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ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Casey`s Behavior on Trial?; Justice Sought for Burned Boy; Ex- Husband of Arnold`s Mistress Speaks Out

Aired May 25, 2011 - 19:00:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST (voice-over): Fallout from yesterday`s earth-shattering defense of accidental death and incest.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you ever sexually molested your daughter, Casey Anthony?

GEORGE ANTHONY, CASEY`S FATHER: No, sir.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: While critics call the defense outlandish, is the prosecution making a colossal mistake by ignoring this new defense explanation?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did she tell you anything about her daughter?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just that her birthday was next month and that I was invited to her birthday party.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`ll analyze and we`ll take your calls.

Then, a gut-wrenching story about an 8-year-old boy burned by his 13- year-old neighbor. Years later, on his death bed, he reveals a jaw- dropping secret about the attacker. Now his family is fighting for justice. I`ll talk to his devastated, devoted mom.

Plus, another shocker as the ex-husband of Arnold`s mistress speaks out. He tells "Entertainment Tonight" that he was also lied to and thought Arnold`s secret child was his own.

HARVEY LEVIN, TMZ: It was a crazy situation that she talked openly to friends about. This was not a discrete woman.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Is he telling the truth?

And that`s a wrap. Oprah goes out with a bang in her grand finale. I`ll tell you who showed up.

ISSUES starts now.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Directing your attention to June 16, 2008, did you see the defendant that day?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Approximately what time do you recall seeing her that day?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In the evening.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was it early evening?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Eight p.m.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Somewhere around there?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Somewhere around -- I`m sorry.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I would say anywhere after 6:30, 7 p.m.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Do you recall going to a Blockbuster Video?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, sir.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: That was the night she died, and there`s her ex- boyfriend saying, she acted just like it was any other day the night little Caylee died.

Tonight, new fireworks in the Casey Anthony murder trial. And those explosive accusations from yesterday`s opening statements, they`re still ricocheting around the courtroom, especially the accusations that Casey`s father and brother sexually abused her.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you ever sexually molested your daughter Casey Anthony?

G. ANTHONY: No, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you`ll hear evidence that Casey has a brother and he, too, wanted to follow in his father`s footsteps, and on certain occasions when he was a teenager, he attempted to also touch his sister, although it didn`t go as far.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, we`re going to tell you how Casey`s own words may contradict that bombshell accusation.

Meanwhile, new head spinners in court today. Friend after friend after friend testifying about the extraordinary lies Casey Anthony told them after her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee, vanished. Check out how a former friend testifies Casey even invited her to Caylee`s upcoming birthday party, even though little Caylee was already dead.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did she tell you anything about her daughter?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just that her birthday was the next month and that I was invited to her birthday party.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She invited you to her daughter`s birthday party the next month?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you ever see her with any identification from Universal Studios?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. She carried -- she would walk into the apartment with a Universal badge.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did it have her picture on it?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Casey hadn`t worked at Universal Studios in years. And the defense says that little Caylee was never missing at all, not for a minute, claiming that she drowned accidentally in the family`s swimming pool. So why does the prosecution keep asking witness after witness if Casey told them her daughter was missing or kidnapped? Should prosecutors now adjust their strategy to address the shocking new defense theory? What do you think? Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to "In Session" correspondent Jean Casarez.

Jean, I want to begin with a little -- I don`t know whether would you`d call it a scuffle. It was a little something, a little to do outside court today as lead defense attorney Casey -- Jose Baez is coming into court. Let`s check it out. Here`s the video and, of course, reporters are trying to talk to him. Let`s check it out for a second.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on, guys.

Wow.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get him out of the way.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You guys know we`re here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get him out of the way.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: With an outburst like that, that`s kind of unacceptable, Jose, don`t you think?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your behavior is unacceptable.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get your hand off of me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get out of my way.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So now you`re pushing people around? Is that what you`re doing? You`re pushing people around?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I`m not. No, I`m not.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Whoa, Jean Casarez, what the heck was that all about? We`ll watch it again as you tell us about it.

JEAN CASAREZ, CORRESPONDENT, TRUTV`S "IN SESSION": It was terrible. I`ll tell you exactly where they were walking from. They were walking from Cheney Mason`s office because he has a big office right across the street from the courthouse.

