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ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Arrest Made in Baseball Fan Beating; Composer Kills Self While Awaiting Rape Trial

Aired May 23, 2011 - 19:00:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, a dramatic arrest. SWAT teams raid an L.A. apartment building and flush out a suspect accused of beating a baseball fan so severely he`s still fighting for his life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve got the first suspect. And we will identify you, and we will bring you in.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: How long will it be until they find the other suspect? And how do we stop thugs from wreaking havoc at sporting events?

Plus, it was all too much for the Academy Award winner cops called an infamous casting-couch rapist. We`ll tell you about his elaborate suicide with an exit bag (ph). Did he kill himself to escape his upcoming rape trial or his son`s high-profile murder trial?

And a stomach-churning rape of an 11-year-old special needs girl? Now the family is suing the YMCA, blaming one of their counselors for the rape, just as the child delivers a baby. The outraged family claims it was never reported to the police. I`ll talk to the attorney for the girl`s family.

Then, anticipation reaches a fever pitch as we gear up for opening statements tomorrow in the Casey Anthony murder trial.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Could Caylee have understood what was happening to her? Did she try to resist?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hundreds of witnesses subpoenaed to testify. We`ll bring you all the hot controversy and take your calls.

ISSUES starts now.

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ERIN COLLINS, BRYAN STOW`S SISTER: One of the detectives called my parents that morning about 45 minutes after the arrest and let them know. And we were beyond happy.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, one down and at least one more to go. Fast- breaking news in the search for the thugs who beat up an innocent baseball fan in the parking lot after a Dodgers game. SWAT teams just cornered and caught one suspect. Way to go. The question now is: where is the second suspect and the female get-away driver?

Cops carried out this lightning raid in a seedy East Hollywood neighborhood early Sunday morning, only three miles from Dodgers Stadium. And they even hauled off his car. They arrested known gang member, 31- year-old Giovanni Ramirez, who was on parole for a number of convictions. We can only show you this sketch, because cops are not releasing his photograph yet. As soon as they do, we`ll show it to you.

Cops believe Ramirez and another man blind-sided this 42-year-old paramedic and father of two, Bryan Stow, as Stow was leaving the Giants- Dodgers game seven weeks ago. The victim was wearing a Giants jersey, and apparently, for that alone, he was attacked out of the blue, another victim in our mindless culture of violence. The two suspects were wearing Dodgers shirts.

And the fact that the suspects drove off with a woman doesn`t sit well with Bryan`s furious and devastated mother.

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ANN STOW, SON BEATEN AT BASEBALL GAME: There was a woman in a car with a 10-year-old boy. I`m so angry with her right now. If that was her son, she got to spend Mother`s Day with her son. I was in ICU with my son, who is on a ventilator with half his skull missing. That was my Mother`s Day.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: And another big question: when did it become necessary to worry about getting physically assaulted at a sporting event? Why wasn`t the Dodgers Stadium parking lot better equipped to protect its patrons, its fans? Bryan Stow may never fully recover from his injuries. That`s a huge price to pay for a ticket to a baseball game.

Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to HLN`s "Morning Express" sports anchor, Carlos Diaz.

Carlos, good buddy, what is the very latest on this horror story?

CARLOS DIAZ, HLN SPORTS ANCHOR: Well, the amazing thing is Giovanni Ramirez was picked up because of the tattoos on his neck. Basically, his parole officer noticed that he had more tattoos on his neck than he had previously had, and he thought, maybe this guy is trying to cover up something.

So the parole officer meets with a few other parole officers. They start talking. They go to the cops and say, "Hey, we`ve got -- maybe we have a lead for you here." And that`s the reason that they identified this guy.

And three miles? The guy`s staying three miles from Dodgers Stadium? I thought for sure these guys would be fleeing the state or maybe the country, and this guy is staying three miles from the scene of the crime.

The most amazing thing is he met with his parole officer just days after the attack. So I mean, basically, he allegedly attacks Bryan Stow, beats him into a coma, and then he`s meeting with his parole officer like nothing happened.

It`s an amazing story, and it`s an emotional story for all of Los Angeles. When is the last time you heard a cop getting emotional during a press conference when announcing that they have nabbed a suspect?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You are so right. It is absolutely emotional. And we`ve knocked the parole department so often, because they seem to let a lot of bad guys go or slip through the cracks. Now we`re going to give them hats off, a big salute tonight for a job well done.

