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PIERS MORGAN TONIGHT
U.S. Breaks Up Assassination Plot; The Outrageous Osbournes
Aired October 11, 2011 - 21:00 ET
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PIERS MORGAN, HOST: Good evening. In a moment we'll get to my extraordinary interview with the outrageous Osbourne family. But first breaking news tonight. It sounds like a spy novel or Hollywood thriller, a deadly plot to assassinate Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the United States.
The plan to make the hit in a crowded Washington restaurant, a place popular with members of Congress. U.S. officials said that Iranian secret police tried to hire hitmen from Mexico's drug cartel to pull off the plot.
Joining us now to try to understand all this is senior White House correspondent Jessica Yellin.
Jessica, a quite extraordinary James Bond-style plot here. Tell me more about this.
JESSICA YELLIN, CNN CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, the plot was under way for many months, and it got so far that money was actually transferred for an assassination.
What the Iranians didn't know, Piers, was that the person they hired to carry this out was a DEA informant working for the U.S. government. So it was never actually going to take place.
MORGAN: But that was a massive stroke of luck, presumably.
YELLIN: Yes. Absolutely. And once this DEA informant was contacted by the Iranians, the FBI was brought in. Now what we know tracing the timeline is that the president was notified in June. The arrest of the naturalized U.S. citizen, the Iranian we all have a mug shot of now, was on September 29th. So it unfolded over the course of about four months where U.S. law enforcement was tracking it for all that time.
MORGAN: And Secretary of State Clinton said today the idea that they would attempt to go to a Mexican drug cartel to solicit murder for hire to kill the Saudi ambassador, nobody can make it up. It is an extraordinarily outrageously audacious plot, isn't it?
YELLIN: It is. It is remarkable. It does seem like something out of a spy novel. And in this case we're told it's sort of, if you will, bad guys contacting bad guys. There's not some sort of known connection between the Iranian Quds force and Mexican drug cartels. It was just a way for the Iranians to potentially disguise their involvement in this kind of attack were it to be carried out.
MORGAN: Jessica, thank you very much.
Joining us now is Michigan Congressman Mike Rogers. He's the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.
Congressman, I mean a big success here for the intelligence services, but what an extraordinary story.
REP. MIKE ROGERS (R-MI), HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN: Yes, it is. And you know, I wouldn't discount the fact that they went to the drug cartel if you look at the sophistication of this plot, but for the fact that this particular informant -- and Piers, this is somebody who has had a long relationship with the U.S. government, but he was well entrenched in the Zeta crime family, a drug cartel down in Mexico, who clearly had the means to assemble the people and the materials to pull something like this off.
So they used somebody who wasn't affiliated directly with the Iranian IRGC, their military intelligence services, to contact this individual and arrange for the wiring of the money to make it go operational.
I have to tell you, when you first heard of this plot back in June, you thought, boy, this doesn't even make sense. Why would they go through this process? But as it unfolded, it became very clear how deadly serious they were about pulling this off.
MORGAN: I mean, given the sums of money involved, given the elaborate nature of the plot, is it conceivable that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei, that didn't know about this?
ROGERS: It would -- I think it would be pretty difficult for them to deny. Think about who this group is. And this is a group that we know about. The IRGC, you know, it's worked with the Quds force. These are folks that are bringing weapons systems into Iraq to kill U.S. soldiers. They're up in mischief in Afghanistan to do the same kinds of things. They're supporting Hezbollah in their terrorist activities. They've got bad things going on in Bahrain.
So we can track their activities and we know how dangerous and, Piers, they're very, very good. So we don't look at this as the keystone cops. This was just good fortune that they picked the wrong guy to arrange this, but if you look at his profile, he was really good. So we know all of those things about what bad things that they're doing around the world. And they were completely serious about pulling this off.
Now, in all of those other operations I just talked about, Piers, all of those have to go up the chain of command. They're not going to give away $1 million and planted an operation in America by just two guys in the basement of the IRGC thinking hey, wouldn't this be a good idea.
That's -- I think they've got a lot of explaining to do about what their involvement was in this. And I think the international community really needs to step up its pressure on their state sponsored terrorism activities.
MORGAN: Well, this is the big question now because Hillary Clinton said today what everybody is learning is that nobody is safe from the Iranians. The Attorney General Eric Holder said, and I quote, "The United States is committed to holding Iran responsible for its actions."
But what does that actually mean in practice?
ROGERS: Well, what we hope happens now is that this is an opportunity for the administration to engage our European allies in tougher sanctions. They've been pretty good. They can be better. And it's really a message to China and Russia who have been pretty difficult in tough sanctions on Iran.
They need to decide now, are they going to stand with a nation state who is actively engaged in terrorism including the assassination of diplomats here in the United States, Washington, D.C., specifically, or are they going to stand with the international community who stands for the rule of law and justice?
