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ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Where Will Casey Go When Released?

Aired July 11, 2011 - 19:00:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, Casey Anthony free in just six days. Players in this baffling case are coming forward. First, I take private eye and trial witness Jim Hoover to the very site where Caylee`s remains were found, and you won`t believe what he has to say.

(on camera) September 2008, he`s telling you that the body is here?

(voice-over) Then Casey Anthony`s attorney, Ann Finnell, drops a bomb.

ANN FINNELL, CASEY ANTHONY`S ATTORNEY: Clients oftentimes can tell you some pretty crazy stories, but when the version that they tell fits the facts and seems to weave in fairly well, you have a tendency to put more stock in what your client says.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did the defense have their doubts about Casey`s story? We`re live from Orlando, and we`re taking your calls.

ISSUES starts now.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: You have a "Justice for Caylee" sign. Why did you decided to come down here today?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To be a voice for Caylee. I`m outraged at the verdict. I believe in our justice system, but this time I believe it`s failed us.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I do not want Casey Anthony to actually make money off her daughter`s death.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Justice for Caylee! She was left in a swamp. Nobody there to defend her. And we`re out here to say Caylee, we remember you. We will stand up for you even when the jury failed you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: This gentleman is outside the area where the protestors are supposed to be. And he`s saying, essentially, that he thinks it`s fair, and he`s not upset with the verdict. And he`s not upset with the sentencing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tell me about your sign here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Casey, will you marry me?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is this a legitimate proposal to Casey Anthony?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. Just letting her know that -- letting her know, "Hey, I`m available."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She definitely didn`t deserve the death penalty or to be locked up any longer than she is. So justice was served.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They couldn`t prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she committed this crime. And they failed to do so in this process. So a jury of her peers proved that she was innocent. She wasn`t sentenced to the death penalty by law, but I feel like publicly she has.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think the court system is just messed up, and I just think she should get more time than a year or two.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think that it`s about right what she`s getting.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Really?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She obviously didn`t murder. That`s what the jury said.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The judge did what he had to do. Because the judge went on the sentencing of the jury, and the jury said she wasn`t guilty of first. So he only had the lying. And he could only do the maximum sentence there.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Is there any comfort in the fact that she`s not getting out today?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Just six days until Casey Anthony is unleashed upon the general public.

Good evening, everybody. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you live from Orlando, Florida, where in under a week, what is probably the most despised woman in America is dropped right back into society. The big question tonight, where will Casey Anthony go? Where can she go?

Sources tell one plan for her release is for a whole line of SUVs or other vehicles with tinted windows to leave the jailhouse all at once on Sunday, July 17, perhaps right after midnight to distract or perhaps deter people from following. You can see -- you can`t see inside those windows, OK?

But where do they go after that? Well, are they going to whisk her off to Orlando International Airport and get her the heck out of Dodge? Or perhaps they will go to one of the smaller airports. They`ve got private planes, of course. They can leave from those smaller airports.

One thing we do know: Jose Baez has now stated publicly that Casey Anthony will be leaving Orlando and probably Florida as a whole ASAP. Right away. As soon as she`s released.

But with Casey`s freedom looming on the horizon, we`ve got so many questions tonight about what exactly happened to little Caylee. The mystery remains.

I brought the Anthony family`s private investigator back to the scene of the crime today. We walked around the area where the remains were found. And that private investigator, Jim Hoover, says there are still many secrets yet to be revealed. Check it out.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Casey Anthony still has not told the total truth about what happened.

JIM HOOVER, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: Nobody in that camp has told the truth.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What do you think? Do you think they all knew?

HOOVER: I think some members kind of knew. Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Where the body was located?

HOOVER: Yes, where the body was located and that she was dead.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, now here`s an explosive question. Did anybody in the Anthony camp know where the body was the entire time?

I`m going to talk to the Anthonys` attorney in a moment, and I`m going to have more of my exclusive interview with private investigator Jim Hoover in seconds.

As for the general public, they seem to be convinced, at least the majority, that Casey did something, if not murder, then some kind of killing. Protests continue. Social media outlets are exploding with opinions.

Take a look at this guy -- we`ve got him right here -- wearing duct tape on his mouth complete with a heart-shaped sticker. These protesters want to know, how did the jury, in their opinion anyway, ignore crucial details like the duct tape and the heart-shaped sticker?