And you see that photographer that basically trips Jose Baez, and he loses his briefcase. He doesn`t fall down, but it looks like he maybe bangs his head. What a horrible thing to have happen minutes before you`re going to go to court to try to save somebody`s life.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow. Well, it just gives you an idea of the stakes in this case and the tension. You could cut it with a knife. Because every single thing that happens, every little word that`s spoken on that witness stand could be the difference between life and death.

I`ll give you an example. Just a short comment by one witness. The Anthony`s next-door neighbor testified today that he loaned Casey Anthony a shovel on June 18, 2008. That`s about two days after prosecutors suspect little Caylee was murdered.

Listen to this. Very short.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: While you were doing your yard work on the 18th, did you see or happen to see the defendant, Casey?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She approached me later in the afternoon.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you have any idea about what time?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 1:20, 1:30.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She approached you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And why did she approach you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She said she wanted to borrow a shovel to dig up a bamboo root.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Is this especially incriminating because somebody Googled neck breaking, how to make chloroform, death, and the word "shovel" on the Anthony`s computer months before the child vanished, and the prosecution argues Casey did that Google search. And Darren Kavinoky, they believe that shows she planned to murder her daughter.

DARREN KAVINOKY, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, yes. But let`s take a step back here, Jane. We know that just like there`s cat people and dog people, people are guilty voting people or people are guilty not voting and skeptical people. So people don`t just check that stuff at the door.

So to one set of jurors, or one juror, they may hear that material about a shovel and align immediately with the prosecution`s theory of the case or if they`re a skeptical type, not guilty voting person, they`ll hear that and think, well, other people had access to the computer or whatever that -- that alternative view might be. But I think that...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But whoever had access to the computer, which the prosecution argues was only Casey Anthony, because her dad was at work, Googled the word "shovel." And it was only Casey Anthony who asked to borrow the shovel.

KAVINOKY: Well, indeed. But my point in all of this is that we`re running a marathon race here. It`s not a sprint. Certainly one fact like that, according to the prosecution, and their theory of the case, it`s going to be a very damming bit of evidence, and we can expect to hear it trumpeted loudly in closing arguments. But, remember, we`re in it for a long haul. This is going to be -- this is a marathon race.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I got it. And the big, big Kahuna in this long haul is the hell the Anthony family has been through. They have stuck by their daughter Casey. But what do you do when your daughter`s defense attorney says this?

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JOSE BAEZ, CASEY`S DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You see, this family must keep its secrets quiet. And it all began when Casey was 8 years old and her father came into her room and began to touch her inappropriately. And it escalated.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Prosecutor Stacey Honowitz, you`re out of Florida. If this is a lie, it is the ultimate betrayal. So the big question is, what is the defendant`s mother, Cindy Anthony, going to say? And what is Casey`s brother Lee going to say, if and when they testify? At this point it`s either basically her, Casey, or them.

STACEY HONOWITZ, PROSECUTOR: Oh, my God, Jane. The idea that this is even coming to evidence. This defense`s argument has been a prosecutor`s dream. Throw everything against the wall, and let`s see what sticks.

The bottom line is, I`m sure that Jose Baez must discuss at some point with George and Cindy that this was what he was going to say, that Casey told him that she was molested, and at some point he`s got to bring it up at trial to try to borrow sympathy from the jury so they don`t put her to death. This is their daughter.

The bottom line is, if she was molested, hypothetically, what does this have to do with murdering the child? It has nothing to do with it. They have to try to figure out a way to explain 31 days of a mother not reporting the death of her child. And this is how they chose to do it.

I think Cindy Anthony is going to take the stand and say, "I don`t know what she`s talking about. I don`t know what she`s talking about." George already denied it. But it`s out there. The bottom line is, it has nothing to do with the murder of this child.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Jody, Michigan, your question or thought -- Jody?

CALLER: My question?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes.

CALLER: OK. My question is, when George was on the stand and he admitted right away that, no, that he had never touched Casey at all, Casey was at the same time turning her head from side -- you know, like no.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Saying no, no, like with her head.

CALLER: So if he -- if she did that, maybe she was trying to tell him that she knew that she had to lie, that it was a lie.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s interesting, Jean Casarez. Your thoughts on that?

