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Historic Heat Traps 150 Billion; Explosion Hits Norway's Capital; NYC Mayor To Marry Gay Couple; James Murdoch's Testimony Questioned; FAA Faces Partial Shutdown; Senate Rejects GOP Budget Plan; A Hot Summer in Washington; Surviving the Heat Wave; Man Fires at Oslo Youth Camp

Aired July 22, 2011 - 12:59   ET


RANDI KAYE, CNN ANCHOR: It's 1:00 p.m. in the East, noon in the Midwest, the heat of the day is coming on fast, and that is trouble. From Nebraska to New England, take a look here, 150 million Americans are trapped in the deadliest kind of weather. And it's not just hot, it's historic. High temperature records have been shattered or threatened all week.

Today, Washington could break its all-time record of 106 degrees in the shade. Power grids are strained to the max. Consolidated Edison expects to pump more power to New York today than any other day in its history. And if you thought the debt and deficit talks were hot and heavy before, they're certainly not getting any easier.


SEN. DAN COATS (R), INDIANA: I guess we're all getting frustrated. It's 100 and some degrees heat index outside, and I can understand people getting worked up about all this sort of thing.


KAYE: More on politics in a moment, but I want to start with a street level view of what has to be considered an emergency. Justin Bruno heads up the New York City office of emergency management, and he's kind enough to step outside and tell us what he has been up today. Commissioner Bruno, thank you so much for making the time and for braving the heat. Is your city in emergency mode right now?

JOSEPH BRUNO, NEW YORK CITY OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT: We absolutely are. We have temperatures we have never seen before. Heat indexes will be, and that's a combination of temperature and heat and humidity, will be 105 to 115, which are record numbers. The stress on our power grid is significant, and you mentioned that in your earlier comments. We do expect to see more power demand than ever before in New York City. We have activated our emergency operation center, a situation room. We have our agencies present. And one thing we do here is we are always in close touch with Con Edison, which is our power provider, but we have them in our sensor (ph) now all the time, and we keep an eye on when one or two teams go out so we know that there may be some problem going forward. So, we are definitely in an emergency, this is a serious heat emergency, but we're going handle it, this is New York City.

KAYE: I know, I'm sure you will. But we've heard, as you mentioned Con Edison, they reduced power overnight to parts of Queens and Westchester county. Any more plans for brownouts ahead?

BRUNO: This is how we work it, when the -- when there is more than two teages (ph) out, and there's significant demand, as we see right now, and also temperatures like we have, Con Edison will now reduce power by five or eight percent, depending on the network and depending on the conditions, as a precautionary matter. And that's what -- we find that to be a good program, because we don't have to then find ourselves at a point where we're extremists in the system and then have to reduce. So we, so far, we've done well. Yesterday, we had a very hot day, we did fairly well. Today, we're going to be in trouble, but we hope to get through it.

KAYE: What would you say New York City knows about heat emergencies that possibly some other cities should know?

BRUNO: Yes. I think one things we know is that combination of heat and humidity is extremely important and very damaging to the system. We know that the stress on the system yesterday is going to have major impact today, because our system, which is mostly underground, so we have an underground system, it gets very hot, and that system will not -- did not have enough time last night to cool down.

So, we are anticipating that we are going to have problems, anticipating that we are ready. We have sent out conservation messages to the entire public. We're asking certain customers to come off the grid if they can voluntarily. We are looking at city facilities to take them off the grid to release the amount of demand there will be. And also, we're asking Con Ed to reach out to the system operator to get more power into the city.

KAYE: All right. Commissioner Joseph Bruno, we appreciate your time and hopefully you can get inside and cool off. Thank you and good luck this weekend.

Breaking news in Norway now. A massive explosion in the capital of Oslo today has killed at least two people and shattered government buildings. The officers of Norway's prime minister in a 17-story building were extensively damaged but a government spokesman says he is safe. There are conflicting reports about a possible second explosion going off right after the first. Police say numerous people were injured. Rubble and glass from broken windows littered the streets. The blasts triggered fires in several other buildings, no one is claiming responsibility.

Also, in a separate incident, a person dressed as a policeman opened fire today at a youth camp on a Norwegian island. Many people have been injured, that story still developing. In the meantime, though, joining us on the phone from Oslo is Ian Dutton. Ian, tell us where you were when this blast occurred?

IAN DUTTON, EMPLOYEE OF U.S. AIRLINE (via telephone): I'm actually in the -- on the 28th floor of a tower hotel here in downtown Oslo, about a quarter of a mile from the blast site. I work for a U.S. airline and had flown overnight from New York to Oslo and arrived a few hours before the blast, and so was catching up on sleep after the overnight flight.

