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NANCY GRACE

"Teen Mom" Star Goes Berserk

Aired March 29, 2011 - 20:00:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. Reality stars top the charts with huge ratings and thousands of fans. Bombshell tonight. MTV star of "16 and Pregnant" and the star of "Teen Mom 2" in front of the camera again -- for a mugshot. "Teen Mom" star Jenelle Evans goes on a rampage, beating a love rival in a jealous rage, literally beating the girl into the ground, repeatedly punching her over and over. We have the video.

With rap sheets growing longer by the minute, exactly what message does the so-called reality series want to send? And why isn`t "Teen Mom" Jenelle Evans behind bars, along with her other co-stars?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) business. You invited me up here. You`re such a stupid (INAUDIBLE) (INAUDIBLE) (EXPLETIVE DELETED)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I didn`t do it!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, you did!

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hit her! Hit her! Hit her!

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. (EXPLETIVE DELETED) get her. Get her. Get her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sit up! Sit up!

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let her go! Let her go! Let her go!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Elbow her! Elbow her!

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Punch her, Jenelle!

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get her, Jenelle! (EXPLETIVE DELETED)

(CROSSTALK)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: And live to Florida. A beautiful high school honor student, reportedly accepted to multiple Ivy League schools, a Model U.N. member, avid runner at her private school, even has a brand-new sports Nissan sports car. One catch. Cops say she pistol-whips her own mother with a stolen 9-millimeter to force her mom to buy the Nissan 350Z car.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: First she came in and did her research on the car.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She couldn`t get approved by herself for the loan. The teen is facing serious charges tonight. The county deputies say the teen wanted a 350Z convertible in a bad way.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Extremely determined, especially for a 17-year- old. She was pretty persistent.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The girl called her mom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Her and her mom kind of got in an argument on the phone, said she`d be back.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Deputies say the teen left angry that her mother wouldn`t sign for her. Detectives say when she got home, she pulled out a gun, pistol-whipped her mom, then reportedly held her at gunpoint and made her drive to the dealership and sign for the car.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The mom was in a hurry, she told me, and just wanted to sign the paperwork and go.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Deputies say the mom was too scared to call 911 and waited until the next day, while the teen was at school.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The investigation revealed that the gun was stolen from an airport police officer.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How she got it, though, is still under investigation. According to the arrest report, the mother didn`t want to press charges, though, because she said her daughter is an honors student who has been recently accepted to several Ivy League colleges on scholarship.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. Reality stars top the charts with huge ratings and thousands of fans. MTV star of "16 and Pregnant" and also the star of "Teen Mom 2" in front of the camera again -- for a mugshot. "Teen Mom" star Jenelle Evans goes on a rampage, beating a love rival in a jealous rage, literally beating the other girl into the ground, repeatedly punching her over and over into the face amidst wild cheers from the crowd around her. We have the video.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re done. You`re done. You`re done.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Give it up. You`re done.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get out of my face!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My house, Jenelle!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t give a flying (EXPLETIVE DELETED) if it`s your house!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, guess what? You know why I did this, why (INAUDIBLE) To get you out of my house so you can`t touch this baby!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you know I can punch you in your (EXPLETIVE DELETED) face right now! I swear to God I`m about to, Mom (ph). I swear to (EXPLETIVE DELETED) God!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You (INAUDIBLE) get the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) inside the house! Get inside the house!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You hit me, you`re going to go to jail.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get inside the house before (INAUDIBLE) (EXPLETIVE DELETED) face!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Don`t you (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get inside the house!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I warned you!

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get out of my face and get inside the house.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: And this is topping the charts? This is what teenage girls are supposed to be in this country? Do you see these two out in the front yard? My big question is, Where are police and why isn`t she behind bars? Do I need to send them a copy of tonight`s show? And what about the last clip, where the "Teen Mom" is cursing out her mother on the front porch, threatening to kill her? She threatens to shoot her in the face. That`s a terroristic threat. Why no action? Because they`re on a reality TV show? What does that mean to me? Nothing!

We are taking your calls. Out to Alexis Tereszcuk. Let`s take one of these "Teen Mom" stars at a time. Alexis joining us from Radaronline.com. Alexis, let`s deal with this one first, the two down on the front yard, where one girl is getting her face beaten into the dirt. What happened?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: So Jenelle Evans is the girl that`s on the TV show.

GRACE: Whoa, whoa! Whoa!

TERESZCUK: She has been...

GRACE: Number one, Jenelle Evans.

TERESZCUK: Yes.