CASAREZ: Here`s the things that this thing has become. It`s become a credibility contest. Who do you believe? Do you believe Casey? Do you believe George?

And when Cindy and Lee get in the mix, do you believe them?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I`ve got to tell you -- and coming up, we`re going to have more analysis. We`re going to bring in Aphrodite Jones, who has covered many, many cases and written many true crime books. She`s got some fascinating insights.

And tonight on "Nancy Grace," exclusive new video of Caylee Anthony`s second birthday. You`re going to see it for the first time on "Nancy Grace" in less than an hour, only here on HLN.

All right. Again, we`re going to have more on the Casey Anthony trial in just a moment. We`re also taking your calls on this: 1-877-JVM-SAYS.

And we`ve also got this story. It`s just horrific. An 8-year-old boy burned over nearly his entire body reveals on his death bed a gut-wrenching secret. And his devastated, devoted mother talks to me live next in her fight for justice. We all owe it to her to listen and find out what we can do to help her.

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COLLEEN MIDDLETON, MOTHER OF BURN VICTIM: It`s just devastating. I can`t believe, you know, all that they did to him, and then they turned around and did that also. It`s very upsetting.

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ROBBIE MIDDLETON, BURN VICTIM: Don grabbed me and turned me around and threw gas in my face. The next thing I know I was screaming and rubbing my eyes and I realized I was on fire.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, boy, our culture of violence. This is an example of mind-blowing violence in a small Texas town. Cops say a little boy, a total innocent, was tied to a tree in the woods and then doused in gasoline and set on fire, all on his 8th birthday.

Now, the photos you are about to see are disturbing, but it is important for all of us to bear witness, to bear witness to the extent this hellish crime went. We want to make sure that little Robbie didn`t die in vain. Little Robbie Middleton, burned over 90 percent of his body. His mother said he screamed for months from the pain.

Police arrested a 13-year-old neighbor for this horrific crime. However, cops said there wasn`t enough information to prosecute him for the attack. Since he was never formally charged, we can`t even show you his face. We can`t even name him.

Last month, Robbie died from a cancer specific to burn victims. His devastated family wants justice. This is such a brave young man. We`re going to tell you about his courage, his refusal to feel self-pity. It`s a wake-up call for all of us, all of us who feel self-pity throughout the course of the day, about any number of things. Look at this kid. If anybody had a right to feel self-pity, it would be him. And does he feel it? No.

He died a month ago, and we are fighting for justice for him.

In a deposition right before he died, young Robbie revealed for the very first time what might have been the motive for this seemingly senseless attack. Let`s listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did he ever sexually assault you?

R. MIDDLETON: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many times?

R. MIDDLETON: Just once.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what did he do?

R. MIDDLETON: He pulled my clothes down and started raping me.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Unbelievable. In a shocking twist, the neighbor they once questioned is now in jail for failing to register as a sex offender. Yes, this guy was convicted of the same thing, sexually assaulting his 8- year-old cousin, a boy the same age as little Robbie when he says he was raped and then set on fire.

Straight out to Robbie`s courageous mom, Colleen Middleton and Craig Sico, the family attorney.

Colleen, first of all, I want to share our condolences here over the horror that you and your family has experienced. I can`t even imagine. It goes beyond my comprehension level to imagine what you and this little boy have been through. I`m so sorry you lost your son, and our hearts do go out to you.

C. MIDDLETON: Thank you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tell us what your battle for justice is now. Why are you so frustrated in this pursuit of justice for your son?

C. MIDDLETON: Because I believe that Robert`s case is solvable, and I don`t want another child to go through what he had to go through for so many years.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, the police say that this young man that we can`t mention, who you believe and they believe did it, confessed. He denies that. Well, as far as I can remember, 13 years ago when this happened, there were tape recorders. Why the heck was this confession not tape recorded? And I`ll put that out to Craig Sico, the attorney for this family.

CRAIG SICO, ATTORNEY FOR MIDDLETONS: We`re not sure -- I`m sorry. We`re not sure that it wasn`t tape recorded. We haven`t seen any evidence yet. It`s not been available to us. Our case is a civil matter, and it really is secondary to what`s going on now, which is a reopening of the criminal case. For all we know there was an audiotape, a videotape. We`re waiting to see what`s going to happen at this point.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s always like this. It always seems like justice slips through the fingers of the people who need it most.