KAYE: And did you feel it? What did you see?

DUTTON: Oh, absolutely, the hotel just shook. At first, I was not sure if I my bed had been struck by lightning or if there was an earthquake, which is unlikely in Norway, and so I just jumped to the window and looked outside and just saw a wall of cloud and debris and -- just rising from the scene. And the people's initial reaction wasn't even -- there was no panic, it was just disbelief. And I think Norway being such a -- such a safe place, in general, people did not really think that something like this could possibly be happening.

KAYE: And did you feel one or two explosions?

DUTTON: I pretty definitely felt one. There was a rumble like thunder, like a single bolt of lightning. I did not -- I've seen the reporting about a second, but I did not sense anything like that.

KAYE: And can you describe some of the damage for me there?

DUTTON: Well, I can see -- I am on a high floor looking down on the damaged site, and there's the one taller building, I believe it's a 16 or 18-story building, and I don't believe it had any windows left in it. It's really heavily damaged. Surprisingly the lights are still on inside, I can see light inside.

And there is a closer building that is heli-port on top, and the top of the building is just warped with the force of the impact. That building burned for probably two hours afterwards, although the smoke has stopped now, and the situation seems to be relatively stable. There were a lot of ambulances -- an incredible number of ambulances, but that's really died off now. And the city, which is usually hopping on a Friday evening, is eerily quiet, as large parts have been evacuated and trains have stopped running.

KAYE: So, are there people still in the streets then? Or is it fully quiet?

DUTTON: There are. There's little to no traffic, there are people kind of wandering from place to place, though far fewer than would be expected on a normal Friday night. And I live in lower Manhattan, and was home and involved in the incidents on September 11th, and actually kind of some similarities just with the shock, the feeling of, well, I've got to do something, but there's nothing that I can do as an average person, and just kind of a feeling of loss.

KAYE: I am sure. And as we are talking with you, we're looking at these just horrible pictures of those who are injured and the smoke coming out of those buildings, and it certainly does --

DUTTON: Sure. And I travel here frequently, and it's such an open and warm and safe-feeling city, so that really has to cut through even more than it would in somewhere like New York or in another major international capital.

KAYE: Ian Dutton, stay safe, we appreciate you making the time to talk with us and we certainly hope that you get home to New York safe and sound. Thank you.

A history-making weekend ahead in New York. On Sunday, Jonathan Mintz and John Feinblatt will become one of the first ever same sex couples to get married in the state. They both work for New York City mayor, Michael Bloomberg. And he will officiate at their wedding ceremony. I talked with Mintz and Feinblatt earlier this week, we hear from the mayor and the happy couple in today's "Sound Effect."


JOHN FEINBLATT, CHIEF POLICY ADVISOR, NEW YORK CITY MAYOR BLOOMBERG: The mayor's point of view is that New York has always stood for freedom. New York's led the fight for freedom, whether we're talking about the women's right to vote for we're talking about the right for people of different races to marry, and from the mayor's point of view, this is what New York's all about.

MICHAEL BLOOMBERG, MAYOR, NEW YORK: We're going to make history when New York's new marriage of equality law takes effect across the state. And like so many things that happen in New York, I think Sunday promises to bring the eyes of the nation to our city. We know same-sex couples all over the city, all over the country, and even all over the world want to tie the knot in New York City.


KAYE: New York is the sixth state in the nation to legalize same-sex marriage.

Checking other "Top Stories" that we're following for you. James Murdoch's testimony on Britain's phone hacking scandal is being challenged, and he could face a police investigation. A member of parliament is calling for a police investigation as to whether or Murdoch was involved in the efforts to cover up the scandal.

This after Murdoch and his father, Rupert Murdoch, testified before parliamentary committee on Tuesday. James Murdoch said he wasn't aware of an e-mail suggesting the hacking involved more than just one rogue reporter at the now defunct "News of the World" tabloid. The two former executives of the paper say they told them that the scandal was more wide-spread and that his testimony was mistaken. Murdoch says he stands by his statement.