And this is their chance. And this is an opportunity for the rest of the world to stop putting pressure on these two actors who have very self-serving reasons not to have sanctions on Iran, to do the right thing. This is their chance to join the rest of the world and say we've got to stop this kind of behavior.
That is the short-term goal, I think, of the administration. And then secondly, you know, those activities in Iraq and Afghanistan that are directly leading to the deaths of U.S. soldiers, I think we need to be more aggressive about dealing with that.
MORGAN: I mean, what was extraordinary was the brazen nature of this. The instructions were that it should happen maybe in a Washington restaurant packed full of potentially American citizens as well and if, you know, dozens, hundreds of people got killed, it didn't matter. I mean it's an extraordinary situation to emerge today.
ROGERS: Yes. And what we see is Iran has become more brazen. I think their activities in Iraq that really went unchecked publicly at least, their activities in Afghanistan, they're really defying the world saying we're going to get a nuclear weapon program. We really don't care what you all think.
Their activities with Hezbollah, very brazen. And the more brazen they got, I really do believe they thought we can pull this off, and if we kill a lot of people in the process, we don't care. I mean that is really the mindset of where Iran is today and why this is so dangerous and so serious and why we need to come together internationally to put an end to this.
MORGAN: And finally, I would imagine the Saudis are furious about this. What would you imagine their reaction may be? ROGERS: Well, the good news is when the early stages of this that they were briefed as to the security that they might need to undergo to make sure that if something went wrong in the operation and they were able to get there, that they would be safe and able to keep the ambassador safe as well as other security precautions.
But you can imagine that the tension between Iran and Saudi Arabia, which is already there, is only going to get worse. And they've got a lot of work to do here. And Saudi Arabia has been pretty clear that a nuclear Iran is the worst possible outcome for the Middle East's stability. And they're going to have a lot of bilateral discussions they're going to have to go through here.
Their activities in Bahrain has a strain on Saudi and Iranian relationships, their -- some of their activities in Syria and other places have been a strain on Saudi/Iranian relationship. And now what they've done is brought the whole world including the United States and the American public into this very nasty fight about Iranian search of greater influence in the region that is dangerous and it shows you the kind of decision-making that they're going to do here is exactly why we need to be aggressive on their nuclear weapon program and their state sponsor of terrorism.
MORGAN: It certainly does. Congressman, thank you very much indeed.
ROGERS: Hey, Piers. Thanks for having me.
MORGAN: Coming up next my remarkable interview with America's heavy metal family next door, the Osbournes.
MORGAN: Tonight, America's royal family. Prince of darkness himself, Ozzy Osbourne, the queen mum, Sharon Osbourne.
SHARON OSBOURNE: I call Piers a pompous bastard.
MORGAN: The heir to the throne, Jack Osbourne.
JACK OSBOURNE: Yes, I just hope Piers isn't a (EXPLETIVE DELETED), as always.
MORGAN: Just your average hard-living heavy metal, biting bat heads off family next door. You've heard the stories, and I can tell you from personal experience, they're all true. So tonight the Osbournes uncensored.
OZZY OSBOURNE: (EXPLETIVE DELETED) you all.
MORGAN: Well, nearly uncensored. This is PIERS MORGAN TONIGHT.
O. OSBOURNE: Yes.
MORGAN: Ozzy, Sharon, Jack, here we are on the outskirts of Hollywood in your -- one of your many fabulous homes. Do you ever sit here, just the three of you sometimes, and think, how did we get here?
O. OSBOURNE: Every day. I got -- how I got here, I come from the airport, got in a cab.
MORGAN: Be serious a moment. When I watched -- I watched Jack's movie about you, Ozzy. And what it reminded me is from the very humble beginnings that you all came from -- you didn't come from any privilege or any great wealth or anything. Particularly you, Ozzy. I mean I just wonder whether sometimes you have that moment where you just think how did this happen?
O. OSBOURNE: You know, I had the occasion to go back to the house I grew up in Ashton, Birmingham a few months ago. It's when you go back that the reality of what you've done hits you right between the eyes, I mean.
MORGAN: It's a tiny house.
O. OSBOURNE: Tiny, tiny. You could get this whole thing into this area. And there were six of us, and my mom and dad. I don't know how we did it.
MORGAN: For you, Jack, I mean the complete converse because you were born into pretty fabulous wealth and luxury and everything else, and yet the overriding sense I got from the movie that you made, which was a painstaking labor of not entirely love, I have to say, over two or three years, was that the money just never brought any proper happiness.
There's a moment of real awareness with Ozzy, I think, when you say to him, you know, you say, all the stuff I've bought you, Jack, over the years. You never wanted for anything. Anything you ever wanted. And you just turn around and say, yes, except a proper father.