Here is my big issue: stopping stadium violence. I can think of a place to start. How about the bar? Curb liquor sales because that`s often the reason that this stuff happens. Find out what we found out on YouTube. Look at this.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, out-of-control fans, P.O.`ed about something. They probably won`t remember what they were upset about in the morning. When these fans leave, stadiums need a lot more security in the parking lots. more surveillance cameras.

Lisa Guerrero, chief investigative correspondent, "Inside Education," you cover sports a lot. Do you see this as a pattern and a trend at sporting events?

LISA GUERRERO, CHIEF INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT, "INSIDE EDUCATION": Absolutely, Jane. Interestingly, 13 years ago when I was a local sports reporter in Los Angeles, I did a story about the belligerence and the violence at Dodgers Stadium. So this isn`t a new problem.

In fact, over the weekend for "Inside Edition," I covered the Preakness, which is the storied second lag as the triple crown. Of course, very famous, that they called it a ten-hour party for a two-minute horse race.

Folks basically pull up at 8 a.m. in the morning and start drinking all day. So by the time the horse race actually starts at 6 p.m., people are passed out all over the in-field. It`s all you-can-drink beer for 70 bucks to get into the infield.

And as you can imagine, there`s a lot of violence and very little police presence. So this isn`t just in Los Angeles, and it`s just not in baseball. This is in sports. As a culture we`ve got to be able to curb the drinking and increase the number of stadium personnel and police.

And I might add, I also believe that the in-stadium security should be equipped with breathalyzers...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes.

SYLVESTER: ... so they`re able to give breath tests in the second inning, in the third inning, whenever.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: How about -- how about video cameras in the parking lot so that -- if they had had video cameras, good video cameras, in the parking lot at Dodgers Stadium, they could have I.D.`ed these guys and caught them right away. We wouldn`t have been waiting for weeks. The family, Bryan`s family, wouldn`t have been going through hell for weeks.

Now, Brian Stow is still in critical but stable condition. His family is going through hell. Listen to his sister today.

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E. STOW: It`s still hard. Regardless, we continue to talk to him and play him music, so you know, we leave all of the medical stuff up to Dr. Manley and his team.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mark Eiglarsh, criminal defense attorney, police are calling the foot that was used to attack this paramedic, this father of two, a deadly weapon. Explain how that works.

MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Because a deadly weapon is defined as any instrumentality, in the manner used,, is likely to cause death or bodily harm. So ordinarily a foot kicking a football is not a deadly weapon. But when you kick a guy senseless as he`s laying on the ground, it`s abhorrent behavior that can be deemed a deadly weapon in the way that he was using it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, get this. Some are now claiming professional sports actually keep violent criminals off the streets. Yes, that from one Baltimore Ravens player, Ray Lewis. He told ESPN that an NFL lockout could cause higher crime rates.

I have to think Lewis is saying that potential criminals are busy watching or going to football games, so they`re not out committing crimes? That flies in the face, of course, of what happened to Bryan Stow. Bryan was leaving a game, minding his own business, walking through the parking lot of Dodgers Stadium.

Carlos Diaz, what do you make of Ray Lewis, Baltimore Ravens -- I think he`s a linebacker?

DIAZ: Yes, he`s a linebacker. He`s a future Hall of Famer, and he does a lot for the community. You know, he`s kept his nose out of the trouble for the last decade and been a leader.

Bu what he was saying, basically -- what he was trying to say was that NFL offers a release for people. You live cathartically through the NFL. You can go to NFL games. You can see guys beating up on each other. And it came off in the cadence and the way that he said it, it almost came off in a threat. Like, "Hey, if there`s no NFL, you`re going to -- you`ve going to have to deal with crime in the streets." And the way it sounded probably wasn`t the way it was intended.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, especially in light of this case. Chris, California, California, your question or thought?

CALLER: Yes. I`m calling about families going to baseball games. You know, I have young children and especially my daughter. You know, we like to go to the baseball games. And she`s young enough to go, but she doesn`t like to go to the whole game. Bring her "Hello Kitty" bag with her coloring crayons. And they search you going through the parking lot. And they`re going through: "What do you have here and there?"

