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Navy SEALS Kill Bin Laden; More Sony Accounts Compromised; Can The U.S. Now Trust Pakistan?; Protecting Your Money From Attack; President Watches Bin Laden Raid from Situation Room; Obama Honors the National Teacher of the Year; Ads That Know Who You Are; Will the White House Release Photos of the Operation?

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RANDI KAYE, CNN ANCHOR: Hi there, Drew. Thank you.

With the death of Osama bin Laden, the U.S. government is moving to the next objective, gaining more intelligence about al Qaeda. Here's a look inside that compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. The place where the U.S. Navy SEAL Team Six took out the mastermind of 9/11.

Also inside the mansion were the cache of computers, more than 100 storage devices filled with DVDs, disks and thumb drives. Now, it's up to the intelligence community to sort it all out to see exactly what is there. To see if they now have critical operational secrets on al Qaeda.

We are also learning more about the operation itself. Check out this animation. You see the two helicopters coming in? One crashed and was scuttled by the SEAL team. The Navy SEALs then headed up to the third floor, under heavy fire, where they shot Osama Bin Laden, once in the head, once in the chest. There apparently are pictures of this whole thing.

CNN has learned that photos were taken of the operation, showing all of those killed inside. There are pictures of Bin Laden's body after it was taken to Afghanistan. And photos of the burial at sea. Right now, the White House isn't saying if they plan to release any of those pictures.

The U.S. says Pakistan had no role in the actual operation, but the Pakistani foreign ministry says their information helped the U.S. find Bin Laden. They're also expressing concerns over the fact that the U.S. did not tell Pakistan they were coming. In an interview with "Time" magazine, Leon Panetta says there was concern Pakistan might warn the targets.

CNN's senior international correspondent Nic Robertson is live in Abbottabad, Pakistan for our "Two At The Top."

Nic, what do you make of the Pakistani comments?

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: They have to deny everything. I mean, they have to deny that they didn't know where he was, they have to deny they weren't involved. Why do they have to deny they knew where he was? Because obviously, they should have arrested him. They should have brought him to justice if they knew where he was.

Why do they have to deny they were involved? Because if they said that they were heavily involved in the actual boots on the ground operation here, they would very likely be a backlash against the Pakistani military and security forces. There may still yet be that backlash by Taliban and by al Qaeda elements in the country. And the government is very worried about that sort of backlash which is why they're sort of playing it down.

And in an op-ed in "The Washington Post" by President Zardari, one of the things he said very clearly at the top is, well, he's dead now, meaning Bin Laden, and later on in the article, it's time to move on.

The government here really is trying to put this behind them, and make the best of it, and hope that they don't draw too much attention for whatever involvement and knowledge they had -- Randi.

KAYE: And Nic, what have you been able to see of this compound in question? Is there a lot of security around it now? Are neighbors milling about? Can you set the scene there?

ROBERTSON: It's really interesting, you walk across the fields, as we did this afternoon, and it's perhaps 50 yards away from the nearest house, a couple of hundred yards away from a whole row of houses, and it's farmers' fields, cabbages planted right up to the wall of his compound, heavy concrete wall. And when I reach my hand up the side of it, it barely goes not even halfway up the side of the wall.

What was interesting as well, peeping and looking through a tiny gap in one of the gates that was sealed and secured by police officers there, perhaps a couple dozen of them around the whole compound, there didn't appear to be a huge amount of damage. I was expecting to see bullet pockmarks on the walls, perhaps signs of explosions in the walls of the building.

The main building itself looked relatively undamaged, even when we viewed over from neighboring houses. So clearly, the firefight and the intensity of the fight that took place there must have taken place inside the building. At least that's what we can see from looking in from the outside at the moment -- Randi.

KAYE: Which really plays into, I guess, the decision of whether or not to bomb it or whether or not to go inside, and they certainly chose to go inside.

So, all right, Nic, thank you. Good to talk with you.

President Obama will travel to ground zero Thursday to meet with families of 9/11 victims. We've seen celebrations and solemn reflection at the site since Bin Laden's death was announced, but it's possible that no one summed up the feelings better than "Daily Show" host Jon Stewart. It is today's "Sound Effect."