J. OSBOURNE: Yes, but I think that's kind of what makes -- I mean, our family relatable, is that it doesn't matter what walk of life you come from, addiction still affects a family the same way. Whether you are living in a, you know, beautiful mansion in hidden hills or you're living in a ghetto in south central. It's still going to be the same issues within a family.
You know I can only speak for myself. I went from being a relatively normal 15-year-old in high school to being all over MTV and literally I could do whatever I wanted. And I was being praised for it no matter what. And so you can't not let that affect you negatively because it's like, how far can I push it today? What can I do today that I couldn't do yesterday? And it feels weird --
MORGAN: If you had your time again, would you choose to be in that MTV show?
J. OSBOURNE: Absolutely, yes. Because -- I mean, I wouldn't be here talking to you. And what a gem that is. (LAUGHTER)
MORGAN: Well, maybe the down side.
Sharon, would you? Would you take all your kids into that environment again knowing what happened to them after? Because it was incredibly exciting, but it was much bigger than I think any of you realized and the harsh reality in the immediate aftermath certainly was for most of your kids, it was -- it was pretty torturous a few years afterwards.
S. OSBOURNE: I've gone over and over the same question in my mind, you know, did I do the right thing. And I honestly have to say that I would do it again. I definitely would. We had unbelievable experiences as a family that we shared. It was an amazing time in our life. Yes, bad things happen. But bad things happen anyway.
MORGAN: I mean what's interesting, I think, with you, and I've got to know you well. I feel very privileged to have done that. But I didn't know you through the really bad days. And what came through in the movie was there were a lot of bad days. There weren't many good days as far as some of the family were concerned.
O. OSBOURNE: I mean it wasn't my idea when I was living -- this is documented as well. I'd go out and have a few drinks and wake up and charged with attempted murder of Sharon. I have no idea how that happened, but it did. That didn't even stop me from drinking and getting crazy. I mean, I had just come back from England and the drug scene in England is rampant.
MORGAN: It is.
O. OSBOURNE: It's rampant. Not just England. All over. It's everywhere now. It's the hard core stuff, you know?
MORGAN: And what do you think of that, coming from Britain and going back there and seeing it's so much more prevalent now, given what it did to you and your life and the impact on your family?
O. OSBOURNE: Well, I'm lucky. I don't smoke, I don't drink, I don't do drugs any more. Before Amy Winehouse, you know, I mean, it was like you get to know somebody who knew somebody who knew somebody to get it. But now it's availability is easy now.
MORGAN: Interesting about Amy Winehouse, because I know you knew her, Sharon, and Kelly was a very good friend of Amy's. I guess you knew her, as well as I did.
And I interviewed Mitch, her father. It's a very emotional interview. And if I'm honest, I went into it thinking, you know, I'm going to hold him accountable a bit here. He is the father. When I heard him talk about the battles he'd had to try and control Amy and the drugs and everything else, and the alcohol in particular, which actually became worse than the drugs for her, you know, I had a lot more sympathy for him and I felt real empathy towards him.
Do you feel lucky that none of your kids ended up like Amy Winehouse?
S. OSBOURNE: Lucky is not the word. I mean it's blessed. I feel blessed. And Amy's dad was very well educated in the disease. He was very well read. He knew all about it. We were just blessed with our children that at the end of the day, it didn't get the better of them.
O. OSBOURNE: What about me?
S. OSBOURNE: What about you?
MORGAN: I think she said -- she's including you as one of the children, Ozzy.
MORGAN: But I interviewed Kelly -- I interviewed Kelly a while ago. And you know I was pretty startled by how close she felt she'd come to possibly losing her life to drugs.
S. OSBOURNE: You know you look at people like Kelly and you look at Amy Winehouse. They're tiny little girls. Tiny little girls. They've got nothing -- you know, you drink, drink, drink, and you know, then they don't eat, and then they throw up. And then all of this stuff.
How do their bodies take it? How do they think their bodies can continue doing this? And doing this?
O. OSBOURNE: But then at the same time, it has nothing to do with the size, the age, the width, (INAUDIBLE), it's to do with the look. I mean how many people to you, honestly, big guys, (INAUDIBLE), and they choke on their vomit? And it happens every night.
MORGAN: Sharon says she feels blessed that none of her children ended up losing their lives through drugs. Do you feel lucky? What do you feel?
J. OSBOURNE: Yes. I think -- I mean it was definitely one of the key factors in helping me stay sober was kind of realizing that, for all accounts, I probably should have died. I did a lot of stupid things and, you know, and I was fortunate enough to always wake up the next day. And that was something that, when I got sober, I was like, well, there's probably a reason. So I have to figure that out.
MORGAN: When we come back, Sharon talks about the darkest moment of her marriage when Ozzy tried to kill her.
