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Another Alleged Arnold Mistress Comes Forward; Journalist Claims Botox Mom Lied about Injections

Aired May 20, 2011 - 19:00:00   ET



JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, mind-blowing details about Arnold Schwarzenegger sex-capades outside his marriage. Another woman comes forward, claiming she had an affair with Arnold.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Who is alleged mistress No. 2?

And shocking new revelations about the mom who now claims she was lying when she said she gave her 8-year-old daughter Botox. We`ve got stunning new documents. Could they prove this mom was paid to lie? You don`t want to miss this.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just want to apologize to everybody. I would never do it again.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mind-boggling drama today in Casey Anthony court. Why was this woman sobbing?

And we anticipate even more drama with opening statements. The defense has promised to deliver a jaw-dropper. Will they put the man who found little Caylee`s body, meter reader Roy Kronk, on trial?

ISSUES starts right now.



MARIA SHRIVER, ESTRANGED WIFE OF ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER: I have met thousands and thousands of women who have come up to me and said they have worked with him, they have worked for him, alongside, and he has been an extraordinary gentleman.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, we are unraveling Arnold Schwarzenegger`s twisted web of deceit.

A second alleged mistress has now surfaced. That`s right, alleged mistress No. 2. She`s a woman named Gigi Goyette. She has now come forward and claimed she hooked up with Arnold in the mid-1970s when she was just 16 years old, and he was 28. She says they reunited in 1989, three years after Arnold married Maria Shriver.

Here is Gigi in the documentary "Running with Arnold."


GIGI GOYETTE, ALLEGED MISTRESS OF ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER: I come up with the term "out of course" because it`s like foreplay. It`s like anything outside of the body.

I was his avenue of relaxation.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Outercourse, hmm. You learn something new every day, don`t you?

Tonight, we`re also learning Gigi has just hired powerhouse attorney Gloria Allred. Gloria is saying her client had a, quote, "intimate relationship with Arnold." No word yet on whether Gigi plans any legal action.

But why would she need a lawyer? Hmm.

Meanwhile, Arnold`s mistress/housekeeper, Patty Baena, has seemingly gone underground. She hasn`t been seen since the scandal broke. But here is Patty`s daughter, fiercely defending her mother.


JACQULINE ROZO, PATTY BAENA`S DAUGHTER: My mom is a great woman. That`s all I want to say.

She`s the most caring person you will ever know.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: That poor child is going through hell as a result of the scandal. A lot of kids suffering.

Baena gave birth to Arnold`s son 13 years ago, during her 20 years as Schwarzenegger`s housekeeper. Patty and Maria were both pregnant by Arnold at the very same time.

TMZ claims Patty was obsessed with Maria and that Patty and Arnold fooled around in the same bed that Arnold shared with Maria. Yuck.


HARVEY LEVIN, TMZ: Everything was about being like Maria. She wanted to use the marital bed when she fooled around with Arnold and would crawl into that bed when Maria took the kids to school. So it was a crazy situation that she talked openly to friends about. This was not a discrete woman. This woman is a little bit off.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hmm. And I wonder if there`s some sort of campaign to besmirch this housekeeper and take the focus away from you know who, former governor, and put it on a housekeeper.

Straight out to Lisa Bloom, attorney and the author of the fantastic, highly recommended -- you`ve got to read it -- new book "Think: Straight Talk for Women to Stay Smart in a Dumbed-Down World." Perfect title for this subject.

Lisa, your mother, attorney Gloria Allred, is now representing alleged mistress No. 2, Gigi Goyette. What can you tell us?

LISA BLOOM, ATTORNEY/AUTHOR: Well, we know one thing for sure. Gigi Goyette is very smart in terms of how she picks a lawyer, right?


BLOOM: She picked the best lawyer in town.

I also can tell you, I don`t work with my mother. I don`t represent her in any way. But she has a very careful vetting process for taking on clients. She gets many hundreds of people every week who reach out to her, and she`s very cautious and checks people out before she takes them on.

So I know she hasn`t given any public statements yet. She`s probably working with Gigi Goyette behind the scenes but I can tell you, this is going to be explosive.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, hypothetically speaking, why would she need an attorney? I think that`s what everybody is asking.

BLOOM: Well, because anyone who`s in the middle of a media firestorm needs a lawyer to help navigate through it. It doesn`t necessarily mean there`s going to be a lawsuit filed.