GRACE: Now, I`ve been told that that is a star. OK. Is that the same girl that`s always on the front of "In touch" and "US" and all of the mags? And they`re fighting about who`s going to have custody and they`re fighting about boyfriends and -- is that the one?

TERESZCUK: Well, she`s one of many. There`s another one that...

GRACE: OK.

TERESZCUK: ... you also talked about. Amber Portwood (ph) is definitely also...

GRACE: Right.

TERESZCUK: ... going through a huge custody battle. Yes. Jenelle actually turned over custody of her baby to her mom. She did that a few months ago. She just felt like she could not handle the responsibility, maybe the only responsible decision she`s made in quite a while. But her mother has custody of her little boy.

So she has been dating this guy, Kiefer Delp. Apparently, he was at this other woman`s house, Brittany (ph). Brittany called Jenelle, taunted her, said, Your boyfriend`s here, he`s flirting with me. Jenelle, of course, goes over to the house with another friend, another girl named Brittany (ph). This second Brittany eggs Jenelle on, and then Jenelle gets in the fight with Brittany Truett. So two of them, as you see...

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: Put Tereszcuk back up. Let me tell you something, Alexis. If someone pushed me into somebody else, that`s not my cue to start a fistfight and literally beat the victim`s face into the dirt, all right? I would probably turn around and go, Why did you shove me? But that`s not a cue to start a fight, in my mind, a possible aggravated battery. That`s a felony, Alexis Tereszcuk, a felony. Continue.

TERESZCUK: And you`re right, except they were only charged with public disorder, which is just fighting in public. All three girls were charged with...

GRACE: Wait, wait, wait! Alexis, is this -- can you see the monitor? Is this the boyfriend they`re fighting over? This is it? That`s what this is about?

TERESZCUK: Yes. Yes. It is. He`s the one it`s about.

GRACE: OK. Well, somebody needs to tell her that men are like buses. A new one comes along every 15 minutes. No need to have a fight and go to jail over it. But uh-uh, she`s not in jail, is she. She`s out. Why?

TERESZCUK: No. She got bailed out on $500. The funny thing is all three of these girls were arrested, not when any of them went to file charges, but after the video was sold to an agency and made public. That`s when the district attorney got involved, and so that`s when they went to jail.

GRACE: Joining me right now is a special guest. You all know Dr. Drew Pinsky. He`s about to launch a brand-new show here on HLN. We`re looking forward to it. Dr. Drew, I don`t get it. Now, you have involvement in the "Teen Mom" series, and you`re very well respected. I don`t understand why this would even be on (ph) by these girls -- you know, you can`t have it both ways, number one. You can`t call them a woman, a grown lady, and a teen. So which one is it? And why are they not in jail, Dr. Drew?

DR. DREW PINSKY, NIGHTLY "DR. DREW" PREMIERES ON HLN APRIL 4: I`m not a legal expert. I cannot explain that. She should be in jail. She`s had previous legal problems. She should face the law just like anyone else. I don`t think it has anything to do with the reality program. And let`s be clear. The reality program is intended to be a cautionary tale. It`s about how lives unravel because of teen pregnancies. And these are the consequences we are looking at, jail, institutionalizations, children being given over to grandmothers, domestic violence. That is the consequence of "Teen Moms" and that is what`s being portrayed in this series.

GRACE: OK, well, you`re scaring me right now, all right, because if this is what happens, I mean, every teenage girl in America should find out about this. But I don`t understand why someone that behaves this way and actually is committing a crime has a TV show.

PINSKY: As far as I know...

GRACE: I guess I should ask Charlie Sheen.

PINSKY: ... this was committed -- yes. This was committed long after the television show was filmed. And let`s be clear. She was one of a couple of dozen kids, and she was someone that was not necessarily the focus of these series. She`s someone that has been in trouble all the way along, and there`s been a lot of focus on her from the standpoint of her mental health and her run-ins with the law and the domestic violence issues.

But the shows are documentaries. They document the unraveling of lives that are caused by teen pregnancy. And let`s be also clear. The teenagers in this country are not stupid. They`re quite smart. And when the -- the impact of these shows have actually been very positive. They`ve allowed kids to understand the consequences, and currently, teen pregnancy is at an all-time low. The National Campaign to End Teen Pregnancy has documented and followed the impact of these shows and shown kids are smart. They understand that this is not the way to live their lives and that this is where they`re headed if they don`t delay things like sexual activity and attend to the potential of pregnancy.

GRACE: Dr. Drew, question. When you take a look at this video, one thing that stands out to me is the freaks that are standing around, egging it on.