And it`s really sad that after the game they can`t do the same thing.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You know, Lisa, this caller makes such a great point, because quite often, the guys who cause the trouble, they don`t even go to the game. They`re out there in the parking lot. Who knows if these suspects even bought tickets to the game?

GUERRERO: Well, that`s true. But I don`t have a problem with being searched going into the stadium, saying obviously, you know, we want to make sure that everybody that`s sitting next to you is safe, that you`re safe. I don`t have a problem with being searched or having anybody look through my purse.

I do have a problem, though, in the case of the Dodgers, where they increase all this police presence weeks after the event actually happened. So of course, now they`ve got temporary lights set up in the dark parts of Dodgers Stadium in the parking lot. But in terms of being a baseball fan, myself, it`s too little, too late, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes.

EIGLARSH: Well, it`s a step in the right direction. It`s not a bad thing. That`s a good thing; they`ve been commended for finally doing more.

Well, it`s reactive. Let`s do it before the next attack. Let`s put up good surveillance cameras everywhere before the next attack so that there won`t be a next attack.

Thank you, fantastic panel.

Up next, an Oscar-winning composer found dead. Was the pressure just too much, knowing he was about to go on trial for 82 counts of sex counts? We`re taking your calls. 1-877-JVM-SAYS.

And it`s the eve of the Casey Anthony murder trial. We`re going to analyze what surprises we`re likely to hear tomorrow morning.

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CASEY ANTHONY, MURDER SUSPECT: Can someone let me -- come on.

CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY`S MOTHER: Casey, hold on, sweetheart. Settle down, baby.

CASEY ANTHONY: Nobody`s letting me speak. You want me to talk. Then give me three seconds to say something.

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JEFFREY HOFFMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: My client did not kill the victim. I don`t know whether anyone killed the victim or how the death occurred.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, a toxic family in total turmoil. A son accused in the grisly murder in the swimsuit designer girlfriend. And his father awaiting trial on 82 counts of sex crimes. Well, tonight, that dad, Oscar-winning composer Joseph Brooks, is dead.

The 73-year-old staged his own very elaborate suicide in the very apartment, on the very same casting couch where he allegedly raped and molested 13 women who had come to him for career advice.

So what was the final straw that pushed this former Hollywood hot shot to take his own life? The elder Brooks was due in court on the day after tomorrow on charges that he allegedly raped aspiring act stresses. Joe Brooks` claim to fame was writing the 1977 Debbie Boone hit, You Light Up My Life. We found it on YouTube. Take a listen and You Light Up My Life you give me

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Brings back memories of the `70s. And just months ago Brooks` son, Nicholas, was arrested in the strangulation murder of his swimsuit designer girlfriend. Incredible: a father and son both charged with horrific crimes against women. Father and son allegedly waging a real-life war on women. Coincidence or bad blood?

Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS.

Straight out to investigative journalist Jon Lieberman.

Jon, you actually live in the very same neighborhood as Joe Brooks. You`ve been talking to people who knew this man who just committed suicide. What can you tell us?

JON LIEBERMAN, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Well, I`ll tell you, Jane. As you said, I live on the very same block, and not many people are losing sleep tonight over this suicide. I mean, word has gotten around very quickly, obviously, around the neighborhood about how he committed suicide, as you alluded to earlier.

He essentially wrapped a plastic dry cleaning bag around his face. There was a tube connected to a helium tank to feed helium into it and a towel around his neck to keep it all insulated. And that`s how he committed suicide. In fact, the M.E.`s office officially ruling a couple hours ago that this was suicide.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jon, let me -- let me ask you this question. Because there`s a lot of published reports saying that up until a couple of weeks ago, this frail, old-looking guy was still seeing a bevy of women that were traipsing into his apartment, which some reports claim were call girls. What do you know about that?

LIEBERMAN: What I got was that that ended about six months ago when his health took a very big downturn. It is believed that he might have even had a second stroke about six, seven months ago.

But up until that point, even after he was charged with these horrific crimes, raping 13 women -- and prosecutors, I might add, say that they believe he raped at least a dozen or two dozen more, but the statute of limitations would have run out. So even after facing these charges, it does appear that he still had young girls around 18, 20 years old coming over.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What was his parole officer doing while he was awaiting these charges? Why didn`t somebody say, "Hey, you`re seeing young girls? You`re going back to jail to await trial"?