S. OSBOURNE: It was pretty damn scary because you're on your own. What the hell do you do?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
S. OSBOURNE: He said they've made a decision that I had to die. And I'm like, they? Yes, they've made the decision. We've made the decision you're going to have to die. And then he just got up from the sofa and just dived on me and started to choke me.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MORGAN: Well, the clip, of course, from your movie, Jack, "God Bless Ozzy Osbourne." You know it was interesting, I mean, it was a very, very powerful moment when you're both talking about that moment you described earlier when you tried to throttle Sharon to death.
You know, you were clearly feeling in extreme danger in that moment. But you couldn't remember any of that. And Sharon talks about your eyes going crazy. And she didn't even recognize the real Ozzy there.
I mean, that's an extraordinary moment to reach, isn't it?
O. OSBOURNE: I don't know. Because I can't remember.
S. OSBOURNE: And that's his excuse.
O. OSBOURNE: No --
S. OSBOURNE: And he's sticking to it.
O. OSBOURNE: No, believe me --
S. OSBOURNE: I know.
O. OSBOURNE: Believe me --
S. OSBOURNE: I know.
O. OSBOURNE: If I honestly could remember, I'd say darling, I'm sorry.
S. OSBOURNE: (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
J. OSBOURNE: It is slightly surreal to have a laughing conversation, oh, yes, then you tried to kill me.
MORGAN: Well, in a funny way, in the movie -- in the movie, it was a bit surreal watching that because, Sharon was able to kind of deal with it in a relatively calm way when in fact it must have been at the time just grotesque, wasn't it?
S. OSBOURNE: It was -- it was pretty damn scary because, you know, you're in a house, no neighbors each side, your kids are asleep. You know, you're on your own. What the hell do you do? And that was frightening.
MORGAN: And you must have thought to yourself, what am I doing here? Why am I staying in this? What was the answer when you ask yourself that?
S. OSBOURNE: Oh, god, yes. Many times I would consider it and I'd go through the scenarios in my head. And that one time when, you know, Ozzy was arrested, we were parted for three months. And of course, the first month it was like, oh, heaven. No arguments. There's, you know, lovely atmosphere in the house. And it's great.
And then the second month, you know, the kids, where's dad? We really want to see dad. And I want to really see dad, too. And then by the third month, you know, it's like, we can make it work.
MORGAN: How would you imagine that you're a shrinking violet in any relationship, Sharon?
S. OSBOURNE: No, as harder -- as hard as Ozzy would hit me, I would clobber him back. If ever he went to hit me, I would just go right back for him.
MORGAN: And Jack, when you hear that, these are your parents talking about punching each other as hard as they can.
J. OSBOURNE: Yes.
MORGAN: What do you feel when you hear that?
J. OSBOURNE: Honestly, it's just kind of --
O. OSBOURNE: Show business.
J. OSBOURNE: No, not even that.
J. OSBOURNE: It's just -- nothing. Because to me that -- I mean they've never really did that in front of us. It was never like a -- you know, out in the middle of the living room blow for blow. It was always like when the kids are tucked in bed you'd hear some almighty ruckus downstairs. And you come down, and it'd be like, what's going on? And they're like, oh, nothing. Everything's fine. You know, meanwhile someone has got an ice pack on their face.
S. OSBOURNE: Well, what have I always told you?
J. OSBOURNE: What? Never in front of the kids?
S. OSBOURNE: No.
J. OSBOURNE: What?
S. OSBOURNE: You never hit a girl. J. OSBOURNE: No, you never hit a girl.
O. OSBOURNE: That's great. I got long hair and I -- I mean never hit a girl. So what about you (EXPLETIVE DELETED) hitting us then?
S. OSBOURNE: Yes, that's exactly right.
O. OSBOURNE: I mean I'm saying that, though. I think physical violence is wrong, but also mental violence, mental abuse, I mean women are great at that mental thing.
MORGAN: But do you feel, Ozzy, you're a completely different human being now?
O. OSBOURNE: Well, yes. It's -- when is it for? (INAUDIBLE) I know where I am now, you know.
MORGAN: Yes, but I mean -- for 20 years or more, you just often wouldn't come for --
O. OSBOURNE: Because that's what I thought you did. I just thought you get success in the rock 'n' roll and just get loaded, you know, happily ever after.
MORGAN: And to put the flipside on it, was it for a long time great fun being Ozzy?
O. OSBOURNE: It was great fun until it wasn't. It's as if -- I mean Sharon would say this, I should be firing guns and the (INAUDIBLE) and crazy things and fun. But then the coin flipped to the side. And I didn't drink because I wanted to, I drank because I had to, you know.
MORGAN: What was the moment of awakening for you? When did you think, you know what? Enough of this?