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) JON STEWART, HOST, COMEDY CENTRAL'S "THE DAILY SHOW WITH JON STEWART": Last night was a good night for me, and not just for New York or D.C. or America, but for human people. The face -- the face of the Arab world in America's eyes for too long has been Bin Laden. And now it is not. Now the face is only the young people in Egypt and Tunisia and all of the Middle Eastern countries around the world that Freedom rises up. Al Qaeda's opportunity is gone.


KAYE: More developments related to the death of Osama Bin Laden on the way, but there is some other news to tell you about as well right now.

British police say they arrested five terror suspects near a nuclear plant in northeastern England. All five men are from London and are in their 20s. No charges have been filed yet and police are not saying exactly why they were arrested. Even though the arrest took place one day after the death of Osama Bin Laden, police say there's no evidence of any connection.

That's when it looked and sounded like as the Army Corps of Engineers blew up a levee on the Mississippi River in southeast Missouri. They were trying to save the nearby city of Cairo, Illinois by diverting floodwaters into farms. Farmers had opposed breaching the levee, arguing that silt from the river would cause long-lasting damage to their land. Missouri asked the supreme court to block the move, but the court refused to intervene.

After a worried search in an Arkansas national forest, six missing boy scouts and their two leaders have been found safe and in good condition. The scouts from Lafayette (ph), Louisiana failed to return from a weekend camping trip. They were spotted today by a National Guard helicopter and air-lifted to safety.

The security breach at Sony was worse than originally thought, it turns out. Just last week, Sony confirmed that hackers had gained access to personal information from as many as 77 million PlayStations and Curiosity Media streaming accounts.

Now, it's disclosed that the breach also affected nearly 25 million Sony online entertainment accounts. Sony online entertainment makes multi-player games, including EverQuest, DC Universe Online, and Free Rounds, it went offline yesterday. PlayStation and Curiosity, meanwhile, have been offline now for almost two weeks. No word on when service will resume.

A burning question at the White House and on Capitol Hill in the aftermath of the killing of Bin Laden. Can Pakistan be trusted? An in-depth look at a fragile alliance in the fight against terror, right after this.


KAYE: In Washington, the one question people are asking right now, how could Pakistan not know that Osama Bin Laden was holed up in a huge compound in the Pakistani town of Abbottabad. It's the home to Pakistani Military Academy, and to both active duty and former members of the military. President Obama's senior advisor and counter terrorist minced no words on the question.


JOHN BRENNAN, WHITE HOUSE SENIOR ADVISOR ON COUNTERTERRORISM: I think it's inconceivable that Bin Laden did not have a support system in the country that allowed him to remain there for an extended period of time.


KAYE: The Pakistani government insists it had no idea that Bin Laden was hiding out there. For many, this raises the question, can the U.S. now trust Pakistan?

The trust question goes both ways and explains why the relationship has been fragile at best. Here's why. Pakistan believes the U.S. tilted toward India during their 1971 war. In the late '70s, president Carter cracked down on Islamabad because of alleged human rights abuses and nuclear proliferation.

And in the '90s, the U.S.-imposed sanctions, again due to Pakistan's nuclear program. Another sore point, take a look at this map. It shows the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. The northwestern area on the Pakistan side is a vast tribal region that serves as a safe haven of sorts for the Taliban.

Another sore point, Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence, otherwise known as ISI, during the Soviet war, it funneled most of the money and weapons for the Musha Hadin to the most fundamentalist groups. It's also accused of aiding terror attacks in India. It also supported the rise of the Taliban after the Soviet defeat back in 1989. And Washington says it continues to support the Taliban today.

Joining us now is former U.S. ambassador to Pakistan, Wendy Chamberlain. Ambassador, thanks for taking the time to talk with us today. Do you think Pakistan was protecting Bin Laden and taking billions of dollars from the U.S. at the very same time?

WENDY CHAMBERLIN, FORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR TO PAKISTAN: Well, look, I think you framed Pakistan the reasons for the distrust between our two nations very well there, but there -- but it's a very complex relationship. And there is a, on the other hand, aspect of the relationship, or we wouldn't be such close allies with Pakistan.

On the other hand, we need Pakistan's support as we transport most of the supplies for our efforts in Afghanistan from Karachi across Pakistan. On the other hand, Pakistan military services have lost thousands of troops along the border, helping us with our counterterrorism efforts. And Pakistan is an extremely important country, it's the second largest Muslim country in the world, soon will be the first. There are many reasons why this relationship is important to us.