Now let`s talk about Joseph Brooks`s son Nicholas. Nick was arrested in December after his swimsuit designer girlfriend was found dead in Manhattan`s super trendy Soho House Hotel.

Here`s that murdered woman`s mom. Listen to this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The couple had been dating for about two months, and one friend at least said that it was a really sort of tumultuous relationship.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, obviously, that wasn`t the mother. But nevertheless, here is the murder victim, 33-year-old Sylvie Cachay, found dead in an overflowing bathtub. Cops say she was strangled and beaten.

Nick Brooks was reportedly upset because she wanted to end their relationship.

Dr. Judy Kuriansky, he`s pleaded not guilty, but what do you make of this father-son toxic combo?

DR. JUDY KURIANSKY, PSYCHIATRIST: Well, there is psychological research, Jane, that shows there is an inheritability factor in violence and impulsivity and, I might add, even in the tendency to suicide.

So there`s the dad killing himself when he has nothing left to live for and is going to be on trial for all those rapes. Here`s the son accused also. I would be on a suicide watch with him.

I would also think that that is a very unusual, from a psychological point of view, way to kill yourself. But helium? This kind of helium hood he put on, first of all, a lot of people use helium to get high. It`s my supposition that he might have used that with the young women. He looks like even a drug addict. So I would be concerned about that.

I`d also worry, Jane, about whether there was somebody involved. There was a euthanasia site he`d been on for that helium hood exit bag. And that is often assisted. And also the guy was too weak to open an orange juice cap...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Whoa.

KURIANSKY: ... so how could he wrap his neck around?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. Good points. More on the other side.

Also, a little girl violated horrifically.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I always found him a creepy individual. I think he should be in jail just for a musical he did on Broadway a few years ago.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ha, ha, ha. Oscar-winning composure Joseph Brooks. It`s not funny. It`s sad. We can never speak ill of the dead. Commits suicide just two days before his next court appearance on charges that he raped 13 aspiring actresses who came to him for career advice.

So by all accounts, he was a very, very sick and disturbed individual, and now he`s dead, the man you`re looking at.

Even after his arrest on rape charges, the neighbors say women kept coming to his house. And he`s some one-hit wonder who wrote this hit song in 1977, and he`s been using it as a recruiting tool ever since to lure young women into his apartment, allegedly.

Chris, Connecticut, your question or thought, Chris?

CALLER: Jane, hello. How are you?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Good.

CALLER: You`ve previously said he was on parole?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, no. What I meant was -- I must have misspoke. Probation. Excuse me. No, no, no. OK. Hold on. He was out on bail awaiting trial. There, I said it right. Thank you. He was out on bail awaiting trial.

What I meant, Jon Lieberman, is if you`re out on bail awaiting trial for 82 counts of sex crimes, where is the supervision as girls traipse into this man`s apartment while he`s awaiting trial? Why wasn`t that enough to provoke his bail and send him back to the clink?

LIEBERMAN: Well, this is what we see in a lot of cases, Jane. There are stipulations to getting out on bail.

For example, he had to wear an ankle bracelet which monitored his whereabouts. But to your point, yes, nobody was checking up and making sure that the stipulations of his bail, i.e. staying away from young women, were being met.

The bigger concern was, was he going to come back to court to face the charges? Hence the ankle bracelet and things of that nature.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Got it. Now neighbors said Brooks looked like walking death, like a skeleton in the last few days. And frankly, this has got to be the slowest perp walk I`ve ever seen.

Until he killed himself, as we`ve said, he was facing 82 sex crime counts. He was also millions of dollars in debt. He`s recently suffered another stroke. And a couple weeks ago, Brooks found that he was on the verge of losing his co-op apartment, where he`d lived for years. A former Morgan Stanley honcho, Frederick Whitmore, had loaned him a couple of million bucks back in 2006, and he hadn`t gotten it back.

So Dr. Judy Kuriansky, the whole world was just caving in on this guy.

KURIANSKY: Exactly. So that`s why we have the SEAL, actually, that proves about how much all those losses that he was going through creates stress. But that`s in the context of a man who has brain damage from two strokes, not one, and likely from looking at him, my supposition would be a lot of drug use, and as I said, you know, using that helium hood probably had been used before.