Is all this protest leading to violence? I`m sure you remember that there was a brawl, actually, outside the Orange County courthouse. Well, yesterday, a Florida man was actually arrested for punching a woman in the face after getting into an argument with her over the Casey Anthony trial. What on earth is going on? Hold it together, people.

I`m delighted to be joined right now by my very special guest, Mark Lippman, who is the attorney for George and Cindy Anthony.

Mark, first of all, where are Cindy and George tonight? Are they safe, and what about these death threats?

MARK LIPPMAN, ANTHONY FAMILY ATTORNEY: They`re safe. I`m not going to disclose their location, but the Orange County sheriff`s office has been taking care of them. And I have complete faith in their abilities.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Are they in the general -- I mean, the state of Florida?

LIPPMAN: They`re in Orlando. They`re not leaving the city. I mean, this is where their home is. And there`s no intention of leaving Orlando at any time.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now Cheney Mason has been giving interviews. I want to play a little clip of what Cheney Mason had to say about the relationship between Casey and the family and what might the future hold. Let`s listen to him, and then I`m going to get your reaction.

LIPPMAN: Sure.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is this family relationship beyond repair?

CHENEY MASON, CASEY`S ATTORNEY: I don`t know that anything is ever beyond repair, but I would say that odds are pretty strong that it is. She may have a relationship in the future with her brother at some point. I mean, expect that; don`t know when or how. But I think with the parents, that`s pretty well burned.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, what is the future of a relationship between Casey Anthony, who clearly doesn`t want to see her mom, because her mom tried to see her. Cindy, your client, tried to see her after the verdict, after the sentencing, and a wanted a jailhouse video -- visit and Casey said, "No, I don`t want to see my own mother." That had to hurt Cindy.

LIPPMAN: Of course. I mean, my client has not had physical contact with her daughter since 2008. And she wanted to see how she was doing, if this trial has really caused a lot of emotion and distress. They haven`t talked about anything. Their link and their lifeline was Jose Baez. And he continues to remain so. He hasn`t taken himself out of that position.

With Mr. Mason going on the media circles and saying that the relationship is destroyed, I`d like to hear from Casey along those lines.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Casey -- how did Cindy react to the fact that Casey did not want to see her?

LIPPMAN: She was, of course, distraught over it. And she -- they don`t want to necessarily talk about the facts of the trial or anything else. It`s a mother wanting to see her daughter after this traumatic event.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, you`ve got to deal with more continuing controversy. It never seems to end.

I did an exclusive interview today with Jim Hoover, who was the private investigator who, you know, came in and said that he felt sorry for the Anthonys. And then he got involved, and he ultimately ended up with Dominic Casey looking for the body. And he went there a month before the body was found. They didn`t find anything, but they went right to that general vicinity. And he pointed that out to me today.

So let`s listen to what he has to say and then get your reaction to that.

LIPPMAN: Sure.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Who do you think sent them here?

HOOVER: Some member of the family.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you think a member of the family knew where she was buried?

HOOVER: All I`m going to say, a member of the family sent me here.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. The bottom line is that he`s saying that he believes a member of the Anthony family knew where little Caylee was buried all along, because he claims that he was originally told back in September that that was the area to look.

LIPPMAN: I`d like him to tell me that and who he`s been talking to, because I know it wasn`t George, Cindy or Lee. So if we go along with Mr. Baez`s original defense, then we have to take all the other evidence and see where he`s getting that information from, because it doesn`t necessarily jive. George didn`t know where the body was. Cindy didn`t know where the body was. Lee didn`t know. I`m not speaking for me, but these are facts that have already been established. So if Mr. Hoover wants to say somebody knew, let him say who it was.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. We`re going to be speaking to someone else later on who also had a role as a private investigator, who has claimed that the defense actually confronted George Anthony with the molestation claims prior to the opening statements. In other words, that George knew this was coming down the pike, and he claimed that the reaction that George had left him very suspicious. I want to get your reaction to that.

LIPPMAN: Absolutely. It`s really simple. The facts that came out from what Mr. Baez said didn`t come from Mr. Baez. So I`m not sure who in the defense team is saying that they talked to my client about the sexual molestation. That came from the prosecution telling me what they were going to present. Because the defense presented this idea to the prosecution. They never said anything to us. We were lied to about what the defense was going to be. We`d been -- we were never told it was going to go along those lines. We found out from the prosecution that`s where it was going to come from, not from the defense.