PINSKY: Yes, that for me is what stands out immediately, is why aren`t they in jail? Why aren`t they accomplices? Jenelle has a long history of mental health issues and aggression. Why aren`t the people that are involved in her life, putting (ph) in these situations also held accountable? This is not just one person. There`s a whole community here involved in this, and none of it is OK.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Elbow. Elbow her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Punch her, Jenelle.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get her, Jenelle!

(CROSSTALK)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get her, Jenelle! Get her!

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Star of "Teen Mom 2."

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you know I can punch you in your (EXPLETIVE DELETED) face right now!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You hit me, you`re going to go to jail!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is a dose of reality.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh! Oh! Oh!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Give it up! You`re done!

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) got beat up.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Caught on tape.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get her, Jenelle! Get her! Get her, Jenelle!

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The public fight that has other people watching and other people sort of fearful.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You stupid (EXPLETIVE DELETED) I hate you! So (EXPLETIVE DELETED) you, and you`re going to be served, Mom!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`s 9 months old. (INAUDIBLE) take care of him. You`re out all the time.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I told you, you are not going to do this!

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re not going to get custody easy as that. I see that child every (EXPLETIVE DELETED) day, and I make sure I see that child every day! Shut the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) up, stupid (EXPLETIVE DELETED)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: You`re seeing video of "Teen Mom 2" from MTV. It just seems to get worse and worse. And apparently, she goes on to threaten to shoot her mother in the face, to kill her own mother.

To Amy Palmer, senior editor, "In Touch Weekly," joining us out of New York. Amy, weigh in.

AMY PALMER, "IN TOUCH WEEKLY": Yes, I mean, it`s so disturbing to see that this kind of programming is resonating with young people on MTV. I mean, over three million people tuned in to see the premiere, and that number has grown considerably. These women, these young women, are making $65,000 per season. It`s really unbelievable.

GRACE: Well, I don`t know so much, Dr. Drew, that it`s resonating. Of course, Amy`s right regarding the numbers that MTV is pulling in. But it`s kind of like watching a train wreck. You just can`t help it.

PINSKY: Absolutely. No, absolutely. And again, if the objective data suggested that this was having an untoward effect, we`d have an entirely different conversation. But the fact is, the objective data has been collected by the National Campaign to End Teen Pregnancy, and the impact has been precisely what any of us would want, cautionary tales. Young people are learning where not to go with this.

And as far as payment for these young girls, they`re destitute, with kids. I hope they make some money from this. God knows the networks make money off it. I hope they get some compensation, too, because they are really in trouble financially, every one of them, trying to raise kids...

GRACE: Well, you know what, Dr. Drew?

PINSKY: ... trying to deal with these -- yes?

GRACE: Maybe you ought to make that paycheck out to the grandmothers, since a lot of them...

PINSKY: Right.

GRACE: ... fork the kids over...

PINSKY: That`s right.

GRACE: ... to the grandmothers. They don`t want to raise the children.

PINSKY: I agree.

GRACE: One thing you brought it up is that all these people, these freaks standing around, egging them on should be in jail. Oh, if it were just that simple, Dr. Drew.

Unleash the lawyers, Sue Moss, family law attorney, New York, Randy Kessler joining us out of Atlanta, Raymond Giudice, defense attorney, Atlanta.

You know what, Ray, it doesn`t work like that. Under our jurisprudence system, if you`re egging somebody on, that doesn`t land you in jail. You got to have to have a hand in it.

RAYMOND GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Unfortunately, I agree with you. And let me say something, at the risk of not being invited to another one of your shows. I`m going to agree with you that this young lady should be punished, and I`m going to tell you why. I`ve seen 19-year-olds not get punished on what the law considers a small misdemeanor offense, and then come back and commit felonies later on because they don`t get it.

GRACE: And you know, another thing, you know, Raymond, you`re juggling a blended family now.

GIUDICE: Right.

GRACE: When you married, your wife had the two little girls that you are helping to raise now. What if one of those two little girls punched your wife and told her that she`s going to shoot her in the face?

GIUDICE: Well, let me just say...

GRACE: Now, I guess you would be calling 911 about then!

GIUDICE: Well, I would. And let me just say that we`ve had a little bit of smartmouth because we got a couple of pre-teens. And I tell them that they may think they`re talking to their mother that way, but they`re talking to my wife that way and they can`t do it. But that`s got to get stopped early in the game. Just like in the criminal justice system, you`ve got to get these kids early to teach them you don`t want to be committing these felonies.

