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Grim Sleeper Suspected in More Murders; Long Island Serial Killer Sought; Rape Victim Speaks Out

Aired April 6, 2011 - 19:00:00   ET



JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, the war on women hits both coasts with the body count of serial killers in both New York and L.A. skyrocketing. Cops say new evidence in the house of L.A.`s Grim Sleeper could link him to the deaths or disappearances of at least 18 women, and there might be more.

On the East Coast, cops still hunting for Long Island`s Craigslist serial killer. Could there be a ninth victim there? What the hell is going on?

And tonight, in an ISSUES exclusive, I`ll talk live with a woman who says she was raped in college, but she says the school refused to do anything to punish the student she says attacked her or even investigate this horrific case.

Also, mind-blowing violence erupts at a baseball game. Two Dodgers fans attack a Giants fan after the game, beating him so badly he`s now in a coma. In an eerie twist, the victim`s cousin says he got a text minutes before the attack from the father of two, saying he was scared inside the stadium. When it`s too dangerous to enjoy America`s favorite pastime, is our culture of violence out of control?

Plus, superstar Ashley Judd reveals her dark and scary childhood secret. She says she was sexually assaulted several times growing up by different men, and she even accuses her dad of doing drugs. I`ll have all of her jaw droppers tonight. And I`m taking your calls.

ISSUES starts right now.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We hope for the best. We have the families sitting in the back of both of these young ladies, and we wish nothing more than to find them alive and well. But the circumstances are gloomy.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Breaking news tonight, bodies piling up on both U.S. coasts.

Even hardened LAPD cops are overwhelmed by the horrific crimes of L.A.`s accused serial killer, the Grim Sleeper. Police say Lonnie Franklin, already indicted for the murders of ten women, may have killed another eight women. Photos and I.D. cards of three more women have been found in a refrigerator in this guy`s garage. One of the woman was a high- school senior when she vanished six years ago.

Investigators fear the fridge photos are especially significant, because they were separate from a slew of other photos around the house. And cops say this guy shared those photos with his wife. Was she totally clueless?

Cops now suspect the Grim Sleeper was not asleep after all. The original theory that he was inactive for 13 long years might be dead wrong. Cops say two of these newer missing women vanished during that supposedly dormant period.

Meantime, on the East Coast, cops 40 miles outside New York City are frantically digging. So far eight bodies have been found. The search was originally sparked by the disappearance of Shannan Gilbert, a prostitute working through Craigslist. There she is right there. But as it turns out, none of the eight murdered women have turned out to be that missing 24-year-old woman.

Serial killers targeting women on both coasts. What the hell is going on, that there are mass killings of women in America`s two biggest metropolitan areas? Can you say war on women? Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS. That`s 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to Ed Miller, my old friend and investigative producer at "Extra." Ed, good to see you. What`s up with this creepy -- I mean creepy -- refrigerator news in L.A.`s Grim Sleeper case?

ED MILLER, "EXTRA": Boy, you were right about that. Creepy is the key word. This may be some sort of sick joke on his part, in other words, supposedly keeping his victims on ice.

We know he kept a batch of those photos, a separate batch of photos from all the others, in this refrigerator. And as we well know, serial killers love to keep souvenirs. So this could very well be his souvenir collection. Or these are women that he hoped to kill, and he obviously had photographed them and was stalking them. And in that particular case, then that would turn into a hit list or a wish list of women that he hoped to get.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, my God. Well, tonight, L.A. cops are zeroing in on two of the missing women because, again, evidence of them was found in the sicko`s fridge.

One, Rolenia Morris. She went missing six years ago. Cops found her driver`s license and photos of her in compromising positions in Franklin`s refrigerator. There she is, Rolenia Morris, right there. You see her name.

And then the other one, Ayellah Marshall. Ayellah Marshall, she was a high-school senior when she vanished six years ago, as well. Cops found Marshall`s high-school I.D. card in Franklin`s refrigerator.

Cops also found a photo in that fridge of a woman Franklin had already been accused of killing.

So Mike Brooks, HLN`s law enforcement analyst, the obvious implication, if your photo is in that fridge, it`s a very bad sign for you.

MIKE BROOKS, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: It`s really bad. Because we know at least one of these women is already dead. What happened to these other two?

But, Jane, consider this. He has over 180 -- 1-8-0 -- 180 pictures and videos that were also found at his house, and there are still 55 of the women of those 180 have yet to be identified. Could there be -- could there be more? Absolutely.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, my gosh. So you bring in my big issue. First of all, was the Grim Sleeper awake?

