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Oil Cap Testing Delayed; Haitian Orphans Hungry Despite Food Aid; Japanese Ads Target Specific Customers; Controversy Rages Over Proposed Mosque

Aired July 14, 2010 - 13:00   ET

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T.J. HOLMES, CNN ANCHOR: Hello there, everybody. I'm T.J. Holmes, in today for Ali Velshi.

Let me tell you what we've got on the rundown right now.

It is better safe than sorry. That is the motto right now for BP. It's putting the plan for that new oil cap on hold. We'll explain. It's a fast-moving story. We'll have all the developments here in the "CNN NEWSROOM".

Also, empty bellies but full warehouses. Why are Haitian orphans going hungry when there is literally tons of food right next door. Our Dr. Sanjay Gupta has the story that is going to outrage you.

Also, building a mosque. Doesn't sound to controversial necessarily, until you hear where it's being built. All that coming up.

But we are going to start here at the top of the hour with this day 86 now of this oil disaster. This is a fast-moving story today. We're getting updates and developments from those who are involved in this whole oil disaster. BP in particular, expecting some updates around the next couple of hours. We'll bring those to you here live.

We also just got an update from Doug Suttles, as well, about what's happening. They're trying to put this new cap on. We're told about this whole issue -- you've been hearing about this now, this latest attempt to try to cap this well. This was supposed to be a good thing. This was supposed to be the one that was supposed to work. A lot of people putting a lot of optimism into this latest attempt.

Well, there has been a problem, a delay, I should say, a delay in the testing. We're going to get into more of that in just a second. But let me tell you what's happening on the ground in the Gulf Coast right now, at least.

The president has some of his troops on the ground, if you will. We're talking about some of his administration officials. The surgeon general, Regina Benjamin, she's back in her hometown of Bayou La Batre. She was having a meeting down there. A lot of people turned out, but she's focusing on some mental health issues. Also just your regular physical health issues that have to do with this whole oil spill. Had a good turnout for that. Also, like I said, the president has his troops down there. He had also the assistant attorney general. Mr. Holder was down there, as well. He was meeting with attorneys general from different states down there. You may have remembered, Eric Holder last week said there was a possibility he was going to look into any other wrongdoing by other entities besides BP in this whole Gulf oil disaster. So he is down there, as well.

And also, like I mentioned, the official BP, Doug Suttles. He just had a meeting just a short time ago with media types talking about trying to do better about informing the media about what's going on. And he was giving us an update about this latest attempt to put the cap on.

That is where we want to go right now, to see where that whole process is. Our Ed Lavandera is in New Orleans for us. He has been keeping an eye, of course, on this whole situation, and it's been a fluid situation, a situation that has been moving quite a bit.

Ed, if you can, give us the very latest. Where are we right now?

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, we're kind of in a wait- and-see mode, quite honestly, T.J. As you -- as we've been hearing from various BP officials and the Coast Guard and everyone involved with the unified command in this response, they're in the midst of testing -- the pre-test to the test, if you will.

So obviously, you kind of really get a sense of just what a significant moment I think these folks feel like they're up against, that in their words they want to make sure that they're, you know, more safe than sorry here, that they need to make sure that everything is absolutely where it needs to be, because the potential and the fallout from this could be very devastating, as well.

So they are going through the process of doing seismic testing around the well bore area down there at 5,000 feet below the Gulf of Mexico. And this is significant, because what they're preparing for is what we've been talking about, the integrity test. And that essentially will tell them that the whole length of the pipe that is going deep into the earth some 18,000 feet or so, if you will, they need to make sure that that can withstand the pressure that is about to be inflicted upon it. If not, this test could end up causing further damage.

So they want to make sure that they've got all of their ducks in a row. Because as you know, the upside to this would be monumental. It's almost three months into this disaster, and the possibility of being able to cap this is actually -- would be, obviously, a huge moment in this.

So they feel like they need all -- everything prepared just the way they need it. BP officials say that it was the government's call in this particular case to slow down the integrity testing as scientists kind of debate and compare notes on what is going on.

So the testing we thought was going to start yesterday morning, now we're sitting here waiting to find out when exactly the integrity testing is going to start.

Admiral Thad Allen is scheduled to hold another briefing here in a couple of hours. Perhaps we get word on what the latest will be with this integrity testing coming up shortly -- T.J.