GRACE: Hey, you know what, Ray? You brought up a good point. Hold on, Moss and Kessler. Back to Pinsky -- Dr. Drew joining us tonight. He`s about to kick off his own show here on HLN. Dr. Drew, he brought up a good point. Where`s the daddies? I don`t mean the "Teen Mom`s" sperm donor. I mean, where is their father to step in and say, You don`t talk to your mother like that, or I`m calling the cops?

PINSKY: Well, the one thing that we know about young people is they reproduce the traumas of their past. And so the dads often are absent, abandoning...

GRACE: So they`re gone.

PINSKY: ... of course, these young girls...

GRACE: Dr. Drew...

PINSKY: ... these young girls, and also themselves...

GRACE: ... please...

PINSKY: ... go after...

GRACE: Dr. Drew, don`t put the...

PINSKY: ... abandoning...

GRACE: ... perfume on the pig! The fathers are gone, aren`t they.

PINSKY: Yes.

GRACE: They left.

PINSKY: Oh, yes. Of course. Of course. That`s what I`m saying.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, you`re done! You`re done! You`re done!

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Give it up!

(CROSSTALK)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You invited me up here, Brittany! You`re such a stupid (EXPLETIVE DELETED)! You sit here and (INAUDIBLE) (EXPLETIVE DELETED)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was so aggressive towards her mother.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And now we have the fact that she`s fighting with someone.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Punch her, Jenelle!

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This isn`t a good thing.

(CROSSTALK)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: OK, I want to go back to Dr. Drew Pinsky. We are taking your calls live. Actually, Dr. Drew, sit tight. I`m going to take some calls. I`m sure they`re going to all want to talk to you.

Ashley in California. Hi, dear. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. I was just wondering, why does MTV condone this behavior?

GRACE: OK, I think what she said -- you`re cutting out on me, Ashley, but I`m pretty sure you said, Why does MTV condone the behavior? And Dr. Drew, no offense because you are connected to MTV, but why are they condoning the behavior?

PINSKY: Yes, I don`t -- I don`t represent MTV. But let`s -- I can`t say this strongly enough. It`s not about condoning the behavior. It`s about documenting the fact that these behaviors are what result when people have teen pregnancies, and it`s a cautionary tale. It`s not about condoning it at all. It`s the fact -- it`s supposed to represent what you shouldn`t be doing and how to avoid those kinds of situations...

GRACE: Well...

PINSKY: ... by making better choices (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: You know what, Dr. Drew? Hey, everybody, you`re seeing video of "Teen Mom 2" from MTV. It`s making me wonder. You know, I can`t even imagine the -- my twins are 3. And so far, they really haven`t done anything wrong at all. I mean, occasionally, I`ll take...

PINSKY: Yes. Nancy...

GRACE: Typically...

PINSKY: I have 18-year-old -- I have 18-year-old triplets, so I`ve been deep in teens.

GRACE: God bless you!

PINSKY: I understand it.

GRACE: What I`m saying is they never really do anything wrong. Occasionally, one will hit the other and I take them to timeout, which means I go sit on the floor with them in the other room and hold them while they struggle for, like, two minutes. That`s their big punishment. But I`m just imagining these mothers, these adult mothers, probably thought their little girls were perfect, too.

PINSKY: Of course.

GRACE: How did this happen? You see your daughter coming towards you, and suddenly, she punches you right in the nose. I mean, I cannot even imagine Lucy ever behaving that way!

PINSKY: Well, you`re asking very complicated questions about unregulated aggression and...

GRACE: Well, dummy it down for me!

PINSKY: ... severe mental health issues.

GRACE: Dummy it down for me!

PINSKY: Yes. I understand. Well, the fact is -- let me say something I started to say earlier, which is that the traumas of the past get reproduced in the present. When people come from broken families, when they have abandoning fathers, these young girls go after abandoning guys who leave them with teen -- as teen moms alone, and their lives unravel. And naturally, these kinds of things are what are the result.

GRACE: But Dr. Drew, when does my precious baby girl or baby boy turn into this monster? And why do I have to look down her shirt and see her bra? Why do I have to see that, to top it all off? But when do they turn into the monster, Dr. Drew? Please don`t say (INAUDIBLE)

PINSKY: Hopefully, Nancy, they will not. Hopefully, they will never turn into such monsters. But I agree with the gentleman you had on earlier who said you take aggressive action early. You create consequences. You bring the consequences to bear early.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is my business. You invited me up here, Brittney. You`re such a stupid bitch. You see (EXPLETIVE DELETED). Come on.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I didn`t do it. Brittney --