BROOKS: Yes, he was.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Lonnie Franklin is called the Grim Sleeper because of a supposed 13-year gap in his killing spree. He`s accused of murdering seven women in the mid-1980s and then killing three more in the mid-2000s.

Now, cops at first thought he seems asleep in the `90s. Well, now they`re finding out he may have been on this murder spree, they say, the whole time. Of the eight new cases, two of the women disappeared during this so-called sleeper period. And if he was killing all this time, and I`m going to throw this to Joey Jackson, defense attorney. Could we be talking about one of the worst serial killers in American history?

JOEY JACKSON, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: We certainly could, Jane, if there`s evidence. First, I`m with you. What the heck is going on here? But it`s important to note that at this point, there`s no physical evidence that can "X" (ph) him.

A lot of circumstantial evidence. It certainly doesn`t look good. But if you go back to Mike Brooks` point about the 180 photos out there, he didn`t kill 180 people. Maybe it is that he`s just a sicko. Right. We just don`t know. And he holds photographs.

But there`s no physical evidence. And I would hope that ultimately the killer is determined, whether it`s him or someone else.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I don`t know that there`s no physical evidence, Ed Miller, because I`ve been reading that Frank was arrested last summer because of a familial DNA search of prison inmates, and that`s this new technology where they can -- they can find the relative of somebody and through that relative, they find that person.

MILLER: You`re absolutely right. This is the first time in American history in a murder case that they`re going about it by using familial DNA. In other words, just to make sure everybody understands, when you hear DNA, you have to have to have DNA match to something. You just can`t have DNA. So they found DNA. But how are they going to match it?

So Lonnie`s DNA was not in the system. However, his son`s DNA was in the system. So they made a match that way, a computer match, and then they felt, well, if it matched the son, most likely it`s going to match the father. That`s what familial DNA is all about. You`re absolutely correct.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, let`s take a look at the other case on the other coast. And we even have a map showing that this is a coast-to-coast war on women phenomena.

In the Long Island Craigslist serial killer investigation, eight bodies have turned up. They`re thinking that there are more out there on this deserted beach stretch. One focus is 24-year-old Shannan Gilbert. Still no sign of her, but a neighbor had a chilling encounter with her just before she vanished in the same area. Check this out.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I haven`t slept in two nights. I could have saved that girl if I had known that something was going to happen. I could have kept her from getting out of here. That weighs heavily on your mind.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. That man says he rushed to call cops. When he came back, she was gone. Shannan reportedly screamed to that very same man, "I need help. They`re after me." She told somebody else, "Somebody is out to get me."

So I`ve got to ask Mike Brooks. The john she was with that night on Long Island has been cleared. In other words, he did a wrong thing by going to Craigslist for an escort, but he`s not a serial killer, according to cops.

BROOKS: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So does it sound like this Craigslist killer is somebody who used Craigslist escorts and then proceeded to stalk them, terrorizing them? Because there such a thing as a stalker phenomenon.

BROOKS: Absolutely. It could very be. And that`s why I`m saying I`ve been saying all along, Jane, there`s got to be some electronic evidence out there, either on the computer, cell phone records, something, because when you post on Craigslist, you have to get in touch with the person you`re trying to contact. And it`s either going to be done by computer, it`s going to be done by text, or it`s going to be done by telephone.

So it`s out there. It`s just a matter of law enforcement putting a link analysis, putting the pieces together and finding out what the commonality is, who this person is that is common among all of these women.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Obviously, looking at these photos, he targets a certain type. This -- the Long Island serial killer is targeting a white, young females that all work on Craigslist so far. We don`t know about the unidentified bodies. And so, obviously, there would be no way for him to know, just accidentally, that they advertised on Craigslist unless he has some connection with them.

She was out there with another guy for another reason. So if she`s running from somebody, it`s got to be somebody who has been tracking her in some way or the pimp. I wonder if they found the pimp of -- if there`s a connection to any of the pimps of all of these women.

We`re going to go to Susan in Texas. Your question or thought, ma`am?

CALLER: Hi, Jane. First of all, congratulations on your sobriety. But I`ve been thinking about Shannan and wondering why she would go running and screaming from the client`s house to a neighbor`s house if, in fact, that`s what happened, and if anybody talked with the client, investigated him or her or him, went in and out of the house to see, you know, what`s going on there. Could the client be the killer, simply because one of your guests...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. I -- I got your point, Susan. I want to go to Joey Jackson. They say it`s not the john. So what about the pump or what about somebody who had used this woman`s services in the past?