HOLMES: And Ed, it sounds like we are really in a wait-and-see, as you put it. They are putting no time line on it, I don't believe. But answer that question for me about the time line, and also explain to us once again what are they worried about could go wrong?

LAVANDERA: Well, they need to -- just by the name of the test. Integrity testing. Essentially what they're going to do in this test is close off all of the valves. So you know, you can imagine how much -- how intense the pressure with all of this oil shooting out into the Gulf of Mexico. We're talking about intense, intense pressure.

So when they cap that, all that pressure is kind of contained in there. And they need to make sure that the cap they've put on there will be able to withstand that and that everything down the line, deep into the earth, would be able to withstand that.

Obviously they're saying that, when you're dealing with this kind of pressure, if there are other problems that they don't know about down there, that this could actually cause further damage into that well bore and the casing, that pipe casing that goes into the earth. And they don't want to cause any damage there because that can complicate things further.

So that's -- that's really what they're trying to test. They're trying to figure out if they can even proceed with this integrity test to make sure that every -- all the equipment that's down there can withstand it.

HOLMES: All right. Our Ed Lavandera. We appreciate you, Ed. Thanks so much. We'll check in with you again.

And as Ed said, we don't have a real time line, but we could get a better idea. We're expecting to hear from Thad Allen, the -- of course, the one in charge of the whole response down there, retired Admiral Thad Allen. When we do hear from him, we will take that live if he does come up here in the next couple of hours. But we're expecting some kind of update from him, and maybe we will know a lot more about the time line.

Also great pictures we have been seeing, some pictures we have been seeing coming to us from CNN's Dave Mattingly. He is embedded with the Coast Guard and went out to the BP rig site, took them all night to get there, leaving from Pensacola, Florida.

Dave's firsthand impressions of the scene, like a small city of vessels, 10 or 20 large ships out there. Two of them pumping oil from below, and the large flames erupting as natural gas that's also pumped up is being burned off.

We won't be too far away from this story at any point here in the "CNN NEWSROOM". Meanwhile, something else to tell you about here. Falling through the cracks in Haiti. We're going to visit an orphanage where kids are going to bed hungry. Meanwhile, warehouses just down the road are stacked with food.

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HOLMES: Welcome back, everyone, to the "CNN NEWSROOM".

Billions, of course, were pledged to help Haiti. And much of that money, however, has not made it to where it needs to go. Here are just some of the numbers for you here.

Governments, as you can see, have pledged some $10 billion in aid. That was at a conference in March. Just 2 percent of that has been delivered, however. A majority of the money is for rebuilding. All the numbers you see there from other entities, including the American Red Cross, also the Clinton-Bush Haiti Fund. Hope for Now, as well. That was that big telethon. Individuals in the U.S., meanwhile, have pledged around $1.3 billion. But you see the numbers, how much has been pledged and actually how much has been handed over and delivered there.

A lot of aid has made it, in fact, to Haiti, but 1.5 million people still homeless. Some of the people in need are the most -- or in need of most are falling through the cracks. That's the case at one orphanage that was visited by our Dr. Sanjay Gupta.

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DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It is so striking in orphanages: smiles amid squalor. Three hundred and fifty thousand orphans in Haiti, best guess. And many, like this little guy, don't even have a name.

(on camera) Don't know how old he is. He's an orphan in this orphanage, among lots of other children, 40 to 50 at any given time. That's how many kids are taken care of.

Let me show you something else, as well. Take a look at this particular building. You just look at the floor over here. That's where they sleep. There are no bedrooms. Find a place and sleep for the night.

(voice-over) This is the kitchen for all those children. This pot of beans is their food for the entire day. Simply not enough.

(on camera) You take a look. They have to obviously have food, and they have to store it in some way. This is the store room. Used to be completely filled with food. This is all they have left.

(voice-over) I decided to call a contact of mine.

ERIC KLEIN, FOUNDER, CAN-DO.ORG (VIA PHONE): Hello.

GUPTA (on camera): Hey, Eric, it's Sanjay. KLEIN: Hey, Sanjay, how are you?

GUPTA: I'm doing fine. I'm actually on speaker phone with you, and our film crew is filming. We've just come outside this -- this orphanage, and it's one of these crazy situations that you and I have been talking about. They have about 50 kids here, literally from a couple of months old to 18, and they have three stacks of tomato soup, a handful of beans and a little bit of rice. That's all they have, really, to feed these children for, you know, the foreseeable future. And I just thought I'd give you a call and see if you might be able to help out.

