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ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Police Release Flyer to Seek Clues in Kyron`s Disappearance; Craigslist Connection Suspected in Case of Missing Woman
Aired August 10, 2010 - 19:00:00 ET
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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, explosive new developments in the case of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman. Suspicious e- mails from step-mom Terri Horman, and claims she was feuding with Kyron`s father. Did he kick Terri`s teenage son out of the house? And could any of this explain little Kyron`s disappearance?
Then a 22-year-old mother who may have advertised herself as an escort on Craigslist has vanished. Could Megan Waterman`s disappearance be tied to her alleged online postings? Her devastated family joins us tonight in a cry for help to find Megan.
Ever felt like quitting your job and telling everyone to bleep off? This flight attendant did just that. He unleashed a profanity-filled tirade at an unruly passenger, grabbed a beer, pulled the emergency chute, and slid to freedom. Now, he`s a Facebook hero.
Plus, an A-list daughter makes her triple-X debut. Montana Fishburne, daughter of Oscar-nominated actor Laurence Fishburne, is calling herself Chippy D. and has filmed a porno. Montana Fishburne joins me on ISSUES tonight to explain to me her shocking decision to go into the world of porn.
ISSUES starts now.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Breaking news off the top: explosive new -- bombshell, really -- developments in the case of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman. Tonight, is there a possible motive for murder?
HLN affiliate KATU reports that weeks before little Kyron vanished, his step-mom, Terri, and his father, Kaine, had a huge fight over Terri`s teenage son from a previous relationship. That teen is seen there on the right. We have blurred his face.
Multiple witnesses at Terri`s gym say she was furious and allegedly complaining to anyone who would listen that Kaine was kicking her teenage son out of the house. Terri`s teen son did move out in March. Could that have been a motive to retaliate by getting rid of her husband`s son, Kyron?
Plus, investigators reportedly hunting for a mystery person spotted sitting in Terri`s white truck outside Kyron`s school on the very day he disappeared. Was it Terri`s good friend, DeDe Spicher? Police have just released this brand-new flyer, featuring DeDe, Terri, and Terri`s white truck, asking people if they saw these two women in that truck on the morning little Kyron disappeared.
It seems new witnesses are now coming forward after the missing boy`s dad begged everyone to tell everything they know.
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KAINE HORMAN, FATHER OF KYRON: He`s afraid. OK, there`s no fear that should override his at this point in time. So if you feel you`re afraid, put yourself in his shoes for two minutes. OK? This is about him. It`s about finding him. There shouldn`t be fear from an adult in this case. OK, so if you have information, even if it`s insignificant, come forward, bring it forward.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Also tonight, stunning, newly-released e-mails purportedly from Terri Horman, the step-mom. You`re seeing her right there. She vehemently defends her innocence. You will not believe what she wrote just one day after her stepson vanished.
Straight out to my fantastic expect panel. But first, Michelle Sigona, investigative journalist of MichelleSigona.com.
Michelle, what do you know about police releasing this new flyer featuring DeDe Spicher, and Terri, and the truck?
MICHELLE SIGONA, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: I just spoke with the Lieutenant Lindstrand from the Multnomah County Sheriff`s Office, and she told me that over the weekend this flyer and this particular questionnaire was released, but only to a specific group.
And I did talk to someone on the ground who lives about four miles away from Skyline Elementary School. And the neighbor told me that she did receive the flyer. She was asked if her property could be searched. But she did not see any investigators on that property.
Lieutenant Lindstrand told me that their information to go out and search various areas came from tips and leads, but she would not specifically comment and say from where those tips and or leads came from.
But they are seeking more information, as you can see on your screen. Obviously there`s Terri`s truck. There`s pictures of Terri Moulton Horman. There`s also pictures of her friend DeDe.
DeDe on the day that Kyron went missing reportedly went missing from her job for a period of time. She up and left. She was doing a gardening project near the school. But no one knows where she went.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Now, local reports say multiple witnesses saw somebody sitting in Terri`s white truck while Terri was inside the school taking these photos we`re about to show you of Kyron posing in front of his science fair project.
Now Terri claims after she left the school, she went to two stores and the gym. She never said anything about driving around with somebody else or being with another adult.
There`s been speculation that Terri`s close friend, DeDe Spicher, might have been with Terri that day. Witnesses claim DeDe left work for about 90 minutes right around the time Kyron went missing. And tonight she is featured on this new police flyer with photos of Terri in her white truck. OK.