So all along when I said we knew this was coming, it wasn`t from the defense. It was from the prosecution.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you`re saying that nobody from the defense ever confronted George and said, "Hey, we`ve got evidence that you molested your daughter. What`s your reaction?"

LIPPMAN: Never. Never...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Never happened?

LIPPMAN: I`ve been representing my client since January of last year. That`s never, ever come across anybody`s plate.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Do you think the prosecution handled that as well as they could, given the fact that they knew it was coming?

LIPPMAN: It was brought up probably about six weeks before the trial started. And they had to deal with it as it was presented to them. It was version 7.0 from all the evidence that had been presented about what Casey was doing and what she was alleging all along.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And that had to kill George.

LIPPMAN: He never abided by it, and certainly, we vehemently say it never happened. It never did. I mean, it just came out of left field. Don`t forget: they have Casey`s diary, and there`s never, ever any mention of that in any of the diary entries.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Our thoughts are with Cindy and George. We`re going to be right back with more explosive interviews from people right at the heart of this case. Stay right there.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Justice for Caylee! She was left in a swamp. Nobody there to defense here. We`re out here to say Caylee, we remember you. We will stand up for you even when the jury failed you!

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HOOVER: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) the argument, the fight between Casey and Cindy. It didn`t come out about the information provided to Texas EquuSearch. Information, they didn`t actually bring anyone down here to show where we actually searched for the body. The police didn`t go into the woods and look themselves. I mean, it was just a series of errors.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Today I did an exclusive interview with Jim Hoover, the private investigator who originally got involved in this case because he wanted to help Cindy and George after watching them on TV dealing with protestors on their front yard. And then he ended up going with the private investigator, Dominic Casey. You see the video that this private eye, Jim Hoover, shot in November of 2008, looking for the body with this man you see on the phone, Dominic Casey.

And the question is, who sent them there? Now Jim Hoover claims, even though Dominic Casey says that he was talking to a psychic, he feels that there was somebody else, somebody from the Anthony clan, crew, camp who sent him there and knew where the body was.

And we just heard from the Anthonys` attorney that he says that`s hogwash; that`s not true. But these are some of the mysteries that remain in this crazy story. And suffice it to say that private investigator Jim Hoover feels the jury did not get even half of the story, the real story.

Check out what he has to say.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Do you think the jurors, and by extension the public watching the trial, got the whole story?

HOOVER: Oh, no.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Do you agree with the verdict?

HOOVER: No.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Why not?

HOOVER: And just after being here, knowing all the players, no. She was responsible for the death. Whether it was intentional or accidental, she`s still responsible for the death.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. I`m here with a team of fabulous attorneys to talk about whether or not the jury got even half of the real story.

Mark Nejame, you watched the trial carefully. What do you make of this guy, Jim Hoover? He says the jury didn`t get even half the story, and he faults the prosecution and says they could have brought more in. Your reaction?

MARK NEJAME, ATTORNEY: Well, it`s easy to armchair quarterback very simply. You know, you could have heard a universal applause when the prosecution completed its case. And now people are armchair quarterbacking, picking it apart and complaining about it.

The reality of it is that both sides picked this jury, and we have to accept what the jury did. It doesn`t mean we have to like it, but we have to accept it. And we have to leave them alone.

What I don`t want to do is have a situation occur down the line where now we have jurors intimidated because they`re not making the right decision, they`re going by public opinion.

In no case do you hear all the facts. That`s the reality of it. This is simply a time when America has watched a trial. Every day and every court in America, trials go on. And not all the facts come out. Rules of evidence and matters such as that bar much from coming in.

So to sit back and armchair quarterback and criticize the prosecution, I think is just wrong and unfair. To do it over again, would they have done it differently? Of course. They`ve got a defendant found not guilty.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Stacey Honowitz, Florida prosecutor, just one easy example that everyone can relate to. There was reported a huge crime, huge crime -- shall I say, instead, a huge argument, an argument between Cindy and Casey the night before the child disappeared. And this was never brought out at trial.

In fact, the prosecution said that they went to sleep that night like nothing happened. It was a very normal night the night that they went to sleep before little Caylee disappeared. Do you think that was a mistake? Stacey Honowitz.