The federal aviation administration faces a partial shutdown unless Congress extends stop gap funding by midnight. If it happens, it shouldn't affect your travel plans. Transportation secretary, Ray Lahood, says that air traffic controllers would remain on the job and that air safety won't be compromised, but the government would lose about $200 million a week in airline ticket taxes and about 4,000 FAA workers would be furloughed. Also, about $2.5 billion in airport construction projects would grind to a halt. The Senate today rejected a house Republican bill to require Congress to slash spending, the cap and balance budget amendment. The Senate voted 51 to 46 against the measure, which was expected, the move did nothing to resolve the issue of how to raise the debt ceiling to avoid a federal government default. A short while before the vote, House Speaker John Boehner told reporters that he and President Obama still had not reached agreement on resolving the debt crisis. The administration says the government is in danger of defaulting after August 2nd unless Congress races that debt ceiling.

And don't move, in just a couple of minutes, we will talk about the debt mess with a minister and psychologist and a politician. Yes, they're the same guy, former Ohio governor, Ted Strickland, when we come back.


KAYE: Before the break, we brought you up to speed on the debt standoff in Washington. Bottom line, there's not much speed to report, in fact, the plan from House Republican's died in the Senate, the Senate Republican leaders' plan is in limbo, and the White House and Republican speaker both deny they agreed on anything.

Complicating everything is a drum lead of discontent from both parties rank and file. Conservatives don't want to raise taxes, progressives don't want to cut entitlements.

And that brings me to my next guest. A man Ohioans know very well. Ted Strictlund is a former Ohio governor and Congressman. He's also a Methodist minister with a doctorate in psychology. Governor, thank you so much for coming on the show today. You have a unique perspective on all of this certainly. Tell us what makes you unhappy about the current state of the debt talks.

TED STRICKLAND, FORMER GOVERNOR OF OHIO: Well first of all, the debt ceiling has to be raised. This country cannot go into default. It is hugely irresponsible for anybody even to contemplate such a thing. But as we work for a solution, it is also important that we remember, Medicare and Social Security are part of the nation's long- term safety net programs, they must be protected. So, as we work for a compromise, and I support that kind of effort, we must make sure that we don't take steps that could actually weaken in any fundamental way the safety net programs that have made our country strong and secure.

KAYE: You told "The Huffington Post" the debt ceiling talks have, quote, "diminished the Democrats' brand." What do you mean by that?

STRICKLAND: Well, this is what I mean. It seems as if the political center has been shifted so far to the right that we're now debating within the frame that the conservative Republicans have insisted that this debate take place within. And quite frankly, the working middle-class people in the country did not cause this debt crisis, it was caused by two wars that weren't paid for, by the Bush tax cuts, and by a drug benefit that was not paid for. And now the Republicans are asking that the working folks in this country bear the larger share of the burden in bringing our fiscal house back into a good place.

And, quite frankly, I believe the debate must be broadened. We must talk about the need to make sure that Medicare and Social Security is strengthened and supported for the long term. We must ask those who have benefitted over the last decade from this economy to pay more toward solving this crisis.

Over the last 10 years, the productivity of the American worker has increased dramatically. Wages have remained relatively stagnant or flat. And, in some cases, actually gone down. But the incomes of the richest people in our country have exploded. And as we discuss what to do to get our physical house in order, I think it's only reasonable and fair and fair to expect those who have benefitted the most over the last decade share in the burden of bringing our fiscal house back in order.

KAYE: I know you've been critical, actually, of your own party. So I want to play something for you that President Obama said earlier today at this town hall in Maryland.


KAYE: And I want to get your response to that.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: If we only did it with cuts, if we did not get any revenue to help close this gap between how much money is coming in and how much money is going out, then a lot of ordinary people would be hurt and a country as a whole would be hurt. And that doesn't make any sense. It's not fair. And that's why I've said, if we're going to reduce our deficit, then the wealthiest Americans and the biggest corporations should do their part as well.


KAYE: So, Governor, doesn't sound like the president is caving here.

STRICKLAND: Well, I say hooray for the president. It really encourages me to hear him say what he just said. The fact is that we need fairness within our economic structure within this country and we haven't had it for a long time. And all the benefit has gone to the wealthiest among us. And working people are struggling, working harder and getting less. And so there needs to be a recognition of that fact. And as we work toward solving the debt ceiling crisis -- and, by the way, it's only a crisis because the Republicans are making it so.

I was in Congress -- I remember sitting with a friend of my, Rick Lazio (ph), a Republican, when we were both freshmen in Congress and we were debating raising the debt ceiling. And Rick leaned over and said to me, you know, I wish I could vote for this because it's the right thing to do, but I can't. and I said, Rick, I wish I could vote against it because it would help me politically, but I feel like I can't. So that's the dilemma that are -- that are faced by so many people. Those kinds of dilemmas.