Again, Joe Navarro, you`re the investigator. Terri`s never mentioned being with anyone else that morning. And she`s reportedly failed two polygraphs, why won`t cops call her a suspect at this point?
JOE NAVARRO, INVESTIGATOR: Well, they`re going to be hesitant to call anybody a suspect until they have a lot more information. But I`ve got to tell you: anybody that is associating that closely with these individuals -- and we don`t know exactly what they did; they`re not forthcoming in what they have done and what they know -- is certainly raising the red flag to say, "Look at me even further."
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, and again, no suspects, no persons of interest in this case. And DeDe Spicher has said to her attorney -- that`s Terri the step-mom -- but DeDe has said through her attorney she is cooperating with law enforcement.
Now, the biggest bombshell, hypothetically a possible motive. Reports claim months before little Kyron disappeared, Terri, the step-mom, complained that her husband was throwing her teenage son out of their house.
Terri, of course we all know, used to be a body builder. And according to her gym buddies, she was furious and complaining to anyone at the gym who would listen that Kaine wanted her biological son out of the house. In March, Terri`s son, James, did move out. He went to live with his grandparents and later apparently moved in with his biological father. No explanation as to why he moved out of Kaine and Terri`s home. And we`ve called Kaine today, and we`ve gotten no response.
So I`ve got to -- I`ve got to ask. Debra Opri, you`ve covered so many of these kind of cases. If Terri was furious that Kaine forced her teen son to move, could prosecutors argue this is a motive to punish him by hurting his son?
DEBRA OPRI, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: Jane, you and I have both worked on a lot of cases. I as an attorney/commentator, you as a reporter. What we need to look at is credibility and all of the facts that are being leaked out by law enforcement.
This is a new era in the law enforcement`s use of the media and the court of public opinion. It now matters greatly, because it`s going to be the public that solves this crime.
The tidbits that are coming out weekly in press conferences, it`s basically helping people to help solve a crime. And the whole country, through shows like yours, specifically the show like yours, is going to solve this crime and that fact, in and of itself, that her son was being kicked out and she was angry, it goes to her motive. It goes to the probable cause...
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Exactly. Bruce McCain, you used to work in the sheriff`s office investigating this case. Is this hypothetically a motive for -- dare I say -- the other "M" word?
BRUCE MCCAIN, FORMER CAPTAIN, MULTNOMAH SHERIFF`S OFFICE: Well, of course, it is Jane. Every crime, obviously needs the means, motive, and opportunity. So we`re talking about means, motive, it`s certainly there, and the opportunity.
And I would like to add one more key piece that came out this afternoon of Portland. We talked yesterday about DeDe Spicher going missing in action for about an hour and a half at that gardening residence. Well, the owners of that residence today indicated that she was actually gone for almost four hours from almost 9 a.m. until 1 p.m. That now puts her into that time zone shortly after the Skyline School emptied out. So absolutely, the relationship between (UNINTELLIGIBLE) and her is going to be talked about.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: That is new information. That`s new information. That`s new information. OK. Breaking news right here on this broadcast. Once again, state that basic fact that you heard and, of course, this is a claim. I shouldn`t say a fact -- Bruce.
MCCAIN: Well, again, it`s being reported here in Portland that the owners of the property at which DeDe Spicher was gardening on June 4 have now said that she was gone for longer than the hour and a half from 11:30 to 1. It was closer to 9 a.m. to 1, almost four hours on Friday, June 4.
And that`s critical because that also coincides with the time that Terri Horman was supposedly driving around with her little daughter, trying to get her to go to sleep in the white Ford F-250.
OPRI: Credibility, Jane.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, and getting back to this whole new development of witnesses saying they saw someone in the vehicle with Terri on the morning that Kyron disappeared. It dovetails with that, does it not, Michelle Sigona?
SIGONA: It really does. And those are more reports that are coming out. Apparently, a couple of witnesses in the school and near the school saw someone, an adult, possibly in Terri Horman`s truck. And that`s what they`re trying to figure out is, No. 1, if there was an adult inside of that truck. No. 2, who that person was. And No. 3, what were they doing in the vehicle if she maybe had claimed to go to the school by herself with Kyron.
We may find out a little bit more tomorrow morning, 11 a.m.; there is a press conference scheduled.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: And we will be covering that completely here on ISSUES tomorrow night.
Again, Terri, the woman you`re looking at, has reportedly failed two polygraphs, and she doesn`t say anything about being with another adult on that morning.
Diana, Washington, your question or thought, ma`am?