JACKSON: Well, you know what, Jane? This has been really baffling the police. And I think ultimately when they get maybe a physical evidence workup, because right now they don`t know, Jane, what the people stabbed, what they shot, what they cut. Once they find out a particular rhythm and pattern, they might be able to identify who this person is. But they have baffled completely the Suffolk County Police Department and the rest of us.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, it doesn`t make sense that it`s somebody from the neighborhood if the only commonality is that these women used Craigslist. But then again, some people suspect it`s somebody from the neighborhood who seems like an upstanding guy.

Thank you very much, gentlemen.

Coming up, is our culture of violence out of control? A brutal brawl at a baseball game leaves one fan so badly beaten he`s in a coma. This guy is a paramedic and a dad. Cops now hunting for the suspect, and they need your help.

We`re also taking your calls on this brutality in sports from the fans: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.

But first, in an ISSUES exclusive, I will talk one on one with a woman who says she was raped in college. She`s claiming the school did nothing to give her justice in what she`s calling a monstrous crime. You`re going to hear her story next.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have no doubt that he would have killed me. I mean, you know, there`s no way he could have let me go and trusted me to not tell on him. He would have had to kill me.




UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was a freshman at the University of Virginia, and I went to a fraternity party. I was given a drink that was apparently spiked with something, and I was actually gang raped, although we did not know that at the time. I recall one of the rapes. And I woke up tossed on a sofa in a sheet, naked, covered in blood.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, is there a rape crisis on American college campuses? That chilling scenario plays itself out all over the country, even in this day and age when woman should not have to live in fear.

I`m joined tonight in an ISSUES exclusive by a very brave young woman. Laura Dunn says she was 18 when she was raped by two teammates on her college rowing team. And she says when she went to report the alleged violent assault, he says the university dragged its beat and cops ultimately determined -- are you ready for this? -- that Laura willingly participated in the sexual activity.

Well, I`m going to let Laura tell you about her harrowing nightmare herself.

So Laura, welcome. You are one of my heroes for speaking out, because so many rapes are unreported; because the women are afraid to speak out, because they`re afraid they`re going to be blamed. You have a lot of courage for telling your story. Tell us what you say happened to you.

LAURA DUNN, RAPE VICTIM: Well, my freshman year at the University of Wisconsin, I was sexually assaulted by two men on the crew team which I was a member of. I trusted them. I was at a party. They offered to walk me to a different party. It was only my second time drinking and I was exceedingly drunk.

And when we left that party we were heading the wrong direction. I kind of asked why we were heading that way. They said they just needed to stop by an apartment. And what they did was they took me to one of their apartments, and they sexually assaulted me as I passed in and out of consciousness. And the rape did not -- did not cease even when I came to and demanded that it stopped.

And it was a horrific experience. And it took me a long time to come forward, and when I did I found the university that was at first very comforting but ultimately not willing to find justice in my case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, again, I applaud you for having the courage to speak out because this is an issue that we have to talk about in America. It`s happening all over the place. And so many women -- the majority of rapes are not reported because women are afraid to speak out, because they`re afraid they`re going to be attacked.

ISSUES reached out to the University of Wisconsin, where Laura`s alleged attack took place. They sent us a statement that reads in part, quote, "There was no finding or other recommendation made by the Department of Education`s Office of Civil Rights requiring any changes to our internal processes as a result of this case. Should a victim decide to come forward to report a sexual assault to a university official, our overarching principle is that her or his safety and wishes is honored throughout the process. We encourage reporting. We publicize the number of reports we receive each year."

So essentially they`re exonerating themself, Laura. What do you say to that?

DUNN: Well, first off, I was very disappointed that the Office of Civil Rights did not support my complaints against the University of Wisconsin. They took well over nine months to investigate this case.

And when I say investigate, I use that term very loosely. They didn`t even ask any witnesses other than myself and one of the two men that had assaulted me what happened. And I don`t think that`s an investigation.

Additionally, there was a no-contact directive. One of the men still on campus was not supposed to contact me, and he actually threatened me in public. The university just said, you know, "It was your fault. You should have gone away from him. You shouldn`t have talked to them." And they just completely reduced blame.

So I find it ironic that they say safety is their priority when they didn`t seem to think that at the time that I was threatened.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, you are so articulate, and you`re telling your story so well. I do have to ask you this one question. You didn`t -- according to what I`ve read, you didn`t report anything to campus authorities for more than a year. Can you explain that?