STACEY HONOWITZ, FLORIDA PROSECUTOR: I`m not going to say it was a mistake, because quite frankly, I don`t know what was in front of the prosecution. You`re telling me that you heard that somewhere. That`s what it is. It`s hearsay.

Certainly, the prosecution had this case for three years. If you don`t think they investigated every avenue and spoke to every witness that possibly could show or to prove that she murdered this child beyond a reasonable doubt, you`re mistaken. Because that`s what it is.

The fact of the matter is that`s what you`re trained to do, to investigate. And Mark is 100 percent right. Now we look back and say could have, would have, should have. And you can`t do it. And I don`t think that we should be doing it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But I disagree. I think you can do it. Not to criticize anybody, but to learn from the case. And so that the next time prosecutors are faced with a dry bones case with very little forensics, they have something to do; they have something to say.

All right. Will Casey reunite with her family once she gets out? We`ve got more analysis. Stay right there. We`ll be right back.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: This gentleman is outside the area where the protestors are supposed to be. And he`s saying, essentially, that he...

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FINNELL: I don`t even think that Casey really knows the entire story. I think she knows, you know, the beginning. I certainly don`t presume to know the entire story. I think that -- there`s at least one other player in this and possibly more than that. And I don`t know that we`ll ever know exactly what, you know, happened to Caylee after she drowned.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: What a shocker from Ann Finnell, one of the defense attorneys, who basically contradicts Jose Baez`s opening statement, essentially saying that she doesn`t think even Casey knows the entire story. And there`s at least one more player in this, possibly more than that. And I don`t know that we`ll ever know what exactly happened to Caylee after she drowned. What? Jayne Weintraub.

JAYNE WEINTRAUB, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I think -- I think that what Ann Finnell was saying there was very clear. I think what she was intimating was that she doesn`t know about the disposing of the body. She wasn`t part of it. Or maybe she doesn`t know everything that happened, because she wasn`t there.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That makes no sense to me.

WEINTRAUB: Well, of course...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I have to jump to Stacey Honowitz for a second, as a prosecutor. Now a defense attorney is saying, "Oh, well, after this accidental drowning that a lot of people don`t believe happened, now Casey doesn`t even know what happened after that."

Does that make any sense that she would sort of say, "OK, I`m going to go out to work at Universal. I`ve got a job to go to. You dispose of the body." I just don`t -- don`t really understand. At this point, this has become surreal, Stacey Honowitz.

HONOWITZ: Well, what I`ve been saying all along is that the fact of the matter is that jurors, I don`t think, understand reasonable doubt. And I think that the story Jeff Ashton made it quite clear, I felt, in his closing argument that, if you are thinking about this father being involved somehow in this case -- and that`s really what they were intimating, that he was the villain and he was guilty of doing everything. Then, you know, she`s not responsible for anything.

So while I understand what Jane is trying to say. She`s trying to say that the case is over and nobody knows what happened, the fact of the matter is the prosecutors had a circumstantial evidence case with all of the circumstances pointing to Casey Anthony as being the perpetrator of the crime.

So to step back now and say she didn`t really know what was happening is ridiculous. That`s the defense they put up there.

WEINTRAUB: No, it isn`t. Stacey, you`ve never represented a client.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Can`t Casey leave her dad alone? Can`t Casey leave her dad alone? I mean, it seems like she`s thrown him under the bus again by implying it`s a conspiracy.

WEINTRAUB: Not at all. She`s not throwing Jose under the bus. What she`s trying -- Jane, what she`s trying to say is that she never asked Casey Anthony and Casey Anthony never told her. She doesn`t need to know. You know, it`s not up to the defense to provide these answers for anybody, in court or out of court. It`s up to the prosecutor ...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Hold on.

WEINTRAUB: ... to prove what they have charged.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thirty seconds.

NEJAME: It`s not complicated. The reason Casey Anthony doesn`t know what happened thereafter is because she was too busy going to Blockbuster with her boyfriend, renting a movie on the night her daughter died. I mean, that`s what everybody does.

WEINTRAUB: That`s not fair. That`s not fair. And that`s, you know, whatever...

NEJAME: That`s what happened.

WEINTRAUB: How do you know that`s what happened?

NEJAME: That`s what the testimony was.

WEINTRAUB: And you don`t know what she was doing when she drowned.