CALLER: Yes, hi, I`ve been following this from the start and it does stink. I live in Washington, which is bordering -- pretty much bordering Oregon, and there is a lot of forest and trees and stuff like that. And I`m wondering, could it have been her older son in the truck with her? And could they have maybe switched off with DeDe Spicher, and she could`ve driven them to a remote location somewhere in the mountains or the Blue Mountains or, you know, over towards Eastern Oregon somewhere and have him stashed there. Because she`s mad about her son being gone, then she`s going to have Kyron gone. Could that be it?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Whoa. Well, that -- it could be. That`s a big if. We don`t know, obviously.
I`ve got to say one other thing, Debra Opri. I`ve got to talk about these e-mails. A local news station that said they obtained e-mails from Terri and that she says that the child was with a male chaperone. And she says a whole bunch of things. But I thought the most significant is that she says the child was with a male chaperone, but there were no male chaperones at the school that day. Does it appear that she`s trying to establish sort of other explanations for his disappearance?
Well, you know, first of all, when the stories keep changing, this goes to credibility. All I can tell you is, when you hear that there`s a male chaperone and no one else saw him, that`s one angle on the story. But if there was a male chaperone that other people -- a lot of other people, 300 people present, remember, at the school, saw a male chaperone taking children away. But that child was the only one missing. There weren`t other children taken.
So is it going to fly? It goes to the credibility, and as far as I`m concerned, at this point in time without a supporting piece of evidence, no.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: And on top of that, she also says in an e-mail, purportedly, that little Kyron was behaving in a weird fashion in the weeks before he disappeared. Now, the father has not said anything about that.
Again, a huge news conference tomorrow. We`re going to cover it here on ISSUES and bring you the very latest tomorrow. Thank you, fantastic panel.
Up next, a 22-year-old mom vanishes while visiting New York. Is her disappearance connected to an alleged escort ad on Craigslist? We`re taking your calls on this: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Bombshell developments in the disappearance of little Kyron Horman. Witnesses now coming forward and saying months before the child disappeared on step-mom Terri Horman`s watch, the same step-mom was complaining to anybody who would listen at her local gym that her husband, the missing boy`s father, was trying to kick her teenage son out of the house. And she was furious over it. And, in fact, her teenage son did leave.
This is a huge development, because it`s the first time in this case that we have heard anything that even hypothetically approximates a motive for why anybody would want to do something untoward to this child.
And Bruce McCain, you work in the sheriff`s unit that is investigating this case, or you did. This totally dovetails with what Kyron`s dad said, was that months before the little boy disappeared, Terri had tried to hire a hit man to have him killed.
MCCAIN: Well, Jane, that actually would be right about the same time, because the alleged landscaper hit was about six months, he said, before June. And James, the teenage son, reportedly left in early spring, purportedly because he was having trouble in school. We think there was more to that at that point.
So actually, that would be a very good question to ask Kaine. He`s been very up front about his relationship with Desiree and Terri in the past. It`ll be interesting to whether or not he comes forward and talks about his relationship with the teenage boy, who`s now living in southern Oregon.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, we tried to reach Kaine today and ask him about all this. We did not hear back. But all along I have said from the very beginning there`s more to this story, there`s more back story than meets the eye.
And remember, when the parents -- the biological parents -- held a news conference and pointed the finger at this woman, the redhead right there, they didn`t answer a lot of questions. They didn`t say anything specific. So that led me to believe that these biological parents knew a whole bunch that they weren`t saying.
The entire time, this dad -- if this is true, was aware that his wife was upset with him. If, in fact, he told that boy that he had to leave, that is a motive. And I want to know, Joe Navarro, why the heck didn`t they say this nine weeks ago when the child first disappeared?
NAVARRO: Well, it really makes you wonder why didn`t they say it? But this is a highly unstable situation. You know, why is -- are these children exposed to an individual who is this much unstable? There`s a threat of, you know, kicking one child out. There`s the allegation of a possible hit person. I mean, like you said from the very beginning, this stinks to high heaven. Why people aren`t coming forth is beyond me.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Maria, New Jersey, your question or thought, ma`am.
CALLER: Well, I think the previous caller may have touched on it. I was just wondering if the teenage son was with her that morning, or has he been accounted for during that time?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Michelle Sigona, investigative reporter?
SIGONA: Question -- it`s the same question I have asked investigators time and time again. It`s not something that they will comment on. But we do believe, and we do believe there are reports out that indicate that Terri claims she was alone that morning. And so -- and that also that Kaine had come home early from work. So those are the kind of details that, as the weeks go on, we`re starting to learn a little bit more.