KLEIN: Well, yes, absolutely. Let me make a couple calls. I'll organize a truck. I'll make a couple calls right now, and I'll get back to you. Give me about 20 minutes.

(on camera) We're outside of the gate with the truck.

GUPTA (voice-over): We got the call. Eric with Can-Do.org found a warehouse full of supplies willing to stock the truck.

According to the Global Disaster Immediate Response Team, right now there are at least 50 warehouses, football field in size, full of supplies just sitting there, some dating back to January, never distributed since the earthquake.

This is going to make you mad.

(on camera) Take a look at this. You've got 50 starving kids in an orphanage. We drove three miles down the street.

KLEIN: Now this stuff came in from Asia. Is there a date on that?

GUPTA: May 27. This has been sitting here a couple of months.

At the orphanage they've literally had a half a bucket of beans. Half a bucket of beans, and that was going to feed 50 kids for an entire day. All of this is beans over here.

You're not paid to do this and your guys are not paid to do this.

KLEIN: We don't even get paid for our organization. Our organization was (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

GUPTA: So I mean, people are donating lots of supplies and lots of money to buy those supplies, but in order to actually get it distributed, it's counting on the good will of people like you to do it.

KLEIN: Right. Absolutely, absolutely. Which I -- like, going back to, like I said, showing results is the key thing. I mean, that's what's missing. That's the element that's missing in disasters everywhere.

GUPTA (voice-over): Driving back, I couldn't help but think of so much food, and yet hundreds of thousands of Haitian children are malnourished.

(on camera) Going to have some happy kids.

KLEIN: Hey, how are you?

GUPTA: So that was not that far away at all.

KLEIN: No, not at all.

GUPTA: Just...

KLEIN: Which is mind boggling how close this stuff is.

GUPTA: You can hear the kids, literally -- they're just joyous laughter inside there. I think they know what's coming.

KLEIN: They know what's coming. Yes, they do.

GUPTA (voice-over): it is true that other organizations, like World Vision, Save the Children, UNICEF, have been helping orphanages in Haiti long before the earthquake. But I can tell you there are hospitals, camps and orphanages that fall through the cracks sometimes. At least on this day, one of those cracks gets to be filled in.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, Port-au-Prince, Haiti.

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HOLMES: You saw the group Can-Do in action there. You, too, can help out in Haiti. Lots of groups that need your help. You can see a list of them, including Can-Do.org, at CNN.com/impact. Logon, "Impact Your World."

So a lot of people out there trying to save for their retirement, but are you saving enough? New numbers out today say maybe not. We're going to show you why. Stay here.

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HOLMES: All right. Got some new numbers out today that could be a bit scary. Those new numbers say that 47 percent of early Baby Boomers could run short of retirement cash. That means that some folks who have been saving may be scrounging to pay the bills. Let's take a look at the facts and what this might mean for you.

First up here, there is some good news. At least, that is that it's not as bad as before. Back in 2003, nearly six in 10 early Baby Boomers ran the risk of not being able to pay for groceries or medical bills. So that's the good news.

Now let's go to what might not be the good news, and that is today 47 percent of Boomers still stand a chance of not being able to make ends meet. That's after accounting for things like Social Security and pension benefits. Now, the big culprit here is uninsured health costs, like nursing home bills. Those things can pile up. So what are the chances of running out of money? That depends on how much you're making right now. People making an average income -- and we're defining that here as making between 31 and $72,000 -- they stand a 29 percent chance of running out of money in the next 20 years. If you're making more money, $72,000, your odds are a little better, but you've still got a 13 percent chance of not being able to pay.

Now, the point we really want to drive home here is how much saving right now can help you later. So far for young people, who are the younger folks sometimes, to think this far ahead. So let's take a look here.

Let's call him Bob Boomer. He's 59 years old. He makes about $50,000 a year. His 401(k) balance is $70,000. Now, he would need to save $6,000 on top of what he already is saving just to have a really good chance of paying all his bills. You've got that? He's got a ton more saving to do, and there's still a ton of risk. That because -- because he's older.

Now let's go to the younger generation. How about Yvonne? How's she doing? Thirty-five-year-old, Generation X-er. She's got an average income, let's say an average 401(k) savings. But she's got a lot longer to save, because she's younger, of course. So instead of paying 12 percent of income Bob's saving, she only has to save half a percent, just half a percent.

