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Shocking Twists in the Michael Jackson Death Trial; Stunning Possible Break in Case of Missing Baby Lisa

Aired October 21, 2011 - 19:00:00   ET



JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST: I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell live in Los Angeles right outside the courthouse where an absolutely extraordinary cross-examination of the prosecution`s star witness is underway.

Let`s go back into the courtroom.


DR. STEVEN SHAFER, ANESTHESIOLOGIST AND PROPOFOL EXPERT: Myself, Curtis Wright of Food and Drug Administration and his team. David Goodell and his team at AstraZeneca and of course with Don Sansky (ph). This was a collaboration. It wasn`t just some idea, but I proposed the framework. These were the questions that had to be balanced, and then I did the simulations, which allowed us to come up with that three to five minutes.

EDWARD CHERNOFF, DR. CONRAD MURRAY`S LEAD ATTORNEY: The danger of rapid infusion of bolus is apnea.

SHAFER: Say it again.

CHERNOFF: The danger of a rapid infusion of a bolus is apnea, right?

SHAFER: Yes, yes.

CHERNOFF: As you rapidly infuse, we have even with 25 milligrams, a high level --

SHAFER: That`s the blood. It`s irrelevant. You have to look at the red line, which is the brain.

CHERNOFF: And by the way, let`s talk about the brain for a second.

What was Michael Jackson`s brain Propofol concentration in this case?

SHAFER: I did not know that there was a brain concentration, but these simulations permit us to understand the effect site levels.

CHERNOFF: Dr. Shafer, I`m not asking about your simulations. I`m asking what did the coroner say is his brain Propofol levels?

SHAFER: I would need to look at the coroner`s report to see that.

CHERNOFF: Please do.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: While Dr. Shafer is doing that, may I see counsel?


VELEZ-MITCHELL: And now, the witness, Dr. Shafer, the prosecution`s star witness and noted anesthesiologist is going over the coroner`s report on cross-examination by lead defense attorney Ed Chernoff.

And what is so fascinating about this cross-examination is that another attorney, Michael Flannigan, another attorney on the defense team, Michael Flannigan, was supposed to do this cross-examination, but there was a last minute dust up change, 11th hour switch in strategy, and Ed Chernoff ends up taking the reigns and doing this cross-examination. It`s that critical.

Does that mean that the defense is on the defensive? Possibly on the ropes? And does everything rely on this cross-examination? I believe it is perhaps the most crucial aspect of this case. We`re going to take a brief break.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, a stunning, jaw-dropping, possible break in the case of beautiful missing baby Lisa. Not one, not two, but three witnesses claim they saw a man holding a baby that look like it could be little Lisa the night the child went missing. But this is a police evidence that reveals a cadaver dog hit inside Lisa`s parent`s home. So, what really happened to baby Lisa?

And another frantic search tonight. A 5-year-old girl wanders out of her home and vanishes. Her mom frantically calls 911, but is there something troubling in the mother`s past. In an ISSUES`s exclusive, I`ll talk to investigators on the case.

Plus, shocking twists in the Michael Jackson death trial. An 11th hour shakeup in the defense team. This as Dr. Conrad Murray appears agitated and distraught as the prosecution`s star witness lays out exactly how he thinks Dr. Murray caused Jackson`s death. Is the defense running scared? We`re taking your calls.

ISSUES starts now.

I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell live in Los Angeles right outside the courthouse where the Michael Jackson death trial is taking place. They have broken now. There were fireworks in court as Dr. Murray`s defense team grills this prosecution`s star witness, more in a moment.

But first, big, breaking news in the missing baby Lisa case.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Baby Lisa`s been missing over two weeks.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There is now word witnesses saw something strange in the street that night and it involves a baby.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Kind of frightening, actually, because we`ve never really had anything like this going on.

The only thing I can think of is maybe somebody wanted a baby and she, I hope that`s what it is.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Seen a gentleman walking up the street carrying a baby.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I close my eyes and I see her --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re optimistic that she`s still out there and still alive. And the family prays for her return, her speedy return.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Explosive developments in the baby Lisa case. Shocking new details in this search warrant affidavit. Cops say the scent of death was found in baby Lisa`s home.