Robbie Collins [SIC] was an amazing young man, really inspiring to me. After the attack, he underwent more than 200 painful surgeries. He overcame countless obstacles.

But he wasn`t an angry person. Everybody said he was full of compassion. He tried to help others. He gathered signatures to keep a hospital open after Hurricane Ike hit. He especially loved animals and wanted to become a wildlife rehab expert.

Colleen, did he connect his own suffering with the suffering of other people and other creatures?

C. MIDDLETON: Yes, he did. He always felt like there were people that suffer worse than he did, and he would always tell me that. It could be worse. That`s what he would say about his life. It could be worse.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What needs to be done now, Craig? Ten seconds.

SICO: Well, what needs to be done is they`ve got to get in there. They`ve got to take the evidence that`s available, which is now a dying declaration, a deposition that we took in our civil case that they can use in the criminal case, and they need to prosecute him. They need to go back to what they saw before...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Got to leave it right there.

SICO: ... and analyze it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Casey Anthony, up next.

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LEVIN: Everything was about being like Maria. She wanted to use the marital bed when she fooled around with Arnold and would crawl into that bed when Maria took the kids to school.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Arnold Schwarzenegger`s baby mama drama just got a whole lot more complicated. Now the ex-husband of Arnie`s mistress, who`s Patty Baena -- that`s the mistress -- is speaking out about the affair. And this ex-husband is speaking out about his ex-wife`s betrayal. Take a look at this clip from "Entertainment Tonight."

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you ever suspect that Patty was having this affair?

ROGELIA BAENA, EX-HUSBAND OF PATTY: No. Absolutely.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you angry?

BAENA: Oh, sure.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: The second part of that interview airs tonight on "Entertainment Tonight."

Rogelia Baena says until about a week ago, he thought the child was his. But we got a hold of the divorce papers, and well, take a look at this. It`s amazing. See that box checked, "no minor children"? OK. That was on the divorce papers.

So Kim Serafin, senior editor, "InTouch Weekly" magazine, why is he now saying he thought the child was his if they say, no children on the divorce papers?

KIM SERAFIN, SENIOR EDITOR, "INTOUCH WEEKLY": I think that`s a question that a lot of people are asking. Because remember, when this first came out, everyone went to the separation. Everyone found out when these tears and people separated. They looked at the date that Mildred "Patty" Baena gave birth to this son. They separated three weeks after. So people thought maybe that was one of the reasons that they separated because he knew this was not his son.

But then, as you mentioned, and then years later on the divorce papers they say they have no minor children together. So there are questions about whether he knew or not. I mean, on one hand you could say, there`s no way he could have known, because the more people that know about this secret, the more likely it is to get out.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The child is supposedly the spitting image of Arnold Schwarzenegger, according to people who have seen him.

SERAFIN: Yes. Exactly.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: His wife worked for Arnold Schwarzenegger. They separated three weeks after the child was born. You know what? I`ve said enough.

Now, late-night talk show hosts, they`re having a great time with Arnold`s secret child drama. Take a look at this very funny clip from "Lopez Tonight."

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GEORGE LOPEZ, TALK SHOW HOST: Please welcome via satellite, the mother of Arnold`s love child, Mildred "Patty" Baena.

Hola. Call me Patty. I`m so nervous. Are you looking for a girlfriend?

No, I`m not. Thank you, no.

Housekeeper, maybe?

No.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Kim, George maybe makes a cute girl, but I`m sort of sick of people beating up on the housekeeper. Remember, it`s the former governor, the then governor who was doing the cheating on Maria.

SERAFIN: Yes, that is true. Well, the majority of the late-night comics have certainly been going after Arnold, not after the housekeeper, although she has apparently hired an attorney to go after all things like this, all these kind of malicious reports about her that are out there.

But look, you`re dealing with Arnold Schwarzenegger, Maria Shriver, two people that can certainly hire the best P.R. people in the world, the best lawyers in the world. So there are bound to be lots of rumors. We know that so much of this right now is speculation. We`re hearing about how Maria knew, when she knew, how did this confrontation happen. I mean, so much right now. We`re just hearing reports, insider sources. There`s more to come out soon, I`m sure.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Kim, I think there`s a smear campaign going on against this housekeeper, and it stinks.