And so all of that brain damage really, Jane, leads to a person not just being out of their mind and then giving up.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Such a classic Hollywood -- even though this was in Manhattan, but such a classic Hollywood stereotype. Somebody who does something in the mid-1970s and really never does anything extraordinary again, and then uses that to the point where he`s using it actually as a technique to lure in young women who were naive as to think a guy who wrote a hit song in 1977 is going to help them today.

Thank you. It`s a cautionary tale.

Casey Anthony.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: The stomach-turning rape of an 11-year-old special needs girl. Now the family is suing the YMCA, blaming one of their counselor`s for the rape just as the child delivers a baby. The outraged family claims it was never reported to the police. I`ll talk to the attorney for the girl`s family.

Then, anticipation reaches a fever pitch as we gear up for opening statements tomorrow in the Casey Anthony trial.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Could Caylee have understood what was happening to her? Did she try to resist?

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hundreds of witnesses subpoenaed to testify. We`ll bring you all of the hot controversy and take your calls.

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JOHN ELMORE, FAMILY`S ATTORNEY: This mother knows that her child`s stomach was growing and her child -- this 11-year-old child was pregnant.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, is nowhere safe? An 11-year-old girl with special needs claimed she was raped by a 17-year-old camp counselor at the YMCA. It sounds so wrong and twisted. It can`t possibly be true. But that`s exactly what she says happened. And we`re investigating tonight.

Making the case even more horrendous, this young girl got pregnant allegedly from the crime and contracted a sexually transmitted disease, 11 years old at the YMCA -- makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it.

And that`s not even the worst part. The defense attorney for the alleged rapist has implied that the sex was consensual. Is he out of his mind? She was an 11-year-old girl with special needs. It could not have been consensual. It`s impossible.

This alleged assault occurred last summer at a YMCA in Buffalo, New York. In a statement to ISSUES YMCA said, quote, "There was an alleged incident at the Ellicott-Masten Branch YMCA involving inappropriate conduct between a camper and this employee. He was immediately removed from the YMCA and the incident was reported to the parent of the child involved."

So by their own admission the Y quickly fired the employee and told the parent that something had occurred but guess what they didn`t do allegedly? They didn`t allegedly call the police.

So now, a new lawsuit claims the Y never reported this incident to cops.

With us to night John Elmore, the lawyer for the family suing the YMCA; Mr. Elmore, why are your clients upset with the Y?

ELMORE: Well, when you send someone to the YMCA, Jane, especially an 11-year-old child, you expect that they`re going to be protected. That they`re going to have fun. That they`re going to have an enjoyable summer and a learning experience. And in this particular, this 11-year-old was taken into a sauna room on two occasions and she was forced to have sex and as a result she became impregnated. This 17-year-old who is just shy of his 18th birthday, in addition to impregnating this 11-year-old child gave her venereal disease. It`s really upsetting.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: How did the parent or parents find out what really happened? What did the Y say to the -- is it a parent or parents?

ELMORE: One parent -- this new grandmother --

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: What did the Y -- what did the Y, in your opinion, say to the parent initially?

ELMORE: The lawsuit alleges that the parent was told that there was an incident in the sauna room involving this 11-year-old child and this 17- year-old youth worker; and that the youth worker was discharged and that was the end of the story.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wait a second, let me just ask you. Somebody called and said there`s an incident. I say well, what kind of incident? What incident? Speak plain English and tell me exactly what happened.

Did they ever give a detail of the incident? Because the Y says, according to their statement, he was immediately removed from the Y and the incident was reported to the parent of the child involved. There was no report of rape or pregnancy to the YMCA until late April 2011, many months after the alleged incident. So what incident did the Y think occurred that was enough to fire this person?

ELMORE: You know, that is one of the things that we`re going to find out in this lawsuit. During the course of the lawsuit we`re going to engage in a discovery process. We`re going to have an opportunity to question those supervisors at the YMCA under oath and find out exactly what they did or what they didn`t do.

But the fact remains is that when you have an 11-year-old found alone in a sauna room with a youth counselor -- and actually what has been reported to us and what`s alleged in the lawsuit, is that a lifeguard witnessed this incident and saw this perpetrator run out of the room.