Also tonight, three eyewitnesses now claim they saw a man with a baby walking on the street the very night baby Lisa went missing. It`s extraordinary. Listen.


LISA, WITNESSED MAN WITH A BABY: It was about 12:15. My husband was leaving for work. And we were paying attention. He kind of stopped and was looking down the street, which was kind of odd. Because normally, he just gets straight into his car and then leaves. At that time, when ever I looked out and I kept watching him, he was kind of looking down in the bushes. And the next thing you know, we seen a gentleman walking up the street carrying a baby.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow, this woman lives only three houses away from little Lisa`s home. And another witness says he also saw a man matching that description carrying a baby three miles away from the home. At about 4:00 in the morning. That`s the same night this child disappeared. The exact same hour baby Jeremy`s dad -- the baby`s dad, Jeremy Erwin, I should say, calls 911.

So, OK, does this confirm baby Lisa`s parents` theory of a baby snatcher, or does new evidence point at them in a possibly game changing revelation? The police affidavit finally reveals why cops got a search warrant for baby Lisa`s house.

It says quote, "The cadaver dog indicated a positive hint of a scent of deceased human on an area of the floor of Bradley`s bedroom near the bed."

I`m taking your calls on this. What`s your theory? 1-877-JVM-SAYS. 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to CNN`s Sandra Endo on the ground at the house with the latest on this shocking new information in the search warrant.

SANDRA ENDO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Jane, it all started Monday when investigators went into the house behind me of baby Lisa. That is when the parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Erwin allowed investigators in, and that is when police say an FBI cadaver dog, as you`ve been mentioning, got a hint of a scent of a dead person inside Deborah Bradley`s home on the floor area around her bed.

That is why they say they needed a bigger search warrant in order to go into their house and explore some more.

Also, in this affidavit for a search warrant, police said that in initial conversations with Deborah Bradley, she said that she didn`t check behind their home for the baby, baby Lisa, because she was quote, "Afraid of what she may find."

So those two basis are the reason why police filed this document in court and asked for a larger search warrant.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Same prosecutor, Stacey Honowitz, a cadaver dog hits on human decomposition in the bearing room where the missing baby`s mother said she passed out after a night of heavy drinking. And three people see a mystery man walking with a baby in 45 degree temperatures the very same night. What is your theory?

STACEY HONOWITZ, PROSECUTOR: Listen, if a cadaver dog is hitting on human decomposition in the bedroom of the house where the baby`s missing, there`s something to it. Especially if that was the grounds to get the search warrant. The search warrant is very telling.

We all saw yesterday on the air, 20 agents with, in hazmat suits going with X-ray machines to check out the walls, to check out the floors because of what the cadaver dog hit on.

And certainly, there have been inconsistent statements with the mother. The idea that the lights were on. A stranger coming in and flipping lights on to take a baby out. It sounds a little suspicious. And I think what`s highly suspicious in this case is the fact that she won`t let two other potential witnesses, her other children, talk to the police officers.

I think that`s very telling. I think the idea when your child is missing, you`re afraid to upset the other two children is a really lousy excuse. So, I think we`re going to have to wait and see. I think the police officers have already spoken to those other three individuals with regard to seeing this person come down, but the idea that it`s --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. But wait a second, Joey Jackson, couldn`t it point to a baby snatcher by the same token? Couldn`t it point to a baby snatcher? The fact that this man is seen walking down the street with a baby.

JOEY JACKSON, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think it really could, Jane. A couple of things to point out. Number one, with regard to the cadaver dog and the positive hit, we all know that there could be false positives. What does that mean? It means the cadaver dog may hit on something, however, it may not be what they --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s assume for a second it`s an accurate hit.

JACKSON: Oh, well, if it`s an accurate hit, Jane, then obviously it`s problematic, because these dogs, you can argue, are very highly trained. And as a result of their training, they would hit on something that would be or suggest --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What does it show, though? What does it show? OK, you`ve got --

JACKSON: It shows -- it could show that --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The baby possibly dying inside the home.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: And then you have a man walking down the street at around the same time holding a baby that`s naked mostly in 45 degree temperatures.

I want to go out for a second to Steve Moore, who joins me.