Now all these are just estimates here, but it gives you an idea. Numbers are saying that putting away your money today really will pay off. That is the good, the bad, and the ugly of it all.

Meanwhile, be sure you can watch "YOUR $$$$$" to get a better breakdown. You can watch it this weekend and every weekend: Saturdays, 1 p.m. Eastern; Sundays, 3 p.m. Eastern right here on CNN.

Let me give you a look now at some of the stories today that are making headlines.

Up first here, the completion of the new oil cap operation is on hold right now as BP and the government review testing procedures for the contraption. This is the so-called integrity test. They're measuring the pressure in the well itself and whether it can handle the new cap that's being put on.

Also the White House says the stimulus has funded 3 million jobs so far. Could jump another half million by the end of the year. That's according to a new report out today. That includes both new jobs created by stimulus projects and jobs saved from elimination by the stimulus cash.

Also, the NAACP taking a swipe at the Tea Party movement. Today the group passed a resolution at their national convention condemning the conservative political movement for not being more critical of so- called racist elements among Tea Party supporters.

Well, advertisements that know what you want to buy based on how you look. Yes. They see you and then determine what you might be interested in. That sounds like science fiction. It's not. It's next.

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HOLMES: Can you imagine looking at a billboard and getting a custom advertisement based on your eyes? Sounds like some science fiction. Maybe you saw this in a Tom Cruise movie not long ago. But it's not any of that; it's for real. And it's today's "Edge of Discovery."

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KYUNG LAH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In the world of advertising, you look at the ads. But soon, they'll be watching you. It's a future imagined at the 2002 movie "Minority Report." Cameras capture and read Tom Cruise's face. Then customized ads for his character pop up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jon Anderson, you can use a Guinness right around now.

LAH: That future is now. This billboard sees you, scans your face, then pulls up an ad you'll like.

(on camera) Here's how this works. When you walk up to the ad, a camera captures your image. The computer figures out if you're a man or a woman and your age. Meanwhile, an age and gender-specific ad rolls.

This shows that I'm in my 30s and I like seasonal pasta.

The computer then determines how interested you are, how long you stay. That data is then recorded for the company.

(voice-over) NEC engineer Ajuko Amagai (ph) says the facial recognition technology is accurate to within ten years of your actual age, and the next gen system they're testing out is even more age accurate.

"This is a new age of advertising," says Amagai (ph). "We can learn something we never knew from marketing."

The new ads give real-time reactions to street signs so marketing can be more targeted and more effective. NEC believes the use of this technology in advertising is just the next step.

Kyung Lah, CNN, Tokyo.

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HOLMES: We saw more tears, raised voices, hurt feelings on both sides. Another heated hearing on those plans to build a mosque blocks away from Ground Zero. The very latest coming next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) HOLMES: At the half-hour now, let's get you caught up on some of the stories making headlines.

The government's point man on the oil disaster is expected to announce that a test on the broken well will go forward unless there are any last-minute objections from scientists. That's according to a BP source that spoke to CNN. The test had been put on hold.

Also at least 15 people hurt after an explosion and fire today at a factory near Pittsburgh. The factory makes coke. That is a carbon fuel that's produced from coal. An emergency officials says it appears one of the ovens at the plant blew up. U.S. Steel owns the plant, which it says is the biggest coke-making facility in the nation.

Also, to southern Afghanistan, where a dozen coalition troops have been killed over the past two days in bombings and small arms attacks. Eight of them were American, the other four British. Also the Afghan government says 11 civilians were killed in bombing attacks yesterday.

Well, there is a controversy out there with no compromise in sight, really. Plans to build a mosque a couple of blocks from the World Trade Center site having New Yorkers hurling accusations at each other. Another city holding a hearing on the future of the project getting pretty personal and a bit ugly, as well.

Let's hear more now from CNN's Deborah Feyerick.

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DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: To give you a sense of location, the landing gear assembly of one of the 9/11 planes ended up right where the proposed mosque would be built. It's supposed to be a symbol of religious diversity and tolerance sponsored by moderate Muslims, but for some it's triggering fears of Islamic extremism.

DANIA DARWISH, MOSQUE ADVOCATE: My family died that day!

FEYERICK (voice-over): It was a meeting filled with pain, sorrow and outright anger. Many came to say no to building a mosque near Ground Zero.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have we forgotten what happened at 9/11?