DUNN: Yes, I can. I mean, the morning afterwards, I was in complete shock. And I really blamed myself. I was confused. It was -- it was a loss of my virginity. That was my first sexual experience. And it was horrific. And I had been waiting. I had a boyfriend for four years, and I thought I was going to marry him. So the reality of it was just a little too much for me.

And I spoke to the men, because they were on my crew team. I spoke to them and I asked them, "Please never say anything about this." And I blamed myself for being drunk. And after I`d say about nine months, I had a great organization, PAVE, Promoting Awareness Victim Empowerment, speak in a class of mine, and they talked about acquaintance rape and all kinds of sexual assault. And I realized at that moment what happened to me was a crime. It`s not my fault and just because I knew them didn`t make them -- you know, did not excuse them for what they did.

So I didn`t think at that time there was anything I could do. And the reason it took me a whole year is I didn`t know the university had a process for me to step forward and ask for my safety, my protection, and for justice.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, hang on. We`re just starting to get your story. You`re an amazingly articulate women.

DUNN: Thank you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Also up next, senseless violence breaks out at a baseball game. A fan is in a coma tonight. Can you believe that?



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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No means yes! Yes means (EXPLETIVE DELETED)! No means yes! Yes means (EXPLETIVE DELETED)! No means yes! Yes means (EXPLETIVE DELETED)!


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Here`s my big issue. We need an attitude adjustment on American campuses. Who can forget that outrageously offensive fraternity chant on the campus of Yale University, no less? OK. Members of the Yale University fraternity did apologize in the wake of the scandal over that. We can`t even tell you -- "No means yes, yes means bleep." We can`t tell you what bleep means but you can figure it out, I`m sure.

But it wasn`t enough to stop a federal investigation into a so-called sexually hostile environment on Yale`s campus. OK?

The year before, by the way, another frat office held up signs at the women`s center that read, "We love sluts."

So I want to go out to Diane Rosenfield, a lecturer at Harvard Law School, another Ivy League School. What is going on on American campuses that men are displaying such a horrific attitude toward women?


VELEZ-MITCHELL: What`s going on?

ROSENFIELD: First I need to disclose that I have worked with a Yale student on the filing of the complaint.


ROSENFIELD: And I think what`s going on is a sexual culture that is extremely tolerant of very hostile attitudes towards women. And we have pimp and ho parties and constant designation of women as hos. And -- and it`s a toxic culture right now on college campuses.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, here on ISSUES, we talked about another horrific case of a female coed who actually committed suicide after she was allegedly raped in a dorm. Check out this video obtained by ABC News we ran during an episode last year. Megan Wright, her family sued the college campus, claiming students were openly consuming alcohol, that three men took towards raping her in her room and that they were high-fiving each other at various times during the assault. This is a horror story. That woman deceased now, unable to speak to for herself.

But Diane, I`ve got to ask you, what can we do about this? I mean, this is so disturbing in the 21st century.

ROSENFIELD: This -- this is an area where we actually can make real progress. And the Obama administration just this week, Vice President Biden announced new guidance to schools on sexual violence.

And it`s the first time in history that they`ve focused on sexual violence on campuses and instructed schools and clarified the rules on what schools have to do when they find out that there`s a hostile environment on campus and recognizing that sexual violence is part of a hostile environment and recognizing that this is a civil rights matter. It`s not just a criminal matter but a civil rights matter, and schools cannot escape their responsibility even if there`s a criminal investigation going on.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, Laura -- Laura Dunn, you ultimately said that it took you a while to admit to yourself or to acknowledge to yourself that a crime had occurred. If you could do it all over again, would you have reported it the next day?

DUNN: I mean, if I could do it all over again, I`d wish that I had been educated. I mean, I didn`t even know there were rape kits. I didn`t know who to tell. My -- my father is a pastor. It was a huge thing to even admit that, having been a virgin, I wasn`t anymore. I don`t -- I don`t know if I would have done it differently, even if I had the knowledge, but I wish I would have at least had the knowledge. I could have at least thought about it and made a real choice.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We want you to come back. You are a hero. You are so articulate. I -- I am so happy that you`re talking and speaking out for other women.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mind-blowing violence erupts at a baseball game. Two Dodgers fans attacked a Giants fan after the game, beating him so badly he`s now in a coma.

