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Casey Rejects Visit from Mom

Aired July 8, 2011 - 19:00:00   ET



JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST (voice-over): You have a "Justice for Caylee" sign. Why did you decide to come down here today?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To be a voice for Caylee. I`m outraged at the verdict. I believe in our justice system, but this time I believe it`s failed us.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I do not want Casey Anthony to actually make money off of her daughter`s death.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Justice for Caylee! She was left in a swamp. Nobody there to defend her. And we`re out here to say Caylee, we remember you. We will stand up for you, even when the jury failed you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: This gentleman is outside the area where the protesters are supposed to be, and he`s saying essentially that he thinks it`s fair and he`s not upset with the verdict, and he`s not upset with the sentencing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tell me about your sign here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Casey, will you marry me?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is this a legitimate proposal to Casey Anthony?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. Just let her know -- let her know, hey, I`m available.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She definitely didn`t deserve the death penalty or to be locked up longer than she is. So justice was served.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The prosecution had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she committed this crime, and they failed -- and they failed to do so in this process. So a jury of her peers proved that she was innocent. She wasn`t sentenced to the death penalty by law, but I feel like publicly she has.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think the court system just messed up, and I just think she should get more time than a year or two.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think that it`s not right what she`s getting.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Really. Because she obviously didn`t do the murder, because that`s what the jury said.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The judge did what he had to do. The judge went on the sentencing of the jury, and the jury said she wasn`t guilty of the first. So he only had the lying and could only do the maximum sentence there.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Is there any comfort in the fact that she`s not getting out today?



VELEZ-MITCHELL: Casey slaps down her own mother.

Good evening, everybody. I`m Jane Velez Mitchell, coming to you live from Orlando, Florida. Another stormy evening here in Orlando. Oh, it`s clearing up a little bit. But boy, it was -- I was drenched several times today. Let`s just put it that way.

Also, a storm of controversy continues. It was right at this very moment, 7 p.m. Eastern, that Cindy Anthony had hoped to meet with her daughter. But, are you sitting down? Casey said, "Unh-uh, don`t want to see you, Mom. Not a chance." Cindy put in the request for a jailhouse visit, but Casey declined to see her own mother. OK? She rejects her mom after Cindy fell on her sword for Casey during the criminal trial.


JOSE BAEZ, ATTORNEY FOR CASEY: Do you recall in March of 2008, you doing any types of searches for any items that might include chloroform?

CINDY ANTHONY, MOTHER OF CASEY: Yes. And I started looking up "chloroform" -- I mean "chlorophyll," and then that prompted me to look up "chloroform."


VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s why a lot of people think Cindy actually perjured herself for her daughter by insisting that she, not Casey, did those sinister Internet searches. And this is how Casey repays her mom? Are you kidding me?

Well, maybe Cindy can try again next week, because the big news we`ve got tonight is Casey`s release has been delayed. That`s right, new calculations from Orange County officials have delayed her release date to July 17. Mark it on your calendars. That`s a week from Sunday.

But can we believe that? I just talked to a couple of just-released prisoners because I was outside the jail all day. You will not believe what they told me. I`m going to get to that in a second.

When and where exactly where they release Casey? Sit tight, I`m going to break it down for you in just a few minutes. All right.

Meantime, so much news today. The attorneys for Zenaida Gonzalez, this lady, the real Zanny, want Casey in their offices, 10 a.m. on the Tuesday after her release. They have scheduled a videotaped deposition with Casey Anthony, which -- in which case Casey will have to speak, OK? She`s been acquitted, so she can`t plead the fifth anymore, "Sorry, I can`t speak on the grounds that it might incriminate me." She`s been acquitted. She can`t take the fifth. But will she show up? Or will Casey already be far, far away by that time?

And what else is on Casey`s agenda? Like it or not, Casey is a celebrity now. She is pretty. She is young. She is sexy. Let`s be real. Let`s acknowledge the truth about this. These are the things that Hollywood values the most. So we`re asking tonight, is a reality show on the horizon? Or some are saying a book deal.

But let`s face it: what could she say that hasn`t been said that has not already been made part of the public record? And who would believe a tell-all written by the most infamous liar on the entire planet?

This woman is such a skilled con artist that even she fooled her boyfriend`s roommate, Nate Lezniewicz, who is here with us tonight. But let`s hear from him first.


NATE LEZNIEWICZ, TONY LAZZARO`S ROOMMATE: I asked her specifically one day standing in the kitchen, "Hey, where`s Caylee been lately? We haven`t seen her around." And not to be mean or anything, I said it jokingly, I said, "I`m starting to think you don`t have a child. Like, did you borrow her from somebody?"