FEYERICK: Others, like Dania Darwish, who lost an aunt and two friends on 9/11, came to say it's the right thing to do.

DARWISH: And all you people here yelling at me don't even know. And maybe if a mosque were built, then you guys would know what Islam was about.

FEYERICK: For three hours, tempers flared on both sides.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is a very carefully planned effort on the part of radical Islamists. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's called Islamophobia. Pure and simple.

FEYERICK: New York City's Landmark Preservation Commission took it all in as it considers the fate of this 19th century building two blocks from Ground Zero. If designated a landmark, the original building will remain. If not, American Muslim groups will tear it down and move ahead with plans to build an interfaith community center and mosque.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I do feel that it would be a terrible mistake to destroy a 154-year-old building in order to build a monument to terrorism.

FEYERICK: The meeting wasn't pretty, as emotions boiled over.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... that I'm ashamed to be an American...

FEYERICK: (Inaudible), a Muslim-American, reminded the crowd, people from many countries and religions died on 9/11.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If anyone has a doubt, this is my American passport.

FEYERICK: (Roselyn Talen-Heckelburg) opposing the mosque, spoke on behalf of her brother, a firefighter who gave his life saving those in the towers.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm not racist, thank you!

FEYERICK: Some were suspicious of Imam Faisal Abdul (Rauf) whose Cordoba initiative is behind the project with one gubernatorial candidate even calling for an investigation into the $100 million center's funding.

RICK LAZIO, (R)NEW YORK GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE: And I would ask again in the context of this decision that you give people a time to have these questions answered.

FEYERICK: New York's Mayor, Michael Bloomberg, rejects that.

MAYOR MICHAEL BLOOMBERG, NEW YORK: The government should never, never be in the business of telling people how they should pray or where they can pray.

FEYERICK: Imam Faisal was out of the country and unavailable for comment, but a spokeswoman said the center would counter extremism by giving moderate Muslims a voice.

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FEYERICK: New York is not alone around the country in places like Tennessee, Wisconsin, Georgia and Ohio, opposed mosques have also been met with great resistance. Clearly ground zero is unique because so many consider it sacred ground. A vote is expected next month. Deborah Feyerick, CNN, New York.

HOLMES: And it has been a deadly 48 hours for American and British troops in Afghanistan. We're going there for the latest.

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HOLMES: Time for us now to go "Globe Trekking." Our first stop is Afghanistan. The past 48 hours have been deadly for U.S. and British troops there. Eight American and four British troops were killed in Taliban attacks in the southern part of that country.

July on course to surpass June as the deadliest month for U.S. forces in the Afghan war. CNN's Atia Abawi for us from the Afghan capital.

ATIA ABAWI: Another grim reminder of what is expected to be the deadliest month in the war in Afghanistan since it began in 2001. Today reports of eight Americans dead in the last two days. Five were killed today, four from an improvised explosive device, IED is the number one killer for NATO forces in Afghanistan.

It is said that over 80 percent of NATO casualties are because of these roadside bombs. Another American was killed today because of small arms fire, and three were killed yesterday in Kandahar City repelling an insurgent attack. It happened when insurgents were trying to take over an Afghan police space. They were confronted by ISAF and Afghan soldiers.

In the end, the insurgent soldiers were defeated, but three Americans were killed as well as five Afghan nationals working in that compound. June was the deadliest month for NATO forces in Afghanistan with at least 101 service members killed. But many experts say that it will get a lot worse before it gets any better. Atia Abawi, CNN, Kabul.

HOLMES: And then we turn from Afghanistan where Atia was, head over to Yemen. Now this is a country that U.S. officials warn could be the next operational and training base for al Qaeda. Suspected al Qaeda gunmen today killed three Yemenis security officials in attacks in the southern part of the country.

This is just the latest attack blamed on al Qaeda. Now, some key facts you might not know about the country, Yemen is the ancestral homeland of Osama Bin Laden. It's the poorest country in the Arab world. The country is dominated by various tribes and factions.

The government faces a violent separatist movement in the south and a conflict with Shiite Muslims in the north. Also Washington as I mentioned warns Yemen could become al Qaeda's next operational base. But in a bid to slow or stop that development, U.S. and British military forces are training Yemenis security forces as you see in some of these pictures here.