In an eerie twist, the victim`s cousin says he got a text minutes before the attack from the father of two saying he was afraid inside the stadium. When it`s too dangerous to enjoy America`s favorite pastime is our culture of violence out of control?

Plus, superstar Ashley Judd reveals her dark and scary childhood secrets. She says she was sexually assaulted several times growing up by different men. And she even accuses her dad of doing drugs. I will have all of her jaw-droppers tonight and I`m taking your calls.

But first, Casey Anthony back in court today: looking a little worse for wear, her defense attorneys desperately trying to come up with an innocent explanation for chloroform in the trunk of her car. Chloroform crucial, prosecutors likely to argue Casey knocked her daughter out with chloroform, murdering her so she could go out partying.

I have to tell, we`re going after the author of this amazing book, "Mommy`s Little Girl: Casey Anthony and her daughter Caylee`s tragic fate", author Diane Fanning. I tried to put this book down and I couldn`t. And I read it in one sitting this past weekend.

Why do you think, and you make a case here that it`s going to be very hard to prove reasonable doubt by this defense team?

DIANE FANNING, AUTHOR, "MOMMY`S LITTLE GIRL": I think because of Casey`s lies. That`s the bottom line of the whole thing. If she was a mother who cared about her child, she wouldn`t have started lying. If she had a child who was really missing, she would have reported her missing. But instead she just partied.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, one of the points you make in your book is she wasn`t just lying to cops. For months previous, she had been essentially living a double life, living a lie, telling everybody she knew she had this job at Universal and that she had this nanny and it was really a double life, was it not, Diane?

FANNING: She was living a double life if not a triple life. She told so many stories that weren`t true. I don`t know how she kept all the versions straight.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`ve got to say, I want to congratulate you on your book. We`re going to have you back because we`re going to be covering Casey Anthony in depth. And you have done more research than anybody, aside from maybe the prosecution and the defense team. Thank you so much, Diane.

All right. We`re going to something else now. Check this out. Tonight --


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two guys came out of know where both of them pushed Brian from behind. He never saw them coming. And Brian fell forward and hit his head on the concrete and was immediately knocked unconscious. The swelling just would not go down so they had to remove part of the skull.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, an explosion of brutality at a Major League Baseball game leaves a man clinging to life. Doctors now say Brian Stow may have permanent brain damage from a ruthless vicious attack right outside Dodgers stadium.

The Giants fan was ambushed, his skull bashed in by two Dodgers fans in the parking lot Friday night. These are composite sketches you`re about see of the suspects. Police say they were completely unprovoked. The two thugs knocked Brian unconscious and then continued pounding on him. It happened as a huge crowd was pouring out of the stadium.

Police think as many as a hundred people saw the attack. They are desperate for the witnesses to come forward. Why didn`t anybody help?


DETECTIVE P.J. MORRIS, LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT: If there`s anybody out there (INAUDIBLE), I plea with them to help us get these brutal, cowardly predators off the street and bring them to justice.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to go straight out to Lisa Guerrero. Lisa, chief investigative correspondent for "Inside Edition" you were at the game. Minutes before the attack, Brian Texted his cousin, he was scared out of his mind. What did you see?

LISA GUERRERO, CHIEF INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT, "INSIDE EDITION": Well, as usual, during a Giants-Dodgers series, the atmosphere was charged, it was chippy (ph). There`s a lot of animosity between these two teams. And of course, this was opening day.

Before the game I noticed that Dodgers fans were doing their usual act at yelling at anybody that walked by in a Giants` jersey and that`s to be expected. But I did hear a lot more obscenities in the stands during the game and before the game than I usually hear and even directed to a lot of women that I saw with Giants jersey so I was a little surprised. And I also thought to myself, where are the security guards?

Before the game, while we were waiting to pick up our tickets, I was looking around while these fans were getting harassed and I thought where are the security guards? I couldn`t believe it. During the game, at the very beginning of the game, Giants fans had hired a plane to ride over Dodgers Stadium with the championship banner over it.

Of course, the Dodgers fans were booing that. So, yes, it was an electric atmosphere, it was a chippy (ph) atmosphere but you kind of expect that with the Giants-Dodgers series. But you don`t expect violence after a game.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: What you don`t expect, which is my big issue, rabid fans. These guys were ticked off about the game, their team won. It`s like they picked Brian out of the crowd and beat him up just for the thrill of it.

Listen to his mother. This is scary.