You`re a former FBI agent. Can you connect the dots on those two reported events?

STEVE MOORE, FORMER FBI AGENT: Well, if you`ve got a cadaver dog hitting on human decomposition, it would indicate that there was a dead child in the room. Not somebody coming in snatching a child and taking it somewhere else.

The type of things that happen with a kidnapped child do not include killing them at the place you take them. It changes the character. It changes the entire thinking process of the investigation if you believe that the child died in the room.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: How long, if OK -- the affidavit says that they -- I`ll just read it. A positive hit for the hint of a deceased human in the area of the floor of Bradley`s bedroom near the bed. That`s where she said she was sleeping.

How long does it take for a body to develop the scent of death? How long if there was a body, if this hit is accurate, and I know there could be mistakes, but how long would it take for -- how long would the body have to be there?

MOORE: Jane, the studies I`ve looked at say that no dog has ever hit successfully on a scent where the body, where the person or the body had not been dead for an hour to an hour and 15 minutes. That`s the earliest threshold.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And usually?

MOORE: About three hours, they`re going to be fairly accurate.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. So whatever body was there, if I pray it`s not, but if it was this child there for probably at least an hour and 15 minutes, possibly three, maybe more.

Let`s look at the timeline of events from the night baby Lisa went missing, OK.

After buying the wine, Deborah puts Lisa to bed at 6:40. She drinks with her neighbor until 10:30 at night. They`re drinking on the stoop, OK. She says she went to bed not even two hours later.

At 12:15 in the morning, witnesses see a man with a baby walking down the street. Again, it`s very cold. The baby is wearing almost no clothing. 4:00 a.m., another witness says he sees a man matching that description holding a baby three miles away.

This is the same hour, the very same time that the baby`s dad says he has come home from his overnight shift. Doesn`t find the baby and hysterically calls 911.

So, my question is, Bill Grady, reporter KNBZ, you are tracking this case. What theories are developing as to what could have happened between well, either 10:30, when the mother says she went to sleep and 12:15 a.m., or is it possible that the child, we don`t know aside from the parents saying that they put the child to sleep or the mother put the child to sleep at 6:40, we really don`t know when that child was last seen by somebody other than the family, do we?

BILL GRADY, KNBZ REPORTER: No, because the mother has given, according to police, some conflicting statements. Now one of the attorneys in the case, Joe Tacopina, says that may have been because she was under such emotional duress and that may account for the four-hour time lapse.

And so quite honestly, Jane, the investigators here are doing everything they can to sort of firewall this case. And they`re really not saying very much, but I`ve talked to a couple of retired police officers who have expressed some concerns and said that, you know, things just don`t add up and the way that everything is starting to come to the surface now, it just, the sequence just doesn`t seem to fit. It`s a little disjointed.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But who is this mystery man? We`ll discuss it on the other side.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was just kind of walking at a steady pace, not in a hurry. Then the gentleman actually turned like he was going to go in the grass to go into one of the houses up the street. So, that`s why at that time, we did not think anything of it.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: That is one of the three witnesses who saw a man walking with a baby, almost naked baby, in the dark, 45-degree temperatures at the very time that baby Lisa is reported missing in the very same neighborhood.

Now I want you to take a close listen to that description of events that night. It`s fascinating.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And then he had the baby in his arms, and he had the baby`s head kind of like this, so we just seen the baby`s arm and then the leg was down here. And he was kind of just like, I don`t know if he was trying to protect it from the cold or if he just, you know, if he was just holding the baby.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, we`re going to go out to the phone lines. They are lighting up.

Lori of New Hampshire? Your question or thought, Lori.

LORI, NEW HAMPSHIRE: Hi, Jane, how are you?


LORI: When I first heard this today, I can`t remember, but when she was in the store buying the wine, it wasn`t her brother with her, didn`t he have a white T-shirt on? And could it be possible that she`s on the baby and got a hold of him --


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, we`re going to go to that video. Let`s go to the video.

Excellent, Lori. Let`s go to the video of the mother. There is -- I can`t tell. No, that`s not a white T-shirt. That`s a black T-shirt. And also, he is not, well, he`s slim. But he`s -- I want to go to the description.