My mother has represented, and I have represented, many people who just get bombarded with media requests. And it`s very helpful to have an attorney to say, "Hey, back off," or "hey, we`re going to give a statement." You can help your client prepare a statement. You can help her prepare to answer questions. You can help her navigate through the media firestorm.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Gigi Goyette was one of many women rumored to be linked to Schwarzenegger back when he was running for governor of California. Here`s another clip from "Running with Arnold."


GOYETTE: Most of the time it was just massages, really. And I think any stressed-out man in his position, maybe -- and his wife wasn`t there to relieve him, you know, Well, get Gigi, you know. She`s the homeopath. Get her over here, you know. Call Gigi."


VELEZ-MITCHELL: That documentary was released in 2006.

Gigi was first linked to Arnold way back in 2003, back when he was running for governor. So Rob Shuter, Pop Eater`s "Naughty but Nice" columnist, why wasn`t this a huge scandal back then? Was his political machine working overtime to keep this from blowing up?

ROB SHUTER, COLUMNIST, POP EATER: Absolutely. He`s got a machine behind him. Not just a political machine but lawyers, publicists.

We have known as journalists for a long time that Arnold has been less than discrete. We have known that Arnold has certainly been a ladies` man. What we`ve never been able to prove is that as a fact. So the rumors have been circulating for a long time, but we are shocked that he`s been able to keep it under wraps for so long.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And of course, let`s not forget when he was running for governor, there were the -- at least a dozen, some say as many as 16 women who came forward and, over the course of decades, this guy sexually harassed them in one shape or another, in one form or another.

And guess who came to his defense? Maria Shriver. This woman has given up her career for this man. She had a very promising career. She gave it up for this man. She put her neck on the line and defended him when he was running for governor when all these allegations of sexual harassment came up. And a lot of people feel he would not have won the governorship, were it not for her fierce defense of him. And this is how they return the favor, Lisa Bloom?

BLOOM: Yes, it`s absolutely appalling, Jane. I can remember very clearly in 2003 when six women who had worked with him claimed that he had groped them in some really shocking explicit, sexual ways. And Maria stood by his side. You have to wonder if now she`s kicking herself and saying, "You know what? Those women may have been right. And maybe I shouldn`t have stood by him. Maybe these women should have their claims aired. Maybe I should have heard them out."

I mean, I don`t think anybody can blame her for sticking by the man that she loved. But wow, what about all of the women over the years that he`s accosted?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, listen, Maria Shriver, according to published reports, is not even sure she wants to divorce Arnold. She has hired powerhouse attorney Laura Wasser, who`s handled huge divorces: Britney Spears, et cetera.

But Rob Shuter, I`m hearing that Maria is not sure, despite all of this, that she wants to divorce him.

SHUTER: You`re absolutely right. We are hearing the same, that she has hired a very powerful attorney, but she still has not made up her mind of what her future holds.

I think Maria`s world has been turned upside down the last week, and I think that she`s still just coming to grasps with what has happened. And I don`t think she`s made a decision yet of how she wants to move forward, which isn`t that uncommon with a lot of women who find out their husbands have been treating them in this way.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Now here`s another major bombshell, but listen carefully, because it`s complicated.

"The Washington Post" and "The Los Angeles Times" reported that in 2005 that Gigi Goyette was paid 20 grand to keep quiet about her affair with Arnold. Now, the papers allege that tabloid publisher American Media, which owns "The National Enquirer," paid off Gigi two days after Arnold announced he was running for governor.

Here is Arnold on "The Tonight Show" back then. Listen.


SCHWARZENEGGER: The man that is failing the people more than anyone is Gray Davis. He`s failing them terribly. And this is why he needs to be recalled, and this is why I`m going to run for governor of the state of California.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Unbelievable. And all the while, he is living a double life.

Seven months later, Arnold reportedly signed on as an editor for two bodybuilding magazines owned by American Media. Now, Lisa Bloom, in light of the latest scandal, what is the significance of these allegations in plain English that Gigi was allegedly paid 20 grand to keep quiet about the affair with Arnold, and then seven months later, he allegedly signs on as an editor for two bodybuilding magazines owned by the same company?

BLOOM: Jane, this is a very important part of the story, because if these reports are accurate, then Arnold had a business relationship with a very large media company that`s then making payments to a woman to keep quiet.