A. STOW: It`s just been really hard. It`s been really hard. To think that he came for a game, his first Dodgers stadium game and then to be attacked senselessly by two thugs that were out to make a name for themselves. What is sad was that there was a car with a girl and a child in it.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Unbelievable. Carlos Diaz, you`ve seen a lot of these games. Team loyalty used to be about admiration. Why has it gotten so extreme that because this guy was wearing regalia from the opposing team he is beaten into a coma.

DIAZ: I mean it`s kind of like it`s an unwritten code, that if you go to a game with a rival team, you almost can`t wear your favorite team`s jersey these days. And it`s sickening is what it is. First off Major League Baseball made a huge mistake in the process of having the world champion, Giants, open their season at their arch rival Dodgers. That`s just a mistake right there. There`s going to be hell to pay right there.

GUERRERO: That`s not a mistake.

DIAZ: But here`s the thing. Here`s the thing. Fans need to get away from this barbaric thought of, "I`ve got to protect my team`s pride at any cost." And one other thing, we`re living in the 21st century. We need -- and Jane you said this before -- we need high definition cameras in all the parking lots of all of these places where there is tailgating, where there`s drinking going on in the parking lots. We need to have visual proof.

The cameras that were at Dodgers` stadium, it`s too dark. You can`t see these guys beating up these guys.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What is the point of having cameras if you can`t see it?

Lisa Guerrero, I`m wondering, why didn`t anybody help? A hundred witnesses and they can`t find the witnesses and nobody stepped in?


VELEZ-MITCHELL: I mean there`s got to be a lot of big guys there. Why didn`t some big guy step in and say, "Hey, watch out, you`re crossing the line here?"

GUERRERO: Correct. And again where is the security? What is troubling is that the Dodgers` owner, Frank McCourt said after the incident that he wasn`t even planning to increase security.


GUERRERO: To me that`s quite insensitive and, I know, it`s outrageous. So there are two issues here, Jane, in my opinion. Number one, curb alcohol consumption before, during, and after the game; and, two, increase security during, before, and after the game. These events will be fewer and far between if we can curb alcohol and increase security.

And why not arm the security inside the stadium with breathalyzer tests? If you see fans that seem to be drunk, have them blow into a test. If they are above the legal limit, throw them out of the stadium. Problem solved.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I wish you were running the stadium. Unlike Friday`s beating, a lot of violence in sports obviously is caught on camera and watched by millions of people repeatedly. Remember this 2002 a dad and his 15-year-old son jumped onto the field and they attacked the Kansas City Royals coach. He suffered hearing loss. Father and son, well they didn`t -- they got probation.

What message does that send when they are not even locked up after this vicious beating?

Texas, Jessica, your question or thought.

JESSICA, TEXAS (via telephone): Yes. I wanted to comment about the violence. Alcohol plays a lot into this. Why don`t they just cut alcohol off completely? This is supposed to be family oriented


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Carlos doesn`t want the alcohol cut off.

DIAZ: No. It`s not that I don`t like it. I can go to a ball game and have a coke zero. I`m cool with that. They will never cut out alcohol from sporting events. You see Miller Light, Budweiser -- you see all these, you know, the logos everywhere. It is a huge, probably the biggest money maker at ballparks, whether it`s a baseball park, football stadium, basketball arena, hockey arena. That`s where the money is coming from, the alcohol sales.

But what I`m saying with the high definition cameras is that you`ll be able to see what is going on in the parking lot better than you have now with these cameras that are archaic.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It doesn`t make any sense. This is Los Angeles; this is the center of the universe. In London they have cameras everywhere that are recording everything. Here we have two guys who beat up this guy into a coma in front of a hundred people, nobody helps, and they don`t have any video of it. And the parking lot is littered with alcohol bottles.

I`m going to give you the last word, Lisa Guerrero.

GUERRERO: Well, first of all, let`s just not point the finger at Dodgers` fans. This is just a baseball problem it`s not an L.A. problem. This is a sports problem.

Last night after a Chicago Bulls game, a drunk fan spit on and yelled obscenities to a Phoenix Suns player while he was exiting the court. It happens across the country. We need to limit alcohol consumption and we need to increase security at every ball park and every stadium in the country seriously.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You are so right. When I was covering a sports game, I remember years ago, they poured beer on me. At the time I liked it because I hadn`t gotten sober yet but not anymore.

All right. Lisa, Carlos, thanks a lot.

A-list actress Ashley Judd spills her dark, scary childhood secrets. You will not believe what she`s saying. It`s about sex, it`s about drug, and yes, rock and roll.