But the fact is that so many of us voted to raise the debt ceiling and many of the Republicans now that are decrying the effort to raise the debt ceiling have participated in doing that under Republican presidents. And suddenly, right now, in the middle of this recession, they're wanting to take a stand that I think puts this country in jeopardy. I fear for what would happen to the United States of America and to the economies around the world if we were not to raise the debt ceiling. It must be raised.

But the president is right in insisting that those who are the most wealthy among us pay the greater share of the burden of getting our fiscal house in order. But the debt ceiling, in my judgment, should be raised devoid of any of those contingencies.

KAYE: I want you to hear also what House Speaker John Boehner has said. Listen to this.



REP. JOHN BOEHNER (R), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: President Obama talks about being the adult in the room. Where is his plan to cut spending and to raise the debt limit? Listen, we're in the fourth quarter here and we're fighting for jobs, we're fighting for the country's future, and we're fighting for the American people.


KAYE: So that's the Republicans' take. I want to ask you though, you mentioned -- or as I mentioned, you're a minister. In addition to being a politician, you're a minister and a psychologist. So how would you counsel the leaders of both parties to get this done?

STRICKLAND: Well, to show good faith in negotiations. I know John Boehner well. He's from my state. John Boehner is being held hostage by the radical element within his party. I don't think there's any question about that. I really believe that John Boehner is a deal maker and that if he could, he would sit down with the president and would come up with a way to raise the debt ceiling and then defer some of these other decisions, such as entitlements, to a more reasonable time and a more -- well, a time when we can actually have an honest debate.

What's being done here, in my judgment, is the radicals. And I call them radical because I think they are in this regard. The radicals are saying we're going to put this country on the brink of going into default in order to exact a certain concessions from the president and from the Democrats. That's just simply wrong. And I think the American people understand that it's wrong.

John Boehner and President Obama could make a deal. I think ultimately they will. And it will be a deal that moderate people, independents, moderate Republicans and Democrats can agree upon.

KAYE: Right.

STRICKLAND: But the way it's going now, we cannot just cave in and give in to those who are the most extreme thinkers in the country. I am appalled and even sometimes shocked at what is being said by some of the political leaders within the Republican Party.

KAYE: I'm sure they would have a very different take. I'm sure they don't consider themselves radicals.

STRICKLAND: I'm sure they would.

KAYE: But, Governor, we certainly appreciate you coming on and sharing your thoughts on this. Thank you.

Why higher wages could actually be good for job growth, next.


KAYE: Some say that higher American wages are to blame for jobs moving overseas, but Richard Florida, senior editor of "The Atlantic," argues higher wages would actually create better jobs here at home. Earlier today, CNN's Tome Foreman asked him why.


RICHARD FLORIDA, SENIOR EDITOR, "THE ATLANTIC": It's the way we've built our original middle class after World War II. We decided, as a society, political leaders, business leaders, we had to pay those manufacturing workers better so they could buy cars and buy homes and fuel our growth. Now wages have sunk, our manufacturing jobs have moved offshore, less than 10 percent of Americans have those good jobs.

Construction jobs, which paid high wages, dried up. Our service workers, low-wage workers who prepare our food, take care of our parents, take care of our kids, take care of our homes, 66 million of them, their wages are sinking. I think we need a new social compact (ph) in society. We've got to raise those wages up. American's have to agree, we'll each pay a little more for the services.

What's more important? Who's more important to you, the person who builds your car, who we paid well, the person who takes care of your kids or aging parents? We've got to pay just a little more to drive the wages of those 66 million workers to a family supporting middle class wage. It's just something we have to do.

TOM FOREMAN, CNN: And when those people have more money they can spend more money. Terry Savage is the personal editor at "The Chicago Sun Times" and the author of "The Savage Truth On Money."

Terry, the wage gap could potentially hit young people even harder in all this. Take a look at this graphic. This line is the national unemployment rate. But look at the jobless rate for 18-24 year olds. It is much worse off. More than 18 percent of those who are looking for work cannot find a job.

A lot of people might say, oh, well, they're young. You know, we'll give them time to learn to make their money. But studies show that college graduates who can't get a job in their field because of the economy make less money over their careers than those who land a job during the first year out of school.

So, Terry, will graduating into this economy, with so much debt, make a permanent dent in the future standard of living for all these young adults?

TERRY SAVAGE, PERSONAL EDITOR, "THE CHICAGO SUN TIMES": Well, Tom that graphic line is mixing actually two groups. You've got 18-year- olds, some of whom have dropped out of high school and don't have jobs, and you do have those who are graduating as has happened through the business cycles in our economy, graduating without a job, and the business cycle will revolve and they will get jobs.