It should have been reported to the police. It should not have been left up to this local YMCA administrator to do an investigation himself and not fully disclose what happened to the parent.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: First of all, we want to be fair. We`ve read the statement from the YMCA. They are invited on any time to tell their side of the story. So that`s an open invitation.

But incredibly, this is not the first time something like this has occurred -- far from it. Two years ago a girls` basketball coach pleaded guilty to raping at least two young girls at a YMCA near Boston. Also in 2009 a male receptionist at a YMCA near Seattle was found guilty of raping a 13-year-old girl who he met on the job.

Yvonne Cournoyer, you are program director for StopItNow.org. We know predators go to places where there are kids. So, what can these organizations do to weed out individuals who are going to be predators?

YVONNE COURNOYER, STOPITNOW.ORG: Well, it`s really important for organizations to be pro-active. They need to have policies and practices that reduce the risk that children will be sexually abused. And some of those policies and practices include things like prohibiting one-on-one interactions between staff or volunteers and children. Sometimes it makes sense in a mentoring sort of situation but a lot of times those are the situations that increase the risk. And so we want organizations to be knowledgeable about that and to have policies that reduce those chances.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I think this guy -- we haven`t identified him but he sounds like an alleged creep to me.

Dr. Judy Kuriansky, this is a special needs child, 11 years old. Now, I guess my understanding -- correct me if I`m wrong, Mr Elmore -- is that the mother realized she was pregnant when her stomach started to grow and now she has a baby and a sexually transmitted disease.

DR. JUDY KURIANSKY, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Right. The sexually transmitted disease, fortunately, was treated and the baby was apparently premature and this is horrific. She`s a 12-year-old; she`s a baby herself and she`s had a baby.

I love that you use the word cautionary tale, Jane, because this is a tale to parents, even kids, young girls are menstruating earlier and earlier. It used to be 15 then it was 13, now it`s down to 11, sometimes 9 and 8. This is part of hormonal development and anthropological things that are happening and so parents need to start talking about sexuality to their young girls and boys very early and especially to special needs kids. It`s also a cautionary tale to schools about the importance of comprehensive sex education and to camps and all organizations that deal with young children.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And here`s another question that needs to be asked. In the statement released by the YMCA, they say, "The suspect was employed by the Buffalo Summer Youth Employment Program of the Workforce Corporation of Buffalo and Erie County in July 2010."

So here`s what I want to know. That`s kind of confusing to me. Was this guy employed by the YMCA or not? If he wasn`t, what was he doing there with access to children at a summer camp? If he was a Y employee, what kind of hiring standards do they have?

John Elmore, you`re the attorney for the girl`s family. Do you have any idea if there`s a screening process? We contacted the Buffalo Y with these questions and they told us that they can`t comment because of the lawsuit and the investigation.

ELMORE: Well, the answer to your question is very simple. The city of Buffalo has a youth employment training program where they take 17, 18- year-old underprivileged youths. They assign them to community centers and it`s up to those community centers, such as the YMCA, to train these people and give them the work experience.

And in this case, the YMCA failed. We allege in our lawsuit that they did not properly train this kid or they didn`t properly supervise this kid and certainly they did not suspect --

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me jump in, Yvonne Cournoyer, you`re with Stop It Now. I remember when I was a teenager I was a counselor and picked kids up after school in the bus and took them somewhere. I mean nobody ever questioned me and I was just a high school student and I guess it was a simpler time. It was an innocent time, but so many people do counseling work and after-school work and baby-sitting. What are the signs to look for?

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: This is a 17-year-old guy. It doesn`t fit the stereotype necessarily of a predator.

COURNOYER: Right. Well, I think organizations and parents really want to screen people that they are going to let be around their children. And in this case I think -- I mean in every case I think you`ll want to ask for references. You want non-family references.

If the youth has worked with other children, you want to talk to families of those youth and find out, you know, how did it go? Did you see anything that concerned you?

I mean, Stop It Now on our Web site has a lot of information on warning signs. What do you look out for when adults are with children or when young people are with children? And so it`s helpful to be educated about those and (INAUDIBLE) as well.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The key is, never let a girl alone with an adult in a sauna. That right there is a major, major problem. What the heck was going on there?