You know, usually, we in the media don`t want people to be quiet. We want them to talk. We`re begging them to come on and give interviews. Right?

So because he has this relationship, he`s able to buy the silence, and, of course, he could have bought the silence all on his own. You`ve really got to wonder what`s going on here and how many -- how many women are paid off. And he`s going to be the next Tiger Woods.

I mean, poor Maria. I think she`s the most sympathetic person in this whole story.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me say, I think a lot of people have been hurt. Kids, the children of the housekeeper, Maria Shriver`s children, Maria Shriver, all the taxpayers, and the voters of California, who voted for him and believed him when he brushed off all those allegations of sexual harassment. There have been a lot of people betrayed.

Everybody, stay right there. On the other side of the break, we`re going to talk to psychotherapist Jenn Berman about the psychology of all of this.

And was the mom who said that she injected her little 8-year-old girl with Botox paid to lie?

Plus, much more on Arnold Schwarzenegger`s second alleged mistress.


SHRIVER: Your reputation, this day and age, people`s reputations go so quickly that if you ruin your reputation, it`s almost impossible to get it back.




ROZO: My mom is a great woman. That`s all I want to say.

She`s the most caring person you will ever know.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: The daughter of Arnold Schwarzenegger`s former mistress/housekeeper is just trying to protect her mom. That poor girl has been hurt by all this.

Now another woman may help take some of the heat off of the housekeeper/mistress and take some of the heat off Arnold? Maybe not.

Gigi Goyette has come forward. She is alleged mistress No. 2. She says she was just 16 years old when she first hooked up with Arnold back in the `70s and then reunited with him after he got married to Maria Shriver.

I want to go straight out to Jenn Berman, psychotherapist to, talk about this burgeoning scandal. There are those, even conservative mainstream media -- when I say conservative, I mean more mainstream media, like Newsweek -- suggesting that this is just the tip of the iceberg, that this could be another Tiger incident where you`re going to have more women coming forward. And this is a prediction by "Newsweek." I have no independent confirmation of it. But we`ve been hearing a lot of that.

Dr. Jenn, should Arnold take a page from Tiger and perhaps Jesse James and do the old check into rehab, presumably for sex addiction?

JENN BERMAN, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Well, I mean, I think in terms of PR, checking into rehab, it might or might not help him. I think the American public is very wise, and I think that we`re kind of tired of that being the way that it is handled, and we`re not buying it.

I completely agree with "Newsweek." I put a lot of money on that bet. I think this is the tip of the iceberg, because this is not an individual incident. This is a pattern of behavior, and I think that that pattern is about to be unveiled. And I agree: we`re going to see a whole lot more coming up.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let`s talk about my big issue, though. Is this Tiger 2.0 or is it Tiger 2 point oh, no?

Two years ago we were tallying the golf superstar`s ever-growing list of alleged mistresses. One of them hired Gloria Allred. At one point, there were so many women linked to Tiger, we couldn`t keep track of them all. I think it was 11 to 13 alleged mistresses.

So I`m wondering is that where this Arnold scandal is headed? And who better to address that question than Rob Shuter, "Naughty but Nice" columnist for Pop Eater?

SHUTER: Yes. I think this is going to be huge. I think my advice for Arnold here would be to get it all over with now. Come forward, admit the truth. Do not have a dripping tap of every week, one woman after another after another. That happened to Tiger and really killed him. Come forward now, Arnold, and tell us the truth; put it all on the table.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And like Tiger, this is starting to affect Arnold`s career. He has dropped out, or they have put -- put all of his projects on ice. "The Governator," which was going to be a cartoon about the governor. Lisa Bloom, can you imagine possibly doing that cartoon now? No. That`s been put on hold.

His movie "Cry Macho," where there`s eerie similarities to this particular case in the story line, that one is on ice.

So this is starting to affect his supposed comeback. And why a 63- year-old man needs a comeback after being governor, I don`t even know. That`s sort of a subject for analysis, too, Lisa.

BLOOM: Yes. Maybe the comic book would be "The Sperminator." I don`t know. Listen, here`s what we`ve got to do. He`s got to completely come clean. Get it all out in an interview in a press conference. Don`t let it come out in dribs and drabs. It will be the story for a couple of days, and then it will out because there will be nothing new to report.