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Where do you think Casey is going to end up? OK, look. I was in the rain all day so I`m going to do this, and I`m hoping it sticks. Jean Casarez over there laughing, because she`s going through the exact same thing. We`ve both been in the rain all day, coming out in the rain, trying to keep our hair in one piece so we can go on television and look appropriate. So OK, there we go. I think it`s -- I`m trying not to move too much.

Give me a call: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.

All right. I`m very excited. Nate, who spent a lot of time with Casey Anthony, is right here with me on set. And he`s got some shockers about what he saw Casey do during those 31 days, because Nate was the roommate of Casey`s boyfriend at the time.

But first, Jeanne Casarez. Why did Casey not want to see her mom?

JEAN CASAREZ, CORRESPONDENT, TRUTV`S "IN SESSION": I don`t know. I don`t know. But it tells a lot, doesn`t it?


CASAREZ: It absolutely tells a lot, because we knew why she didn`t want to before the trial, because it could show in court. The jury could have seen that videotape, and they did. They saw hours of courthouse videotapes. Jailhouse videotapes. But now that`s over with. Now it`s a personal visit.

Maybe it is a psychological grooming of her. She`s not free yet, and she doesn`t feel free to do that. I don`t know. We don`t know her state of mind. But it was an intentional decision, it appears.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: "Sorry, mom. No, we`ve just gone through the trial of the century together, but no, I don`t want to see you." Wow.

This wasn`t the first time Casey`s blown off her mom. No, not at all. Back in May, Cindy paid a visit to the jail, despite the fact that she was told Casey would not see her. And there she is being the good mom, showing unconditional love. Casey reportedly got some money from her mom, yes. Cindy left money in Casey`s account and then left without seeing her daughter.

OK, late -- Nathan Lezniewicz -- we`ll call you Nate -- are you shocked by the fact that Casey would not see her mom today?

LEZNIEWICZ: Actually, I`m not shocked at all. I think at this point, Casey is looking at freedom. She`s walking away from this. I think a lot of the time she spent over at Tony`s could have been attempt to maybe not be at home so much, not be around her parents so much.

But I think at this point, she`s going to try to ride this wave as far away from her parents as humanly possible and leave it at that. I don`t think that she`s ever going to want anything to do with them again.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You were the roommate of Tony Lazzaro. Tony Lazzaro was dating Casey Anthony during those infamous 31 days when the child now, we know, the whole world knows, was already dead. And so what`s so incredible, Nate -- and we`ve been talking for like an hour -- I`ve been -- I`ve been like, "Come on, Nate. Something. She must have done something that would reveal that her child was already dead."

LEZNIEWICZ: Nothing. Nothing.


LEZNIEWICZ: It was just life -- life as usual. She had gotten really comfortable being over there with Tony. After June 16, she was over there quite a bit more. That`s when she started staying pretty much full time.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And that`s when the child vanished. June 16.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you did notice some change?

LEZNIEWICZ: Yes, I did notice that. Because the first few weeks that her and Tony had started dating, the end of May, going into the first few weeks of June up until probably around that June 16 date, Caylee had been over a handful of times. And I had seen her. I know she had been over a couple of times when I wasn`t even at the apartment with Casey. And she was a great girl, great girl.

After that, I asked her at one point, standing in the kitchen. And I think this had to be sometime after July 4, after we were back from summer break, but before, obviously, the 15th, that I asked Casey, "Hey, Casey, where`s Caylee? Do you have a child? I`m starting to think that you`re baby-sitting her, like she`s a friend of yours child and you`re borrowing her, that you`ve been baby-sitting." Just jokingly.

And you would think that a mother dealing with the stress of her child missing or someone kidnapping her child, that would either...



VELEZ-MITCHELL: She`s already admitted the child was dead.

LEZNIEWICZ: That would have, A, either punched me in the face or, B, broken down crying after punching me in the face. Dealing with that kind of emotional stress of a missing child or a deceased child or a horrible accident...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. What did she do?

LEZNIEWICZ: Her response to me was "Oh, no, they`re at Disney World today and then they`re going to go to Cocoa Beach tomorrow" with a very, you know, smiling straight, batty-eyed face. I mean, there was...


LEZNIEWICZ: Believable.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You believed her. You joked, and you said, "I`m starting to think you don`t even have a kid." And her response, you believed her?

LEZNIEWICZ: I didn`t exactly believe that she has been with the nanny. I always kind of doubted the nanny. I always thought the nanny was Cindy and George. Like, she would talk about the nanny, but I figured the nanny was probably Cindy and George. I mean, having a full-time nanny is expensive.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, of course. That`s one of the reasons why none of it makes sense.