Casey Anthony -- thank you, Kim. Casey Anthony up next. Woo! Good job. Let`s go.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: More exclusive Casey Anthony fallout from yesterday`s earth-shattering defense of accidental death and incest.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you ever sexually molested your daughter Casey Anthony?

GEORGE ANTHONY, FATHER OF CASEY ANTHONY: No, sir.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: While critics call the defense outlandish, is the prosecution making a colossal mistake by ignoring this new defense explanation?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did she tell you anything about her daughter?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just that her birthday was the next month and that I was invited to her birthday party.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`ll analyze and we`ll take your calls.

And that`s a wrap. Oprah goes out with a bang in her grand finale. I`ll tell you who showed up.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do you recall about meeting Miss Anthony on that week?

CLINT HOUSE, ANTHONY LAZZARO`S FORMER ROOMMATE: She seemed like a fun party girl, somebody that would probably get along well with our group of friends.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: One after another, a parade of Casey Anthony`s ex- friends testify that Casey never told them her daughter Caylee had vanished. Plus, a very rough day literally for her defense attorney, Jose Baez, as he tries to get inside the courthouse. Check this out.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can we ask if you plan to invite Casey to the stand there?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on.

(EXPLETIVE DELETED)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sorry.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wow.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: This goes on and on. It`s a very ugly confrontation there. I don`t really know what happened but suffice it to say, I`ve been in those situations as a reporter out in the street and tensions are running high.

This really was not a pretty scene and then this guy`s got to go in there and do a cross-examination. Wow.

Straight out to Aphrodite Jones, who the star of "True Crimes" on Investigation Discovery; she was also in the courtroom today. First of all, what do you make of this drama inside and outside the courthouse? You`re there. What`s the tension like?

APHRODITE JONES, HOST, "TRUE CRIMES" ON INVESTIGATION DISCOVERY: Jane, it is so high. The tension is -- it`s like hair raising for everybody sitting in the courtroom and even especially outside. Whenever you are confronted with cameras and the people who are the main players in this trial have been confronted with cameras now for years but now suddenly it`s become higher stakes and people are just ravenous to get a glimpse of Mr. Baez or the Anthonys and to shove those cameras in their faces.

And honestly, I`m surprised that more scuffles have not happened in more high-profile trials because it`s tough.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Let me ask you about this. One of Casey`s jailhouse letters, we`ve been analyzing the stuff that we already know about and it could fly right in the face of Casey`s stunning defense. In a jailhouse letter, Casey wrote, "I also know how it feels to be sexually abused. I was to blame for my own brother walking into my room and feeling my breasts while I slept. I think my dad used to do the same thing to me but when I was much younger."

I want to throw that out to Stacey Honowitz, Florida prosecutor. That disputes what Jose said in court today, yesterday. Remember, she`s writing -- hold on a second -- she`s writing, "I think my dad used to do the same thing."

Baez graphically describes alleged sexual abuse involving a body part and Casey when she`s 8 years old, George abusing Casey. That`s a lot more vague.

STACEY HONOWITZ, FLORIDA PROSECUTOR: Well, that`s what I`m telling you, Jane. The bottom line is this is made up as an issue to try to figure out what she was doing for 31 days. It makes absolutely no sense. I bet that when she was in the jail she heard that that`s like a good mitigator to talk about that you were sexually abused; maybe that would help with you the case.

I bet Jane there`s no way that those parents have not met with Jose Baez when their daughter is on trial and trying to spare her life. They`ve had discussions with him. They had to know that she was going to allege this and was going to come out somehow.

And you have to remember the history of this case and I know that you do. In the very beginning, Cindy and George were all for calling the police, the smell of death, she took a shovel, all of those things. Then slowly but surely they started to back pedal because they realized that their daughter is a bad seed and they realize that their daughter is going to maybe --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: No.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: They started to back pedal to try to defend their daughter. Cindy the first thing she says on the first call is, it smells like a dead body was in the damn car, my daughter won`t tell me what is going on.

HONOWITZ: That`s what I`m telling you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Then she starts back pedaling, oh it was pizza. It was the smell of pizza, trying to protect her daughter. Now they feel betrayed, undoubtedly, because their daughter is going after them, trying to take George and Lee and obviously by association Cindy down.