KAYE: But do you think it's possible -- do you think it's possible that Pakistan was complicit here, and possibly hiding Bin Laden?

CHAMBERLIN: I think there's certainly ample reasons for suspicion, and I think that President Obama made a very courageous decision in not advising Pakistan in advance before this raid. This raid could have gone wrong in a thousand different ways, which would have tanked his political career and legacy and history. But he made that decision to go without telling Pakistan and that took some real courage, as much courage as our Navy SEALs did in pulling off a near flawless operation.

KAYE: And do you think that now can Washington trust Pakistan in the aftermath of Bin Laden's death? Or perhaps the question is, can the U.S. trust the ISI?

CHAMBERLIN: I don't think we've ever had full trust. Our relationship has been one where we reach points of mounting distrust, and then we reach a point where we have to renegotiate that relationship.

For example, one such point was when I first arrived as ambassador to Pakistan in August of 2001. By September of 2001, I was under instruction to go and talk to President Musharraf and say, look, are you with us or against us? The trust had gotten so great. And then, as a part of that renegotiation, yes, they were with us in going after al Qaeda, and yes, going after those that support al Qaeda.

In return, we agreed to provide assistance, diplomatic support, and we agreed not to place combat troops on Pakistan's soil. Well of course, over the years, this trust has built up again, and you saw what happened on Sunday.

KAYE: Right. So, how much does the U.S. need Pakistan in the war with Afghanistan and the fight against terror, would you say?

CHAMBERLIN: Afghanistan is a landlocked country. It's bordered on one side by Iran, we certainly can't get our logistical supplies through Iran. We are getting about 20 percent of our supplies into Afghanistan from the north, but that's extremely costly.

We need Pakistan, and any military person will tell you that you will not be successful in staunching the Taliban as they cross over from Pakistan into Afghanistan without the support of the Pakistani army. We need them. Do we trust them? Not fully but we're at a point now, and this is good leverage, for renegotiating that relationship. And I would certainly hope and think we're doing that.

Ambassador Mark Grossman is in Islamabad now. You know, he replaced Richard Holbrooke. I would imagine there is real -- renegotiation going on right now.

KAYE: All right, ambassador, we really appreciate your insight and this is certainly a very important topic that's not going away any time soon. Thank you for your time.

CHAMBERLIN: Thank you.

KAYE: And when we come back, I want to hear the less serious topic, zombies. Yes, zombies, they are out to get you, seriously. Some advice on how to protect yourself.


KAYE: Of course, we're going to keep you up to date on our top story, the death of Osama bin Laden. But I want to take a step aside for a few minutes and talk about Your money and how to survive this economy as if it were a zombie attack on your money. CNN radio correspondent Lisa Desjardins has written a guide to personal finance called "Zombie Economics." There it is and she's here in studio with us today.

And, Lisa, this isn't really about getting rich quick or anything like that.


KAYE: It's about survival, right?

DESJARDINS: Right. This is about surviving and having a good and happy life, not worrying about your finances. I know people think, oh, zombies are all over the place. But this is a serious book. We wrote it with this zombie theme because most people who have financial problems, Randi, probably wouldn't buy one of those boring, no offense, guys, financial dusty guides. This is a book that's meant for real people.

KAYE: And so it's to help you find your financial weak spots?

DESJARDINS: That's right.

KAYE: That's part of it.

DESJARDINS: And a couple of those financial weak spots, I'll just point out right now, right off the top we hear this a lot and we say it to ourselves, I deserve this. Well, you might deserve it, but is it actually going to be good for you in the end? And another one, I need this. Well, double-check that you really do need it. Not all the time do you.

And, Randi, your health. I know you do a lot about health on this show, but a lot of people don't realize what a financial weak spot it is, not just in the long term, but year to year we're going to be spending so much more on health care. If you just even floss your teeth, folks out there, it's a tip (ph) in the book --

KAYE: That will help you.

DESJARDINS: You'll save hundreds of dollars.

KAYE: Right, what you tell your kids you should practice yourself as well.

DESJARDINS: Yes, exactly.

KAYE: What about surviving unemployment?

DESJARDINS: Right. We talk about this in the book. We talk about unemployment as sort of the graveyard in our zombie land. And here's a couple tips for folks on unemployment. You need to keep up your routines. And that just means, keep shaving, keep showering, go for walks.

KAYE: Keep looking good.