By the way, here`s why I think Casey Anthony refused to see her mom. OK, jailhouse videos. We`ve all seen them. If she talks to her mom, it`s going to be with a jailhouse video, and that could likely be released. And guess what? Casey undoubtedly wants to sell her story. The first exclusive interview is going to be the most important, and it`s going to be the most valuable. She doesn`t want to deflate her bidding price by saying anything to anybody when she`s not getting paid. So she`s not going to speak to her mother for many reasons, but for financial reasons she doesn`t want to deflate the value of that first exclusive interview. She think she`s going to get a big payday.

All right. I`m going to talk to Nate on the other side of that.

We`re taking your calls: 1-877-JVM-SAYS. Nate is going to take some calls from you. Give him a call: 1-877-586-7297. More with Casey`s former friend, Nate. Straight ahead.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Justice for Caylee! Justice for Caylee! Justice for Caylee! Justice for Caylee! Justice for Caylee! Justice for Caylee!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Justice for Caylee! Justice for Caylee! Justice for Caylee! Justice for Caylee! Justice for Caylee! Justice for Caylee!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Justice for Caylee! Justice for Caylee! Justice for Caylee! Justice for Caylee! Justice for Caylee! Justice for Caylee!


VELEZ-MITCHELL: I was right out there yesterday. Boy, those folks are mad.

You know, one thing that stood out to me during the trial was, especially the day that she was going to get sentenced when she was so happy. She knew she was going to get out. And we`re going to show you that videotape. Casey seems coquettish in her behavior. Look at this. She`s got her hair down flowing. She`s dressed casually. And look at this, when she -- look at this. Look, look. Look at this little exchange, just the way she -- she kind of has a little mischievous -- a mischievous side, right? Look at that face. That`s a mischievous kind of coquettish face. I`m not saying she`s flirting with anybody. I`m saying that`s her nature. She has that flirtatiousness. Do you have -- did you notice that when you hung out with her, Nate?

LEZNIEWICZ: Yes, she`s really good with the eyes and the body language and, you know, the flashing smiles. And she enjoys male company. She likes hanging out with guys. I mean, when she was over at our apartment, it was mostly just us guys all the time, you know. When Clint was dating Maria, Maria was over there also. But after that, it was pretty much just her and, you know, the guys all the time.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And she`s a flirt?

LEZNIEWICZ: Yes, she likes to flirt. I mean, 22-year-old, flirting. She likes to do the -- you know, throw the eyes, the casual grins. You know, like you said, the playing with the hair.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Do you think she was -- look, she met Tony Lazzaro in may, right?

LEZNIEWICZ: The end of May, correct.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And then, that`s not -- by June, she`s already living with him and staying there every night? Do you think she fell madly in love with him? And that that could have been a motive for murder?

LEZNIEWICZ: Whether it could have been -- I guess, since we don`t really know, it could have been a motive for murder. I`m pretty sure that she, from what I saw, she was happy being there all the time with Tony. She was happy all the time with Tony over there. She liked being at our place and liked being with Tony.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. I know -- I know what you`re saying. She was acquitted. She`s acquitted of murder, and we have to respect -- we have to respect the jurors` decision. But we`re trying to understand. Even by her own admission, the child was dead at that point, and she didn`t say anything about it to you or to Tony.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. So you must have felt very betrayed when you found out that the child -- in opening statements had...

LEZNIEWICZ: Had been -- had been deceased since June 16. Because I would think that, as much time as she was spending with us, she would have said something. "Hey, guys, I`m in a situation. I don`t know what to do. Hey, guys, this is what happened the other day. What am I supposed to do? A la, da da, da da."

And we would have helped her immediately, like oh, my gosh. Yes. But to just go on and just to live a normal life without saying anything, without changing any behavior or anything like that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: She never freaked out. Didn`t I hear that she had nightmares at some point?

LEZNIEWICZ: I had heard that, if I remember correctly, from Tony that she had had a few nightmares here and there. I don`t know what that conversation that took place between him and her was about with regards to the nightmares, but I did hear that she had woken up a few times in the middle of the night.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. OK. We`ve got some video, actually, of her and Tony. And I`d like to check that out, because a lot of people, I think, may have thought that, when we show this video of her and Tony, that that could have been a motive.

OK. There`s Tony. There`s your buddy. He`s a club promoter. You guys are not living in a situation where you can have a kid around. And he didn`t really want a kid around. Not because he`s not a great guy, but because...