NEJAME: Hold on. The reason I know is because I followed the case and I watched it, and I saw the videotape. And I saw them browsing through the aisles of Blockbuster, renting a video on the night that they claim her daughter died. That`s what everybody does when their daughter dies.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. More explosive debate, next.

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JUDGE BELVIN PERRY, PRESIDED OVER CASEY ANTHONY TRIAL: All four counts to run consecutive to each other, giving you credit for the time that you have previously served.

(CAYLEE ANTHONY SINGING)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her daughter died. If she plans to get out of jail, and make a book, make a movie, make all kinds of money, it`s giving her, her bella vita life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`ll get her judgment someday when she passes away.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Anytime she comes out is too soon for me, ok. What she did was a disgrace to all -- not just Caylee but all innocent children in the world.

CROWD: Justice for Caylee. Justice for Caylee. Justice for Caylee.

LAWSON LAMAR, STATE ATTORNEY, ORANGE COUNTY, FLORIDA: For us, the case has never been about the defendant in particular. It has always been about seeking justice for Caylee and speaking on her behalf.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Without a shadow of a doubt, she did it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They said she`s innocent, so everyone just needs to leave her alone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I believe all these people right here will kill Casey if they had a chance.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST: In just six days, Casey Anthony becomes a free woman.

Good evening, I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, coming to you live from Orlando, Florida. But free to do what? Where can Casey go where she won`t immediately be recognized?

By the way, a new poll indicates two-thirds of Americans believe she was responsible for little Caylee Anthony`s death. The jury found her not guilty, igniting a firestorm of public rage. Threats leveled against her, her family and even the jurors, which is something that I abhor.

Discussion is one thing, threats another. They have no place in our society. If you`re watching and you`re thinking about something like that, don`t do it. It`s a bad idea and it`s illegal.

Police had to create a barricade around the Anthony family home. As for Casey herself, she`s unlikely reportedly to ever return to her parents once she has sprung from jail which will happen this coming Sunday. Her lawyer, Jose Baez confirms she will be leaving Orlando quite possibly forever.

Near her parents` home at Caylee`s makeshift burial site, I interviewed today private investigator Jim Hoover, and what he said may, in fact, shock you. Check this out.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: This is where the remains were found. I want to take you down right here because this is where all the memorials are right now. Take a look at this. This is absolutely incredible. Did you search this particular area, Jim?

JIM HOOVER, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: It certainly looks different than it did November 15th because there was no water.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So why didn`t you find the body?

HOOVER: It wasn`t here. Well, we didn`t find it. I don`t believe it was here.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You still don`t believe it was here?

HOOVER: No, I don`t.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, we`re very delighted to have another private investigator with us right now, exclusively. Private I, Pat McKenna; Pat thanks for being in here.

You were hired by Linda Kenney-Baden reportedly and began working on this case right around the time that little Caylee`s remains were found. I want to get your reaction.

Now, first of all, I want to get your reaction to something that this other Private I, Jim Hoover, said today to me. He claims that he feels that the Anthony camp, that`s all he would say, knew the location of the body for a long time. And that that was one of the reasons that they were down there videotaping. And that even before that, that they had gotten clues or word that the body was in that location from the Anthony camp.

PAT MCKENNA, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: Well, I don`t know, how Mr. Hoover, where he got that information from. You`re right. I got in the case the day the remains were found. And Linda Kenney brought me in and since that day, you know, I`ve worked as a defense investigator for Jose.

I didn`t really work with Dominic or Jim. I worked with Jerry Lyons and Mort Smith from DePaul University.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: When I was talking spoke to you on the phone, I asked if you had anything new, and you said something that I found pretty significant about the molestation allegations against George. Tell me when you found out about them and whether or not you confronted any family members about them.

MCKENNA: I never confronted a family member. We thought that this had happened. This was learned by the mitigation people, I guess, and probably Jose early on in the case. I interviewed George back in `08 a good number of hours, two or three hours and, you know, I didn`t ever confront him with that.

I learned that the defense has confronted him with that. Mr. Lippman said he just got in, in January. I don`t know when they may have confronted George with that. But maybe George double-crossed Mr. Lippman.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: You said that you saw or heard something about George being confronted prior to the trial and his reaction. Tell me that. Tell me.