DESJARDINS: I mean it's easy for me to say, but I have been unemployed and you just can't get in the dumps. You don't want to wait to look for a job. I know that's obvious, but, really, if you don't -- don't even wait a day if you don't have to. We've done so many stories on how long people are unemployed right now. And keep track of everything you do. Every contact you make. Every item you do in your job search.

KAYE: Really important to be organized.

DESJARDINS: Yes, absolutely.

KAYE: What about any advice, any survival advice for college grads?

DESJARDINS: Right. College grads. You guys --

KAYE: Who are looking for a job, probably.

DESJARDINS: The zombies are after you. The financial zombie economy wants your money. You need to keep it for yourself. I think number one, college grads need to know, debt is not your friend. Yes, debt might have helped you get a college degree, and that's great. But in the book we lay out a lot of advice about handling your debt for everyone. And one tip that we have, Randi, is, take your credit card and actually put it in a cup, fill it with water and go ahead and put it in the freezer, you know?

KAYE: Make one giant credit card ice cube? Is that what you're saying?

DESJARDINS: Exactly. Right. Right. Exactly. Make it so it is very hard to use, or at least embarrassing.

KAYE: OK, good to know.

DESJARDINS: So, that's it.

KAYE: And I must say, I love the cover. I've never seen Ben Franklin --

DESJARDINS: Ben Franklin as a zombie.

KAYE: Or Abe Lincoln with zombie eyes. Very, very cool.

DESJARDINS: And also Andrew Jackson, the only president to have no national debt during his term.

KAYE: Oh, that's impressive.

DESJARDINS: There you go.

KAYE: All right, Lisa, thank you. Pick up the book. There you see it.

And be sure, of course, to join Christine Romans for "Your Bottom Line" each Saturday morning at 8:30 Eastern. And don't miss "Your Money" with Ali Velshi Saturdays at 1:00 p.m. Eastern and Sundays at 3:00.

Time right now, 20 minutes past the hour, updating our top stories.

This is video shot today inside Osama bin Laden's Pakistan compound. And we've learned that U.S. forces who stormed the building Sunday may have grabbed valuable intel on their way out. A senior official tells CNN that computers, hard drives and dozens of CDs, DVDs and some drives were seized that might have information on al Qaeda operations.

Officials in Alabama are still taking a toll of the devastation from last week's massive outbreak of violent weather. Four hundred thousand people still without power. The state's governor, Robert Bentley, is planning a live, statewide address tonight. Since Saturday, the number of counties in Alabama declared disaster areas has more than doubled to 36.

In California, a company is recalling grape tomatoes because they may be contaminated with salmonella. These tomatoes were used in dozens of different pre-packaged salads and sold by six store chains in 13 western states. The salads carry expiration dates between April 27th and May 9th.

Watching the op. The president glued to the screens as Navy SEALs hunt down bin Laden and the whole operation. Our Ed Henry takes us inside the sit room for those very tense moments. That's next.


KAYE: The operation to take down Osama bin Laden. The president had a front-row seat half a world away, huddled with his national security team in the situation room. CNN's senior White House correspondent Ed Henry joins me at this time every day. And he's here today, as well.

Ed, we're seeing great pictures from inside the situation room as this all unfolded. Such drama. Can you take us through the operation from the president's view?

ED HENRY, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Oh, yes. Sure. I mean these are from Pete Sousa, the official White House photographer. We don't usually run a lot of these because they're essentially government photos. And we -- like when the media -- you know, we're allowed in, the media, we take our own photos and actually have an independent view of the situation. But since this was such a sensitive operation, they were obviously not going to just randomly let the media into the White House situation room, a very secure area. That's why we're using these photos. And they paint an amazing picture of what was going on behind the scenes.

Let me tell you two quick anecdotes that I've picked up from senior administration officials. One about the moment when Osama bin Laden was actually killed in Pakistan. The president's top aides, when you look at these photos, they were monitoring the situation, this operation by the Navy SEALs, in real-time. It appears that they had some sort of video hook-up. The White House is being careful not to tell us exactly how they watched it, because of the sensitive nature of the operation. But basically the president and his top aides, what they heard when Osama bin Laden was shot, I'm told by a senior official was, "Geronimo EKIA." And what that means is, Geronimo is a code word for bin Laden, trying to capture or kill him, and EKIA is Enemy Killed in Action. So that is the code that the president of the United States heard when he knew they thought they had killed bin Laden.