Going into rehab? Come on, please. Isn`t there something better? It`s called just coming clean and being honest with your family and with the public. And by the way, have a relationship with your son; have a relationship with all the children that you fathered. Is that so much to ask?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. I can`t even imagine how this has impacted this 13-year-old boy, Dr. Jenn, who -- we don`t know whether he always knew he was Arnold`s son. People say that he is the spitting image of Arnold: the jaw, the whole thing that it`s -- here`s the mom, the housekeeper, Patty Baena. And obviously, we`re not showing photos of the son. We`re protecting his identity. He`s a minor. But those who have seen the photos say he is absolutely the spitting image of Arnold. There he is with his face blurred.

How is this impacting him, whether he had to keep the secret or whether he was totally in the dark and suddenly got to find out, possibly through the news media, Dr. Jenn?

BERMAN: We know at the very least that this child didn`t -- well, there was a period of time where this was kept publicly a secret, whether he knew or not. And that shame, to know that you were conceived and to be kept secret like that creates a tremendous amount of shame in the psyche of a child. And well, yes of course, there is the cache of "Oh, I`m related to a celebrity. How cool." That cache wears off very, very quickly in the psyche of a young child who is deprived a father.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And let me say this. I don`t think we should start trashing the housekeeper. To be in the presence of a very powerful man who is a superstar, who`s super wealthy, who`s the governor. And then to say, well, somehow it`s her fault? B.S., OK? He`s the one with the power. She is the underling.

Casey Anthony up next.



WENDY MURPHY, FORMER PROSECUTOR: You can`t make light of lies of this magnitude, and exploiting a child makes the lie altogether different. I don`t care if adults lie and do self-exploitation for money. These people are not cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs, Jane. They`re greedy for Grape Nuts.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Cereal analogies, I love them.

Did she or didn`t she? That`s the question everybody is asking about the woman known as Botox Mom. I`m telling you, this story just gets sicker and sicker, stranger and stranger, and it`s not funny.

Last night Sheena Upton told TMZ she never gave Botox to her 8-year- old daughter. She was lying the whole time. And she claims she was paid to pose with those needles.

But now the reporters involved with this story is fighting back. They say Sheena Upton did inject her daughter. Listen here to journalist Alley Einstein on "GMA" this morning.


ALLEY EINSTEIN, JOURNALIST: There were very small amounts of what appeared to be Botox. The daughter was in pain, but she rubbed on the gel which people use it for tattooing to take away the pain. The daughter seemed to think that this was a regular thing that they did.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, that reporter -- producer seems pretty sure of herself. However, Sheena produced a bunch of e-mails which seemed to back up her claim. I don`t know. I wasn`t there. Rob Shuter, how are we supposed to separate fact from fiction when we`re dealing with somebody who`s admitted their lying in the past?

SHUTER: It`s really hard. It`s very hard to believe someone who says they don`t tell the truth.

The problem is here is that everybody now really wants this to go away. No news organization wants it out there that they paid for somebody to tell them what they wanted to hear.

I don`t think anybody thought this story would become so big. I know of many instances -- not AOL, not Pop Easter; we do not pay -- but many, many organizations do pay. And quite often when you are paying, you might get a story that you want to hear rather than the truth.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, my suggestion is, if we want to solve it once and for all, give the mother a polygraph. Ask her a bunch of questions. And then we can determine exactly what she was saying, whether it was accurate or not; when she began lying; when she stopped lying, yada yada.

OK. Now here`s another wrinkle in this story. We`ve heard claims that Sheena Upton, mom, never gave her daughter Botox, but you see her doing something there, right? And so some of these claims are that she was injecting saline into her child`s face.

Well, here`s my question. Who cares? It`s still abuse, in my opinion. Look at these photos from Radar Online. I mean, the little girl`s flesh is indented. Even without Botox, this girl seems to be in pain.

Rob Shuter, what kind of mother sticks a needle in her daughter`s face for a made-up story?

SHUTER: A monster. She`s not a mother; she`s a monster. What she did here was terrible, whether it be the first story or the second story. I don`t really understand here why the second one is any better. Being told that you are being paid to lie is not a good story to get you off the hook. Despite what the story ends up finally being here, this is not a good mom.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`ve got to tell you, look at that poor girl going through that and also being coerced into participating in a lie. And I think this child -- I hope this mother, if she did make any money off of it, is saving up for therapy bills for her kid when she gets old enough. In fact, I think she could go to therapy right now, both of them.