Keep us posted Mr. Elmore on your lawsuit. And thank you for joining us tonight.

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Ok. We`re going to stay on that story.

We`ve also got next, of course, anticipation building for opening statements in the Casey Anthony murder trial. What story will Casey`s lawyers tell the jury tomorrow? We`re going to have expert predictions and we`re taking your calls, 1-877-JVM-SAYS.

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JOSE BAEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY FOR CASEY ANTHONY: That question will be answered within the first minute of me standing up for opening statements. And it will be put to rest for good.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: And we can`t wait. I`m going to have a hard time sleeping tonight. Tomorrow morning 9:00 sharp, opening statements in the Casey Anthony murder trial. We are all on the edge of our seats wondering what the heck Casey`s defense dream team of lawyers will tell the jury. They promised bombshells but how will they explain the air in the trunk of her car, the smell of death and evidence of decomposition, the outline of a child`s body in that trunk. How will they explain the duct tape and heart- shaped stickers found at the crime scene and in the Anthony home?

Plus, why didn`t Casey report Caylee missing for 31 days? That, of course is the big question. And during that time, as you can see from these photos, she was out partying.

If Casey didn`t murder Caylee then, who did?

Well, we do have the answer to one question. The makeup of the jury: seven women, five men, five alternates. All 17 of them sequestered, kind of locked up, sort of like Casey herself.

Meantime, we`re learning about a staggering number of subpoenas that have been served to witnesses in Orange County, Florida. These are people who will testify quite probably: 134 potential witnesses for the state, 104 for the defense. If they call all of them, that is going to be a long trial.

All of this as mug shot number six of Casey is released. Wow. Which is the new one? I have to look. Which one is the new one? What, lower right? That`s the new one? Look at that. Look at those eyes -- sounds like -- it looks like reality is setting in. Ok.

There were various pictures back when she was booked in the Orange County jail and you can sort of see an evolution there. ISSUES is investigating tonight; we`re taking your calls. 1-877-JVM-SAYS.

Mark Eiglarsh, Jose Baez said it. He cast the die. He committed on air to explaining the 31 days that passed without Casey calling the cops and telling anybody about Caylee. He is now compelled to deliver on that promise. What could he possibly say?

MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: There is only one thing that he can say if he has any chance of getting anything other than a first degree murder, conviction. And that is that this was a tragic accident for which she acted inappropriately after the fact. But that doesn`t make her guilty of first degree murder.

I`m not saying that`s what happened. I`m saying that`s what he has to allege if he has any chance of winning this case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, that`s what I`ve been predicting. But then people say to me you`re crazy. He would have done that a long time ago, we wouldn`t be going to trial on a first-degree murder if he thought it was an accident.

EIGLARSH: Well, that`s not to say it was. I`m just telling you what is the best argument and that leads you to my big issue. You`re not the only one with issues. If he really had a bombshell --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I know you have a lot.

EIGLARSH: I`ve got plenty. You don`t have a long enough show.

Let me tell you, if he really does have some incredible bombshell theory, why is he waiting to advance it during opening statement after the tide of publicity has completely turned against his client?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Casey`s attorney, Jose Baez, promising the explanation in his opening statements; that`s tomorrow. His colleague, Cheney Mason said it would be a jaw-dropping defense.

My big issue -- mine -- what is your opening salvo. Let`s think about it, no weapon, no fingerprints, no cause of death. Yes, the manner of death is homicide. But the medical examiner was not able to determine a cause of death.

Zanny the nanny, "I gave the child to the nanny". They are going to probably admit that that was made up. That`s a fictional person. The defense might claim that Caylee`s remains were not placed at the site where they were found until after Casey was behind bars. And of course, they are likely to claim that somebody else did it.

A lot of people think they are going to point the finger at Roy Kronk. He`s the meter reader who discovered the body.

Aphrodite Jones, you`ve seen so many trials. You could say anything in opening statement practically. But the question is, is it believable.

APHRODITE JONES, HOST, "TRUE CRIMES": Well, exactly, Jane. You and I have sat through some very high-profile trials over the years and certainly this harkens back to Scott Peterson. You wonder if the defense is going to come up with something wacky, like a satanic cult did it, or the child was kidnapped or all the things that we heard about with Laci Peterson that was floated out there in front of a jury that was starting to become believable as they were able to produce witnesses who claimed that there were Laci sightings.