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hit her. Hit her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get off the property.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get her, Jenelle.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get her, Jenelle. Get her.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get her. You are getting ass --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sit up. Sit up.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let her go. Let her go.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Elbow her. Elbow her.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get her, Jenelle. Get it.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s what you get. You`re done. You`re done. Give it up. You`re done.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get out of my face. It`s my house, you know? You know what?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t give a flying (EXPLETIVE DELETED) if this is your house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Guess what? You know why I did this? Why I`m - - to get you out of my house so you can`t touch this baby.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you know I can punch you in your (EXPLETIVE DELETED) face right now. I swear to god, I`m about to, mom. I swear to (EXPLETIVE DELETED) god. You better back the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) up and get the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) inside the house. Get inside the house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You hit me, you`re going to go to jail.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get inside the house before I spit in your (EXPLETIVE DELETED) face.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Don`t you know --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get inside the house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I warned you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t (EXPLETIVE DELETED) --

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m tired of taking care of your baby.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t give (EXPLETIVE DELETED) what you think. He is my child. Not yours.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, then take care of him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t want to (EXPLETIVE DELETED) hear it. Obviously you`re not a good mother either because I`m the one who got pregnant at 16.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re the one that spread your (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, I did. With a guy I was with --

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HOST: That`s video from "Teen Mom 2" on MTV.

You know, I want to go to Caryn Stark, psychologist. There you see the adult girl. I guess it doesn`t make sense. She is behaving in all ways, functioning as an adult. Blaming her mother for her getting pregnant at 16.

CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, Nancy, that`s part of the vicious cycle, is this mother is screaming back with no effect at all on this girl. And I have to disagree a little bit with what Dr. Pinsky was saying. Because I feel like they are getting famous for the wrong reasons.

And what`s happening, even though I don`t care what the statistics are saying, there are still teens out there that are watching this and seeing this behavior and saying, well, gee, they are making money and they are getting famous. And look at this -- look at what they`re doing.

They have -- the parenting that they are showing is horrible. They show mothers who have no authority, are not setting limits. Don`t know how to handle their aggression. And the girl herself, when she is beating up the other girl, is out of control. You can see that she couldn`t stop unless somebody pulled her away. It`s so unhealthy for everybody concerned.

GRACE: Another question I`ve got, Alexis Tereszcuk, joining us from Radaronline.com out in L.A.

Alexis, I know that her mother has custody of her baby. She basically just handed the baby over with no interests in raising it whatsoever. Does she ever want custody back?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, REPORTER, RADAROLINE.COM: She does. In fact, Jenelle gave us an exclusive interview at Radaronline and she said she does want custody back. But she sees herself in 10 years --

GRACE: Whoa, put her up. Alexis.

TERESZCUK: Yes.

GRACE: An exclusive interview saying she wants the baby back? Take a look. Can you see this on your monitor?

TERESZCUK: Yes.

GRACE: You think some judge is going to get -- I will personally send this to the judge myself to make sure she does not get custody back.

TERESZCUK: Well, this was before this video. But she has said she wanted -- she sees herself in 10 years married to a guy and she wants to be a film editor. She also has tried to speak out in telling other teens do not do what I did. Don`t have sex or use protection. This is the worst mistake I ever could have made --

GRACE: She wants to be a film editor?

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: OK.

TERESZCUK: She does. That`s what he says.

GRACE: Has she gone back to school and gotten her high school degree?

TERESZCUK: She told us that she`s going to go back --

GRACE: So that would be no?

(CROSSTALK)

TERESZCUK: -- to community college near her hometown this summer.

GRACE: That would be no?

TERESZCUK: No.

GRACE: No GED, no nothing?

TERESZCUK: No.

GRACE: Is she working?

TERESZCUK: She does not have a job right now.

GRACE: OK.

TERESZCUK: She`s had a really tough time.

GRACE: So what is she doing in -- really? What is she doing in her effort to become a film editor besides fighting in the front yard with somebody else and going to jail?

TERESZCUK: I don`t think right now she`s doing anything, but she told us that she wants to go to college this summer.

GRACE: Really? OK.

TERESZCUK: Yes.

GRACE: Yes. Well, she was pulling your leg just like everybody else`s.

We are taking your calls. To Cyrilla in Connecticut. Hi, dear.

CYRILLA, CALLER FROM CONNECTICUT: Hi. Hi, Nancy. How are you doing?

GRACE: I`m good. What`s your question?

CYRILLA: My question is, now Jenelle has been verbally abusive in the past. And she`s obviously --

GRACE: It`s called a terroristic threat, Cyrilla.

CYRILLA: Really? She blew off the handle --

GRACE: She threatened to shoot somebody in the face.