LEZNIEWICZ: It`s not an environment for -- I mean, a college -- a male college apartment with four guys living there is not an environment for a 3-year-old child to be staying regularly over. We`re in and out all the time. We`re up late, some nights very late. It gets rowdy. And it`s a guys` college apartment.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But June 15, June 16 is when the child disappeared. You`re saying after June 16, her -- she accelerated the amount of time that she was...

LEZNIEWICZ: She was staying. Correct. It had gone from just a couple of -- just maybe one to two, maybe three times in the first couple of weeks, maybe a week. Usually the weekend type thing to, at that point, she was there in the afternoon, staying the night every night. She would leave with us in the morning and we would go to school, to go either get Caylee or go to work.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You told me that she was, like, almost psycho attached to Tony?

LEZNIEWICZ: She was very heavily attached to Tony. I mean, it was Tony, Tony, Tony. And you can see, remember, in the jail tapes, when Cindy and again, she wanted -- she was adamant about she wanted to talk to Tony. That`s all she wanted is to talk to Tony.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Do you think she could have been a sex addict?

LEZNIEWICZ: I don`t know. I mean, she`s a 22-year-old girl. She liked to flirt. She liked -- you know, I`m pretty sure she enjoyed male company. I don`t know if I would go as far to say she`s a sex addict.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`re trying to understand her.

LEZNIEWICZ: Yes, right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: There`s no -- there`s no rhyme or reason to her. She`s not an alcoholic.

LEZNIEWICZ: She`s not an alcoholic. She`s not a drug abuser.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: She`s not a drug addict. You said that you saw her maybe smoke pot a couple of times.

LEZNIEWICZ: Yes, maybe. Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And so there`s got to be a reason she had absolutely no change in her affect or demeanor after June 16, which is on the day that she acknowledges her child had died. Go ahead.

LEZNIEWICZ: And I think that it`s honestly because she was comfortable now with Tony, with being with Tony. She wanted to be with Tony. I remember Tony specifically telling her, like, "I`m graduating soon. I`m going back to New York, you know. I`m leaving." I think...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What was her reaction?

LEZNIEWICZ: At that point, I think, you know, that`s when she -- I think she did the accelerated clinginess, where she was more attached, more attached. Wanted to be there all the time, wanted to, you know -- I think that she was afraid of him -- oh, my gosh, he`s graduating.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did she hate her mom?

LEZNIEWICZ: Every time that she would talk about her mom, it sounded like they had a rough relationship. It sounded like they were always arguing. She would leave the house every time.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Nate, thank you so much.

LEZNIEWICZ: You`re very welcome.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You`re fantastic. Thank you.

More now...


VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`re trying to figure out where in the heck Casey Anthony is going to go when she`s released and, in fact, when will she be released. First they said it was going to be next Wednesday. And then it says, oh, a little recalculation. You know how you have those GPS devices that say recalculating, recalculating. That`s what the officials are doing. They recalculated, July 17. That`s a week from Sunday.

I want to go out to Jim Moret, who`s the chief correspondent for "Inside Edition."

Jim, we`ve all seen sheriff`s officials from New York to L.A. change release dates because the key here is to see that this woman gets out of their hands without having any problems, given the notoriety of this case, given all the threats. And it wouldn`t shock me if they -- they pull something and she gets out at a different time than what they say is the official release date.

JIM MORET, CORRESPONDENT, "INSIDE EDITION": Boy, what a heavy responsibility for them, too, Jane. I mean, look at the people outside the courthouse and people across the country who hate this woman, some of whom even threatened this woman.

You know, I was looking over some figures today, and these figures were shocking. Three hundred thousand people or more endorsed a Facebook page who think the verdict was wrong. A hundred and eighteen thousand people support the "I want to slap Casey Anthony" page.

How many people support her? Six hundred, 617.

Look, there`s an overwhelmingly amount of hatred. So -- so when you talk about security, it`s foremost on the minds of authorities. No question about it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, you remember the whole Paris Hilton thing. And you and I both covered that. Paris Hilton was first released from jail quietly in the middle of the night. And...

MORET: Nobody wanted to kill Paris Hilton. Jane -- Jane, nobody threatened Paris Hilton with bodily harm. You have people outside the courthouse who hate her and want to do whatever they can to make sure they gets what they perceive -- she gets what they perceive as justice. And that`s the danger in this case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, absolutely. I`ve got to say, and I`m going to play this in a little bit. I was at the jail all day. And of course, officially, Casey Anthony is in the Orange County jail, but all the inmates would come out and one after another, I ask them what`s going on in there. And they say, "Oh, Casey is already gone." They told me Casey is already gone; she`s not there. And I`m not saying I believe them, but they`re telling me that`s what the guards are telling them. So I think the guards might be telling that to them to kind of throw them off.