Thank you, Rob.

Now, just when we think jury selection craziness is about to wrap up, the craziest outburst in the Casey Anthony courtroom. We`ll show it to you next.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I want to apologize to everybody. I will never...


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mind-boggling drama today in Casey Anthony court. Why was this woman sobbing? And we anticipate even more drama with opening statements. The defense has promised to deliver a jaw-dropper. Will they put the man who found little Caylee`s body, meter reader, Roy Kronk on trial?


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please don`t punish me. I`m really sorry. I`ll never step foot in another courtroom. I go to church. I try to do everything right. I`m so, so sorry. I`m not a bad person. I`m not a bad person. I`m not.



VELEZ-MITCHELL: What the heck? Tonight: pandemonium in the Casey courtroom. It slams the brakes on jury selection in a very bizarre incident.

This spectator suddenly blurts out an inflammatory comment about Casey right in front of a potential juror being questioned. The woman apologized profusely, as you saw. She claimed to be bipolar and on a slew of meds.

It didn`t end there. Turns out the outburst tainted a perspective juror. Watch the judge`s reaction.


PERRY: I imagine you heard what the individual who was in open court said.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: While I was out in the hallway they engaged me in conversations about things and now I`m uncertain about what she said.

PERRY: Ma`am, I`m going to excuse you.


PERRY: You`re hereby excused.


PERRY: Thank you.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, that judge is frustrated and I don`t blame him. Remember, this is now the second contempt of court incident. On day three a member of the jury pool tried to get an inside scoop from a reporter in an attempt to get out of jury duty.

So is today`s chaos a sign that it has started? I`m talking about the craziness that never fails to surround a mega trial like Casey`s. No doubt, there is more of this crazy dramarama to come.

Meanwhile, let`s talk about Roy Kronk. With opening statements just days away, legal experts are redirecting their focus on the meter reader who discovered Caylee`s remains in December 0f 2008. The defense witness list is packed with a slew of people who will try to discredit Kronk; maybe even his own lawyer.

But guess what; Roy Kronk himself, not on the witness list for either side. Why not? Attorney Cheney Mason said the defense will be jaw- dropping. Defense attorney, Jose Baez promised to explain everything with Casey`s behavior in his opening statement.

So first, Stacey Honowitz, Florida prosecutor, we have to talk about this crazy outburst in court today. Is this a sign that the kookiness of a mega trial has actually begun?

STACEY HONOWITZ, FLORIDA PROSECUTOR: Well, I guess some people might think it`s a sign. But you know, in every big, grand, high-profile trial, you`re going to have behavior like this and I think the judge is really setting an example. You`re not going to do it in or around my courtroom. I have to make the public know that if you try to make -- to disturb this trial in any way or taint any jurors or do anything that is going to disrupt the proceedings, you`re going to go to jail.

So his action today, I think is well taken by everyone. Everyone should take note as to how he runs his courtroom.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. The unstable spectator had been in the courtroom less than a minute when this outburst took place. And by the way, she kicked off her shoes as soon as she sat down. Check it out.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re talking about someone`s life.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She killed somebody anyway.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Here`s my big issue: mega trial magnet. It happens all the time in these high-profile trials. You remember O.J., Michael Jackson molestation trial. If there`s a vortex of energy, it creates weirdness. Groupies, protesters, volunteer searchers, witnesses, hangers- on; these trials tend to attract people who are mentally unstable or who have too much time on their hands.

Besides just turning them into a circus, they can actually derail the proceedings, Lisa Bloom.

LISA BLOOM, ATTORNEY: They can, but Jane, the studies are that most jurors rise to the occasion. Most of us can represent somebody who is unstable when we see them. And what we really need here are a lot of alternates so that if we have a problem on the jury, we can get rid of an alternate and keep going without having to stop the entire trial and start over again.

But I agree with you, this is going to be mega madness. We have to fasten our seatbelts because this is just the beginning.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It is. Now, let`s talk about Roy Kronk.

Ok. Here is the crazy lady. We`re going to push her aside and we`re going to move to Roy Kronk because I think that when opening statements start, Roy Kronk is going to be center stage.

He called, of course -- he`s the meter reader -- he called 911 three times in August of 2008 claiming to have found something suspicious in the woods off Suburban Drive. Then, months later, in December, in the same area, he`s the one who finds little Caylee`s body.