None of the governments include here or involved here say much about the operation. Al Qaeda in Yemen claimed it was behind the failed attempt to blow up a U.S. jetliner on Christmas day. It also says it carried out the deadly attack on the U.S. embassy in 2008 and of course, the bombing of the "USS Cole" back in 2000. Well, two people trying to flee the floodwaters from Hurricane Katrina shot dead by police. No conviction locally, but now the federal government, their prosecutors are bringing their own charges.

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HOLMES: Well, taking a look now at some of the stories making headlines. The government's point man on the oil disaster is expected to announce that a test on the broken well will go forward unless there are any last-minute objections from scientists, according to a BP source that spoke to CNN. The test had been put on hold.

Also an Arab language TV network is airing a tape reported to be of that from the confessed Times Square bomber, Faisal Shahzad. In the video, the man talks about a revenge attack against the U.S. prior to the failed attempt to set off a car bomb in the heart of New York back in May. CNN could not immediately verify the tape's authenticity.

Also an FDA panel could vote today whether to yank Avandia from the market. It is holding a second day of hearings into the diabetes drug, including concerns it could increase the risk of heart disease. A Senate committee released a document showing GlaxoSmithKline hid information about the drug's safety. The company says several trials have shown that the drug is in fact safe.

We turn now to "Crime and Consequence." Nearly five years after Hurricane Katrina, federal prosecutors are bringing charges against four New Orleans police officers and two supervisors. The officers are accused of gunning down an killing a 40-year-old disabled man and a teenager as they tried to cross the Danziger Bridge to leave the flooded city. The federal indictment also alleges the two supervisors helped them to obstruct justice. Attorney General Eric Holder announced the charges yesterday.

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ERIC HOLDER, ATTORNEY GENERAL: Put simply, we will not tolerate wrongdoing by those who are sworn to protect the public. This will not stand. We will hold all offenders accountable. While accountability is a vital part of the reform process, it will take more than this investigation to renew the New Orleans Police Department and to allow it to thrive.

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HOLMES: The feds say they waited all this time to bring charges so local officials could wrap up their investigation. The local D.A. did bring charges, but did not get a conviction. Drew Griffin with our "Special Investigations Unit" has been following this story for some time now. He talked to the brother of one of the victims, a witness as well as a police union rep.

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DREW GRIFFIN, CNN INVESTIGATIVE UNIT CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Chaos engulfing New Orleans that Lance Madison and his mentally handicapped brother Ronald fleeing floodwaters ran head-on into what's become known as the "Danziger Bridge Killings."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I said he was shot about right up in here. About right here and we kept running up the bridge here. Trying to go zigzag so they wouldn't hit us.

GRIFFIN: Crossing the bridge, they suddenly found themselves being shot at by armed men dressed in t-shirts driving a postal truck. What they didn't know was the armed men were actually police who thought they were coming to the rescue.

There had been a frantic radio call that Sunday morning. It was reporting police under fire. Contractors being shot at on this bridge.

(on camera): It turns out it was all just one big mistake in the chaos after Katrina. Some would say it was based on lies. There were no contractors under fire on this bridge, police never found anybody with a gun.

(voice-over): What they did find was a man running away from them, down this bridge. They chased him, shot him and killed him. Two people were killed that day. Ronald Madison was one of them. Another four were wounded.

The seven police officers involved have always said the shooting was justified. The New Orleans Police Department, which investigated itself, agreed.

PETER SCHARF, TULANE UNIVERSITY CRIMINOLOGY PROFESSOR: The more critical question is not the seven guys on the bridge, but can this police department investigate itself.

GRIFFIN: Police say they fired in self-defense when Madison reached for his waist and turned on them. But CNN has been uncovering details that raise doubts. An autopsy revealing Madison was shot in the back.

Lack of any evidence Madison was ever armed. And finding a witness who says he saw officers line up and gun down a man running away.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: With all motion moving and just --

GRIFFIN (on camera): And then how did he fall?

KASIMIR GASTON, WITNESS: He just fell like -- like he was collapsing, like he was collapsing. Like something had just like wiped him out.

GRIFFIN: You didn't see any gun on him?

GASTON: I didn't see any on him.

GRIFFIN (voice-over): Seven police officers cheered as heroes by their colleagues were indicted for the murder and attempted murder of Ronald Madison. But the case was thrown out on a technicality.

(on camera): Do you believe these officers did nothing wrong, that there was no crime or even misconduct on that bridge?