Now, Aphrodite Jones, you were -- tell us about running into Cindy and George today and their mood and their feeling after this monumental day yesterday where their daughter`s defense attorney accuses George of sexually abusing her.

JONES: These people have been beaten down, there`s no doubt, by what the defense opened with. They clearly obviously know that George denied it but I could see on Cindy Anthony`s face this morning a look of complete mortification, like as though her world has crumbled apart in front of everyone and anyone who is watching this case and she knows the media interest. She sees the interest.

And she`s seeing perhaps -- perhaps there are dirty secrets, Jane, behind this family that perhaps there is a kernel of truth as to what Jose Baez is saying. And I could tell you, I could see on her face a look of, you know, fear that maybe there`s some truth to this. Maybe she allowed something to happen in her household and look the other way the way many moms do whose husbands are abusive toward children.

I mean let`s face it, Lee, her brother, was asked to take a paternity test about the baby. we do not know who the father of that baby was, Caylee --

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, but we know that it wasn`t Lee. We know that it wasn`t Lee. And the reason they asked her to take a paternity test -- let me finish for a second. The reason they asked her to take a paternity test was because of all of these ugly rumors.

I mean we cannot --

DARREN KAVINOKY, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: But Jane, wait --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Go ahead. Go ahead.

KAVINOKY: I`m sorry, please, please. We`ve got to focus on this other point, which is a very valid one. There`s got to be an explanation for that 31 days. And certainly the notion that she`s the victim of sexual abuse and sexual trauma makes for at least the kernel of a good explanation.

The problem that the defense is going to -- hang on. Let me finish the point. The problem that the defense will have is that if the only evidence they have of that is this letter, which is very vague and, as you pointed out, in conflict with what came out in the opening statement, that is something that the prosecution will use to hang them. It`s those types of inconsistencies that the defense promised --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Exactly.

KAVINOKY: -- essentially to bring forth some evidence --

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Hold on. Here is my big issue tonight: is this an outlandish defense? The defense wants the jury to believe little Caylee drowned accidentally in the family pool and that meter reader Roy Kronk stole her body and hid little Caylee`s body. And then there was this sexual assume bombshell.

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JOSE BAEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY FOR CASEY ANTHONY: This child who at 8 years old learned to lie immediately. She could be 13 years old, have her father`s (EXPLETIVE DELETED) in her mouth and then go to school and play with the other kids as if nothing ever happened. Nothing`s wrong. That will help you understand why no one knew that her child was dead.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Aphrodite Jones, were there simply one too many wild claims in one storyline? Listening to Jose Baez, I was very impressed with the first part of his opening statement. He`s right. Accidental drowning is the leading cause of accidental deaths for young children in Florida. Makes sense -- not improbably. But then he has all this other wild claims: father-son teen molesters, body snatching; it crossed the line to me. Do you think he brought back the (INAUDIBLE) on the second half of his opening?

JONES: I think you`re right, Jane. I think there were a lot of holes that he created in this story trying to cover too many points and, you know, wait a minute, so this Roy Kronk then wanted a lottery ticket out of cashing in on the body of Caylee Anthony. But what did he do with this body for all those weeks, 31 days?

There`s something about the stories that starts to crack apart and you wonder, with all of the holes that he left us with, is he going to be able to produce witnesses and testimony that is going to back any of this up? I don`t know.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Right. Anthony, Pennsylvania, you`ve been very patient -- your question or thought, Anthony.

ANTHONY, PENNSYLVANIA (via telephone): Yes. Here`s what I was thinking. Now Mr. Baez says Casey`s like incapable of showing emotion that`s why she`s out dancing and partying after her child`s dead? She`s sitting in that courtroom crying every day. I mean come on.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh. That`s a good one.

Darren Kavinoky, this guy should be a trial consultant.

KAVINOKY: Well, I`ll tell you, that`s exactly the kind of connect the dots that the defense team is hoping those jurors are not going to do. Anthony, you make a great point.

That`s exactly right. Those are the kinds of subtle inconsistencies that jurors look for and often times will hang their hat on to reach a result that they want to reach. And it`s those little things that actually turn cases.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. I`ve got to tell you --

HONOWITZ: And if the jury isn`t watching it, the prosecutor is. That`s the bottom line. A point like that, prosecutors are going to -- they`re going to come back in closing arguments and say these are all of the things that he laid out in his opening statements, all of these theories and these stories and there`s nothing to back it up and that`s the bottom line.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me tell you something Stacey.