And really to be honest, I mean, it wouldn`t be surprising if Kaine weren`t to come out within the next few days, I would imagine, and to be able to address a lot of these concerns and to be able to shed a little bit more light on the time line, because he has been forthcoming. And he does want to find his son, and he doesn`t want to shed any negative light on, you know, any more negative light on his family.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: And you know, this is such a mess. You call a meshed family. I would say a "messed" family, to a large degree.
Debra Opri, we also know the messy back story is when Desiree, Kyron`s biological mother was pregnant, all right, with Kyron, Terri was having an affair with Kyron`s dad. So there is a lot of potential for resentment and bad feelings here.
OPRI: Well, the big story on your show tonight is we now have potential motives here. But you also have to pay really strict attention to the time line, because this is a big puzzle with the pieces just now beginning to be put into place.
And as we evolve and analyze the family relationships, the cause of tension, the child and pieces of where this child was and where all the players were, the next piece of analysis you`ll be going into is who was with this woman and who was with this child on this time line? That`s going to be the most important thing we need to know because it`s going to be a crack.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, oh...
OPRI: Whoa. There`ll be a crack.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you, fantastic panel, especially for that in my ear.
A 22-year-old mom vanishes while visiting New York. Is her disappearance connected to an escort ring?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: A young mom allegedly moonlighting as a call girl vanishes in New York. Megan Waterman, last seen June 5 at a Holiday Inn on Long Island. Tonight, we`ll talk to her devastated mother.
Police say Megan`s escort ads on Craigslist could have something to do with her disappearance. Megan`s 20-year-old boyfriend called her family and told them Megan never made it back to their hotel room. Where is Megan Waterman? Has she been harmed by a sex client she picked up on the Internet? Does her boyfriend know more than he says?
Straight to Megan`s mother, Lorraine Ela.
Lorain, I can`t imagine what you`re going through. Our hearts go out to you. We want to help find your daughter. What do you think happened to your daughter?
LORRAINE ELA, MEGAN`S MOTHER: I`m not really sure. I don`t...
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Go ahead.
ELA: I don`t know if somebody -- I don`t know if somebody grabbed her while she was walking to the store or what. But I know she is definitely missing.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Police say Megan`s boyfriend, Akeem Cruz, is not a suspect, but this guy has a very troubling history riddled with violence. He was arrested -- just arrested for drugs, and he was also arrested for criminal mischief after an altercation with another woman who he allegedly threatened with a knife.
So let me ask Elizabeth Meserve -- you`re Megan`s aunt -- what are your concerns about this creep?
ELIZABETH MESERVE, MEGAN`S AUNT: Well, I`m concerned that he was the last one known to speak with her. Until she met him, she never had any kind of escorting services going on. Somehow he convinced her that this was a good way to make money or something. We`re not really sure. But we do know that she`s not gone willingly.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Posting ads for escort services on Craigslist can obviously have a deadly outcome. Remember Phillip Markos -- Markoff, who was dubbed the Craigslist Killer, after he allegedly murdered a woman he met on Craigslist in a Boston hotel room?
Now, she had posted an ad about erotic massage services.
He`s also accused of robbing other women. I`ve got to ask you, Lorraine, did you try to stop your daughter from getting involved in this escort business?
ELA: Yes. Me and my whole family have. We have told Megan how dangerous it is for her to be doing that. And she did it anyways. She didn`t listen.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did this guy, do you think, lure her into it? I know he`s from Brooklyn. He said he went up to Maine to go dancing, to go tonight clubs. There`s nightclubs in Brooklyn, not Maine. So do you think he went to a small town to get a small-town girl and seduce her into this?
ELA: Oh, definitely. I`m sure she`s not the only one that he`s done this to either.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, tell me about that.
ELA: We don`t have positive information about this, but I`ve been on his Facebook page. There are a lot of really young girls that are friends with him, even underage girls. And anybody I know that is associated with those ones, I`ve contacted them, and said, "Keep these girls away from this man. He`s dangerous."
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, let me ask the aunt, Elizabeth. This guy was arrested. He allegedly has a propensity to violence. Why didn`t cops, like, keep him behind bars so they could put the squeeze on him to tell everything he knows?
MESERVE: Well, they`re -- we know -- we know they`re doing everything that they can possibly do. But the laws in this country, you know, you can -- you`re presumed innocent until proven guilty. And he always gets bailed out. So until court dates come along, he`s free.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I`ve got to tell you, we`re going to stay on top of this case. We`re not letting it go. We`re going to have you back.