I want to ask you a quick question. Do you really think that Casey is going to become a millionaire?

MORET: You know, I`ve actually changed my view on this, and I`ll tell you why. Initially a couple of days ago, there was an offer from Vivid Entertainment for her to appear in a porn film. That was withdrawn. Why? Because Vivid`s customers basically said, "We don`t want to see her in porn."

Then there was a reported offer from Jerry Springer`s show for $1 million. That was withdrawn. Even her attorney signed with Paradigm Agency. That offer was withdrawn. Nobody apparently wants to be anywhere near them.

That`s not to say she won`t get a book deal. That`s not to say people won`t pay to see her, but I don`t think -- look, I can`t imagine her going to a supermarket without her being accosted. Can you, Jane?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: No. And I want to explain. I`ve gotten a call from a source very close to the defense, and I`m going to explain the whole Paradigm thing on the other side of the break.

Great to see you, Jim. You`re always all over everything.



JUDGE BELVIN PERRY, PRESIDED OVER CASEY ANTHONY TRIAL: All four counts to run consecutive to each other, giving you credit for the time that you have previously served.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her daughter died and she plans to get out of jail and make a buck, make a movie, make all kinds of money. It`s given her, her bella vita life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`ll get her judgment; some day, when she passes away.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Anytime she comes out is too soon for me. Ok? What she did was a disgrace. To all -- not just Caylee -- but all innocent children in the world.

CROWD: Justice for Caylee. Justice for Caylee. Justice for Caylee.

LAWSON LAMAR, STATE ATTORNEY, ORANGE COUNTY, FLORIDA: For us, the case has never been about the defendant in particular. It has always been about seeking justice for Caylee and speaking on her behalf.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Without a shadow of a doubt, she did it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She said she`s innocent, so everyone just needs to leave her alone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I believe all these people right here will kill Casey if they had a chance.


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST: Breaking news tonight, Cindy Anthony, rejected by her own daughter. Yes, by Casey Anthony. If Cindy had gotten her wish, she would probably be visiting with Casey Anthony right now in the Orange County Jail.

Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, coming to you live from Orlando; another stormy day here. And the storm of controversy continues around in this case.

Casey Anthony has turned down her mother for a visit tonight. Can you believe that? You think that Casey would show some appreciation, some gratitude for Cindy. A lot of people believe Cindy perjured herself in order to save her daughter`s life, saying she`s the one who did those sinister Internet searches. You could file that under no good deed goes unpunished.

We`ve got a lot to tell you about. It seems that authorities here in Florida miscalculated Casey`s release date. That`s right. The big news tonight: Casey Anthony`s freedom has been pushed back. Ok.

She was supposed to be freed next Wednesday. And now she`s not going to be freed until a week from Sunday, July 17. Some are saying -- and I have my suspicions that this could be a ploy to throw off the media, right, because this is not a popular woman. Some people call her the most hated woman in America.

Imagine, God forbid, we don`t want anything to happen to her. And authorities don`t want anything to happen to her. They want to get her out and away, out of their lives. Without incident, that`s the most important thing.

And there`s the question of where on earth could she go? Where on earth could she go? The never-ending drama comes as great legal minds debate what happened. Was Jose Baez a genius? How did he get Casey off?

All right. I want to go straight out to my very special guest. I`m so delighted, delighted to have with me tonight Tom Mesereau who was the defense attorney who defended very successfully, Michael Jackson in the child molestation trial. And I was there. I watched Tom Mesereau and I always said, if I`m ever in legal trouble, I`m going to call Tom Mesereau. I want him on my speed dial.

This has so many parallels Tom to Michael Jackson. So many people during the Michael Jackson criminal trial said he`s going to get convicted, he`s going to get convicted. It`s all over. And he was acquitted of everything. Your thoughts.

TOM MESEREAU, DEFENDED MICHAEL JACKSON IN MOLESTATION CASE: Thank you for the invitation. It`s good to be on your show Jane.


MESEREAU: There are some parallels. The media was very stacked against Michael Jackson from day one. They did nothing but try and report salacious information about him.

I was attacked in my jury selection. I was attacked for the way I gave an opening statement, like Mr. Baez was. I made promises. I assumed burdens of proof. I made very specific representations. I was attacked to the end for allegedly not fulfilling all of my obligations.

There was a lot of reporting about what was said on direct examination and little reporting about what happened on cross-examination. And you have to stay focused. You have to forget the media. You have to focus on 12 people and a judge. They`re the ones who are going to really decide what happens.

And I ignored the media as best I could. I was in bed very early every evening; up at 3:00 every day. You couldn`t find me in a restaurant or a bar. I knew where to focus and that was the courtroom.