O. OSBOURNE: I don't know. Listen, I mean I'd stop -- the first thing that I quit, I don't know why, it was cigarettes? I mean -- I mean -- you know, I never woke up in jail from smoking too many cigarettes. But I just woke -- I just came back from rehearsal and I said, I can't do this. I'm a singer, you know. And my voice would go out all the time. And the rest of it toppled down like that. Down now -- you know, I just --
MORGAN: Once you realized you could give up something, you realized --
O. OSBOURNE: I had, you know, they say I got sick and tired of being sick and tired. I put the patch on. I didn't have a cigarette all day, take it off at night and reward myself with a cigarette, you know, I do this in total combinations. And you know when -- and then I had the conversation with myself where I said, look, all right, are you going to do it or not? Because you're driving me and everybody around you mad. That was it, really. I made the decision and stuck to it.
MORGAN: Sharon, would you go along with that?
S. OSBOURNE: No.
O. OSBOURNE: (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
S. OSBOURNE: Jack had got himself clean and sober, and I'm not sure how long he was in to his sobriety, but I think it was about a year. And we came home one day, the family, and Ozzy was in his -- what we call his bunker. And completely out of it. He'd fallen from the chair on to the floor, he was crumpled on the floor. He was covered in piss and booze. And --
O. OSBOURNE: Had you pissed on me as well?
S. OSBOURNE: And Jack just cracked up. Jack just absolutely lost it. And I think that when Ozzy got sober, you know, the next day, and realized what was -- what had happened, I think it shamed him. And I think shame has a lot to do with it.
MORGAN: You don't agree, Ozzy?
O. OSBOURNE: No. I mean, I've been shamed before. I've been in prison before. I've been all of that. The thing comes when you make that decision, you go, I need help. I'm going to get help. I want to stop.
MORGAN: It wasn't Jack reacting to you?
O. OSBOURNE: Maybe was. I can't remember what Sharon just said. But the decision came from my -- the inner me. I got fed up with myself, you know.
MORGAN: Jack, do you remember the incident your mom is talking about?
J. OSBOURNE: Yeah. I mainly remember the argument I had with my dad the next day because it was after -- because right when I got sober, dad was kind of trying along with me. And he was kind of jumping on and off the wagon. And it was after his motorcycle accident that he basically shattered his body, and he was on a bunch of pain medication. And it was like around the time -- it was around April or May 2004, yeah, something like that.
And we just got in a big argument because he was still kind of self-administering his pain meds and getting a bit creative.
O. OSBOURNE: Pain meds (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
J. OSBOURNE: Because that's where the argument came from.
MORGAN: I think it's fair to say, Ozzy, that I'm lending my ear more to the memory banks to my right than I am to my left on this. O. OSBOURNE: Whatever it was, it -- you know, the result was good. It doesn't matter the series of events that led up to it.
MORGAN: The result was great. Ozzy, you've been clean -- properly clean the whole time I've known you, which is the last five years. From what I can detect from talking to your family, they feel like -- you feel like you got your father, proper father. Sharon has got proper Ozzy husband back. And your life is a totally different life together now.
I want to take a short break. Then I want to come back and talk to you about two what I thing were two really huge moments in the Osbourne family life. One was when Sharon got cancer. The other was when you, Ozzy, nearly got killed coming off that bike, the quad bike in Britain.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
S. OSBOURNE: Just picked it up and ripped its head off and spat it out on the girl. And she went absolutely (EXPLETIVE DELETED) insane.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MORGAN: That was a clip, of course, from your movie, Jack, "God Bless Ozzy Osbourne." And the dove that we just witnessed, the story about the dove, turned into the glorious, infamous bat. And the legend was born, Ozzy, of the bat biter. What have you got against bats?
O. OSBOURNE: Nothing.
O. OSBOURNE: I did some have crazy stuff when I was out there, you know. I mean, that bat thing (INAUDIBLE) 25 years ago. I still get asked about the damn bat. In fact, the bat is more famous than me I think.
MORGAN: You've got a stuffed bat. We found it here.
O. OSBOURNE: I don't buy this. She buys this stuff.
MORGAN: Sharon buys it. It was a permanent memento, really, of your --
O. OSBOURNE: That isn't the bat.
S. OSBOURNE: I got lights made in the shape of bats in his office.
MORGAN: I know it's not the bat, because it's still got its head on.
S. OSBOURNE: Head on it, yes.
MORGAN: That incident with the dove, with the record company executives, it told me so many things, because it was the glee that Sharon told the story, showed me why you two are made for each other. Because you actually loved him doing that.
It was crazy, shocking, offensive, outrageous, all the things that I know that working with your wife on "America's Got Talent," she is, too. She's like you. Jack, am I wrong here? Am I misreading the tea leaves?
J. OSBOURNE: My mom's a very strong-willed woman.
MORGAN: When you all go at each other, it must be unbelievable.