ELA: Thank you.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Because we want to find your missing daughter.
Up next, you won`t believe the stories we`ve got for you. And I mean it. They`re crazy.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`ve got breaking news just coming in to ISSUES as we speak. And it is tragic. Remains have just been found two miles outside the Beaver Creek campground in Arizona.
Cops are investigating right now to determine if that body is the body of this child here, 2-year-old Syler Newton who went missing on July 25th. You may remember, he`s the toddler who was camping with his custodial mother when he disappeared in the dead of night wearing only a diaper. And this story got national attention.
We covered it numerous times here on ISSUES. We had reports of extensive, extensive searches in the area. And once again, breaking news: we can tell you that at this time, according to the wire copy I am looking at, they say the remains are believed to be that of Syler Newton, but final confirmation is still pending.
Joe Navarro, you`re a former FBI senior profiler. We`re going to go to you in a second. But we begin with Debra Opri, family law expert. This is the result we never want. We never want -- we never want to say a child`s body has been found.
It`s just -- makes you sick.
DEBRA OPRI, FAMILY LAW EXPERT: Yes. Jane, all I can tell you is that child should not have been in that area under those conditions. He shouldn`t have been in the tent. It was not a necessary death. It`s just there was no rhyme or reason why that should`ve happened to that boy.
I`m telling all of you with children out there, think. I`m a family law attorney. I see the carelessness every day. Just think it through before you make any decision involving your children. That includes activities, going out.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. They were sleeping, the custodial mom and her family in a tent with this beautiful, precious child, and the custodial mom says she woke up and the child was missing.
I`m going to go straight to Michelle Sigona, investigative reporter. I know there was a lot of talk when the child initially went missing as to why was this child with the custodial mother and not the biological mother? And then we found out they had an arrangement with the child -- six months with the biological mother, six months with the custodial mother.
Given what we know that this body has been found less than two miles from where he disappeared. Could it be that this is an innocent case of a child wandering off and falling in to a wash? Because it says the remains were located at the bottom of a wash.
MICHELLE SIGONA, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER (via telephone): Well, it could definitely be that, Jane. But also you have to remember that investigators told me early on and told you early on that this is not a missing person investigation -- this is a criminal investigation.
And when they put blood hounds out on the scene from that -- from the Beaver Creek area where he went missing on July 25th that they really didn`t want to venture far. They wanted to stay in that particular area, which led them to believe that possibly the body was close by or, you know, somewhere within the vicinity. So those are a couple of things to keep in mind.
We could only hope that there was no criminal activity or anything involved in this case. But investigators sort of went with that theory early on, and then they came out right after that and said we do believe that this child is not alive at this time.
SIGONA: They did not name any person of interest. They did not name any suspects in the case, you know. And they kept moving forward under the theory that they were moving to a recovery mode. And that`s why they were checking the landfill, and that`s why they were checking and a lot of the locations throughout the area.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: And I remember that they gave reportedly the custodial mom and her family polygraphs and said that they were cooperating with the investigation.
And one of the reasons why they felt that this was a criminal investigation is that the hounds, the blood hounds kept circling back to the camp. In other words, when the blood hounds are searching for a child and they take off and they go in some far direction, then you would assume that the child would`ve gone that way. But the fact that they kept circling back to the camp led investigators to believe that the child really --
OPRI: Was close by.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Was close by.
What happens next, Debra Opri? You`ve covered so many of these cases. If -- if tragically this is this precious child we`re looking at -- and again, according to the wire reports I`m seeing now, the remains are believed to be that of Syler Newton, but final confirmation is pending. How do they determine whether it`s just a tragic accident that he wandered off in his diaper and fell into a wash? Or whether this is something more nefarious?
OPRI: Well, it`s foul play if they do an autopsy and there are other elements that they find. They`re going to do, of course, the forensics on the crime scene. They`re going to work backwards from the crime scene or from the -- where the body was found backwards to the camp. And they will retrace the steps. And they will recreate what could`ve happened.
If it is an accident, is it child endangerment? Is it negligent entrustment to this woman? It is absolutely terrible if it was an accident. And it is criminal if they find out there was a third party involved. Again, I don`t know what to think other than it`s an accident at this point.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Again, this is breaking news. And the back story on this child was quite strange because he was being shared by a custodial mom and a biological mom.
