school. Kyron`s biological mother tried to put it into words on "Good Morning America."
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My sister used a phrase with somebody recently. It`s like a portal opened up in the school, and Kyron just vanished into it. It`s a mystery, really. It`s very heart-wrenching.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, this is fascinating. Kyron`s mom and stepmother have been friends since way before Kyron was born. When Kyron`s divorced mom -- you see there in the glasses -- got sick and moved to Canada -- she`s the one with the napkin. Terri, who`s holding her, you know, arm like this, volunteered to raise her son, Korman [SIC], and then eventually married Korman`s [SIC] dad.
But check out the body language at the family news conference a couple of weeks ago. A step-mom Terri -- and we saw it there a second ago, hugged and comforted Kyron`s mother, Desiree. OK? And we`re going to see that again. But Desiree`s arms are crossed. There it is! She doesn`t look like she wants any part of this hug. She`s -- what`s the body language analysis, Dr. Dale?
ARCHER: I totally agree with you, Jane. It looks like she is folding into herself while her friend is trying to give her comfort. And it almost looked like she is creeped out by the fact that this woman is touching her. Very, very interesting.
HONOWITZ: Also interesting...
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Go ahead.
HONOWITZ: Just one thing I want to tell you. You know, early on there was a report from the police that -- that they were not warning the public. They were saying, "We don`t think it`s a stranger."
HONOWITZ: And so that`s why now the family dynamics play such an important role. That`s what they`re investigating now. And that`s some of the information that might have come forward that allowed this man to go into court, get a divorce -- I mean file for divorce, then get a restraining order.
Right now, because they don`t think it`s a random stranger, the only people to focus in on is the family. And that`s the investigation that`s going on now.
ARCHER Typically, families can go through tremendous hardship. When they lose a child they pull together.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hold on. Right on the other side we`re going to get to you. More on Kyron`s disappearance in a moment.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: More on the disappearance of Kyron Horman. But first, outrage in Peru. Could Joran Van Der Sloot cash in off the brutal, savage murder of innocent 21-year-old Stephany Flores Ramirez?
Tonight Joran is behind bars in a notorious Peruvian prison. Rats are literally crawling out of the toilet in his cell, which is, by the way, a hole in the ground. An innocent girl is dead after being bludgeoned and smothered, and Joran, throughout all of this, he is striking business deals. Is there no end to this guy`s nerve?
AOL.com reports insiders are saying an interview with Joran could bring in massive ratings, and Joran`s asking price is reportedly -- are you sitting down -- a million bucks. That will buy a lot of treats behind bars, I guess.
But Joran has been interviewed on a major network before, and he said he sold Natalee Holloway into sex slavery. Guess what? That turned out to be a big, fat lie. Who in their right mind is going to pay a million dollars to hear tall tales spewing out of the mouth of this pathological liar and apparent sociopath?
Plus, brand-new sickening reports: is Joran basking in all this media attention? Is he eating it up?
Straight out to my fantastic guest: attorney Mark Eiglarsh. Mark, could Peruvian police actually let a TV crew into his cell to do an interview for which he would be paid a million bucks? My head is exploding.
MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Oh, yes, explode away. And you know what? You and me, we`d be watching.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s true.
EIGLARSH: Not for the reasons everyone else might but we`d be watching, bottom line. So would it be a ratings coup for some network? Absolutely.
When Gary Coleman`s photos are being sold of him laying in the hospital, when there`s a market for that, certainly there`s a market for this guy and his tale of lies. People would tune in for sure.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: And do you think the Peruvian authorities would ask for a cut? Come on, if you`re going to get a million dollars, you`ve got to give us 10 percent.
EIGLARSH: It ain`t Kansas any more, and it ain`t the U.S. They have a whole different set of rules over there. Sure, I think they`d let the crew in. They let plenty of crews already in to film him at will. And you know what? They would do it.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Breaking news coming into ISSUES. Tomorrow Stephany`s father -- that`s right, the murdered girl`s father -- is going to meet with the judge and give a statement.
Ricardo Flores is a powerful politician in Peru and a former race car driver. He originally thought his daughter Stephany had been kidnapped for ransom. Then he saw her on this casino surveillance tape with Joran and, of course, the rest is very tragic history.
Mark, Joran gave that confession, basically saying, "I did it." Then he said, "Unh-unh, never mind." But it`s still in. The courts are keeping it in. But now he refuses to say anything else. He`s just being completely tight-lipped. You know, is not talking to the judge at this stage going to hurt him or help him?