MICHAEL GLASSER, PRESIDENT, POLICE ASSOCIATION OF NEW ORLEANS: none whatsoever. We're confident that these officers acted appropriately. In fact heroically and we're certain that this investigation will have the same conclusion as the last one, that they did in fact act appropriately and heroically.

GRIFFIN (voice-over): Rommell Madison says in the aftermath of Katrina, the police force did what it wanted.

(on camera): Of all the victims of Hurricane Katrina, your brother among them, was justice in the rule of the law also a victim in this town?

ROMMELL MADISON, VICTIM'S BROTHER: Yes, it was just as badly wounded as my brother was because it just doesn't exist.

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HOLMES: Again, that was our Drew Griffin reporting. Officers charged yesterday could face the death penalty. More now on the victims, Ronald Madison was a 40-year-old man with disabilities. He was shot in the back.

The other victim, James Brissette. A family attorney says the 11th grader at Frederick-Douglas High School had passed test with gifted and talented in reading, English and the arts, and one of his goals has been to join the Marines.

Well, still searching. Six months later, hundreds of Haitian kids still wondering where are their parents. We'll see how some relief workers are trying to help.

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HOLMES: It has been six months now since that devastating earthquake in Haiti. Earlier, we took you to an orphanage that was short on food and other supplies, but there are hundreds of other kids out there who don't even know if they actually are orphans. They're separated from their families. CNN's Gary Tuchman went along with volunteers who are trying to find the parents.

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GARY TUCHMAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Four- year-old John lost his mother in the Haiti earthquake. His father is also gone, but no one seems to know if he is dead or alive. For now, John lives in a tent in a homeless camp with a family who lived near his mother.

Supplies are short, providing food and water for the little boy is difficult enough. But, these two workers with the International Rescue Committee are looking to see if his father is somewhere out there.

They are among dozens of case workers from International Aid groups who look for parents and children separated by the earthquake.

(on camera): So they're basically doing the work of detectives. They're pounding the crumbling pavement, looking for any clues about the whereabouts of John's father.

(voice-over): They have an image of the boy on a camera in the neighborhood where his father might have recently been seen.

But this man doesn't recognize the boy's face or the father's name. And that's the same response they keep getting over and over and over again. But the aid group says this search will continue indefinitely.

JENNIFER MORGAN, INTERNATIONAL RESCUE COMMITTEE: We are certainly going to do everything that we can to trace his father.

TUCHMAN (on camera): Today, six months after the quake, nearly 1 out of 5 Haitians are homeless. There are roughly 9 million people who live in this nation. The U.N. says 1.6 million don't have a home.

(voice-over): And half of the homeless, about 800,000, are kids. Officially 2,500 of those kids are registered as separated from their parents since the quake, but there are likely thousands more.

MORGAN: Our first priority is to give them a chance to be unified with their family. If children's parents are dead, they may have extended family members that they can be reunified with. We want to exhaust every option before we consider adoption.

TUCHMAN: Despite the very difficult task, aid groups say they have reunited about 430 children with their parents since the quake. But so far, no luck for John.

(on camera): Do you like girls? No. That's our first answer from this shy little guy.

(voice-over): While we're on the air tonight, he's asleep, another night in the tent, a 4-year-old who still has no family.

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HOLMES: All right, our Gary Tuchman joins us now on the phone. Gary, you talked about some of the numbers, the estimate for how many kids out there in Haiti are separated from their parents. But does anyone have a good handle on that number? How many kids out there still don't know if they have parents?

TUCHMAN (via telephone): I mean, that's what's sad, T.J. is that, you know, there are officially 2,500 children registered as separated from their parents since the earthquake. But no one knows exactly how many more there may be. They know there are thousands more, but they don't know for sure. What's really important to these international aid groups is that people don't assume these are children who are orphaned. In most cases, these are children who are not orphans. It's just very hard to find these parents. You might think, are the parents looking for the kids.

Well, the issue for a lot of these parents they have no money. They have no internet. They have no TV. They have no car. They may not know how to find a loved one, a child. A lot of them -- a lot of people have a lot of children and may make assumptions that they're dead.

But in this particular case, in John's case, it's also possible because his parents were separated that his father is not interested in seeing his son again. That's what's sad. They're just not sure, but they will keep trying. They do not want these children to be adopted by other families if they have any blood relatives around in Haiti who want to take care of them.

HOLMES: Well, Gary, do we have an idea of exactly who's taking care of the kids now? I know you gave us an example of some people out there, the aid workers.