ASHLEY JUDD, ACTRESS: I just had the opportunity recently to take some of that behavior change and that positive upbeat message about growth and apply it to myself. I got into this work initially as a teenager because I had a lot of anger and now I just know more about where my anger came from.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Call me, 1-877-JVM-SAYS. You should give us your opinion on Ashley Judd`s toxic secrets being revealed, next.



JUDD: I became really fired up about telling the truth on behalf of disempowered populations but did not necessarily tell all of my truth. And so I put the cart before the horse, you know, in my journey as an activist and as someone who`s on her own personal soul-searching journey has not been linear.

I did a lot of that other work first. And then I came back to myself and I said I actually have the right to tell my own truth, too.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: She`s a gorgeous, successful Hollywood superstar with a country music family known around the world. But under the surface, Ashley Judd is no exception to pain in her personal life.

In a shocking and I mean shocking new memoir, "All that is Bitter and Sweet", this superstar reveals a troubled childhood filled with early life`s horror, neglect, sexual abuse by various men and thoughts of suicide. Ashley Judd finally opening up about the suffering that led to her work as a dedicated activist.

Listen to this from ABC`s "The View".


JUDD: Sexual assault is incredibly common in this country and in fact every two seconds a girl or a woman is sexually aggressed up. And that`s one of the reasons why I talk about it. I was no exception.

And the shame and the keeping ourselves sick through secretiveness is something that we all, I think, need to have the courage to undo.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: This brave woman describes in vivid, shocking detail how her famous family was brimming with love but also filled with trauma, abandonment, addiction and shame.

Straight out to Melanie Bromley, West Coast bureau chief of "Us Weekly"; Melanie, what are the bombshells in this memoir?

MELANIE BROMLEY, WEST COAST BUREAU CHIEF, "US WEEKLY": Well, it`s full of tem actually and it`s very, very sad. One of them she talks about how she was sexually abused in a pizza parlor by an old man. She also talks about neglect and how she was left alone for long periods of time, how she went to 13 different schools in 13 years.

And just, you know, it`s just a very sad picture and an image that she gives us of her childhood, of a childhood that she says her family has previously made out to be fun but actually the reality was far from fun for her.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So she was raped, according to her, by several men? Was there incest as well?

BROMLEY: Well, she talks about a number of different occasions, actually, and it`s just very, very sad. She talks about a lot of drugs in the house. She says that her house was constantly full of marijuana and that her mother at one time dated a known heroin addict. So there`s a lot of things in this memoir that are incredibly sad.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, listen to what Ashley had to say on NBC`s "Today" about her sexual abuse. Check this out. Shocking.


JUDD: It`s not so much that I had repressed it, it`s that I didn`t know because that`s what sexual predators do. They groom their victims and psychologically manipulate.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: So this happens to a lot of young children and girls. Predators put their shame on the victim, manipulate them, as Ashley says.

We`re so delighted to have Dr. Drew with us, host of HLN`s new show, "DR. DREW". She`s describing getting over enough shame to talk about this publicly and when you`re a superstar that takes a lot of guts. What do you think she`s -- her process was to get to the point where she could talk about the sexual abuse?

DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST, "DR. DREW": Well, she talks like someone who`s had a good deal of treatment. And it`s very difficult to talk about on your own. It`s essentially impossible.

A child who`s been sexually abused walls that part of themselves off, denies it, doesn`t get in touch with it, and is certainly isn`t going to show it to somebody else and certainly not a large audience.

But once they begin to begin to integrate that part of themselves into who they are and realize they were a child who was severely victimized, then an empowering move often is to come to the aid of other people to speak on behalf of other people who suffered from this -- by the way, terribly, terribly common problem.

It`s at the point in our society in America today where if somebody has a bad enough addiction that they need to see me, there`s virtually 100 percent probability of childhood trauma and sexual trauma is probably the most common.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, I want to talk about what she says about her mother and the man that her mom was with. Mom and pop were wildly sexually inappropriate in front of her and her sister. They would have to listen to a lot of loud sex. She calls that covert sexual abuse. I`ve also heard it referred to as emotional incest.

Dr. Drew, tell us about that. You don`t have to touch someone to traumatize them sexually, right?

DR. PINSKY: That is absolutely right. When boundaries are violated and kids are exposed to inappropriate sexual experiences, material, pornography, the experiences of their parents, that is abusive and traumatizing to kids. It literally shatters the upper limits of their brain`s to tolerate it and causes what we call trauma and they then become disregulated and they tend to re-enact those traumas over and over again in their adult lives and are prone to things like addiction.