Second key point is that later on in the White House situation room, amidst these photos, is the president, his top aides are sitting around a big conference table and were sort of debating whether or not, you know, they could go public with this information. Do they really know this was bin Laden's body, that he had been killed? Various aides were saying, well, look, there's facial recognition technology that we believe from that it's him. We believe we've spoken to one of Osama bin Laden's wives. She says it was him. And they were debating it, but they're trying to be careful because this is a big, big deal, obviously. And I'm told by a senior official, finally the president interjected and said simply, we got him. And he made that call as commander in chief to try to cut off this debate. He knew everyone else was being cautious and just said, look, this is him. We got him.


KAYE: Wow, you can just see the tension on their faces as they're watching this unfold in those photos that you were just showing us.

Speaking of photos, we know there are pictures of Osama bin Laden's body. We've seen fakes certainly posted on the Internet. Is the administration planning to release those photos?

HENRY: Well, they're debating that intensely right now behind the scenes. Our colleague, John King, is saying he's hearing that it could -- I stress could -- could be released later today. As early as later today. But that's not a settled matter yet. There's multiple photos of Osama bin Laden after he had been killed.

The question right now, I'm told by a senior official is, the photos are quite gruesome. I mean they show Osama bin Laden after he has been shot -- we now know twice -- in the chest. But in the head as well. There's all kinds of blood. It is a pretty gruesome situation. The kind of photo that most American families probably don't want to wake up to on the front page of their morning newspaper.

KAYE: Right.

HENRY: That they don't necessarily want to turn on CNN and see. And I can tell you, one senior official told me the calculation is, in part, that they don't feel a lot of pressure to release it to prove it's bin Laden because nobody has credibly come forward and said bin Laden's still alive somewhere. They believe that most of the world realizes bin Laden is dead. But they've got to weigh that, of course, against the transparency issue, the public's right to know. This is, obviously, a major, major development. And there are a lot of people around the world who want to know for sure, this is him.

And the other part, when you were saying, look, all that tension in the situation room. To give you an idea of how some of the last few hours or so, the last 24 hours or so have been like, you know, John Brennan, the president's principal counter-terror adviser, said yesterday that those minutes in the White House situation room felt like days. They were dragging on. Because they didn't know they were going to get bin Laden. They also didn't know that all the Navy SEALs were going to come out alive. Thankfully, they did.

KAYE: All right, Ed Henry. And I know that you need to get inside because we're waiting for this White House briefing, so we're going to let you go, which explains that small screen there on your screen at home. That's supposed to start at 1:30, just about one minute from now. Whether or not it starts on time, we'll see. But we will bring it to you as soon as it does start.

Ed Henry, we'll check in with you a little bit later. Thank you.

Today, a diplomatic win for rebel forces in Libya as an ally for Moammar Gadhafi tells him it is time to go.


KAYE: Welcome back. Thirty minutes past the hour.

Sony says the international security breach targeting its networks is worse than originally thought. Just last week, Sony confirmed that hackers had gained access to personal information from as many as 77 million PlayStation and Curiosity Media streaming accounts. Now it's disclosed that the breach also affected nearly 25 million Sony online entertainment accounts. Sony Online Entertainment makes multiplayer games, including Everquest, DC Universe online and Free Realms.

This is the scene of the Army Corps of Engineers blowing up a Mississippi River levee overnight. The army breached the levee, flooding 200 square miles of Missouri farmland and about 100 homes. The controversial decision is part of an effort to bring down river levels to save the town of Cairo, Illinois from floodwaters. More than 400,000 people in Alabama are still without power days after tornados ripped through that state. Since Saturday, the number of Alabama counties declared disaster areas has doubled from 17 to 36. Many of the survivors are still waiting for relief supplies to reach them. The governor will deliver a live statewide address tonight to talk about the impact of the storm.

And Alabama is just one of a few states affected by extreme weather. Here's a look at pictures we just received of flooding in western Tennessee. Look at that. Officials there are urging residents to be packed, actually, and ready to go in case of further flooding.

British police have arrested five men on suspicion of terrorism near a nuclear plant in northeastern England. The men were arrested Monday near the nuclear facility after their vehicle was stopped by police. All five are from London and are in their 20s. Authorities say there is no indication the incident is tied to the killing of Osama bin Laden.