And, you know, we had this in 1981 and 1982, when the unemployment rate was much higher, 12 percent. And yet those graduating classes went on to take advantage of the technology boom. So lumping those all in one line is a bit misleading.

And the other point I'd like to make, back to Richard, is that, yes, we do have an important service sector in this economy. The question is, what priorities do we set? We have very high paid service jobs. If you're an NBA player or a baseball player or a rock star or a reality show star, you know, they're providing a service. We haven't decided, as a society, that we're willing to pay.

Now, who is going to pay higher wages. If you pay higher wages to the person who washes your car or is at a retail store, then where do you cut back on something else if you're a family. Or if you pay higher taxes, where do you cut back on spending? Or if gasoline prices are higher. We've seen people have to cut back. The real answer is economic growth.


KAYE: For all the latest financial news, be sure to join Christine Romans for "Your Bottom Line" each Saturday morning, 9:30 Eastern. And don't miss "Your Money" with Ali Velshi, Saturdays, 1:00 p.m. Eastern, Sundays at 3:00.

Dr. Gupta says that we may start seeing more heart attacks from people in their 30s. Why the millennial generation needs to change their attitudes about health right after the break.


KAYE: Millennials. So you know who I'm talking about. They are the confident and always connected adults under the age of 30. They are outspoken. They often reject organized religion and openly admit having less of a work ethic than the generation before them. But they're the leaders of tomorrow. That got us wondering who are they and what do they stand for?

All this week, CNN has been taking a look at the so-called "millennial generation." And today, we're digging deeper with our medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta.


KAYE: So, this millennial generation. They have survived -- you know, they are open to change. So, how do they feel about health care reform?

GUPTA: You know, this is interesting. We have been following this for sometime. Despite the fact they're going to be the most impacted, by virtue of living the longest, they don't -- they're not as open about this as they are about other forms of change.

About half, according to a Pew Poll, actually are fully supportive of health care. But more than one-third openly oppose health care reform as well.

So, it's a little bit of a dicey thing. And, again, this is a generation of people, who, as you say, are open to lots of different things. And they're not quite, despite how digitally connected they are as you say -- they're not quite fully understanding it. They say that if they are asked about the specifics of the bill, a lot of them have just tuned out over the last couple of years, and don't really see what's in it for them.

So, despite the fact it may have a huge impact on them, we're not getting a lot of support from there.

KAYE: Yes. And that is really surprising to hear that they would be lukewarm about it, because -- I mean, this is the underage 30 group, and that's the group that tends to not have any health care coverage.

GUPTA: That's right. I mean, they're sort of the immortals, you know? I mean, they believe that nothing is going to affect them. And when you're that age, you'd never been sick a day in your life, you haven't had any health problems, so to speak -- you think, hey, I will just run out my luck here and see how it goes. And that's part of the problem, in fact.

And what we are finding is that, when you look at the health care bill specifically, when they do ask questions, they say -- about one-third of them say, look, my costs may not actually go down as a result of this, and only one-fifth of them believe it's going to improve the quality of my health insurance if I have in the first place, and only about a third of them thinks that they'll be able to get health care insurance if they're currently uninsured.

So that's the other part of the problem. There's not a lot of faith in the bill overall from these young millennials. Again, that's among the population of people who actually tune in and, you know, start dissecting the bill.

KAYE: Well, you called them immortals, but the CDC has said that they pretty much think they're invincible.


KAYE: And which maybe why they may feel the way they do. But where does that come from, the fact that they feel invincible?

GUPTA: I think that you see this in generations past as well. I think at a certain age, and, you know, age a little bit younger, you don't think about your health the way you do after you have a health problem.

KAYE: I didn't at that age.

GUPTA: Yes, and I didn't either. It can expose itself in different ways. Not buying health insurance can be one of them. But also high risk behavior.

What we're finding though from those same CDC reports is that that's not the case. They should not be thinking that they are immortal or invincible.

About a third of them smoke. I found that really interesting because I expected that number to be lower with all of the campaigns we've had over in the last, you know, 10 or 15 years. And we're talking about 18 to 29 years old.

Up to two-thirds are either overweight or obese. And this is a problem we talk about all the time. But you're going to see the ramifications of that. You're going to hear about 30-year-olds that are having heart attacks as a result of that problem.

They're going to need health care insurance, they're going to need some sort of care, and because of the situation is, a lot of them don't have it right now.

KAYE: Yes. And you think about it, they're going to be the leaders of tomorrow, their attitude about smoking or obesity is really critical.