Joe Navarro, you`re the profiler, a former FBI. We just had another story of a child who wandered off recently and was found in a well or a wash dead.
JOE NAVARRO, FORMER FBI PROFILER: Right.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: And it turned out that was not criminal. The poor little thing just wandered off and died and was lost. So, how in the world are cops going to figure this out?
NAVARRO: Completely different circumstances. Syler disappeared from a tent. He was literally a breath-length away from the other people. And this is highly -- highly suspicious. The fact that a child this young went as far as two miles, that alone --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, in the other case -- let me say this -- the other case that was just the other day, the child went three miles according to authorities and it was also a toddler also in a diaper. How are they going to be able to figure out if this was criminal or an accident?
NAVARRO: Well, the forensics. The forensics will go to that because they`ll be able to tell if he -- if the child expired from exposure or if there was animal activity -- I`ve been in that area, it`s very dangerous, or if there was some malicious intent from an adult.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you know, again -- this is breaking news just in. This beautiful, precious boy that you`re looking at there, they believe that his body has been found only two miles -- in fact, less than two miles from the campground where he disappeared.
And the question tonight, could a 2-year-old have somehow slid out of that tent while his custodial mom slept in a tent and wandered for two miles and could`ve eluded all the searching for him. Remember, when she woke up -- she woke up and immediately said, oh, my gosh, this child is missing.
The entire world descended on that campground and was searching for him. He disappeared on July 25th. So we`re talking a considerable amount of time. I find it kind of odd that it took them this long, Joe, to find this child if, in fact, the child was there all along.
NAVARRO: Well, it`s -- it`s definitely odd. But these things happen. But we`re comparing two different children. And, you know, I just find still find it very difficult to accept that this child disappeared from this tent and was able to ambulate for two miles all by himself.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Michelle Sigona, what possible motive would anybody have to harm this child?
SIGONA: I just can`t think of a possible motive that anyone would have to harm any child much less Syler. And you know, as you mentioned nearby, Emmett Trapp (ph) in the same area, the same investigators were working on his case and he wandered about a mile from his home in his bare feet, in his diaper and a t-shirt.
So children can get disoriented, they can wander. Again, we don`t know exactly where investigators are standing at this particular point after finding that body, but they are very meticulous, they`re very skilled.
They are going to go back from the area where he was camping and really try to retrace those steps to see if he was there or if someone took him there or is he small enough to maybe have, you know, if an animal possibly found his body and to move him to another location.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, well, I don`t think it was an animal. That`s for sure.
OPRI: Me either. I don`t.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I think there`s -- yes, we`re going to have to wait and see and we`re going to stay on top of this story.
Thank you, fabulous panel.
Up next, Laurence Fishburne`s daughter Montana joins us live to talk about her decision to get into porn.
We`re taking your calls. Yes, you can call her and ask her a question, 1-877-JVM-SAYS. She`s up next.
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WENDY MURPHY, FORMER PROSECUTOR: The difference between sex tapes, private sex tapes leaked -- ok maybe on purpose somebody wants to get a thumb up in celebrity-ville.
DUNCAN ROY, FORMER "CELEBRITY REHAB" CASTMATE: Exactly, on purpose.
MURPHY: And the business pornography that destroys women`s bodies, exploits women as a class --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hollywood`s still in shock tonight. Montana Fishburne, daughter of Oscar-nominated actor Laurence Fishburne is proudly going into porn and wants everyone to see her movie. We`ve got some clips from her movie.
Montana says this is her way for her to explore her sexuality and she wants her parents` support. Dad is reportedly devastated and has not yet spoken to his daughter. But we are talking to her tonight right here on ISSUES.
My very special guest tonight -- Montana Fishburne. Montana, thanks for joining us.
MONTANA FISHBURNE, ASPIRING ACTRESS: Thank you. I`m so happy to be here.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I have to start out by asking you what do you mean when you say you want to explore your sexuality through porn?
FISHBURNE: Well, I mean I have a lot of different fantasies and things that I want to experience. And porn, I`m interested in sex and the porn world and all the different things that it has to offer. I mean, I can explore bondage, girl on girl, different guys, everything. And get paid for it and have fun. I mean, that`s what I mean.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me ask you this. If you wanted to explore your sexuality, why not just meet somebody you care about and explore your sexuality with that person without a camera on?