An ally of Libya is now saying Gadhafi's got to go. The Turkish prime minister told reporters a new period started in the history of Libya. His words come a day after Turkey closed its embassy in Tripoli, citing security risks. Until now, Turkey has kept close ties with Gadhafi, even helping to negotiate the four captured "New York Times" journalists.

Osama bin Laden is dead, right? The government says it's 99 percent confident. But wait, what about that other one percent? We talk to our own doctor, Sanjay Gupta here in studio to set it all straight. That's next.


KAYE: And we just want to remind you that we are waiting for this White House briefing to start any moment now. That is a live picture inside the briefing room at the White House. We are hoping maybe to get some word on whether or not the White House plans to release these much-anticipated photos of Osama bin Laden. We will find out that and much more, I'm sure, and bring it to you as soon as it gets under way.

Osama bin Laden was buried at sea on Monday. But with a gunshot to his head, U.S. officials are debating whether to release those graphic photos of his body. On top of that, the Taliban made this statement. A Taliban spokesman tells CNN, they don't believe bin Laden is dead, saying the president lacks strong evidence to prove his claim. So how do we really know it's really bin Laden? Well, U.S. officials used facial recognition software and DNA sampling to confirm that they, in fact, killed bin Laden.

Chief medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta is here with us to give us more insight on this.

Now, among other things, you're actually a certified medical examiner. So can you explain how the government was able to get a DNA match so quickly?

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: When you think of DNA sequencing, that's what people typically think of as taking a really long time, being this tedious process. This is not the same thing. What they're talking about here is doing DNA matching.

So you and I, for example, Randi, we share about 99.5 percent of our DNA in common. That would take a long time to sequence. What they focus in on is what's different. So it's a very -- much smaller area of the DNA that they're sort of looking at and trying to find, for example, this sample, where they think it's Osama bin Laden, comparing it to reference samples of known relatives, for example, and seeing if there are matches.

And that matching process, that can take, you know, just a few hours. The more relatives you have to compare it to, the higher your confidence level goes up that this is, in fact, who you think it is.

KAYE: And what about these reports we mentioned this facial recognition software to identify the body.

How does that work?

GUPTA: Yes, this is really fascinating stuff and it's in use, by the way, in some airports, for example, already.

KAYE: It sounds very familiar.

GUPTA: It is. It's becoming more common. But fascinating stuff. If you look at someone's face, there's a lot that you see that you may not pay attention to. You know, the exact width of someone's nose, the distance from the top of their eyes to the forehead, top of their forehead, this distance in here between the eyebrows. All that sort of stuff, in aggregate, starts to develop a very unique sort of fingerprint of someone's face.

And if you take a picture and compare it again known photos, which there are plenty in this case of Osama bin Laden, you can get a pretty high degree of accuracy saying this is the same person. The exact angle of the cheek bones, the height of them, all of that together is pretty convincing.

KAYE: And certainly when you think about all the video he has released over the years and all the pictures the government has of him, they probably had a wealth of photos to work with.

GUPTA: Absolutely. And I'll tell you, you know, from a medical examination standpoint, the low-tech stuff is still what people focus in on. Actually looking at the person, noting any characteristics, for example, in this case, his height. That's a very unique characteristic for him, I think over 6'7 or around 6'7 and then sort of layering in these other sort of forms of verification, the facial recognition software, the DNA sampling.

But as you add each one of these things, it gives you another layer of confidence that it is who you think it is. But they're still going to say, as you alluded to earlier, 99.9 percent.

KAYE: I know. That one (sic) percent and that's why a lot of people are wondering is it really him.

GUPTA: It's an imperfect science. But look, they say there's a one in 250 billion chance that it's not him. There's only a few billion people who are on the planet so I think the odds are pretty good that you're dealing with who you think it is.

KAYE: And also one of his wives apparently identified him --

GUPTA: Identified him, again --

KAYE: -- according to the U.S. forces.

GUPTA: That's one of the important ways.

KAYE: Right. That is a big one.

All right, Sanjay, thank you.

GUPTA: Thank you.

KAYE: Glad you're in studio with us.

British royalty is coming to D.C. We'll tell you about it, right after this.


KAYE: There you have it. A live picture from the White House briefing room. We are waiting for a briefing. It was supposed to start about 10 minutes ago or so. That was the latest guidance. But we will bring it to you as soon as it does start and gets under way there in Washington. We'll bring it to you live, right here on CNN.