GUPTA: Yes, and they do feel as a group, according to this poll, that people should have health care insurance. What they seem to have a little bit of issue with is whether this bill is going to be able to provide it and address all the issues they specifically have.

KAYE: All right. Sanjay, thank you so much.

GUPTA: Fascinating stuff.

KAYE: It is. Good to be young.

GUPTA: Yes, that's right.

KAYE: All right. Thank you.

Well, have noticed it's a hot one out there? Even animals are looking for creative ways to beat the heat. I think this horse certainly has the right idea, going through the sprinkler there.

Now, severe weather expert Chad Myers joins us for tips and tricks on surviving that brutal heat.


KAYE: Excessive heat watches, warnings and advisories have been in effect in more than 30 states this week. It felt as hot as 131 degrees. Yes, you heard me correctly -- 131 degrees in some places.

In New York, the heat is so dangerous the Statue of Liberty crown area is closed to tourists, and as many as two dozen people have been killed from the heat. Part of what makes the weather so dangerous is that it offers absolutely no break, even at night.

Severe weather expert, Chad Myers, joining me now.

So, Chad, I guess a lot of people want to know what can we do to stay safe in this kind of heat?

CHAD MYERS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Take a lot of breaks if you are outside. Make sure you get inside every once in a while, but over liquidate -- over saturate yourself of water. That's all you can really do.

If you can't do those things, you must take in a lot of water. A lot more water than you usually do. Don't wait until you feel thirsty, because that has nothing to do with how much water you are losing.

No sugar, no big, you know, Coke and Pepsi. Do that later when you are inside. Nothing with alcohol because either, that doesn't help.

Or you just get into a sprinkler or a shower, or a bath. And, obviously, the sun makes it a lot hotter. Remember, all the numbers that we talk about, 105, heat index, 120, 115, whatever it might be -- all the numbers you see here are in the shade. All of the boxes that we talk about are in the shade -- the humidity and the sun, and all that hitting the white box. The white box doesn't feel the sunshine at all.

And so, if you are in the sun, that 114 heat index in Central Park right now may feel like 120 to 125 on your body.

There are a number of things that will go wrong with your body, including the cramps and then a stroke, eventually possibly the heat stroke, and that could really get to be big, big problems -- Randi.

KAYE: So, those are some of the warnings signs, or are there warning signs that you are taking in -- that you are just too hot?

MYERS: You know, I did get all the way to eventually the first stages of heat stroke one time in my life in Nebraska when I was working outside. And the first thing you need to do, obviously, drink all the water you can.

But if you feel crap in your legs or stomach, that means you're not getting that water, take that, not thirst, but the cramps, that's what you're going to feel not first. And sometimes, you'll see football players get the cramps on very hot days. That's the first step.

After that, if you start feel like you can't just stand up anymore -- when I got to the point, I could not drive my car home. Somebody had to drive me home because I couldn't function. My brain wouldn't function at all.

And then, at 104 degrees, you are in a heat stroke, and then at that point, you need medical attention because you are vomiting so much you can't even keep water down. So, if you don't have temperatures everywhere. But you get the idea. If you start to vomit, that is the first thing you need to get out of the water, get out of the air, get in to some water, get in to some place where it's nice and cool, and get your temperature taken down.

If you get to that 104 point and you can't get any lower and you're not sweating anymore, you need to go to the hospital.

KAYE: What about, Chad, the fact that it got so hot so fast? I mean, has that made a difference in a case like this?

MYERS: Yes, no question about it. If you are living in Hawaii or, you know, in Florida, and you're hot like this all the time, your body could really get used to it and it's OK. Your body gets, your blood and all that, it kind of works all this stuff out. But because it got so hot so fast and it was only in the 80s couples of days ago, and now, it feels like 120, your body has not really made that -- get accustomed to that and it does make a big difference that even though it's 120 some place all the time, it's 120 one day in New York, or Wilmington, Delaware, 121 right now, that makes a difference that it happened like that.

KAYE: All right. Chad -- Chad Myers, great advice. Thank you.

MYERS: You're welcome.

KAYE: A massive deadly explosion rips through Norway's capital. We'll bring alive report from Oslo right after this.


KAYE: A massive explosion shattered government and other building in Norway's capital today. At least two people were killed and several injured.

In an apparent unrelated development, a person dressed as a policeman opened fire at a youth camp. There are reports of many injuries. And we just gotten word of an arrest.

Joining us now from London is Nima Elbagir.

Nima, what is the latest you have on the explosion and news of this arrest?