CYRILLA: I know. What is this mother -- Jenelle`s mother doing, letting her even be involved in Jace`s life at this point? Why?

GRACE: You know that`s an interesting point.

To Amy Palmer, senior editor, "In Touch Weekly," is her visitation with her child court ordered? Is that how she gets -- keep seeing the baby?

AMY PALMER, SENIOR EDITOR, IN TOUCH WEEKLY: Well, it is. And, you know, she does want to have a role in her child`s life. Let`s not forget, she had this kid when she was 17 years old. She`s a baby herself. She`s figuring out her way.

I`m not condoning her behavior. It`s good that the baby is with the mother. But she does needs to have some interaction with her child.

GRACE: Really?

PALMER: She does.

GRACE: She just beat another girl face down in the dirt. Why should she be around her baby?

PALMER: Listen, I think that what she is doing is horrendous. But as a young girl, don`t you think that it`s important to have some sort of connection with your child? I mean maybe you can --

GRACE: No, I`m much more worried, Amy Palmer, about the effect it would have on the baby than the effect it would have on her. Every time she behaves in this manner.

This is a crime, Amy. And what she did to her mother is a terroristic threat. She threatened to kill her. That is a felony.

No, I don`t think she should be around the baby for her own good. I think that what`s most important is the baby`s own good. And that would be, to be as far away from this woman as possible.

To Donald Schweitzer, former detective, Sta. Ana PD, joining us tonight out of L.A.

Donald, thanks for being with us. When you tell someone and it`s captured on video, there`s documentation of it, that you will kill them, you will shoot them in the face, that is a terroristic threat. That`s a felony.

DONALD SCHWEITZER, FMR. DETECTIVE, SANTA ANA PD: It is. And the evidence doesn`t get better than that, Nancy. They have to arrest her. I`m wondering what the prosecutors are thinking out there as you are. The evidence is right there.

GRACE: Now hold on. Maybe -- Ellie, did she graduate from high school?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE CHIEF EDITORIAL PRODUCER: Yes, it`s my understanding that she did. And she actually did take some community college classes for film studies so she was taking classes to try to be a film editor.

GRACE: Was taking classes. And what happened with that?

JOSTAD: Well, you know, there are reports that she`s not currently enrolled right now. However, on her arrest report, she did mark her occupation as student.

GRACE: OK. So she`s lied on that as well. OK. Because she`s not a student.

I want to find out why she`s never been arrested. To the lawyers, Sue Moss, Randy Kessler, Raymond Giudice.

What about it, Sue Moss?

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY & CHILD ADVOCATE: What is this? "Teen Mom Fight Club?" I don`t care if she`s part of "Teen Mom 2" she`s got to get arrested for those punches she threw. The fact that she has made those threats to the mom and it was not followed up by the police, they were just inviting us -- felonies like this to continue.

If the police don`t step down on these people, even though the cameras are running, even though MTV is making all that money, then really, this kid doesn`t have a chance. And her baby certainly doesn`t have a chance.

GRACE: Kessler?

RANDY KESSLER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I want to go back to that custody issue. The truth of the matter is things change in custody. And there`s not (INAUDIBLE), in other words, you may have a custody decision today.

GRACE: Hey, you`re impressing me, Kessler, by throwing around Latin terms. OK? Don`t try it. Just get to the point.

KESSLER: All right. When she`s -- this girl is going to grow up and the baby is going to grow up. And they need to have a relationship. I agree with Dr. Stark.

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(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Elbow. Elbow her. Elbow her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Punch her, Jenelle.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get it. Get it.

(CROSSTALK)

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you just served? I`m going to (EXPLETIVE DELETED) kill her, dude.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m going to (EXPLETIVE DELETED) kill her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My mom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What did she do? She served something on you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) court order for me to go for custody battle for my mom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your mom needs to run and hide.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She better run and hide, dude, because I`m going to (EXPLETIVE DELETED) kill her. I swear to god. I`ll be right back.

(EXPLETIVE DELETED) you, you stupid, (EXPLETIVE DELETED). I hate you. So (EXPLETIVE DELETED) you. And you`re going to be served, mom.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He is 9 months old. You don`t ever take care of him. You`re out all the time. I told you. You will not going to do this.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re not going to get custody. Easy as that. Because I see that child every (EXPLETIVE DELETED) day. I make sure I see that child every day. Shut the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) up, stupid, (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That is video from "Teen Mom 2" off MTV.

We are taking your calls live. Yet another incident involving a teen mom star. But still she is not behind bars.

Out to the lines. To Danay in Ohio. Hi, Danay.