Bill Grady, give us a description, and we`ll put it up at the same time. What`s the description of this mystery man who is seen with the baby? A baby?

GRADY: Well, it`s very similar. He was 5`7" to 5`8", 140 or 160 pounds, and that`s about as specific as folks have gotten, Jane.

And I might add that, again, because the police aren`t actively commenting on the evidence that they`re gathering in the case, but one of the retired police officers I talked with expressed concern that these folks didn`t come forward earlier. The latest gentleman that saw the man with the baby --


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Bill, I`m going to interrupt you for a second because we have a sound bite from the other -- involving the other man. The couple that you heard from, not the only witness. Another man actually offered the exact same or very similar story. Listen to this.

From "Good Morning America."


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 4:00 in the morning, 45 degrees. The baby don`t have a blanket, a coat or nothing. And this guy`s walking down the street. I thought it was kind of weird.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Joey Jackson, two people. Three people. Two -- a couple and this other guy. They see a man in a white T-shirt walking down the street with a baby.

Cops hit -- the cadaver dog hits on the scent of death in the mother`s bedroom. She is passed out, drinking. What are some possibilities?

And I`m thinking maybe when she was drunk and in a blackout, she made friends with somebody who came into the house. She passes out and then he leaves with the baby?

JACKSON: Well, you know what, Jane, that`s one possibility, but the only thing is is that would have to be reconciled with what the other expert on the show said, which is how long a body would have to be there for a dog to pick up on the scent.

And so there`s one of two possibilities. Either, A, what you just suggested, right, or B, it was someone completely a stranger who came into the home, carried the baby out and the baby just unfortunately expired and they`re an hour away. So time will tell.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: More on the other side. We`re just getting started.



JOE TACOPINA, ATTORNEY FOR BABY LISA`S FAMILY: That the truth is going to come out. I know it will eventually. It always does.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re looking for a baby. We can`t wait until she gets home.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER OF BABY LISA: We need her home. I can`t live without her.

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN ALL-PLATFORM JOURNALIST: As soon as this search warrant was issued Tuesday night, police showed up here two or three cars at a time barring access from the family into Baby Lisa`s home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why are we focusing on Debbie? Debbie`s the mother, yes. But we should be focusing on her. This is who is missing, you know. Until we find her, nobody`s going to know.

BRADLEY: Only thing I could think of is you know maybe somebody wanted a baby and she, I don`t know --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, you know, things aren`t adding up -- and so you just -- you want to believe that there`s not a crazy person out there who`s taking babies, but you also want to believe the mom, too.


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST: Fast breaking developments in the hunt for missing Baby Lisa. Three witnesses coming forward saying they saw a man carrying a baby wearing only a diaper on the very night Baby Lisa disappeared. It`s extraordinary.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was about 12:15. My husband was leaving for work. And we were paying attention -- he kind of stopped and was looking down the street, which was kind of odd. Because normally, he just gets straight into his car and then leaves. At that time whenever I looked out and I kept watching him, he was kind of looking down in the bushes and the next thing you know, we seen a gentleman walking out the street carrying a baby.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Stacey Honowitz, this search warrant affidavit also shows that on October 17th, an FBI cadaver dog was brought into the home and hit a positive hit for the scent of a deceased human in an area of the floor in the mother`s bedroom near the bed.

Now we know that she had been drinking. She admitted she had at least five glasses of wine. She was also, reportedly taking anti-anxiety meds.

Give us some scenarios, Florida prosecutor Stacey Honowitz.

STACEY HONOWITZ, FLORIDA PROSECUTOR: Well, investigators are certainly looking in the scenario involving her. When you have a cadaver dog that comes in and hits on the scent of death, where do you go? Where do you look to?

It`s in the bedroom of the child who is now missing, with a mother whose statements have been inconsistent throughout with things that just don`t add up. The problem with the timeline and these other witnesses is her stories have been changing.

So when these people saw this individual, why they didn`t come forward just doesn`t make sense. There has to be a focus on the parents when a cadaver dog hits. That`s why you saw 20 agents in there yesterday in hazmat suits taking x-rays, checking the walls, looking to see what`s there.