ROY KRONK, METER READER: I`m in the wooded area down by the school. I need you like now. I just found a human skull.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Will the defense turn around and put Roy Kronk on trial. Their witness list includes a slew of witnesses who will presumably try to discredit this guy. We`re talking two exes and his son who claims that Roy told him around Thanksgiving that he had found little Caylee`s body a full month before he actually calls 911 and says he did find little Caylee`s body.

So Jayne Weintraub, criminal defense attorney, I looked at the witness list and I said, I think they are going to try to pin this on Roy Kronk. And by the way, we tried to reach Roy`s attorney without success.

JAYNE WEINTRAUB, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Roy Kronk, from the beginning Jane, has not been the Good Samaritan that he has claimed to be. The first time he made this call as the do-gooder, it was a coincidence that he might have seen something. The second time he insisted something was there. Maybe it was bothering him.

But the fourth time that this man insisted something was there and called the police, it was obvious that he knew something was there and exactly what it was. He also knew what it was when he tried to cash in on it. I think there`s a lot of suspicion, rightfully so, around Roy Kronk.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you heard it here first, folks because we know that that lady you just heard from, Jayne Weintraub, is close to the defense. She talks to them. And I hope I can say that. And so now, you`re getting a preview what could happen on opening statement, this bombshell that Jose Baez is promising.

Now, let`s talk more about Roy Kronk. Let`s listen to what that meter reader`s son said about his father during an interview with a member of Casey`s defense team. Check this out.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was a week before Thanksgiving that he told me that he found the skull of a little girl. He had mentioned that it very well could be Caylee Anthony.



Stacey Honowitz, Florida prosecutor, it looks like the defense is going to use the meter reader`s son, Brandon, to show that Roy allegedly knew where Caylee`s remains were, at least a full month before he officially discovers them and calls 911 in December. What does the prosecution do with this information because that could theoretically be enough to create reasonable doubt?

HONOWITZ: Well, you know, you`re just putting this all in one little shell that Roy Kronk is going to raise suspicion because he found this body. There is so much for the defense to have to overcome in order to try to pin this murder on this meter reader.

How are they going to overcome all of the overwhelming evidence that is found in Casey`s car? The hair, the stain, the smell, the chloroform. So if you want to try to set a series of coincidences between this meter reader who called the body and called it in or called when he saw something suspicious and the coincidence that is all found in Casey`s car, you`re going to have to really come up with some fabulous story.

So I don`t think it really means a hell of beans, to tell you the truth. I don`t think any of this evidence is going to come in at all, especially if you`re telling me he`s not even on the state`s witness list. Why even put him in because then they are opening themselves up to all this doubt that`s really not even there to begin with.

So, it`s all --



HONOWITZ: It`s called a collateral matter and basically that is what it is. All of this evidence that they are trying to bring in, it`s a collateral matter. All of the evidence is found to be with Casey.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Jayne Weintraub, brief response?

WEINTRAUB: I can say it would be collateral to call witnesses about it and it`s not collateral to have Roy Kronk being accused or testifying about it. And not calling him by the state is a huge mistake because it creates a hole for them and it`s obvious that the defense is going to tell the truth. They want the jury to know that this guy insisted something was there when it wasn`t. And remember what he was doing behind the school, relieving himself. This guy is weird. This guy knew what --


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, wait a second. Here`s what I say --

Ok. Lisa Bloom, my theory is that Roy Kronk in August, he`s the meter reader. He walks around. He`s got a suspicion. Even in his -- one of his first few phone calls back in August, he says I`m not saying it`s Caylee or anything but it sure looks like there is something suspicious down there, or words to that effect.

The cop who shows up did a terrible job. He was reprimanded because he didn`t even go in there. He was afraid of snakes or something. So then this guy keeps going back and then he finally, in December, actually does discover it. Does that mean he planted it? No. It just means that he`s (INAUDIBLE) who kept going back because he had a good gut.

BLOOM: Maybe. Maybe. But listen, I love both Stacey and Jayne. But I`m with Jayne on this one. This is a very suspicious story.

Now, all we know is what the defense says. I think the defense is going to call Roy Kronk if the prosecution doesn`t call him and then let`s see how the evidence all pans out at trial. If indeed he`s bragging a month before that he found the body or is going to find the body, then that is highly suspicious.