FISHBURNE: I mean, I do, do that. I have a boyfriend, we have lots of fun and explore, but I like to do it on camera. And for me, I mean, I want to be in entertainment. So this -- this is the first step of my entertainment career.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I`ve got to ask you -- I think this is what -- I was thinking about this. Because I`m not a prude, I don`t mind nudity, I`m not afraid of sex if it`s part of art. But I think what maybe upsets people is the word porn.
Porn has been described -- I looked it up in the dictionary. Graphic sex whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal much as obscenity is described as utterly without redeeming social importance.
If you want to be an actress, why not be an actress and say well, I`ll do sex scenes when it really fits into the story line and -- and it`s art?
FISHBURNE: I mean I look at pornography as art. I see beautiful people, you know, touching each other in sensual ways, you know, doing erotic things to each other. And that -- for me, that is art; I think porn, film, and, you know, music, it`s all art. It`s just porn is more graphic.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, ok. One person who has turned sex into moneymaker is reality star Kim Kardashian. And Montana, you`ve mentioned Kim as sort of a role model to you. You said quote, "I`ve watched how successful Kim Kardashian became and I think a lot of it was due to the release of her sex tape". Kim had a sex tape with an old boyfriend.
Now she`s got a big reality show, perfume deals, and other endorsements. I mean is this how you see your career going? You`re going to do a porn and then you`re going to get in to something that`s much more lucrative?
FISHBURNE: I mean -- that is always -- I mean, that`s hopefully -- but I want to do porn, but it`s just one step in a long career, hopefully. I mean, look -- Kim, she`s beautiful -- she has the world at her feet and I hope I to too.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well --
FISHBURNE: So I hope it`s just laughed out.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I think people are saying, hey, you know, what about your dad? Your dad is reportedly devastated by this decision to go into porn although he hasn`t released any kind of official statement.
Some critics are saying, hey, no man deserves the Montana Fishburne treatment. You`re dad has worked his whole life to be a serious respected actor himself, he was nominated for an Oscar, he`s been in the "Matrix". We`ve got a clip from the "Matrix".
Do you realize by doing a porn and using your last name on the cover - - in other words the title of your porn is "Montana Fishburne", that it really does reflect on your dad?
FISHBURNE: I mean I understand that it reflects on my dad, but at the same time, it`s my name also. And we are two separate people. And I think because he`s had such a long, successful career and he is so respected, my actions should have nothing to do with him.
This has nothing to do with him. This is my own, you know, goal and aspiration. So --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Have you heard from your dad about this?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: What would you say to your dad right now if you could say one thing to your dad about this decision to go into porn?
FISHBURNE: That I love him and I didn`t do it to hurt him.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: You know it`s going to hurt him, though? You know that?
FISHBURNE: I mean I understand that, yes.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, well, how do you feel about the fact you`re going to hurt your dad?
FISHBURNE: I feel bad about it, but like I said, I`m not going to let hurting his feelings stop me from living my dream.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, I`ve got to say this, I`m a recovering alcoholic, ok, so I`m not pointing the finger. It`s a difficult question. But I want to give you the opportunity because people have been talking about this. It`s my big issue.
Montana, is there any way that you might be a sex addict, perhaps? Because I know you certainly obviously don`t need money. You`re the daughter of a very, very well-off man. But reports are you were arrested last year for alleged prostitution. What`s going on there?
FISHBURNE: That was a mix-up. I wasn`t arrested for prostitution. And I mean -- I don`t think I`m a sex addict at all, I have a healthy sex life, but I`m not like out trying to screw everything I see or, you know -- anything like -- I`m pretty conservative when it comes down to my personal life.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I don`t understand this. You`re a beautiful young woman. You have a famous father. Now we all know that Hollywood`s one of the nepotistic places on earth. You could easily get in to see anybody -- casting agents, get the best agents. Why not go that route?
FISHBURNE: I`ve thought about it. But my passion is with this porn. I mean, this is really the first step I wanted to do. I`m interested in the sex world. If it wasn`t porn, it would have been "Playboy". I mean --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Why do you think you`re so interested in porn? I mean, porn is when you are going to actually have sex with somebody on camera as opposed to pretending to have sex. You actually did have sex with an individual on camera. Who was that individual? And did you care for that person?
I mean -- shouldn`t sex be connected to caring for somebody? That`s the way I`ve always felt about it.
FISHBURNE: I mean -- I think it should be sometimes. I mean -- when I have sex in my personal life it`s with someone that I care about. But for porn, I think, it doesn`t need to be. It`s about having fun and exploring and it`s a job. It`s a job.