Steve Moore, former FBI agent. Ok, add to the fact the mother is rip- roaring drunk. She blacked out because she doesn`t remember key events, she says. Or maybe she`s not telling the truth about that. But you have to put that into the equation. Could she have passed out, met this guy, passed out and maybe doesn`t know what happened because she was in a blackout?

STEVE MOORE, FORMER FBI AGENT: I would think that if she had remembered anything about meeting a guy and the baby was gone, she would have been screaming about that. I think it`s more likely that something happened while she was unconscious essentially and now, I mean, the person walking with the T-shirt on. They weren`t prepared to walk outside. The baby wasn`t prepared to walk outside. That was spur of the moment. You`re seeing --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Do you think the baby is dead in this scenario? I pray it`s not. But at the time that it`s being carried? Do you think that the baby is dead?


MOORE: I think you have to think that that`s a possibility.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Where is this baby? I mean, where does somebody take a baby walking in the middle of the night? And my last question and it`s something that we all should think about, if somebody is trying to hide a baby that is deceased, why are they walking along the street for everybody to see? Carrying the baby? Wouldn`t it be just as easy to wrap the baby in a towel and hide it? That`s what I don`t understand unless that individual is also drunk.

MOORE: Panicked.


MOORE: Panicked. They don`t know what to do. They`re drunk and they panicked. They don`t plan it out.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. We`re going to move on to another horrifying case of another missing child. Check this out.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A 5-year-old girl who had something happen to her; something that we don`t yet know.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Cannot help but love her, so I miss everything about her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s important in the success of resolving this case that the public be hyper aware of their surroundings.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She said she wanted to be a ballerina when she grew up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are hopeful that she will come home safe.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- it`s just falling apart but the only thing holding me up is I know Jahessye would not want me to give up.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: A 5-year-old girl vanishes from her own home. Jahessye Shockley was at her Glendale, Arizona home on the evening of October 11th. Her mom says she went out to run an errand and left this precious child with her three older siblings. By the time the mother gets home, she said Jahessye has vanished into thin air.

Police thoroughly canvassed the area. They claim they have several leads.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have not named any suspects in the case. We do have many persons of interest.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Investigators continue to search the area; still no sign of Jahessye. Where is this beautiful little girl?

And we`re also taking your calls on this one, 1-877-JVM-SAYS.

Straight out to our exclusive guests, Sergeant Brent Coombs of the Glendale, Arizona Police Department. Sergeant, you`ve been working on this case furiously. I know you have your officers all over this, your detectives all over this. What can you tell us about this child?

SGT. BRENT COOMBS, GLENDALE ARIZONA POLICE DEPT: Well, I can tell you, Jane, it has been ten days now and certainly, we have reason for concern. If it would just be simply that Jahessye had walked away from her house, we would have certainly heard something by now. She would have shown up, somebody would have found her.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So, what about the mom? I understand that the mother has a history. What is that history? And have you been able to exclude her? I mean she says she goes out to do an errand and comes back. You`ve got the three siblings saying oh, the child was here just a couple of minutes ago. I don`t know where the child went.

What do you know about the mother`s history?

COOMBS: Well, I can tell you that the investigators that are close to this case are aware of the mother`s history, although I can`t speak to specifics of that history. We are aware but simply it remains that our commitment is to find Jahessye and hopefully finding her safely.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I can tell you, Jahessye`s mother, Jerice Hunter -- this is not to say she is a suspect in any way, shape or form in the disappearance of her child -- from what we know she`s hysterical and looking for her child. But she has a history of child abuse. That`s simply a fact.

In 2005, she and Jahessye`s father, George Shockley, did quote, "wilfully and wrongfully inflict cruel and inhuman punishment -- corporal punishment and injury resulting in a traumatic condition. Now, this was before Jahessye was born and the mom was sentenced to eight years in jail, but she only served a fraction of that time. George Shockley, the father, is a convicted sex offender, but he is currently behind bars in prison.

A family member claims that she suspects that this little girl who disappeared may have been abused, but this is just a claim by a family member. Let`s listen.


LISA VANCE, COUSIN: At our functions, at our get-togethers, Jahessye was not herself. I seen marks on Jahessye that led me to believe that she was being abused in Jerice`s home.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Sergeant Coombs, have you talked to the mother about the child`s disappearance? Does she have a firm alibi? Is there surveillance of her shopping?