DANAY, CALLER FROM OHIO: Hi, Nancy. How are you?

GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?

DANAY: My question is, I`m a single mom also. And I want to know when are these teen moms going to grow up, be -- quit being selfish, be brought to justice. And when is MTV going to find moms that are actually serious and they are going to show the teens of America of how serious being a single mom is?

GRACE: You know it`s so hard. I know working and -- my husband helps me so much and raising the twins is hard. And I can`t even imagine being a single mom much less a single mom without an education, without a job.

And what about it, Caryn Stark? I`m just a lawyer. You`re the shrink.

STARK: Well, Nancy, it just seems to me that -- I mean it`s so hard when you`re a single mom and you`re an older single mom. And they are way too young to have to be dealing with this. And there`s such an emphasis here on being aggressive and -- and acting out. I mean that`s what they`re looking for on the show. They`re not looking for these docile teens who are so good.

GRACE: Also joining us tonight is Dr. Radha Mikkilineni, doctor of internal medicine out of Washington, D.C.

Doctor, thank you for being with us. As you see this girl`s head getting pounded into the dirt, what injuries could she sustained?

DR. RADHA MIKKILINENI, M.D., INTERNAL MEDICINE: Well, first of all, she`s lucky that she was on the ground, on the grass rather than the concrete sidewalk. The main injuries are going to be bruising. There could be skin lacerations. Bleeding. You know, it could have been far worse, obviously. But you know, you can get sprains as well. Broken bones.

I`m surprised she did not have any obvious signs of blood or bleeding. Nose bleed or possibly broken nose.

GRACE: Everyone, we are taking your calls. To Patrice in California. Hi, Patrice.

PATRICE, CALLER FROM CALIFORNIA: Hi. Thank you for taking my call. And I appreciate NANCY GRACE show and some of the other shows you have on your program.

GRACE: Thank you, Patrice. Thank you. What`s your question, dear?

PATRICE: Well, god bless you, Nancy, and your two children.

GRACE: Thank you.

PATRICE: First of all, I`d like to make a comment.

GRACE: OK.

PATRICE: MTV is making a profit out of glorifying people`s problems. And they are not offering solutions. And before they even have these young teenage mothers on the show, they should have them have parenting classes for the teen and the family. Because obviously they are from dysfunctional families.

And I also wanting to know who is caring for the child while they gather the information? Because if the teen parent has such a violent problem, what about the rest of the family?

And the other thing, there is too much profit without, you know -- without the solution.

GRACE: OK. To Alexis Tereszcuk, want to take a stab at some of those?

TERESZCUK: So the mom is taking care of -- Jenelle`s mother is taking care of the baby right now.

You know MTV has actually been very sensitive about dealing with issues. Dr. Drew has been on episodes where he counseled a young girl who was going to have an abortion. They really have tried to show the really devastating side effects of having -- not really just a side effect, the devastation when you`re having a child as a teenager.

But also, you know, these girls are not getting all of the money. $65,000 over a long amount of time doesn`t end up being money for them. What they`re getting money from are appearances. You know, things that -- you know, TV ad appearances and magazines.

And they`re really learning to work the fame, some of them, to their benefit. But not all of them are, and especially Jenelle, she has just not been able -- she was living in her car for a little while. And she absolutely hasn`t benefited at all from it. She`s not taking parenting classes either.

GRACE: Weigh in, Ellie.

JOSTAD: I talked to a source who is close to this case. And they told us that Jenelle Evans does plan to go to therapy. So there`s a little bit of good news in there.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. And I want to go now to the lawyers. Susan Moss, Randy Kessler, Raymond Giudice.

Ray, not only is there a definite terroristic threat -- and remember, Ray, hark it back to you days as a prosecutor.

RAY GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I will. I will.

GRACE: And I`m not asking you to weigh in right now as a defense lawyer.

GIUDICE: All right. I got you.

GRACE: But when you look somebody dead on in the face and it`s caught on video and you say I will f-ing blow your face off. I will shoot you. That is a felony. That is a terroristic threat.

GIUDICE: Absolutely.

GRACE: Now here in this brawl that you`re seeing, I understand that they got basically a citation. But for a terroristic threat and nothing was done? Even if the mother says she doesn`t want to prosecute that would mean nothing to me as a prosecutor. Because it`s not your duty to do what she said.

GIUDICE: That`s right.

GRACE: Your duty is to do the right thing.

GIUDICE: As a prosecutor, if you see a crime that`s committed, it is the state versus Miss Evans, not the mother. Let me also say something that Miss Evans is apparently on bond for some other legal matters. Typically, a condition of bond is that if you violate the law at any level while you`re on bond, those bonds can be revoked.