But how many -- if there was a parent out there looking for a child, do they have certain hubs set up around the town for children who are separated from their parents? Where do you even go to find these kids, quite frankly? Who's taking care of them?

TUCHMAN: Well, that's precisely the problem. It's not like there's one great recreational center where these children are brought. What they're working in every case is different.

In John's case, he's staying with a neighbor who's willing to take care of him for a while. In other cases, they try to find people who are willing to take care of kids. But the kids are in all different spots and that's why really is.

I mean, you have to be very resourceful and have some money and you know connections to figure out where your kids are. That's certainly a big problem. That's why these international aid workers are being so zealous from their detective work going all over Port-Au- Prince asking the important questions.

HOLMES: Gary, the ages on these kids I assume they must be the younger kids who probably don't even know what address, what city, what part of town even they were from. Is that the challenge, a lot of these are younger kids who can't communicate where they might be from?

TUCHMAN: Exactly right, I mean, you saw with little John. I spent a lot of time with him. He didn't really want to talk to me. The aid workers have the same problem. They try to talk to him, talk to him about where your father might be and he's cute and doesn't want to talk and that certainly makes it a little bit harder. HOLMES: All right, our Gary Tuchman doing the reporting for us from Haiti, from Port-Au-Prince. Gary, we appreciate you and the story. Thanks so much. Again, here we are some six months after that devastating quake.

Meanwhile, to the disaster back here happening in the U.S. Containment cap that's on hold right now in the Gulf. Got some more testing that needs to be done and we are getting updates from the BP top execs. That's next.

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HOLMES: Day 86, it is of the Gulf oil disaster. What do we have on day 86? No oil is being caught right now from a containment cap because the containment cap has been taken off. More oil is going unabated into the Gulf and the work has stopped on the relief well, the permanent solution. All that sounds like bad news.

But it could all be leading up to some really good news. More testing needs to be done on a new method for a new cap they're going to put on top. They hope that cap can actually help them capture all of the oil that's coming out, essentially stopping the leak, if you will.

But still, there is a hold-up. Our Ines Ferre is for us now in Destin, Florida. Ines, I know you are where Doug settles, where the BP executive is and a lot of people had questions for him about when is this process going to move forward? This process that so many people are optimistic about and we're not getting a real time line.

INES FERRE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Right, we're not, T.J. Well, BP COO Doug Suttles told us the following. This is all about the integrity test they want to do on the well. This is basically measuring the pressure of the well. They were going to do the integrity test yesterday.

And Suttles said that they were approached by a group of government scientists who had concerns about the actual test itself. He said that they had concerns about the test and risks associated with it. He said they didn't want to make things worse. So they put the test on hold for 24 hours. Take a listen.

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DOUG SUTTLES, COO, BP EXPLORATION AND PRODUCTION: The thing we do not want to occur is somehow through this test is that the flow somehow not come up through the well but escape outside the well. That's the situation we don't want to occur. That's what the test is designed to look into and that's what's so important.

But at the same time, I think people are optimistic and hopeful that this will work. But I would also tell you, if it doesn't, we have the containment system in place. We have more capacity than we've ever had today and very soon we'll have even more beyond that.

More hurricane-accommodating or resistant systems. We have the relief wells and we have these tieback options. Even if it isn't successful, we will continue to mitigate the effects, reduce it and ultimately get this thing stopped.

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FERRE: Now, so there was this 24-hour hold on this test, but Suttles saying they have been working through the concerns overnight. And they were going to have another meeting today at noon with the group of government scientists to see if those concerns had been resolved.

He said if they are resolved, then they would go ahead with the test later today. If not, they would see how they need to resolve them.

HOLMES: Ines, one more thing, do you get the sense that this could be it? Meaning, that this might be one of the best solutions, the solution that could finally -- there's so much on the line here that they just want to be extra, extra careful? They know how much is at stake with this attempt?

FERRE: They definitely are giving the sense that they want to be extra careful with this. Also giving the sense that there's a lot of players in the situation, that they're dealing with scientists from the government, dealing with different agencies.

So they want to make sure that they're proceeding step by step carefully with this. But they're also working in parallel with other things. Suttles talking today also about the containment efforts and the vessels that capture oil and the capacity that they want to bring those up to. So it's not just this that they're working on, but they're also working on other things to move forward.

HOLMES: All right, Ines Ferre for us in Destin, Florida. Ines, we appreciate you as always. Thank you so much.