I think Mr. Baez did the same thing. I think he just ignored the silly, jealous, immature pundits who were dissecting everything he did in a very immature way. And in the end, he had the last laugh. He got the job done and I commend him for it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I think people who are in the media vortex, and we`re here talking about it, we forget that the jurors aren`t hearing any of that. They`re having a completely different experience about this trial than we are, would you say?

MESEREAU: Well, the jurors in Jackson were not sequestered; they were in this case. Nevertheless, I think jurors take their job very, very seriously.

First of all, they`re under oath. People who watch TV are not under oath. Ok. They`re under oath because they have a life in their hands. They know what they`re being asked to do to a human being and the family and people around that human being. In this case, it was a death penalty case.

They also know that they are under oath to follow the judge`s instructions at all times, to listen very carefully and intently to what is said, to watch how it`s said, to observe these witnesses very, very intuitively, instinctively with every power they have. And their perspective is a very responsible one and a very serious one. They`re not voyeurs just turning on into television.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: If you had to -- we have 20 seconds -- what was the biggest mistake the prosecution made?

MESEREAU: I think they were arrogant. I think they were absolutely cocksure that they were going to win this case. I think the laughing prosecutor was a disgrace. That`s exactly what jurors don`t want to see in here.

I think the defense were humble and professional and decent and they knew how to communicate with the jury. Let`s face it they picked a good jury, too. I wasn`t in the courtroom but clearly they picked a jury that was receptive to their arguments and they won the case hands down.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Tom, I`m so delighted to have you on tonight. And it`s great to see you again. I saw one of the best attorneys at work when I saw you representing Michael Jackson. And please come back very soon.

MESEREAU: Thank you very much, Jane. I really enjoyed it.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Thank you. Me, too.

Tomorrow night, a "NANCY GRACE" special: a two-hour event. Nancy has followed the Casey Anthony case from the very start. From the day little Caylee disappeared to the day Casey was found not guilty. And now I`m going to give you a sneak peek at "Justice for Caylee", a "NANCY GRACE" special airing tomorrow night at 9:00 Eastern right here on HLN.


NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST, "NANCY GRACE": Cindy Anthony, a woman, caught in the middle of one of the most horrific stories of our time; a doting grandmother to toddler Caylee and a mother who blows the whistle on her own daughter, tot mom Casey Anthony.

CINDY ANTHONY, MOTHER OF CASEY ANTHONY: I started missing Caylee June 16. So, yes, I miss Caylee every day when I went to work.

DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST, "DR. DREW": For me, Cindy is the most sympathetic character in the entire proceeding. She behaves in a manner in which I would expect someone to behave who had lost a child.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: One of the reasons why everybody is so fascinated with this trial is that it really goes to the heart of family dynamics and a mother-daughter relationship.

CINDY ANTHONY: Can I ask you for a favor? Can you turn --

LINDA DRANE-BURDICK, LEAD PROSECUTOR: Only the judge can give favors.

CINDY ANTHONY: Sir, can I have her take the screen down? I can`t --


ANTHONY: -- look at my granddaughter without getting upset and I`m trying very hard not to cry.


RYAN SMITH, HOST, "IN SESSION": I think on the one hand, this is a mother who is conflicted about doing anything negative to her daughter. On the other hand, there`s an undercurrent of anger there. There`s an undercurrent of frustration that I think you can see with Cindy on the stand.

PINSKY: I think the prosecution had Cindy describe the last time she saw Caylee to really set up a time line and also to appeal to the emotionality of this case.

CINDY ANTHONY: One of the times that I walked into the room, Casey was sitting on the floor crying and I overheard her tell Lee that Caylee had been gone for 31 days and that Zanny had taken her.

DRANE-BURDICK: How did you respond to that?

CINDY ANTHONY: I lost it. I just went into the room and started yelling at Casey and said what do you mean she`s been gone? Why didn`t you tell me? I swore at her and hit the bed. I ran out and called the police again.

VINNIE POLITAN, HLN HOST, "PRIME NEWS": To me, the most important part of the prosecution case was nothing that she said on the witness stand, it`s just who she was on that witness stand. She was a grandmother reliving the worst day of her life.

GRACE: Be sure to watch "Justice for Caylee", a special "NANCY GRACE" event Saturday July 9, 9:00 p.m. sharp Eastern on HLN.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They told me that Casey had already been release and the news crews were standing out here to be disappointed.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s interesting because you are the second or third inmate to tell me the same thing. What do you think is up? Because you know how these guys operate. Do you think they`re going to pull a fast one? Maybe she`s already gone?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I feel like the fast one`s already been pulled; that she`s already gone so that there wasn`t too much of a commotion.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: I spoke to that man who was just released from the Orange County jail because I was outside the Orange County jail all day today. That`s where Casey supposedly is. I think we have some shots of the jail. It`s a huge facility.