So, I mean, I don`t think sex has to be with somebody you love. There are people who have one night stands every night. But I`m not saying that`s me.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Do you get to decide what kind of sex that you want on this porn? Because look, we all know that porn can be very degrading to women and there are probably a lot of feminists who are saying, what is she thinking? I mean, as a woman you`re put in a situations where you`re sexually degraded by a man.
FISHBURNE: In this film I don`t feel degraded at all. I felt I had a say throughout the whole thing so it felt good. It felt empowering. It felt liberating. It was fun. It was nothing to make me feel dirty, ashamed, or negative or degraded in any way.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Would there be something you`d say, no, I won`t do that if they asked you to do something that was degrading and I`m sure everybody`s imaginations can run wild. We don`t have to say. Would you say, "No, I won`t do that?"
FISHBURNE: Yes, of course. If there is something that I don`t feel comfortable with I won`t do it and that`s it.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, fascinating discussion; Montana, thank you for having the courage to come in and talk about this. Again, very controversial but if you wanted attention, you`ve got it.
Ever feel like walking out of your job and never looking back? One flight attendant did it in a big way.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Can you say, "Take this job and shove it?" The cover of "The New York Post" says it all, "Freakin` Flier". JetBlue flight attendant goes berserk at JFK.
Steven Slater was arrested at his home yesterday after he allegedly lost it after a confrontation with an apparently unruly passenger, reportedly cursing her and saying that I`ve had it. That`s it.
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PHIL CATELINET, EYEWITNESS: At the very end as we were getting off the plane, he got on the intercom and made this announcement that he swore at a passenger and we didn`t know what that was about. The rest of us that were still waiting to get off thought that was just very strange; nobody ever gets on the intercom and swears.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: What caused him to fly off the handle? His ex-wife and good friend told TMZ a passenger tried to remove her bags while the plane was still taxiing and authorities say the flight attendant made his grand exit by deploying the emergency chute, throwing out his two bags and sliding off it but not before grabbing a brewsky.
Straight out to my special guest Karyn, who is a flight attendant and doesn`t want to reveal her last name or the airline she currently works with. What do you think about what this flight attendant did, Karyn?
KAREN, FLIGHT ATTENDANT: I think he did great. We put up with so much stuff from passengers that are just rude. They don`t want to listen to us. And you know, we`re there for their safety and they just don`t want to listen. I think he did great.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I mean come on though. He is charged with criminal mischief and reckless endangerment and criminal trespass. He could land in jail for up to seven years.
Here is how one onlooker described Slater in the moments after his tantrum.
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CATELINET: He flung his tie off. He was happy that he said, "I quit my job. I`m done with this." And he was happy. It wasn`t like he was mad. He seemed relieved and excited that his career was taking a new turn.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now he has become a cult hero. He`s gotten something like 25,000 or more Facebook friends. He`s plastered all over the Internet. A lot of people, Kate Hanni, founder of Coalition for Airline Passenger Bill of Rights, are saying, hey, you know, there are so many unruly passengers, disrespectful. It`s about time a flight attendant stood up to them.
What do you say?
KARYN: I agree with that.
KATE HANNI, FOUNDER, COALITION FOR AIRLINE PASSENGER BILL OF RIGHTS: Welcome to the age of aggressive travel. Travel has become trench warfare for the flight attendants and the passengers. I agree that some passengers are unruly but I`m an airline passenger rights advocate and we get calls every day on our hot line about conflicts between flight attendants and passengers where the passengers feel the flight attendants are abusing their authority.
So I say this event, unfortunately, is making this man a hero and we all, you know, kind of secretly want to say, yes. You know, it`s epic that he went out in this grand manner but at the same time we don`t want it repeated. We don`t want another, you know --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: The stress of 9/11. Ok? It increased the stress of flying -- the huge lines, the delays on the tarmac.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ari Novak (ph), you`re the anger management expert. What do people do? I had a flight that took me 24 hours to get from L.A. to New York and let me tell you me and the fellow passengers, we were furious.
ARI NOVAK, ANGER MANAGEMENT EXPERT: You know, for starters, I mean to glorify what he did, I think is sort of inappropriate. I mean I`m sure it was incredibly gratifying for him to, you know, quit his job the way that he did. It was totally inappropriate.
You know, clearly this is someone that was under a tremendous stress and didn`t quite know what to do with it in that very moment. You know, any time that you`re breaking the law to make a point about not liking your job or being unhappy about the way people are treating you, of course, that`s not a good idea.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Of course it`s not.
Thank you, fantastic panel.