KAVINOKY: He better deliver on those promises or he`s got a real problem.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`ve all studied this case. I was talking to a bunch of people who haven`t really studied it. They are kind of like the jurors. And a lot of them that I spoke to yesterday were like, well, that`s kind of -- that kind sounds pretty interesting to me. They were buying a lot of it. So we`re going to have to see.

Thank you, expert panel.

Exclusive new video of Caylee Anthony`s 2nd birthday, coming up; see it for the very first time on Nancy Grace in just under 20 minutes.

Plus, all the latest developments in this case; it`s at the top of the hour. We are all over the Casey Anthony case.

And nobody does it like Oprah; the queen of talk wrapping up her show today after 25 unbelievable years. You`re going to see the highlights and we`re going to show you them next of what she said on her final, final, final show.

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DR. PHIL MCGRAW, HOST, "DR. PHIL": This is so out of her comfort zone, you have no idea. If you`ve ever watched the pattern of her shows, it`s always about the other person. She is so selfless in the way she does her show this is hard for her to be the center of attention.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: After 25 years, it all came down to today, the big one, the final hour of the Oprah Winfrey show. People have been speculating for months now about how she would end it and what we got was unlike anything anybody expected.

Yesterday in Chicago, a hand-picked audience lined up for the thrill of a lifetime and then when they were finally ushered in, Oprah turned the attention on them. She held back tears as she explained how much her viewers meant to her. Listen to this.

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OPRAH WINFREY, TALK SHOW HOST: It is no coincidence that a lonely little girl who felt not a lot of love, even though my parents and grandparents did the best they could. It`s no coincidence that I grew up to feel the genuine kindness, affection, trust and validation from millions of you all over the world.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Of all the topics Oprah has covered, she admitted that there is one subject she should have talked about even more and that is sexual abuse.

Listen to this, because it`s absolutely fascinating that on her final show she opens up once again and reveals something that some people have to go to therapy for many decades to reveal, some only reveal it on their death bed or shortly before their death. We just covered a story like that a couple of seconds ago right here.

Listen to this.

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WINFREY: One thing I feel I was not able to bring enough attention to, although I tried in 217 shows, was the sexual seduction, molestation, and rape of children. Worse now with the Internet than it was 25 years ago when I first spoke publicly in November 1986 of my own sexual abuse.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oprah was one of the first broadcasters to lift the veil on sexual abuse. Going out to Bevy Smith, pop culture commentator, why did she choose to discuss -- what happened to Oprah sexually in terms of her abuse and why did she choose to really dive into that on this final show?

BEVY SMITH, POP CULTURE COMMENTATOR: I think that Oprah used this final show as a real platform to really announce to the world that even though she`s not going to be on our TV screens every single day, that this is something that she`s devoted to, to speaking out against, child sexual abuse, and she felt it was a mandate of hers --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What happened to her?

Well, she was actually sexually abused by family members and also by friends of the family. So it was people that were close to her. It wasn`t like it was stranger off the street. So she knows about the dangers of having somebody in your home in that you trust but then turns around and actually molest your child.

She`s been really diligent about these things and that`s why she uses the term sexual seduction. Because that`s what it is.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oprah could have interviewed anybody in the world for her final show. She chose not to. In fact only one celebrity merited special mention. Check this out.

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WINFREY: Thank you, Tyler, and every man who had the strength to stand up for the little boy inside him.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, that was Tyler Perry who last year revealed that he, too, was a survivor of sexual abuse.

Jawn Murray, what do you know about this case and why, of all people, of all of the Tom Cruises and the Tom Hanks and all of the famous people, why does she choose this particular individual for her final show?

JAWN MURRAY, ENTERTAINMENT COLUMNIST: Well, because Tyler Perry has become one of Oprah`s closest friends and this show was really her ultimate master class. I mean she talked about the abuse. She talked a lot about God and her faith. She talked about the keys to success and she still emphasized her greatest point ever, which is living your best life.