Now the guards -- and I know this because there were a couple of guys who walked out who were released over time. And I asked every single one of them, what`s going on? And they all said oh, Casey is out already.

And I`m not saying Casey`s out. I`m saying that they`re saying that guards are telling them that Casey is out. To me, Michael Christian, that indicates that they may be trying to throw the media off. And I`m not sure that she`s going to be released on the day that they say which is July 17th.

MICHAEL CHRISTIAN, SENIOR FIELD PRODUCER, "IN SESSION": I don`t think we`re going to know Jane. I don`t think we`re going to know until after it`s happened. These guards want to protect her, but they also want to basically be rid of her. They are terrified that something will happen to her while she`s in their custody. They can`t have that. They would be absolutely crucified if that happened.

They don`t particularly care -- and I don`t mean to be flippant but if she crossed the street and was run over by a bus, that`s not they`re problem as long as she`s not in their custody.

So they want to make absolutely sure that nothing happens to her until she`s out on her own and then she truly is on her own.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I want to go straight out to Lisa Bloom, the author of the new book, "Think: Straight Talk for Women to Stay Smart in a Dumbed-Down World" -- perfect title for this saga. Lisa -- I got this one hair the whole day. It`s been falling down -- it`s a stormy weather here in Orlando and a stormy controversy coast to coast.

A lot of people are predicting Lisa that Casey Anthony is going to end up in the city of the angels, Los Angeles, as they say. And they`ve even come up with a list of characters for the Casey Anthony movie. And here`s some of the characters that are being cast as key players. George Anthony, John O`Hurley (ph), ok, from "Seinfeld" -- you know John O`Hurley from "Seinfeld". Cindy Anthony -- and we`re going to show you these, Mary Kay Place. You`re going to get a chance to see all of these. Jose Baez, Andy Garcia. And we`re going to do one more. The lead, Casey Anthony played by "Twilight" actress Kristen Stewart, ok?

I`m going to run through those again. There we go. Look at that. John O`Hurley -- George Anthony. Now we`re going to move to the next. Cindy Anthony, oh ok, guess what? It`s not working. But you get the idea.

Lisa Bloom, has Hollywood entered the equation?

LISA BLOOM, ATTORNEY: Well, it surely has. And I`m sure there will be book deals and there will be film deals. And we certainly hope Casey Anthony is not going to profit from the death of her daughter. If others make a film, I guess that`s their right. There have been a lot of films made about a lot of true crime stories and there always will be.

I don`t necessarily have a problem with that. But if indeed she committed a crime -- and she did at least commit four misdemeanors that she was found guilty of. She ought not profit from it. I think we can all agree on that.

I also think, by the way, that we do have to protect her safety and I think she should be concerned about mob justice. Vigilantism and mob justice is wrong in this country and I hope nobody`s planning on engaging in anything like that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, one person whose book I would read is Jose Baez. I mean he pulled off a legal coup. You have to admit that the results show it was a brilliant strategy; his shocking opening statement. And I don`t have a problem with him writing a book and a for-profit book and I would read it.

And by the way, a source close to the defense called me and said the reason that the talent agent dropped Jose -- because everybody is saying he can`t even get a talent agent -- is not because he was dumped but because the talent agent represents a famous person in the news media who`s very upset, this is according to my source, that that person did not get -- that he did not get the exclusive interview with Jose Baez, the first exclusive interview. And therefore it became political and they had to walk away.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: This is what I find so amazing is that -- go ahead Lisa. This is Hollywood. Hollywood has entered the equation.

BLOOM: This is the way it works here in Hollywood, Jane. And I`m sure that you`re aware of that and people who are here in Hollywood. Look, the big fish get what they want. And if you`re a big shot you don`t want your agent representing somebody that you feel that snubbed you. The little guy is the one who`s going to get dropped. But Jose Baez is going to be fine.

He reminds me a lot of the "Lincoln Lawyer", by the way. If you read that book, or seen that film -- kind of a down on his luck guy but who`s smart and he goes against the odds and takes on a case that nobody believes in. And Jose Baez did do a good job. I don`t think, frankly, he was particularly clever or brilliant, but he hammered away at reasonable doubt. And that`s ultimately what the jurors found.



BLOOM: But he did not give up. He also assembled a good team around him. He didn`t try to do the whole thing himself.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. Mark Nejame, 20 seconds.