J. OSBOURNE: Mom is the boss.
MORGAN: Really? Is that understood?
S. OSBOURNE: Without a doubt.
MORGAN: When it comes to it --
J. OSBOURNE: Hold on. When you -- you have your moments, too. People --
J. OSBOURNE: Well, because we get scared.
MORGAN: Even now, though?
J. OSBOURNE: The whole thing was --
MORGAN: Does an Ozzy temper tantrum sober match anything --
J. OSBOURNE: It's still -- when dad gets upset, it's still a very Earth shaking occasion.
J. OSBOURNE: Dad likes to slam things.
O. OSBOURNE: (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
J. OSBOURNE: Stomp around.
MORGAN: Ozzy, would you say you have anger management issues?
O. OSBOURNE: Not really. I have a wife.
J. OSBOURNE: It was always -- when we were kids, it was always mom was the main disciplinarian. But it was always when we kind of stopped listening to her, it was well, fine, I'll call your father. I'll wait till your father gets home.
Then you kind oh knew -- you were like, oh, this is getting serious now.
O. OSBOURNE: When he comes home.
MORGAN: If he comes home.
J. OSBOURNE: Six weeks later.
MORGAN: Obviously, one of the most memorable parts of the MTV series comes when you all discover that Sharon has got cancer. And you can see the effect this has on you all, because, as you say, she's the mother hen figure here. And you all have to come to terms with the possibility that you might lose her.
What was that like, do you think, in reality for the family?
J. OSBOURNE: It was the strangest thing because we were all on such a big high from the show being such a success. And everything had completely blown up. It was the beginning of summer. And Kelly and I were having a great time. Kelly doing her -- she just got a record deal. So she was getting ready to move to New York to do her album.
And it was this -- we were having a really good time. Then all of a sudden, we get a phone call saying, you know, your mom has colon cancer and it's not looking good. And it was like the strangest curve ball.
MORGAN: Ozzy, for you, it looked like in the series that you sort of fell apart a bit.
O. OSBOURNE: Completely.
MORGAN: You couldn't deal with it.
O. OSBOURNE: I mean, every time she'd go for the treatment of chemotherapy, she'd have a seizure. Every time she had a -- every seizure would get worse than the last one. Till the end, I don't know what was keeping her arms and legs on her body. I remember towards the end of the treatment, I turned to the doctor and I said, doc, we got to do something.
I was helpless. I couldn't do anything, you know. That's what you feel. When you put someone that you dearly love through something like chemotherapy, and the treatment is kind of worse than the disease or it appears so -- because she'd literally got to be like the exorcist levitating, you know.
MORGAN: When that was all happening and you were all doing it on camera, was that a moment when you all thought we've got to get these cameras away here? Why are we living our lives in this crazy soap opera when it's so serious. J. OSBOURNE: They were very respectful. They were very respectful, because they were like family at that point. We'd been living with them for a year. So the producers and the directors -- there were times where they knew to be like, OK, we're going to shut down for a couple days. And they would.
O. OSBOURNE: When they first got -- we first got the diagnosis, one of the guys, Jonathan, comes to me and he goes, should we pack up? I said it's a reality show. See what Sharon says. Whatever she says --
S. OSBOURNE: And I thought that if we'd have packed up, that the kids would know how sick I really was. So I just wanted it to be, you know, business as usual.
MORGAN: Did you think Ozzy could have coped if you had died?
S. OSBOURNE: No.
O. OSBOURNE: I can't cope (INAUDIBLE). But you know what? You can't -- with that whole period, you kind of got through the day whatever way you could.
S. OSBOURNE: Do you know what, Piers? I don't know whether I should have answered no to that, because if you would have asked me will Ozzy ever get clean and sober, I would have said no. So you don't know.
MORGAN: Well, I reckon you could have gone either way, looking at the state you were in on the show, is that you could have -- if the worst had happened, you may have snapped out of all the -- or you may have gone a lot worse.
O. OSBOURNE: That whole period of when she got cancer, I was living in a bubble. Not just because I was drinking and getting stoned, but when you get married, they don't give you a booklet to say, read these, any one of these nine million of these things that might happen. And when it comes to the cancer part, this is what you do.
You have to go out and make it up as you go along. And I just can't -- I can't believe that she survived all that, you know.
MORGAN: The irony is that a few years later, it was a complete role reversal. You fall off this quad bike at your British home. You suffer horrendous injuries. I remember I was at a newspaper at the time and people were saying, Ozzy may have died in this. And if he hasn't, he's very seriously injured.
What was that like for you, Sharon? Now the roles are reversed and you have to face up to the prospect of Ozzy very, very seriously injured.