As we keep a close watch on developments related to the death of Osama bin Laden, we're also following some other news. The heir to the British throne arrives in Washington today. No, we're not talking about newlywed William, but his father, Prince Charles. Here you see Charles with his wife Camilla, arriving for last week's big wedding. During his three-day visit to the U.S., and he is expected to meet with President Obama. Other events, a visit to the Supreme Court, delivering the keynote address on a conference of sustainable agriculture at Georgetown University, and taking part in an event honoring British and American soldiers.

Time right now, 41 minutes past the hour. Let's update our top stories.

Now that Osama bin Laden is dead, U.S. officials hope to use material seize the at his hideout to find other al Qaeda leaders. Ten hard drives, five computers and more than 100 storage devices including disks, DVDs, and thumb drives have been removed for further study. A controversial decision to blow up the Mississippi River levee appears to be working. The Army Corps of Engineers says river levels have dropped more than a foot since the levee was breached overnight. The move was designed to divert water into farmlands, sparing the nearby city of Cairo, Illinois. Farmers argue it will cause long lasting damage to their land.

At the White House, President Obama honored the National Teacher of the Year. She is Michelle Shearer, a chemistry teacher from Frederick County, Maryland. She was honored among other things for her work with special needs students and minorities.

Imagine an ad that stares back at you when you glance at it, analyzing your face, age, and even who you are with. It may be coming to a town near you, believe it or not. More on that in two minutes. Don't go anywhere.


KAYE: And we want to take you live now just to check in at the White House Briefing Room, as we wait for this briefing to begin. We may get some new information and the latest word, certainly, on whether or not the administration plans to release these photos, possibly, of the burial of sea of Osama bin Laden, or possibly of him after he was killed.

We also may get some new information on what they took from his compound there. We know they have some DVDs and thumb drives, et cetera. So we may get some more information on that.

We will certainly bring it to you as soon as we can and as soon as we -- it gets underway.

Meanwhile, we're going break away just for a moment to examine something that could literally change the face of advertising, ads that look back at you. Ads that analyze your face, your age, and sex to change and tailor themselves to you.

Joining me now for more, CNNMoney staff reporter Laurie Segall.

Lori, this is really interesting stuff. Tell us how this technology works.

LAURIE SEGALL, CNNMONEY REPORTER: Hey, Randi. Yes, it is really interesting.

It's -- actually, it's being worked on by folks at Immersive Labs and it is digital software that will actually attach billboards and basically look right back at you. So it'll use facial recognition and it'll be able to tell how would you are, and who you're with, and it'll be able to say this person has been looking at this ad for two minutes or it will know your attention span. So it's something that they're really working on.

KAYE: And what companies are using it? SEGALL: A bunch of different companies are trying it out right now. So -- in New York, you have Sony trying it out. And if you go to JKF, Hudson News is trying it out.

And I spoke with the folks at Immersive Labs and they said over 40 companies have come to them saying this is the kind of technology we want for our ads so we can understand the people that are looking at our ads and we can actually target them and focus on who they are, and what they want to see.

KAYE: Hmmm. So it's already being used then in the U.S.?

SEGALL: It's already being used. It's being used on a more trial basis, but in the next couple years, you're going to see this pop up more and more. So it's pretty interesting.

KAYE: Yes, it sure is.

Can they go beyond, though, you? Can they go beyond you and actually tailor themselves to things like the weather or even the time of day?

SEGALL: Yes. You know, the interesting thing about this technology is it goes beyond just the demographic. It analyzes if it's cold or if it's hot outside. So let's say you're walking by a billboard on a cold day, you might see an ad for coffee, a warm cup of coffee.

You know, it will kind of tailor if you're with a group of people and looking a movie billboard. You're with a date, it might show you a date movie as opposed to if you're with a group of guys it might show you an action film.

KAYE: And what about the argument, which I'm sure I lot of people watching right now are probably arguing right now at home, that these ads invade your privacy?

SEGALL: Yes, you know, with this technology, there's always that creepy factor. You know, that stalk you.

KAYE: Yes.

SEGALL: You hear that and you think, that's really creepy, I don't want it to know who I am.

But, you know, I spoke with them about this and they say it doesn't know who you are, it doesn't know that you're Randi or that I'm Laurie. It knows maybe that you're a woman and how old you are, and it will target you like that.