MCKENNA: Yes, I had heard that he was confronted with specific information, quite specific information and that he did not shout out or deny it or anything. He looked out the window for, I heard, 23 seconds. Looked back and didn`t say anything. To me, that`s significant.

George is an interesting character. This isn`t over for George, I don`t think. He`s been a master double-crosser throughout the case. He double-crossed his daughter. He double-crossed his wife, he double-crossed his mistress. He`s double-crossed law enforcement.

He double-crossed the court. He`s a former officer of the court and he committed perjury in court. He tried to double cross the jury and I think they saw through it. I don`t think this is over for George.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me say sir that we had George`s attorney, Mark Lippman on just a little while ago and I asked him about what you had told me on the phone, which you just repeated.

MCKENNA: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And he said absolutely not; that the prosecution is how they learned that George would be accused of molestation during the trial, not from the defense. And that they never -- the defense never confronted George and had that interaction where he looked down for 23 seconds. They`re saying it never happened.

MCKENNA: Well, that`s the information I learned, and I would believe that I learned it from a more credible source than where Mr. Lippman learned his information.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok, well, I have to say that this is part of the problem with this case. Jim Hoover said that the jury didn`t even get half the story. And now we have all these controversies that continue about this family, constantly plagued with new questions and mystery.

I personally have never seen anything like it. Isn`t it time now, Pat to let bygones be bygones? She`s gotten what she wanted. She got acquitted. Isn`t it time to leave this family alone?

MCKENNA: Well, you would hope so. You`ve seen the action outside that courthouse. I don`t think this is going to end anytime soon. You have -- you know, you have a show Dr. Drew and yourself telling people to calm down, but in between that is sandwiched Nancy Grace, firing it up.

I think that the emotion should die down. It should eventually, but this kid, I never saw a premeditation murder in this case at all. We called six or eight FBI lab technicians, the greatest crime lab probably in the world. And they called, you know, Rocky Top Crime Lab in Tennessee to say they smelled death in a can of air.

Our forensics, I thought overpowered their forensics. We have all kinds of records from people that searched that area that didn`t find anything. The government would bring in double the amount to say it was under water. Then you have the mystery of Roy Kronk who evidently is urinating in a knee-deep swamp.

There are so many kind of mysteries in this case --

(CROSSTALK)

MCKENNA: Sure.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I agree with you there. One thing I agree with you, there`s plenty of mysteries. And I really take umbrage to singling out Nancy Grace. She`s got an opinion. She`s a former prosecution. She`s prosecuted a lot of cases.

MCKENNA: I understand.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So she`s not just a talking head. She`s a person who has been in the courtroom many times and I think that she`s earned the right to have her opinion.

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MCKENNA: She can have her opinion. I`m just saying her opinions --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me give you the last word, though, Pat.

MCKENNA: Ok. Sure.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Pat, what I want to ask you is, are you still in touch with the defense team? Or have you kind of moved on and have gotten out of this vortex?

MCKENNA: Well, I`m out of the vortex. I`m back in West Palm Beach; I have other cases. But no, I`m in constant contact with members of the team.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Why? It`s over.

MCKENNA: Pardon me?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Huh? Is it? Is that what you said?

MCKENNA: I didn`t hear you. I`m sorry.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Pat, I want to thank you. I think you broke up a little bit. But my understanding is that you`re still in constant contact with members of the defense team. Is that correct?

MCKENNA: That`s correct, probably for the rest of my life. It was a great team to be associated with.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: One last question. Where is she going? Where is she going Pat? Do you know where she`s going?

MCKENNA: I don`t have any idea. .

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You have no idea. All right.

MCKENNA: I don`t.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, thank you so much Pat McKenna for joining us.

MCKENNA: You`re welcome.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I appreciate it.

Casey getting a new chance at life in less than a week; we`re counting down to her release. And I`m taking your calls, 1-877-JVM-SAYS. Right on the other side of the break -- stay right there.

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CROWD: Caylee. Caylee. Caylee. Caylee. Caylee. Caylee. Caylee. Caylee. Justice for Caylee. Justice for Caylee.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: We are here at the site where little Caylee`s remains were found. As you can see, this makeshift memorial continues to grow and grow and grow; all sorts of dolls and stuffed toys and signs. Pretty much saying the same thing, "We love you so much, Caylee. You are in a much better place."