NIMA ELBAGIR, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, even as the police in Oslo are still evacuating people from the scene of the bombing near the prime minister's office, we are hearing a person dressed as a police officer opened fire on the summer -- the annual summer of the ruling party's young wing, the Labor Party's youth wing. Traditionally, every year, the former prime minister and the current prime minister visits that summer camp. Our understanding is that the current prime minister was due there tomorrow. Police said that they are sending anti-terror units to try and get control of the situation.

KAYE: And any claims yet of responsibility in terms of the bombing?

ELBAGIR: We haven't had any serious claims, but what we are seeing on a lot of the pro-jihad forums is a lot of celebration, a lot of jubilation. They said that the mujahedeen, the Islamic extremists promised revenge after Osama bin Laden's death and many of those on the extremist fringes of the Islamic movement believe that this now that revenge.

In fact, one just posted that Europe, there is more coming.

Many in the intelligence community that I've been speaking to say that their concern is that if it is an Islamic extremist group that has carried out the attack -- that this was done because they believe that Norway was a soft target. You've had several al Qaeda franchises, like al Qaeda in Yemen attempting to hit out Europe and the United States. And they believe that they might have tried to hit Norway because they did not think that their security was really as strong as it could have been.

KAYE: Do you have any details -- I know we don't know exactly who did this yet, but do you have details in terms of how they pulled it off? Where were these bombs, where were these explosions? How were they detonated?

ELBAGIR: Well, eyewitnesses say there remains of a car in front of the prime minister's office, the center of the scene where that blast was detonated, which has many eyewitnesses and indeed many officials to surmise -- they have not confirmed it 100 percent yet -- that it could have been a car bomb. And it's that that is leading people to believe that this could be quite a sophisticated operation that we have seen in the past to use, to control that much of an explosive. To detonate it without harming yourself. This is not an amateur operation that we've seen carried out here in Oslo.

KAYE: And Nima, I just want to update our viewers. We're just getting word from Oslo police that seven have been killed, two seriously wounded. What is the scene as far as you know on the streets of Oslo right now?

ELBAGIR: Our understanding is that they are still evacuating people from that scene. Police are not yet fully in control of the scene of that explosion. One of the main concerns they have is for people that are still trapped within the building. They believe that death toll will continue to rise when police and the emergency services can get. And now it's obviously a race against time to get in and try and save those who could still be alive.

KAYE: And give me an idea, if you could, in terms of Oslo. I mean, Oslo you mentioned it was a soft target, but has it been targeted before?

ELBAGIR: Last year, there was an operation, a cell that was broken apart by Swedish, Norwegian and Danish police working together. Three Islamic extremists who were believed to try and target the Danish newspaper that published the cartoons that many in the Islamic world found so offensive. And it's depiction of the prophet Muhammad.

And a lot of people are worried that this could be one of the reasons that this attack was carried out today, because after those original cartoons were published by the Danish newspapers, they were then re-published by a Norweigian paper, and then re-published again last year. So this is an ongoing sense of outrage amongst militant groups in the Islamic worlds, that they Norweigians continue, they feel to insult the prophet Muhammad.

And also, there is also Norway's involvement with NATO in Afghanistan and Norway's involvement currently in the strikes against Libya. So, there is a lot of concern that is leading to this speculation that this could be an extremist group that is attacking today.

KAYE: Nima Elbagir, thank you.

I just want to bring our viewers up to date one more time here. Seven people have been killed, according to Oslo police. Two seriously wounded. Now Reuters is actually reporting that there's a connection between the bombing there in Oslo and the youth camp shooting that Nima was giving us those details about.

I want to bring in Ian Dutton, one of our iReporters. Ian, can you tell us where you are and what you are seeing from your vantage point there in Oslo?

IAN DUTTON, CNN IREPORTER (on the phone): Sure, I am on the 28th story of a tower hotel, really the only tower in downtown Oslo. It's about a quarter of a mile from the center of where the blast was.

In the last hour, some things have actually fallen quite quiet. The traffic in the city center is all but stopped. There are very few pedestrians, which is of course is very unusual for a summer Sunday - excuse me -- Friday night in Oslo, where normally there's a lot of night life.

You can see a number of police vehicles going to and from the scene. But it's much different of an atmosphere than two hours or three hours ago when there were an incredible number of ambulances flowing through. Even city buses that apparently were put into service as makeshift victim transports.

So, it's quiet. I'd say people are very tentative. Probably feeling very - very exposed. This is a beautiful -- like you have been reporting, it's a beautiful city. Very, very safe under normal circumstances. It's not -- there is not a crazy city at all. It's a very tame and civilized city, and so for something like this to happen, it really strikes at the heart of the population.