S. OSBOURNE: Scared stiff. I was scared stiff of losing my husband and being on my own. That's what was terrifying me. I didn't want to be on my own. To me, our relationship had gone through so much and it was just starting to get on an even road. And it would be no, don't tell me now, after everything, I'm going to lose him.
MORGAN: Jack, what was it like for you?
J. OSBOURNE: No one really told me the severity of it. I asked mom what happened; oh, he fell off a bike. He knocked himself out. He broke his arm and da, da, da, da. And I was like oh, OK. How bad is it? It's bad but he's going to be OK.
It was constantly like this, because I couldn't leave because I was working. So I didn't really know the severity until I got to England and then starting kind of seeing British newspapers and how bad it actually was and reading things and went to see dad in the hospital.
I actually ended up getting really, really angry as a result of it.
MORGAN: The list, broken neck, broken collarbones, all your ribs were fractured. I broke five ribs once, the most painful thing I ever had. Never mind the rest of it, a punctured lung, the collar bone cut into the main artery. They thought you may lose an arm.
I mean, this is heavy duty. What were you thinking, Ozzy, as you were lying in hospital?
O. OSBOURNE: I wanted to get out. I mean, hospital is not exactly a disco. There's a lot of sick people.
MORGAN: Did you feel at that stage you were either one of the unluckiest people in the world --
O. OSBOURNE: No.
MORGAN: -- or one of the luckiest? Because the Osbournes seem to have been blessed by extraordinary bad luck. Yet the fact that you've come through these things --
O. OSBOURNE: No, you can't say that, piers. If you weigh the bad luck and the good luck, we're a remarkable --
S. OSBOURNE: It's always here or here. It's never midround.
MORGAN: Never boring, is it?
S. OSBOURNE: No.
MORGAN: Coming up, dramatic last words from Ozzy Osbourne's father.
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O. OSBOURNE: He said to me, look, do something about your drinking and do something about your sleeping pills. And the next day, he was gone.
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O. OSBOURNE: This is the original, original, original cross. My father made that when he was at work. I always wanted a man-to-man conversation with my father, but I was too into drugs and alcohol before he died. I miss my father a lot.
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MORGAN: One of the nine moments in the film, I thought, poignant moments is when you talked about your father. And you talked about he made the very first cross. We've got it here, a simple silver cross, but meant so much to you.
O. OSBOURNE: Yeah.
MORGAN: Tell me about your father and the kind of man he was.
O. OSBOURNE: My father is the same kind of build as Tony, a short guy. He was a hard worker. He worked nights in a factory called Lucas in Birmingham. I -- I have a regret that I never had a chance to sit down and have ha man-to-man talk with him.
MORGAN: So he would have seen a lot of your fame.
O. OSBOURNE: Oh, yeah. But it --
MORGAN: How did he feel about the way you were enjoying all that fame?
O. OSBOURNE: On his death bed, this is what he -- on his death bed, he said to me -- the only thing I have to say to you -- he thought al drugs were speed or sleeping pills. He didn't know anything else.
He said to me, look, do something about your drinking and do something about your sleeping pills. And the next day he was gone. I mean, it's like I have a lot of regrets that I didn't -- I was too young and too big headed, if you like, because I was riding the clouds with Black Sabbath. And all of a sudden, I was somebody and I had money in my pocket and I had a car and my own house.
MORGAN: Do you think he would have been very proud of you, of what you've now done?
O. OSBOURNE: I know he would. I know he would. I have a picture of him in my room there. And actually when I look at this cross today, I say hi, dad.
O. OSBOURNE: Yeah. I mean, he was a nice guy in his own way, you know.
MORGAN: Sharon, you had very much more complicated relationship with your father.
O. OSBOURNE: You could say that.
MORGAN: When I read your book, I found it extraordinary what you had been through with him. And he sadly died a couple of years ago. When that happened, what was your real emotion when you realized he was no longer going to be any part of your life?
S. OSBOURNE: I got the most amazing gifts from my father, the gift of music. I was involved with so many ultimate superstars because of my father. Yes, his temper I got, but I did get how to deal with people in this industry. And it's something that you can't learn. You inherit that.
So I did get so much from him. But there was a price. There's always a price with everything.
MORGAN: Coming up, the next generation, an announcement from Jack Osbourne.
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J. OSBOURNE: I'm excited. I'm a little nervous, but I'm excited. It's going to be fun.
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MORGAN: I couldn't end this interview without the real reason we're doing this, which is this book "Trust Me, I'm Dr. Ozzy." A more ludicrous title it would be hard to imagine. You yourself say in your introduction, "a note to all patients: if someone had told me a few years ago I'd end up writing a book of advice, I would have punched them in the nose for taken the piss. I mean, unless the advice is how to end up dead or in jail, I'm not exactly qualified. I'm Ozzy Osbourne, not Oprah (EXPLETIVE DELETED) Winfrey."