So really, the community continues this outpouring of love and concern for this child, even after the trial is over.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Take a look at that. I`ve got to tell you that I was at the scene of the remains today, that makeshift memorial just growing, growing, growing, growing. And on the tree, there was a sign that said on the day that Casey was scheduled to be released which is this coming Sunday, the people have also scheduled a march to remember Caylee. Because their point was that the emphasis should be on the victim.

Meantime, there`s a new poll just out that indicates most Americans think Casey Anthony is guilty. 64 percent think Casey definitely or probably murdered Caylee. And apparently gender makes a big difference. Get this -- 28 percent, almost 30 percent of women think she definitely murdered Caylee while only 11 percent of men think she is definitely guilty.

So I want to go to the man on our panel, Mark Nejame, prominent defense attorney here. Why do you think there is the gender gap?

MARK NEJAME, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, from the beginning we`ve predicted that one of the best jurors would be men, older men. They could not imagine that this cute young woman was capable of doing something like this.

You take a look across America, and although men and women are both outraged, you take a look and it`s primarily women. The question to ask yourselves: people talk about if this was a minority child in a matter such as this or a minority mother, what would the reaction be? If Casey Anthony was, in fact, a man and not a cute woman or an attractive woman by most people`s thoughts, would the verdict be the same?

No question that the fact that she was a young, by most standards, most people`s opinion, an attractive female had something to do in most people`s minds. If she was a man, and had behaved the same, I don`t think that their verdict would have been the same.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Now I want to move on to an associate of bounty hunter Leonard Padilla, who is now predicting that we`re going to see Casey Anthony on TV soon because she loves the media attention. Listen to this and then we`re going to analyze it.

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TRACY MCLAUGHLIN, ASSOCIATE OF LEONARD PADILLA: They`ll probably hide her for a while but she`s not going to put up with that for long. She wants to be out. She`ll want to be on TV. She loves the media. When I stayed there, she`d be upset if there were clouds or there`s a hurricane because the helicopter wouldn`t be over the house. We counted the cameras and the we counted vans in front of the house every day.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jayne Weintraub, she`s a young woman. She`s been in solitary confinement for almost three years. I know Jose Baez -- and you`re very close to the defense team -- wants to keep her under wraps. But will they be able to? Will Casey say hey, I want to go out and have a good time? I want to go party.

JAYNE WEINTRAUB, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Why do you think that she would want to do that and be exposed or be hurt right now? She needs time to heal --

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, maybe because she went and partied when her little daughter had drowned and if that -- by her own admission, if that`s so important to her, maybe she`ll decide to go party again now that she`s been acquitted of murder.

WEINTRAUB: Jane, Jane, can I say something, in all seriousness. You say you accept the jury`s verdict, but do you? Do you understand that we need to respect their verdict and not go behind them?

This is what makes our system work and it is still the best system in the world, and if we want to erode the jury system and make people afraid to be on juries or intimidate them where one juror in this case has already left her home. She left a note for her husband. Is that what we really want to promote?

Or do we want to promote that Casey Anthony, the case is over. She was found not guilty. That doesn`t mean innocent. There`s a big difference. We need to discuss it.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Anybody who discusses it without pointing out certain obvious facts is doing something that -- no. This is part of the process. The process is the jurors have their say and the media gets to debate and discuss this dialectic argument and counterargument to reach a higher understanding of the given subject matter.

You`re right, juror number 12 has reportedly fled for her life and I think that`s horrific. Now this is a woman, we don`t know her name, but we know she`s a white woman in her 60`s. She has two children, a grandchild. She had worked as a supermarket cook. And she was very pro death penalty. That came out during jury selection.

But what`s really shocking is that she said that she felt that half of her co-workers would love to see her head on a platter and she left her job. And that doesn`t mean that I can`t discuss the case --

WEINTRAUB: Of course not.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: -- but Stacey Honowitz that is very disturbing. That is very disturbing that this juror has fled her job and her husband is distraught.

STACEY HONOWITZ, FLORIDA PROSECUTOR: Well, of course, it`s extremely disturbing. And we have to remember that again, we keep saying it is the best system in the world. And Jayne and I practice in court every day and we need to pick jurors and we need to make sure that people aren`t afraid to sit on a jury panel because we have to seek justice in the court system.