So it's using anonymous data. So it uses only external data. So it might, you know, a lot of these companies may have the ability to use this technology, but they know that we are very, very nervous about our privacy being protected.

KAYE: Sure. So but we did say, though, that it can actually tell who you're with. So in other words, it can't tell who you're with by name, it can tell who you're with by the characteristics of that person? Just want to be clear.

SEGALL: Yes, it can tell -- it can tell who you're with as in if I'm with a group of -- group of women, or I can tell that I'm with one other person and that person is probably a male. So it doesn't know -- and they can probably tell how old that male is, but it can't tell exactly -- who doesn't know who exactly you're with.

KAYE: Right.

And what about their accuracy? Say, for example, a man with long hair, would that be able to actually like trick the ad to think maybe it was a woman?

SEGALL: Yes, you know, right now they're working on accuracy. So right now they're about 90 percent and they do a pretty good job of being accurate.

But there are -- you know, when I actually tried out the technology at first, it had me as a woman in my 20s and it kind of catered to that, but then all of the sudden, it switched to analyzing me as an older male and showing me car commercials and watch commercials. So it was a little bit different.

So I think that is something that they are working on, but as they grow this technology and as they work on it, it's getting a lot smarter. And they're hoping that in the next couple of years, it will be able to look right at you and say, you know, your age, exactly who you are without making those mistakes.

KAYE: All right. Well, Laurie, I think it is a little freaky, but it's fascinating so I'm glad we had this discussion.

SEGALL: It is. I know. They want the ads to be more relevant, I think that is what it is at the end of the day.

KAYE: Sure. That is what they say.

All right, Laurie, thank you.

SEGALL: Without the creepy factor.

Great, thanks.

KAYE: And to read more about these smart ads, very smart ads, check out our blog at

And of course, we are waiting for in White House briefing to begin. We are keeping a close eye on that podium that you see right there on the screen. And we will bring you that briefing, again, any minute as soon as it starts.

Meanwhile, Sunday's operation in Pakistan didn't just get Osama bin Laden, it also may have gotten the mother lode of intelligence on al Qaeda, and we will tell you what they got coming up. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KAYE: Well, it would be an understatement to say that they are a little bit late getting started at the White House Briefing Room, but we are told that this is going to start very, very soon. As we watch and watch that podium there and wait for Press Secretary Jay Carney to come out to tell us what we need to know today and we will bring it to you as soon as it starts here on CNN.

When the U.S. Navy SEALs left the bin Laden compound on Sunday, they also took with them a treasure trove of data. National political correspondent Jessica Yellin has been tracking the details of what made it out of the compound, she has some details for us now.

Jessica, what do we know about what was recovered?


Well, this is according to a senior U.S. official who gives us some details on the numbers. They say when they left that compound they took with them 10 hard drives, five computers, more than a hundred storage devices including discs, DVDs and thumb drives.

Obviously, that's an intelligence windfall for the U.S. You have to image anyone who had been in contact with Osama bin Laden or in the planning stages of any plot has be very nervous right now.

KAYE: And as far as the photos of the operation, we have heard so much about the photos, but you are told that there are a different of set of photos taken at different times. Can you explain that?

YELLIN: Yes, that's right. According to this source, there are three sets of photos. One is Osama bin Laden after they had brought his body back to Afghanistan. Then there are multiple pictures of Osama bin Laden's body on the USS Carl Vincent at sea for his burial. And then the third set is photos from the compound that includes pictures of the two brothers and one of bin Laden's sons, all of whom were killed.

Now, the issue is that the picture of Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan is the most clearly identifiable of him, but I am told it is very gory with a huge open head wound sort of above and across both eyes.

And so, you can imagine that releasing that one is challenging, because it is sort of described as not the kind of thing that you want a child seeing in the TV or in a newspaper. On the other hand, it's the one that is most clearly identifiable as bin Laden.

So no doubt that's factoring into the decision making in addition to any concerns about inciting al Qaeda, et cetera, as they decide whether to release a photo.

KAYE: I am sure you have been watching the discussion on Twitter, as I have, about whether or not the photo should been released. I mean, a lot of people said, well, they did release the photos of Saddam Hussein, and so -- you know what? We're going to hold that question, Jessica, and let's get to the briefing here that we promised our viewers.