J. OSBOURNE: Thank god for that.
MORGAN: Despite this, you have then written what is a hilarious book, in which you offer outrageous advice to people. And I've sort of come around to your thinking. Because whatever their problem is, you have had it, only worse.
O. OSBOURNE: And survived.
MORGAN: Exactly. And you are still here. You are fit as a fiddle. And you are the perfect guy to advise people on all their problems.
O. OSBOURNE: This book is basically common sense. People write to me and they go, I've got these terrible hemorrhoids. And I'm like why are you writing to me for? If you can write to me, and you can print in a paper that you have got these horrendous hemorrhoids, surely your doctors aren't going to go, my God. MORGAN: Did you ever imagine your father would become a sort of medical advisory board?
J. OSBOURNE: It wouldn't surprise me. Because he knows about what every pharmaceutical is under the sun. You call him and be like, yes, the doctor gave me this. He is like you have to take two in the morning, but make sure you eat you take it, not before. He knows anything about everything medical.
S. OSBOURNE: He's like as soon as you come in with like a bag from the pharmacy, he's in it, looking at it, reading all the little print.
MORGAN: Of course you are a chronic hypochondriac. Even better, because you are constantly think you are about to die any way. So this book is a like testament. You think you've got problems? Yes, you have.
O. OSBOURNE: When I had the back accident, my heart stopped twice. And I wanted to find out how it kept going.
MORGAN: How did it keep going?
O. OSBOURNE: I haven't got a clue.
MORGAN: As I talk to you, it seems that the Osbournes, despite everything, despite all the downs, all the mayhem, all the thing, you have all arrived, careened might be a better way of describing it, in to a pretty good place. Kelly is doing fantastically well now in many areas of entertainment. Amy seems very happy not doing the entertainment route.
Jack, you have had a very successful movie and you're doing lots of other exciting projects. Ozzy, you are clean. You seem much more content than you have been probably previously, and touring successfully. And Sharon, you get to work with me, which is the pinnacle of anyone's career.
S. OSBOURNE: Here we go. You had to end it on that one.
MORGAN: Trying to find a positive for you. When you look at it --
O. OSBOURNE: He's a (EXPLETIVE DELETED.
S. OSBOURNE: Why we love him.
MORGAN: The point I was going to make was do you feel, though -- do you feel you're in a good place now as a family. Do you feel like all the torment has been worth it?
S. OSBOURNE: Yes. But always, even when things have been, you know, really, really down, we are so blessed. We're so lucky.
O. OSBOURNE: You know, I was meant to be with Sharon and Sharon was meant to be with me. MORGAN: I totally believe that. Knowing you as well as I do now, I couldn't imagine inflicting either of you on anybody else. It is perfect marriage made in hell. Jack?
J. OSBOURNE: Oh yeah. Try growing up with it.
S. OSBOURNE: Where did we find little Jack?
MORGAN: Jack is a lone voice of sanity.
J. OSBOURNE: Oddly. My life is absolutely insane right now.
MORGAN: Jack, have you got have something to tell me.
J. OSBOURNE: (EXPLETIVE DELETED). Well, yes. I guess technically I do have something to tell you. I'm about to be a father.
MORGAN: No. No! Seriously. Is that right?
J. OSBOURNE: Yes.
MORGAN: That is fantastic. You are going to be a grand dad.
O. OSBOURNE: Again.
MORGAN: How do you feel?
J. OSBOURNE: I'm excited. I'm a little nervous, but I'm excited. It's going to be fun. I'm not going to do a reality show, though.
MORGAN: Ozzy, how are you feeling about this?
O. OSBOURNE: I'm in shock.
MORGAN: Good shock?
O. OSBOURNE: I think it is fabulous. It doesn't matter what I feel. The baby's on its way. So --
MORGAN: What a revelation.
S. OSBOURNE: I'm happy because it's what Jack wants. And so I'm happy and I've always wanted to be a grandma.
MORGAN: You are not a grandma, right?
S. OSBOURNE: No.
MORGAN: Ozzy's a grand dad by your first two kids. But this is it you are going to be a granny.
S. OSBOURNE: Yes.
MORGAN: I'm going to have so much fun with this. S. OSBOURNE: Oh, no.
MORGAN: Thank you. Jack, you have made my decade.
S. OSBOURNE: Oh!
MORGAN: Grandma, sit with the kettle and let's have a cup of tea, shall we?
S. OSBOURNE: Oh!
MORGAN: Congratulations, seriously. And I couldn't be happier, granny.
S. OSBOURNE: You've put your head up your (EXPLETIVE DELETED) now.
MORGAN: That's the end of a quite extraordinary encounter with the Osbourne family.
And now --
S. OSBOURNE: Anderson Cooper starts right now.