KAYE: How powerful was the blast that you felt? I mean, one of our other iReporters described the blast to feel like it was in slow motion. But I am curious as to how it felt to you?

DUTTON: Well, I had flown overnight from New York to Oslo, and so I was just waking up, and only in mid-consciousness when the concussion took place. And it really caused the whole hotel to rock. I mean, it really -- I mean, it was much more forceful than a bolt of lightning. I felt like lightning may have hit my bedpost or something like that. It was very forceful.

And once I snapped out of it and looked outside, I could really see a wall of debris and smoke outside. And it was clear a major blast had taken place.

I only really felt one giant concussion, but there was some reporting of multiple explosions. But my sensation was just that one extremely concussive blast.

KAYE: There are some reports, certainly some speculation, that this could be an act of terrorism. I know you were in New York on 9/11. What does this feel like in comparison to that?

DUTTON: Well, the reaction is very similar. And I think I've seen now as hours have passed, I've got many friends in Norway, and keeping in touch with them on Facebook. It's the same progression of at first, thinking this can't happen here, just like we were in New York even though there had been attacks previously. We didn't feel like something of this magnitude -- that was in another part of the world, it's not here.

And then there's sort of this realization in dealing with the immediate circumstances. And now people seem like they are pulling together for mutual support. People are posting, "I love Oslo" and Norwegian flags as their profile pictures on Facebook. So, I think people are feeling the sensitivity and trying to find strength from one another.

KAYE: And just very quickly, have you been able to contact your family and let them know you are safe? And hopefully they are watching CNN and they certainly know that as well.

DUTTON: Well, my Facebook page lit up. People are pretty well aware. They've definitely tuned into CNN. So, they have heard that I am okay. So yes, so people at home know that I am not in any immediate danger. But really, my heart just goes out to the peoples' lives who have really been shattered by the events. KAYE: Yes, Ian Dutton, we're certainly happy to hear you are safe and we appreciate you taking the time to talk to us at a time like this.

And just to update our viewers, seven killed according to Oslo police and two seriously wounded. We will take a break here. We'll have much more coverage on the other side.


KAYE: Do you remember this "Big I" from last October? Ali Velshi talking with our good friends at Georgia Tech about a five-foot robot called the PR-2 created by Willow Garage in California.

Well, Henry Evans, a mute quadriplegic and his wife, Jane, had watched that and asked these guys if the bot could help him with simple life functions. And in just a few months, the team has changed their lives. Movements of Henry's head and finger can now control the PR-2 and direct it to perform tasks autonomously. Tasks include putting items away in drawers, shaving, and what looks like the greatest relief of them all, scratching an itch on his face for the first time in ten years.

Can you imagine? Amazing to see him smile.

Think about how we all take these tasks for granted next time you scratch an itch. Willow Garage and Georgia Tech are hoping this is just the first step for the PR-2. And their goal is to get robots in homes where people like Henry clearly need them.

For more on these robots, you can visit my Facebook page at And don't forget to tune in Monday. Same "Big I" time, same "Big I" channel. You never know what we'll be looking at.

Has dissatisfaction among liberals driven President Obama's approval ratings down? Paul Steinhauser will show you the brand-new poll numbers right after the break.


KAYE: Time now for a CNN Political Update. CNN deputy political director Paul Steinhauser joins me from the political desk in Washington with some brand new CNN polling. Paul, have liberals driven President Obama's approval ratings down?

PAUL STEINHAUSER, CNN DEPUTY POLITICAL DIRECTOR: It seems like it, Randi. These numbers out just in the last couple of minutes. And take a look at, this a national poll from CNN and ORC. And you can see the president's approval rating now at 45 percent. That's down a few points from last month.

And look at that disapproval now, up to 54 percent. That ties his all-time high of disapproval in our polling.

But take a look, go to the next number. When you break it down, it's not just Republicans and others who are upset, giving the president thumbs down. Thirteen percent of the people who disapprove say they're upset with the president because he's not liberal enough. And maybe part of that is because he's willing to negotiate on Social Security and Medicare in those deficit talks.

You know what, though? It's not just the president having some trouble. Go to the next number. And you can see here, the Republican brand is coming into some problems, as well. Well, the policies of congressional Republicans move the country in the right direction or wrong direction? Look at that right direction down to 37 percent. That's down nine points from back in January when they took over control of the house, Randi.

That's what I got right now. Back to you.

KAYE: All right, Paul. Thank you very much.