GRACE: Weigh in, Kessler.

KESSLER: I agree. It`s the state versus her. It`s not mother versus her. And the truth of the matter is, grandma is in a really tough position. She wants to protect this child from mom. And she wants mom to grow up and turned out to be OK. She should be left out of if. The state should prosecute mother, in my opinion.

GRACE: To the lines, Valerie in Virginia. Hi, Valerie.

VALERIE, CALLER FROM VIRGINIA: Hello. Thank you for taking my call.

GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?

VALERIE: Do we know if anyone is looking at Jenelle`s mother? As it seems there`s an awful lot of screaming going on like within the house on the show.

GRACE: What do you mean, looking at her? What about it?

VALERIE: Well, I know she has custody of the child. And is anyone looking into -- is there any concern with the amount of screaming?

GRACE: That`s a good question.

Amy Palmer, do they -- I assume they`re reviewing the situation at home, are they not?

PALMER: Yes, obviously they`re reviewing it. And they know that the mother is taking care of him right now. I mean this is such a hot case right now. And everybody wants to know what exactly is going on in the family. Especially because, look at what happened to Jenelle who did grew up in that house.

So it is the court`s responsibility to say, is it a safe environment? But when you look at the two choices, this is where the child has to end up.

GRACE: You know, Sue Moss, I want to go back to the terroristic threat on the mother. I don`t understand how police and prosecutors are getting around prosecuting that. You think I need to send them a tape?

MOSS: Absolutely. And why are they getting around all of the felonies? Every time she took her fist and put it in that other girl`s face, that should be a felony charge. That should be a battery. And there`s something really wrong with our system that protects these reality stars from what they should be facing.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sit up. Sit up.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let her go, let her go, let her go.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Elbow her. Elbow her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Elbow.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Punch her, Jenelle.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A 17-year-old honor student, wanted to buy a fancy sports car so bad she allegedly pistol whipped her own mother.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Goes to the car dealership, she`s all studied up, ready to buy. Well, she can`t get the loan. Calls mom for some help. Mom refuses. 17-year-old tells the dealer, we`ll be right back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mom was in a hurry, she told me, and she just wanted to sign the paperwork and go.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She goes home, allegedly hits her mom in the head with a pistol. Then forces her mom at gun point to drive back to the dealership.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Deputies say the mom was too scared to call 911 and waited until the next day to alert deputies.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Out to Joe Gomez, KTRH Radio, joining us out of Houston. I don`t get it. Accepted to Ivy League colleges then she pistol whips her mother for a car?

JOE GOMEZ, REPORTER, KTRH RADIO: That`s right, Nancy. You know by all accounts, this 17-year-old girl had the world at her feet. She was a perfect student at a prep school, she had been accepted to several Ivy League colleges. But the one thing she didn`t have, Nancy, was the perfect car.

So when she found her dream convertible at a dealership one day, she got upset that she didn`t qualify for it. And that despite an angry call to her mother, her mother wouldn`t co-sign for the car either.

So police say that this 17-year-old decided to take matters into her own hands. She went home and police say she took a .9 millimeter handgun and proceeded to pistol-whip her own mother then pointed the gun at her mother`s face and said, unless you co-sign for the car, you`re going to get it.

Her mother then obeys what her daughter says and goes to the dealership, co-signs for the car, and as she`s signing the paperwork for this car, Nancy, her 17-year-old daughter is luring over her shoulder with the gun in her purse.

The next day, she then proceeds to -- the next day she proceeds to call the police and of course police come in and they take away her daughter off to jail.

GRACE: To Valley Feeney with the "Naples Daily News." Where is the girl now?

VALLEY FEENEY, NAPLES DAILY NEWS: She`s still in juvenile detention. A judge ruled she had to stay there for 21 days, Nancy.

GRACE: Well, you know, Valley Feeney -- Valley, joining us from "Naples Daily News. That`s exactly where she belongs to be and she`s pretty lucky she hasn`t gone to adult jail because at her age she could be bound over as an adult.

Everyone, let`s stop and remember Marine Sergeant Andy Stevens, just 29, Toma, Wisconsin, killed Iraq. On a second tour, awarded the Purple Heart, Combat Action Ribbon, two Marine Corps Good Conduct Medals.

Loved pole vaulting, singing in the choir, snowboarding, computer games. Remembered for laughter, determination and blue eyes. Leaves behind parents Allen and Kay, stepparents Deb and John, sister, Amy.

Andy Stevens, American hero.

Thanks to our guests but especially to you. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.

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