EIGLARSH: Let me tell you that you need to -- everybody needs to take a deep breath and relax. This guy is going nowhere. It is his job and his lawyer`s job to allege that the evidence that he gave in an uncoerced confession was not freely and voluntarily done. The court ruled differently. They`re not going to change their minds.
And it doesn`t matter what he does or says. With the mountain of evidence that they have against him, with the burden of proof being as low as it is, he`s going nowhere.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I agree. He thinks he`s got a big hand to play. You know, even if he makes a million dollars, well, it could fund his defense. That`s the only thing. And it could buy privileges behind bars.
EIGLARSH: Maybe protection. Who knows?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, exactly. And he`ll need it. Mark, thank you so much.
We`re going to go back to Kyron Horman. Are the walls closing in on his step-mom, next?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Fast-breaking news in the war on women. A beautiful woman vanishes in Arizona. She`s now been missing for more than three months. Guns, ammo and her credit cards have all been found inside her ex- boyfriend`s apartment. Tonight cops fear the worst. What happened to Jamie Laiaddee?
Plus, addict nation out of control. A drug overdose rips through the sports world. Tennis superstar Jennifer Capriati rushed to the hospital after a prescription drug overdose. Her family says it was accidental, but her ex-boyfriend says it`s because he returned to his career in porn.
Shocking new twists and turns tonight in the case of missing 7-year- old Kyron Horman. His dad has filed for divorce from his wife, Terri Horman, Kyron`s stepmom; Terri, of course, the last person to see little Kyron at his school June 4th. Kyron`s biological mother, Desiree Young, says the family was not allowed to help search for Kyron.
Check this out.
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DESIREE YOUNG, KYRON HORMAN`S MOTHER: Unfortunately, they don`t allow that. We`re not certified in searching and I don`t think they want us traipsing through the woods ruining evidence and -- you know. Unfortunately, I`ve watched CSI, but I wouldn`t have the first clue how to affect evidence.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Straight out to investigative reporter Michelle Sigona for the very latest on this fast developing case -- Michelle.
MICHELLE SIGONA, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Investigators right now, Jane, are continuing to go through 350 of the questionnaires passed out just a couple of weeks ago to everyone at the school. They`re conducting interviews as we speak right now; about 100 deputies from that particular sheriff`s department and the area.
In addition, they will go out and they will search areas. Searches today, however, have not been conducted. But as you mentioned earlier in the show, there`s been a petition for divorce that has been filed along with a search warrant -- excuse me, not a search warrant -- actually, a protective order that`s also been filed in addition to that particular protective restraining order against Terri Moulton Horman.
We have to keep in mind that there obviously has been some sort of evidence that has been brought forward and for a judge to be able to say, hey, I grant you this particular restraining order not only against your husband but also you`re not allowed to see your 18-month-old child is definitely saying something.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Stacey Honowitz, you`re the Florida prosecutor. Does he have the right to just pick up and leave with their 18-month-old daughter? After all, the stepmom, Kyron`s stepmother, Terri Horman, has not been charged with a crime. She is not even being labeled a suspect or a person of interest. So what gives him the right to just go up there and take the child and take off with her?
STACEY HONOWITZ, FLORIDA PROSECUTOR: He has every right in the world if he can show a judge that there`s some sort of evidence that this child is in danger. And I think this is going to be a big break in the case, Jane. This is huge news to know that during an investigation of a missing child, the husband files for divorce and asks for protective order.
Why does he have a right to do it? Because he possesses some knowledge where his child could be in danger and if the judge, like I said -- evidently, the judge believed that evidence --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok, let me jump in. Could the knowledge be something that he found out from authorities? In other words, obviously, something changed. They presented a united front at the beginning of this case. Then yesterday the -- three of the four blended family parental units issue a statement; Terri is left out of it. And then he immediately files for a divorce and gets a restraining order.
Where else could it come from if not from law enforcement, this new information that would result in these radical changes?
HONOWITZ: Well, it could come from law enforcement. That`s the first thing. Second of all, we are not privy to all of the people that they are speaking with. You know, when you have a pending investigation, you have to keep things quiet. And we don`t know what evidence is coming from where.
But certainly in interviews with family members, friends and law enforcement, all this evidence could have come to the forefront, which forced him to go into court and get this protective order.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Sherry, Pennsylvania, your question or thought, ma`am.
SHERRY, PENNSYLVANIA (via telephone): Hi Jane. I just want to see me and my husband, Jeff, we love you. We watch you every single night.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you so much.
SHERRY: First off, I want to say I have actually two questions. But I just want to say that her body language, she seems like really cold and really distant. And she -- it looks like an acting thing.
But I want to know, did they do DNA testing on the clothes that she was wearing that day and the truck that she was supposedly driving?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Michelle Sigona, what do you know?