The fact in this case is the public feels that the jury got it wrong. That`s the bottom line. The public thinks the jury got it wrong. So we`re sitting here day after day, trying to figure out what it was that the jurors saw that the general public -- that the jurors didn`t see that the general public saw. And so we`re trying -- I`m sitting here constantly trying to find a reason -- a reason.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hang on. More reasoned discussion on the other side. Stay there.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you from Orlando. I`m right here at the intersection of Hope Spring and Suburban. The Anthonys live a short walk that way. The remains were found a short walk that way, where those two people are in the distance.

You can see that law enforcement still has a very heavy presence here. You have sheriff`s deputies. You also have all these cones set up.

This neighborhood is still not back to normal. But I can tell you the people who live here wanted to get back to normal fast.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Susan, Pennsylvania, your question or thoughts, Susan?

SUSAN, PENNSYLVANIA (via telephone): I have a question. Since Casey has kind of implicated herself in knowing that Caylee had died, why would she not be charged with abuse of a corpse?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Stacey Honowitz, Florida prosecutor?

HONOWITZ: Well, I mean she was -- it was all part of the same murder investigation. The fact of the matter is when they got the facts in this case, when the indictment came down and then when they found the body afterwards, it was all incorporated in the first degree murder charge that she murdered this child and as a result of murdering the child, she also disposed of the corpse. They didn`t make it a second charge. They didn`t make it another count in the indictment.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to get predictions. Predictions of what is going to happen. Why don`t we start with Jayne Weintraub? Is Casey going to land a huge, network exclusive interview, where they pay licensing fees? They get around to paying her by paying for the fees?

WEINTRAUB: I don`t think that you`ll be seeing her on any network any time soon. I think and I hope that she takes Jose`s advice and that she takes some time to heal, maybe get some counseling and she needs time to reflect on exactly what she wants to do. And I hope she finds a new life in a better place.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Some might say she`s been reflecting behind bars for three years. Mark Nejame, what do you think?

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WEINTRAUB: It`s terrible to have 23 hours --

NEJAME: I agree that she`s not going to do a network interview. It would be subject to all sorts of restrictions, which you can`t imagine a network doing, and I, for one, am just choosing not to give any money to anybody that goes ahead and promotes her.

I don`t think that there`s anything that`s redeeming about her that I would want to pay money and benefit somebody else. I think if everybody goes ahead and allows a boycott. She has every right to do it, she was acquitted, and I have every right not to give business money to promote it. So that`s what I`m going to do.

WEINTRAUB: And if the prosecutors write a book, Mark?

NEJAME: Pardon me?

WEINTRAUB: Are you going to read that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And if the prosecutors write a book --

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NEJAME: What about it? That has nothing to do with it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Stacey Honowitz --

HONOWITZ: Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Here is the thing. There is a difference between a big interview where we -- we ask her questions, somebody asks her, not me, but somebody asks her questions, right, and selling her story, doing a made-for-TV movie or a book. Do you think she`s going to pop up on one of those exclusive interviews or not? Is that even too risky?

HONOWITZ: I think it`s risky. I think eventually she will but I think that the networks and everybody that`s involved in the media has to be very, very cautious and careful because of such an outcry and such a backlash that could be towards them if they make these offers.

But as we know, Jane -- I hate to say this -- we see terrible cases, we see terrible people and then eventually we see them pop up and either profit from, you know, their story or they are seen somewhere. So it`s not that far out of reach for her eventually to do something unfortunately.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, I agree with you. I don`t necessarily think that it`s an impossibility.

All right. We`re going to take a brief break. We`ll be back with some final thoughts in just a moment. Stay right there.

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JUDGE BELVIN PERRY, PRESIDED OVER CASEY ANTHONY TRIAL: All four counts to run consecutive to each other, giving you credit for the time that you have previously served.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her daughter died. If she plans to get out of jail, and make a book, make a movie, make all kinds of money, it`s giving her, her bella vita life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`ll get her judgment someday when she passes away.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Anytime she comes out is too soon for me, ok? What she did was a disgrace to all -- not just Caylee -- but all innocent children in the world.

CROWD: Justice for Caylee. Justice for Caylee. Justice for Caylee.

LAWSON LAMAR, STATE ATTORNEY, ORANGE COUNTY, FLORIDA: For us, the case has never been about the defendant in particular. It has always been --

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