I personally don`t think anybody`s going to give Casey a lot of money after that first exclusive interview. That one will get a lot of money right.

MARK NEJAME, FORMER ATTORNEY FOR CINDY AND GEORGE ANTHONY: Yes, there`s going to be a hit initially. And then I think that there`s going to be a lot of boycotts. I think there`s going to be a lot of outrage. I think there`s going to be a lot of people that are going to boycott anybody that publishes or produces or anything along those lines. I think there`s a public outrage and I think it`s going to carry over economically.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. A song on the other side for little Caylee.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: More people than ever are mourning for little Caylee. And now a country song has been released in her memory. Listen.



VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s a beautiful song. On the other side of the equation, people are sending Casey cash in jail. She`s gotten three checks totaling $40 so she can buy junk food behind bars according to Wesh (ph). It is all over the map.

But Michael, you say there are some places she can go where she won`t be pilloried?

CHRISTIAN: You know, everyone talks about how she needs to change her name or dye her hair or get some plastic surgery. And if she was going to stay in Orlando or central Florida, I would say that`s absolutely right Jane. But she`s not going to stay here. She doesn`t want to stay here.

There are places in this country; Miami comes to mind, New York, Los Angeles; where she could go and she would be ok because she`s a celebrity. And in some of those places, the celebrity fact itself is more important than the underlying fact of how you got that celebrity. They don`t care if you`re a celebrity for a bad reason as long as you`re a celebrity.

Being a celebrity in Los Angeles hasn`t hurt Lindsay Lohan, even though we all know some of the things that she`s done. We`ve seen it before. We saw it with O.J. after he was acquitted; he was still a celebrity. Celebrity trumps everything in some places and she would be fine in those places.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. But I think Mark Nejame, to your point, she might get there, but will she get, for example, a reality show?

I mean we even saw Vivid Entertainment which is a porn company withdraw their offer because they were getting such negative feedback about offering her money to do porn.

NEJAME: And I think that speaks to her saleability. The reality of it is who really wants her? This is -- respectfully, you`ve got Lindsay Lohan you might have issues of drugs or alcohol. Here you have much of the country believing that she has something to do, if not all to do, with her baby`s death. That takes it to a new level.

I don`t know of any celebrities at that level. And how can you believe anything that she might put out?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But maybe all she needs is that whatever, million dollar offer for first interview, and, of course, the big media companies never pay for the interview. They pay for the licensing of video or she`ll have some video or photographs. And then that will give her a certain amount of money.

I agree with you, I don`t think she`s going to run into a lot of cash after that. And then you have all those lawsuits that are coming after her. And the investigators are coming after her to recoup --


NEJAME: And a lawsuit that she`s already been served on before she left jail. You have a lot of these things mounting up. And if she were to write a book, I mean, who would read it? Who would believe it? If she wrote a book, would it go in fiction or the non-fiction section of the bookstore? Who is going to -- who is going to buy that? And who would believe anything that comes from her?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And, Lisa Bloom, I have to say, -- I`m going to give you the last word -- they can do a made-for-TV movie with the facts in this case. They don`t have to pay her a cent, right Lisa?

BLOOM: Yes, absolutely. They can because it is all public knowledge at that and a public domain. But I think Casey Anthony is going to go on being the woman that she is. She has no marketable skills as far as I know. She`s obviously a terrible mother because even if you believe the defense theory, she ignored the fact that her daughter died for 31 days and went out partying.

I don`t know what she can do with her life. I predict that she will reoffend and she`ll be back in jail. It will be just like O.J. -- mark my words.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Stay with HLN. We`re counting down to Casey Anthony`s final release. I`m going to be here in Orlando next week.

Final thoughts in a moment.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Where is Casey Anthony going to pop up? Starting with Mark Nejame -- 20 seconds.

NEJAME: I think she`s going to -- if she`s smart, she`ll wait awhile. She`ll let this calm down, cool down; allow some of the media attention go away and then come up in a rather -- place like a grocery store or something like that. What I`m saying like that -- so that she`s a normal person.

Or she`s going to come out with a big statement. It has to be one or the other.


CHRISTIAN: I also agree that she`s going to lay low for a while. She should lay low for a while. I predict she`ll end up either in New York or Los Angeles; I`m probably leaning toward Los Angeles at this point.

But again Mark is absolutely right, if she`s smart, she`ll lay low for a while.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: She`ll going to pop up in L.A. and the paparazzi is going to get her out partying. That`s my prediction. I bet you TMZ is going to get the first shot and they`re going to show her dirty dancing in a blue dress.

NEJAME: I changed my mind. I agree with you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Nancy Grace is up next.