SIGONA: I can tell you that they definitely searched the truck at least two times. That`s from what we`ve been told, although investigators have said that it was in the shop f repairs. As far as the family, they have come forward and said that they have opened their house. They have opened their computers. They have opened everything to investigators. In that particular instance they would not need a search warrant. As far as collecting her particular clothing they will not say for sure if they have collected DNA or her clothing.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, Mike brooks, there was the photo that she posted. She leaves the boy at school she says at 8:45. And then at 1:21 - - I think we have this photo we can put up -- there was a photo that she put on her Facebook that shows the little boy Kyron standing right in front of his science project which involves frogs -- you`re going to see it in a second.
I assume if they check the computer the first thing they would have to do is see how was that photo handled. Was it photo shopped, what was done with that photo?
MIKE BROOKS, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: That would be easy to find out Jane. As you know the FBI is involved. Their CART team, their child abduction response team is there. All they would have to do is take that, send it to the lab at Quantico. The special photo unit would take a look at that.
But Jane, you know, there`s so many gaps in this timeline of the morning that he disappeared. And what brought law enforcement to Sauvie Island? There are other media outlets that are say it was pings on her cell phone that led them there.
But, you know -- and you talked about the polygraph -- and Jack is absolutely right. Was she deceptive? Was it inconclusive? Of course, they may not tell anybody that.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. I want to just have you focus on the pings and the Sauvie Island. There is an island near the school. It`s called Sauvie Island. They`ve called off their general search, but they are apparently searching over and over again in this one area where there`s a lot of water and there were some reports about what pings?
BROOKS: Apparently cell phone pings from her cell phone, because she had given one story that she had gone out, run some errands. But it put her in the area of Sauvie Island about ten miles from the house that morning, so it didn`t fit with her version of the timeline.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Some blogs out there have compared Kyron`s case to the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings. Associatedcontent.com points out that both begin with a caretaker telling a story of a bizarre disappearance of a child on their watch. Also, both children disappeared in places where somebody should have noticed. Kyron disappeared in a school hallway. Haleigh was supposed to be tucked into her own bed.
Is that a fair comparison, Dr. Dale Archer?
DR. DALE ARCHER, PSYCHIATRIST: You know what? I think it`s fair and I`m going to take it one step further and posit back perhaps the motive was the same in both cases. And that motive would be the green-eyed monster of jealousy.
In this particular case it could well be that she had her own child 18 months ago and felt that too much attention was being paid to Kyron. And as a result she got madder and madder and eventually got angry enough to possibly be the suspect in this murder.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, we want to stress that she is not considered a suspect or person of interest. You are looking at the biological mother there. I`d like to see another picture of the biological mother because you talked about jealousy.
A biological mother is also -- let`s face it. She`s a very attractive young lady. So that could be another factor as well. I mean you have this stepmom who is literally raising somebody who is not her flesh and blood, who is the flesh and blood of the man that she ultimately marries.
The biological mom had become ill after she divorced Kyron`s dad and had gone to Canada because she had kidney failure. That`s when Terri had moved in -- there`s the biological mother.
ARCHER: Jane, I want to say that I think that that would all fit with the jealousy motive because of the fact she moved in and started taking care of the child when her friend got sick. Then she ends up marrying the boy`s father. So she is really in a caretaker role across the board. And perhaps everyone is really looking up to her at that point.
As he gets older, the attention probably shifted from her over to the boy and she started feeling left out of the family structure. And, you know, you can`t underestimate jealousy. That is a huge, huge potential motive for anyone.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Or resentment; resentment of having to care for a child that she might have initially been very enthusiastic about caring for but then became less enthusiastic possibly when her own flesh and blood was born to her. This is all sheer speculation. We don`t know what it`s all about.
I need to go to Jack Trimarco. You are the former FBI profiler and you`re a polygraph expert. What are your thoughts on the fact that she has been asked to take two polygraphs at this point and that her friend reportedly said that she was very upset about the second polygraph. Didn`t specify whether it was about having to take it or what but just that she was unhappy with it.
JACK TRIMARCO, POLYGRAPHY EXAMINER: Well, clearly, people who don`t pass the polygraph test, Jane, are not happy with the process.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: We don`t know that she failed it, though.
TRIMARCO: All guilty people want to act as though they`re innocent. That`s probably the number one question that`s asked me in these type of investigations is, if they did it, why the heck did they take a polygraph test?
TRIMARCO: And the answer to that is every guilty person in the world wants to act as though their innocent. And they think about it. They think, "What would I do if I didn`t do it? Well, I would cooperate. I would help on the search. I would give all the information I could to a point. I`ll even take a polygraph test."