I`m not saying he did it or had anything to do with it. But he is an important person in this narrative because he`s the one that found the remains. If his story is fishy, I think the jury needs to hear that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you fantastic panel. Roy Kronk`s attorney, you`re invited on any time. We want to hear your side. We want to be fair.

Now, a behind the scenes look at Oprah`s top secret highly-anticipated grand finale show from people who were there who saw her step out with Maria Shriver. We`re going to talk about Maria Shriver`s surprise appearance, next.


HILLARY SWANK, ACTRESS: You know, Oprah is a -- she`s just an anomaly. She`s inspired so many women and inspired women to do better for themselves.




UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you know how much we were offered for these tickets?




UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I could barely sleep last night. I was like, oh, my gosh, when I found out I had tickets, I did the Oprah dance.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You turn on Oprah for like 40 minutes or whatever and you change your views, and I`ll just come out and be a little more harmonious together.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you, Oprah, for everything you`ve done for Chicago and the world.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to do the Oprah dance, too. Tonight, a look behind the scenes at the secret tapings of Oprah`s final shows. After a 25-year reign as the queen of talk, Oprah Winfrey says adios to her millions -- could even be billions of friends, followers and fans. Two blockbuster shows are slated and then a grand finale.

And here are the shocking predictions. The last show is going to be one epic sob fest. No kidding. Oprah and her producers have tried to keep the details top secret but a reported 13,000 people are in attendance to these tapings. With that many people those secrets are going to get out and the biggest secret of all, what was it like when Maria Shriver came out and then cryptically referred to the scandal involving her husband, Arnold`s secret child?

Maria said Oprah has given me, quote, "love, support, wisdom, and most of all, truth." Was that a thinly-veiled swipe at estranged hubby Arnold Schwarzenegger? And did the crowd catch on.

Straight out to "SHOWBIZ TONIGHT`S" Kareen Wynter; Kareen you were there when it all went down. Describe the vibe inside this massive hall when Maria Shriver suddenly appears.

WYNTER: It was absolutely electric, for lack of a better word. People were stunned. They were shocked. But you`ve got to think of what this woman is going through right now. She`s out there on a national stage. She and Oprah go way back. Ok. Their friendship spans more than three decades. So this is a night that she would not miss for anything.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: 150,000 Oprah fans requested tickets for the taping, only 20,000 got them. One very lucky lady, Cindy Keinzle joins me right now. Look at her. Does that woman look happy? Yes. She is very happy and she`s happy now because she was there when Maria Shriver came out.

You were just apparently very, very close to her. Tell us what you saw and felt.

CINDY KEINZLE, OPRAH SUPER FAN: I was very close. I was just steps away from her. I had floor seats. I was very lucky. And as you said, Jane, it was epic. It really was epic.

And I -- when she walked out, I was surprised. I had no idea she would be there. She walked out in that cobalt blue long sparkly dress and honestly, she looked happy.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Really? So it didn`t seem like --

KEINZLE: She was happy.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Smile, though your heart is breaking -- she actually seemed happy.

KEINZLE: She seemed happy. She was happy to support her friend and she was happy to be there and she looked beautiful, the most beautiful I`ve ever seen her look.

WYNTER: Jane, we have a little scoop for you actually on what happened -- what went down after this spectacular farewell. I just wrapped up an interview a short time ago with Dr. Phil McGraw at his Beverly Hills mansion. He was, of course, there supporting Oprah on Tuesday.

And he said, look, after the party ended around midnight, we took it to the Four Seasons Hotel. Oprah kicked up her heels. She had such a good time. He did say, though, that she was very, very overwhelmed. She was trying to live in the moment to remember everything and everyone that was going on around her.

And get this, this was so cute. I was really tickled by this. He said he got an e-mail from her the next day that said, "Love you, dude."

VELEZ-MITCHELL: How has Oprah changed your life?

KEINZLE: Well, Jane, she`s really influenced my life greatly, I think, not only Oprah but "O Magazine" and all of her guests. She`s -- I think mainly because she`s showcased so many strong women and looking at her I`ve struggled with my weight. She struggled obviously very publicly with her. I lost almost 100 pounds and I kept it off for nearly ten years, almost all of it. And in addition I started my own company when I was 50.