And in this case there maybe have been a Casey sighting that we don`t know about that they`re going to describe in the defense tomorrow and opening statement.

They also think, for example, the fact that there was a smell that emanated from her car when it was towed to the parking lot that smelled like decomposition. It`s going to be highly argued by the defense that that was garbage in the back of Casey`s car. It was a garbage bag.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. But will we believe it? Thank you both.

Oprah next.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She completely understood how I was feeling at that moment, and if anyone, anywhere ever asks what the magic of Oprah really is about it`s about that level of empathy. And I`ll never forget that moment.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: In just two days we`re going to say good-bye to the queen of talk after 25 years; Oprah moving on from her world famous show. Tonight, we`re taking a look at some of the game-changing Oprah moments.

These are my favorite Oprah memories from Oprah.com.

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OPRAH WINFREY, TALK SHOW HOST: You get a car. You get a car. You get a car. You get a car. You get a car. You get a car. Everybody gets a car.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Morning show personality, K Foxx, remember the time that everybody in the audience got a free car?

K FOXX: Yes, and it`s so funny to this day. Every tries to mimic that moment, but it can never be duplicated. Only Oprah can do it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I loved it. This was one of Oprah`s biggest controversy when Oprah said, well, she had the author of the best-selling book "A Million Little Pieces" on. The entire world including the host thought the book was about the real-life struggle of the author with addiction. But eventually we learned it wasn`t.

She was kind of harsh on the author. Check it out from Oprah.com.

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WINFREY: My position and intention was how dare you. How dare you. How dare you lie to me? How dare you lie to the viewers? How dare you. It really was not a position of let me hear your story. Let me hear your side. And that is what people saw. That`s what the lashing was.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: K Foxx, she always looks like she has tears in her eyes. She`s some empathetic even with him.

FOXX: You know what, because she`s so emotional, she takes what she does very, very seriously. She`s changing people`s lives. And we all know that when Oprah endorses something, your stock goes up 110 percent. Everybody that`s watching nationally, internationally is going to go and purchase whatever she says to go buy. That`s why she takes it so very personally.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: This has to be one of the most famous moments from Harpo Productions; the couch-jumping episode with tom cruise. And this really -- talk us through this one while we see this.

FOXX: You know what? Tom, he was just so giddy. He was just so in love, and when I saw that, I was like, I want a man to be head over heels in love with me like that. No matter how insane he may have seemed at that time. But he was professing his love and how happy he was, man. That`s like the best, really in world, even though everybody made fun of him afterwards. Forget it. He was in the moment. He embraced it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Well, he was right up there with that moment when he did "Risky Business" and he was in his underwear.

FOXX: I liked that part too.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Weight loss has been a consistent theme during in Oprah`s reign. Remember? This one -- this was huge from oprah.com, literally huge.

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WINFREY: I have lost as of this morning, as of this morning 67 pounds. Let me tell you, those of you who are starting dieting or dieting a little bit, this is what 67 pounds of fat looks like.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, K Foxx, that makes me gag, but boy, did she make a point.

FOXX: Oh, man. We all know that Oprah has had weight issues and struggles and things of that nature, but one of the my favorite Oprah moments was when Kirstie Alley actually came up there and she showed off her hot little new body in her weight loss in her bikini. Do you remember that?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Up next, the Oprah moment that changed me.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, for my number one favorite Oprah moment: when Howard Lyman, a man raised as a fourth generation rancher on a dairy and meat farmer, went on Oprah and revealed the secrets of his industry. That`s when Oprah famously said, quote, "It has just stopped me cold from eating another burger." The next day beef prices plummeted.

Because of the O factor, soon after Oprah was slammed with a lawsuit from a Texas cattleman who claimed she and Howard Lyman defamed beef. She was found not guilty and it brought factory farming onto the world stage.

And guess what; I entered Howard Lyman right after that and that`s the reason I went from vegetarian to vegan. So Oprah totally influenced my life as well.

Now, I`m going to ask you, what is your favorite Oprah moment ever? Let us know at cnn.com/Jane. I want to hear from you.

Nancy Grace is up next.

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