Well, shame on them because that is the number one focus, tool that law enforcement has.
The other thing we should -- we should clarify --
TRIMARCO: -- I think at this point is I keep hearing the fact that she`s not a suspect, she`s not a person of interest, she`s not this, she`s not that.
Well, I don`t believe that there`s a law enforcement officer in the country that doesn`t believe that this woman is a suspect.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, but you know what --
TRIMARCO: Jane, this woman is a suspect. If she`s not a suspect, I`ll eat my tie.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: -- let me just say this, ok, hold on. Let me just say this, all right.
That was a public day. There were other people at that school. This was not an average day. There was a science fair going on.
So, you know, if -- if God forbid, this child was kidnapped we won`t be chuckling. We`re not chuckling in any case. Thank you, fantastic panel.
What happened to Jennifer Capriati superstar?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: A beautiful young woman vanishes in Arizona. That`s next.
But first, "Top of the Block" tonight.
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Louisiana has asked BP for 10 million clams for mental health services. BP`s response, we`ll think about it. You know, how about you think about this, BP. This monumental fiasco could go down as one of the worst environmental disasters in U.S. history right up there with the dust bowl.
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So stop trying to act like this is no big deal. Cough up the cash. Get these people the mental help they need and do it right now.
That is tonight`s "Top of the Block."
Tonight: a desperate search for an Arizona woman who vanished into thin air three months ago. Where is Jamie Laiaddee? She was reported missing on May 28th, a full two months after her disappearance. Why did no one call the police earlier? I`d love to ask Jamie`s boyfriend that question.
Detectives say Rick Valentini was the last person to see her. When they tracked him down, he was driving Jamie`s car and using her credit cards. They arrested Rick for -- get this -- credit card fraud, credit card theft, identity theft, weapons violations, a probation violation, and just as icing on the cake, an outstanding traffic warrant.
Rick told cops he and Jamie broke up the day before she disappeared after she told him she was moving to Denver for a new job.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Besides the initial statement that she moved to Colorado, he hasn`t been forthcoming at all. We don`t have any further information to follow up on.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Police say Rick is a person of interest because he was the last one to see her. But they`ve stopped short of calling him a suspect. Meanwhile, Jamie`s heartsick parents are absolutely desperate for answers.
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VUNNEE LAIADDEE, JAMIE`S MOTHER: Please help us find her, my daughter, Jamie. I miss her so much. Anything can help in returning of Jamie, please, please help.
SOMPONGSE LAIADDEE, JAMIE`S FATHER: Help me to find my daughter, please.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: This is heartbreaking. Mike Brooks is back with us.
Joining me on the phone, Jamie`s dear friend Sheila Dubs and we begin with Sergeant Joe Favazzo from the Chandler, Arizona Police Department. Sergeant, what is the very latest in your investigation, sir?
SGT. JOE FAVAZZO, CHANDER, ARIZONA POLICE DEPARTMENT: Well, we`re still at a -- we`re still at a standstill. We`re reaching out to the public through media. And we`re asking for help. Jamie`s friends have been just wonderful at reaching out through the Facebook account.
But we`re at a standstill. We`re looking for any leads that will help us locate Jamie.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: You got inside the boyfriend`s apartment. You found credit cards that belong to her. You found a debit card that belonged to her, a health insurance card. You say that apparently, according to published reports he had charged an adult dating Web site and also according to published reports he had previously been fired for sexual harassment allegations.
And then they broke up right before she disappears? Can you connect the dots there, sir?
FAVAZZO: Well, correct. He claims that they had an argument, they broke up and then she left for Colorado. The problem right now is we`ve not heard from her. We have no evidence to prove that she`s living in Colorado. She left behind her -- her keys, her wallet, her credit cards, her driver`s license, everything that a person would need to travel anywhere with.
So that`s all been left behind. So we have no evidence to lead us to believe that she`s living in Colorado. So that really leaves a lot of suspicion out there.
BROOKS: Sergeant, I was wondering, is there any possibility from looking at the credit cards of hers that he had been using, to go back to some of the establishments and find out with possible video surveillance -- was he acting alone, is there anyone else that he might have been involved with directly after her disappearance?
FAVAZZO: Right. And these are all things that the investigators will look at and -- and continue to look at as time moves forward and as more information comes forward.
BROOKS: How -- now I was wondering, any other evidence, also, since the vehicle he was found in at the time of his arrest was registered to her. Was there any sign of a struggle, any kind of trace evidence, anything at all that would help you in this investigation inside that vehicle?