I just felt like, you know, she really taught me that it`s never too late to follow your dream. I started my company, as I said, a year ago, the Hungry Monkey Baking Company. And I also was inspired by a guest she had many years ago, Geena Davis, who had children later in life. And I had my daughter just four days before my 49th birthday.

And so I just think she really has taught so many women that, A, you`re ok if you`re not a size 2. Don`t let your weight define you. Don`t let, you know, your struggles or your history define you. You can do whatever you want at any time you want. And she taught me that it`s never too late to follow your dreams.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Nobody has had more impact on the culture in decades. Oprah, if you`re watching, we love you. And best of luck on your new journey.

And thank you fantastic panel.

Up next, a miracle rescue. We`re going to show you calves that have been rescued from hell and taken to a beautiful place -- an amazing story.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These baby cows, less than a day old are being taken away from their moms and brought to these facilities where they are either grown out and returned to the dairy industry, or just left to die.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: It makes me sick but tonight a ray of hope. An amazing calf rescue thanks to the undercover investigator you just heard from and the group Mercy for Animals. Innocent, defenseless calves, slated to die have a fighting chance, at least four of them do.

Mercy for Animals went undercover E-6 Ranch in Hart, Texas and what they found was so horrendous we honestly cannot show you the video. Unwanted calves -- can`t show you what happens next -- hit in the head with hammers and then left to die.

The ranch owner says he didn`t know this was happening. And that he fired the workers involved and is retraining the rest. But thanks to this undercover investigator, four abused calves will live out their years at an animal sanctuary.

Straight out to Nathan Runkle, executive director for Mercy for Animals, the organization that did this undercover investigation; an organization that full disclosure I`ve been very involved with for years. Nathan, this is wonderful news that you got four calves. You got these calves out of this particular facility. Tell us about it.

NATHAN RUNKLE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, MERCY FOR ANIMALS: Well, these are four lucky survivors. They are now living out the rest of their lives in freedom. These animals for the first time are able to run and play with one another, and live without cruelty or exploitation.

These animals came from a facility where over 10,000 calves are kept in tiny, filthy crates, barely larger their own bodies. They have their horns burned out of their heads without pain killers and then they are violently and mercilessly slaughtered. So we hope that they`ll serve as ambassadors and their stories will inspire great change.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, these are four. What happens to the other -- there were about 20,000 calves on this ranch alone. So this is truly the tip of the iceberg.

Listen to what the undercover investigator says happened to the unwanted calves. Check this out carefully.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The first euthanasia method that I was shown is using a hammer. So, you know, I was hired as a carpenter. We have carpentry hammers and we just try -- this guy shows me how he takes the hammer and beats the calf on the back of the head.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, ISSUES tried to reach the sheriff in Hart, Texas to find out where the animal abuse investigation stands. We haven`t heard back.

Have you heard anything, Nathan, about justice in terms of this cruelty?

RUNKLE: No. We are still in the dark on the status of the investigation. We`re calling for the owner of this company to be criminally charged with cruelty to animals, for creating a culture based on cruelty and neglect. All the cross breed calves at this facility were denied any veterinary care or treatment. They were simply left to suffer to death. And this owner is fully aware of the treatment.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: And why -- well, again, he`s invited on any time. Come on, owner, we`ll be happy to talk to you. I have questions for you. But why these -- very quickly, why these calves?

RUNKLE: Well, these calves are ambassadors. These are the ones that our investigator was able to work out a deal with the owner to get out of this horrible factory farm and we hope that their stories will promote real change. There`s not a single federal law in this country that provides protection to farm animals which allows abuse to run rampant on factory farms nationwide.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you so much, Nathan.

And if you want to get involved, it is You can be part of the solution.






VELEZ-MITCHELL: People and animals suffering from severe flooding. That woman reunited with her cat. Another dog crawled all the way home back to his family with two broken legs.

But there are some animals that aren`t so lucky, farm animals. During the 2008 floods in Iowa, for example, Farm Sanctuary joined a massive rescue effort to recover stranded pigs and some that allegedly could not escape the horrors of factory farms because they were stuck in gestation crates like that.

They rescued 69 pigs including some pregnant sows and gave them refuge. Sadly many will not be so lucky in this year`s disastrous flooding. It`s up to each of us to help the animal whose cannot ask for help. They cannot speak for themselves. They are voiceless. So, we have to speak for them.

Nancy Grace is up next.