I want to point one other thing out too Jane, which is I am the only world`s published literature on celebrities and in my research I`ve shown very clearly that celebrities have a much higher incidence of this sorts of childhood than you might expect. It`s very, very common.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: More on the other side, Dr. Drew.



JUDD: All my life we`ve been really interested in telling the truth. And there were a lot of secrets in our family and part of what I`ve recently learned is that we`re only as sick as our secrets.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Recovery talk there, a shocking new memoir from Ashley Judd filled with allegations involving sex as well as drug abuse. Ashley claims there was always pot in her house and her dad was prone to taking hallucinogenics. Her mother`s next boyfriend, she say, was a full blown heroin addict.

Dr. Drew, how does watching a parent or somebody a parent is with doing drugs affect them growing up?

DR. PINSKY: Well, it makes the child -- obviously it`s a bad model. I don`t think that needs to be stated explicitly. But more importantly it makes the child feel helpless because a person who is on drugs is out of control. Even if it`s a mild sedative or something.

If it`s a mom, say, she`s not available for the child emotionally the way she needs to be so they either feel abandoned, helpless, out of control and scared and ultimately and really this is the experience that shatters brain mechanisms, terror. Terror is the one experience that is so unhealthy for kids. And to have somebody around out of control, threatening, doing scary drugs, that`s bad news for a kid.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, I want to talk a little bit about Ashley`s sister, Wynonna. She has had her share of problems. I think we all remember back in 2003 she was arrested for drunk driving in Tennessee and there was this infamous video she blew more than twice the legal limit on a breathalyzer.

Now recently, Wynonna and her mom who will star in a new documentary series together told people that therapy healed their relationship. I think they may have even gone into therapy together. I don`t know.

Dr. Drew, that sounds like enmeshment to me given that the parental units might be part of the problem that Wynonna`s having in the first place.

DR. PINSKY: Yes. That clearly is a sign of enmeshment that idea that we do everything together, we share everything and you want to disentangle that stuff.

But let`s give them a little bit of a break. Maybe they have both been in recovery. We hear Ashley here talking some codes that both you and I recognize, "sick as your secret", that kind of stuff. So perhaps people are in addition to dealing with their relationships are dealing with their own individual mental health issues. We can only hope so.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And I`ve got a big issue for you. This is one of my favorite: looking good on the outside. Ashley says "I really look good on the outside" -- and boy did she look good -- "but I was a mess inside." And that`s one of the things that I learned in 12 steps is to never compare yourself, your insides with somebody else`s outsides.

This woman is so beautiful, she is stunning, she is successful, she`s articulate, she`s a good person. How could we imagine she`s had all these problems? It blows some people`s minds.

DR. PINSKY: I think that is an issue -- I think that`s a bias we have in our culture that if people look good, talk good and seem beautiful and have everything we expect them to feel good about that. When in fact the reality is, Jane, as you and I well know, that does very little for people`s happiness and certainly very little for their mental health. And it really is, ultimately and this I hope is one of Ashley`s point it`s about being connected to yourself; having the ability to understand your life narrative and maintain healthy relationships. The important people in your life are really what establish people`s well-being and happiness.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I think that the best thing about this is apparently Ashley`s famous mother is not really upset with this memoir, and is not attacking her and is saying she loves her daughter. So she took this huge risk and, in fact, it paid off because I would be terrified to confront my family in that way and she did.

DR. PINSKY: Jane, if you remember, what happened to --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Right on the other side, Dr. Drew.



VELEZ-MITCHELL: Dr. Drew, you were making an important point, continue.

DR. PINSKY: One quick thing. I just wanted to say, it didn`t work out so well for Mackenzie Phillips who put out some similar reveals. So I hope Ashley will support Mackenzie who`s out there alone without the support of her family.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And Mackenzie was very, very brave because she had shocking, really shocking things to say about her family.

Dr. Drew, congratulations on your new show. It is fabulous. What have you got coming up tonight at 9:00?

DR. PINSKY: We have plastic surgery gone bad; that`s been in the news lately. We got extreme parenting. Is humiliating kids an ok thing to do? I think not. And we have a very free-wheeling conversation with a group of women about what`s going on with women and what men and women need to know about this. It`s a very intense free-wheeling conversation. Adult conversation, let`s say.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s what we need right here on HLN, adult conversation. I know America wants to hear it and once again, congrats.

Nancy Grace up next.