FAVAZZO: Well, again, the vehicles, the residence that were -- that were searched, quite a few search warrants were completed --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, let me, I`ve to jump in here because we`re running out of time. Here`s my big question.
Why didn`t he call 911 and that`s my big issue as well. I mean, come on, he has a fight with her, she disappears, he`s having a relationship with her. Nobody calls 911, this girl has been missing since March, more than 3 months.
Sheila Dubs, you`re a friend of the missing girl, what are your concerns and fears and, my gosh, I`m sure you have many.
SHEILA DUBS, FRIEND OF MISSING WOMAN (via telephone): We are devastated by the news. We actually found out through a friend looking on her Facebook page, some of her friends out there posted, "Where are you, Jamie?" And then we saw the news story in Arizona.
And I just -- we can`t believe either that it took so long to report it, and we were kind of sickened that none of us had noticed either.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I just want you to know that we`re going to stay on top of this young lady`s case. We`re not going to let it go. We`re going to have all of you back. Sheila, will you come back?
DUBS: Oh, yes. We really appreciate anything -- any coverage on --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: We want to keep her face out there. Absolutely.
Thank you so much, fantastic panel.
Up next, Jennifer Capriati tennis star, OD.
Tonight, has a former sports superstar hit rock bottom: Jennifer Capriati is recovering from prescription drug overdose. The former tennis champ turned pro at just 13. And her career has been a total roller coaster.
Jennifer was arrested twice for shoplifting and drug possession, but she still managed a phenomenal comeback on her tours. Her friends and former pro tennis player Justin Gimelstob spoke to CBS.
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JUSTIN GIMELSTOB, FORMER PRO TENNIS PLAYER: She said it best, she said without tennis, tennis gives her the structure and without that, that`s where the problems ensue. And she`s had trouble finding an identity and a sense of purpose. She`s in tremendous pain physically, and mentally she`s struggled with depression and you just -- it`s a tough story.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Joining me now, Sid Rosenberg, sports radio talk show host in Miami. He`s also the author of the -- fascinating title here -- "You`re Wrong and You`re Ugly". Jennifer`s friends and family say, and this is on a serious note, her depression gets worse during big tennis tournaments.
Sid, is that common -- is that a common phenomenon that can lead to addiction? These athletes, they`re so used to the limelight and they get to be a certain age and they`re seeing other people in the glory and they`re just somewhere in their apartment?
SID ROSENBERG, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: I think it`s feasible. Don`t forget though, she was addicted before, and now that she`s out of the game, and Wimbledon, of course Jane, is taking place this week, it will make her even more depressed about the whole situation.
But now it`s more than just Jennifer Capriati depressed that she`s not playing tennis. Now we`ve got some brand-new sordid details that really make this a very interesting story.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: And I`m going to tell you all about them and then you can tell me what you think of them. Jennifer`s ex-boyfriend told TMZ that there are two reasons for her overdose. He said, yes, she was depressed over Wimbledon and his return to pornography. That`s right, Dale the Bone, that`s the name that he goes by, claims that Jennifer was devastated over a new porn film he signed on to.
Sid, I`m almost afraid to ask you for the details on this one, but go ahead.
ROSENBERG: Well, it`s TV. I`ll keep it clean here for you, Jane.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Thank you.
ROSENBERG: But you know how we like to use the word "love" in the sport of tennis. He`s taken love to a brand-new level, he`s made about 440 porn films and the latest work of his is a Triple X porn parody of the movie "Batman". So supposedly now when you combine the fact that she`s watching Wimbledon at home -- 3-time champ at 34 years old -- and the ex- boyfriend now is back in the porn industry, those two things knocked her off her horse. And that`s why she`s back doing prescription drugs.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: You know, there`s a great way to gracefully go off into the sunset. She was once ranked number one. She`s a beautiful young lady. She had -- there`s plenty of transitions that one can make other than this. Why date a guy like this?
ROSENBERG: Well, obviously, she suffers from low self-esteem. I mean, Jane, you`re a great story, an inspiring story. You`ve been sober for a long time. And I certainly have had my issues with alcohol and drugs. And we all suffer from low self-esteem.
Eventually, hopefully, we get it, like you have and I certainly have. But obviously Jennifer has not. So when you combine depression with low self-esteem, she`s not happy with herself, she`s at home instead of playing, watching somebody else win. Low self-esteem will do this just to about anybody.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, if she has low self-esteem, having been ranked number one, you know what an accomplishment that is? That speaks volumes. And if she is an addict, we have to have compassion for her and hope perhaps after this OD she gets it and she finds sobriety.
Thank you so much, Sid.
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