And so she did a master class on her own network, OWN, but what she did today was probably the best teaching lesson some of her viewers will ever get.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, Bevy Smith, what is in the future for Oprah? Give us a taste.

SMITH: Well, we all know that she`s going to go on vacation. She says she`s coming back around mid-June, and she`s going to dive into the heavy load of really pulling OWN together, her network. And, you know, she`s got a lot of great shows coming down the pike. So we`re all excited to see what is going to happen next.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, we`re going to talk about that. Stay right where you are. What is next for Oprah? More analysis and more of what she, herself, said on her final show, you`ll hear it.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I sat right on the side of Stedman. And also Gayle was on the other side of there and Maria Shriver. In the back of me was BB Wynan (ph) and Cecile Tyson was right on the other side. I mean Tyler Perry was there. Maria -- oh, some of everybody. She had so many guests.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: She was one of the lucky audience members who scored a seat at Oprah`s final show. It`s true, there were a lot of famous faces in the audience, but celebrities were definitely not the focus.

Here is how she signed off on her final show.

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WINFREY: I won`t say good-bye. I`ll just say, "Until we meet again." To God be the glory.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow. Ok. Jawn Murray, let`s not get morose here. I mean this is one of the most successful women in the history of humankind. She`s got her own network where she`s got some shows. Sure, it`s always going to be a ratings challenge starting a new network.

But she has the Shania Twain show and there`s also a lot of buzz that she`s going to give Maria Shriver her own show. What do you know?

MURRAY: Well, let me tell you. What she really wanted to say was, I won`t say good-bye, but I`ll see you on cable.

I mean OWN had a huge start Jane. It slowed down a little bit but they do have some good shows. I love the Gayle King show, you know. The Judds are always good for TV. The network needs some developing, it needs restructuring. And she`ll be able to give it attention.

I`m sure Maria Shriver is one of the top contenders to be on there. Everybody and their mother want to sign her up right now. But OWN isn`t going anywhere. A new network always has a few road bumps and Oprah`s going to make sure that it`s a success.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Yolanda, Puerto Rico, your question of thought Yolanda?

YOLANDA, PUERTO RICO: Yes, I`m from Puerto Rico. Thanks a lot to Oprah because when she helped me so much. When she first came out with the program of sexual abuse, I always thought I was the only one. And thanks for her, you know, talking about it.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, bless you, Yolanda, for having the courage to speak about it here. Because there`s a saying in program, in 12 steps, you`re only as sick as your secrets.

And Bevy I think that was the secret to her success, she didn`t have secrets from the audience that we knew of.

SMITH: No, she really didn`t. She was the best friend that you never had, the aunty, the mother. You know, she was the best teacher that you ever had. And she really enveloped us and her life and really made us feel at home and always felt like, you know, she`s not judging us.

Whatever we told Oprah was in total confidence and she shared with us and it was a really reciprocal relationship. And I think that`s what she was really stressing today on that show as well. She talked about the fact that everything that she`s given us, we`ve given it right back to her. It was really a reciprocal relationship. And I think that that`s the secret to her success that she gave as good as she got.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You didn`t get the sense she was on TV. She was just a person in your living room having a conversation with you.

SMITH: Exactly.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`ve got to say, this was my favorite moment of the entire thing. Check this out. It involves maybe her very most precious relationship ever. Check it out.

Hello. We`ve got -- oh, we don`t have it. All right. Well, we`re going show you then Oprah`s finale. She had a chance to reflect on how much she empowered people and encouraged them to speak out. I`ve got to say that, Oprah, we love you and we wish you the best success in the world. Go get them.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was there ever a time when you were at Fusion with the defendant that she participated in a contest?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What type of contest was that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was a hot body contest.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Whether you agree with the defense claims that Caylee Anthony accidentally drowned or the prosecution`s claim that she was murdered, both sides are now saying she died around June 16, 2008.

Witnesses testified Casey`s behavior did not change at all one iota after that time. She was still going out partying, having a good time. But that`s a double-edged sword. It could lead you to believe either Casey is a cold-blooded killer or she was so tormented by alleged sexual abuse she was trained to react in bizarre ways to traumatic experiences. Is Casey demented because she`s a victim or a murderess? That`s what jurors will have to decide.

Up next, see it for the first time on Nancy Grace, new exclusive video of Caylee Anthony`s second birthday.

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