COOMBS: Yes, we`ve certainly talked to Jahessye`s mother from the very beginning. We`ve interviewed her on multiple occasions and, on a daily basis, were in contact with her and she is working with us currently.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Joey Jackson, what really bothers me about this case, the three older siblings were taken from the home and, according to published reports, they were split up into three different foster families. That outrages me. These kids have already been traumatized by the disappearance of their kid sister and now, they`re being split up by the foster care system. It`s outrageous, Joey.

JOEY JACKSON, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know what, I understand that, Jane and you should be outraged and we all should be. At the same time though, the children need to be protected. And if doing that puts them in a safe environment and allows the Child Protective Services to get information that they need to solve the case then I think ultimately we`re all in a better position.

Hopefully, that`s temporary. Hopefully it`s temporary, they`re reunited at some point, but you have to do initially what needs to be done to bring this girl back safely and soundly to her family.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It breaks my heart.

Paul Penzone, former sergeant, Phoenix Police Department, what do you make of this case?

PAUL PENZONE, FORMER SERGEANT, PHOENIX POLICE DEPT: Well, just on what you`re speaking of, although it is very difficult, you never want to separate kids like a situation we have here, which you also don`t want as they could be critical witnesses in this investigation. So their ability to communicate with each other would actually impede their ability to speak independently what they knew.

But this is a situation, our valley (ph) is very much focused on this case. Glendale PD, I was so impressed with the level of resources they committed from the very first day with this case to ensure that they were doing everything possible. And I think a lot of that goes to the coverage on shows like these for other kids that we`ve seen missing.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And let me say, we`re not going to give up. We`re staying on top of this case until that child is found. That`s a promise.

Keep it right here.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It didn`t faze Sandra Stosz when she was only one of 30 women to enter the U.S. Coast Guard Academy in 1978.

SANDRA STOSZ, SUPERINTENDENT, COAST GUARD ACADEMY: It really helped I was one of four children, the other three being boys. I`ve always been fortunate to be able to look at the bigger picture and see the opportunities way beyond the challenges.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That attitude and hard work helped Stosz become one of the first women to be promoted to admiral and command a coast guard ship. She is now the superintendent of the Coast Guard Academy, the first woman to lead any of the nation`s five military academies.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s a great example for females especially in a male-dominated culture, to see that if you work hard, they you really can go far with your career.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stosz is passionate about providing all of the academy cadet cadets, which includes more than 300 women, with the tools for success.

STOSZ: Too many people are looking for a secret ingredient and are trying to take lessons from what everybody else tells them that the way to succeed. You just need to be yourself. Stand tall, proud and confident.




VELEZ-MITCHELL: The war of the nerds.

ALAN DUKE, CNN PRODUCER: I heard Ed Chernoff, the lead defense lawyer, in a heated decision really with Dr. Paul White. They were talking about not taking something personally.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: He never used the phrase, "What a scumbag."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This defense is going to take on this man who many consider to be the father of Propofol.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That is so completely and utterly inexcusable.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s a war between two doctors. They used to be friends. Not anymore. They probably deleted each other from the Facebook world. Both are anesthesiologists and they are both opposing witnesses in the Michael Jackson death trial.

On one side, we have Dr. Paul White. He`s the guy with the cup right there on the right; in the blue shirt, Dr. Steven Shafer. They are entering the ring, you see them there. The two battling each other as the defense fights among themselves. There`s stress, there`s tension, the pressure is on; the prosecution wrapping up its case in a very pretty little bow; so much scrutiny of the defendant over the past few days.

Today, the defense tried to turn the tables in cross-examination and the defense suddenly, they switched strategy. Ok? They threw out the science guy. The attorney, Michael Flannigan, oh, he`s gone, at least for this cross-examination.

Ed Chernoff, the lead attorney, steps in. He big foots. He`s the one doing the killer cross-examination. He`s the one who is going to tear this star witness, Dr. Steven Shafer, apart limb from limb. Or at least try to.

Joining me now, CNN producer, Alan Duke; how bad is the blood in this courtroom?

DUKE: It`s pretty bad and the judge had to scold Dr. Paul White the anesthesiology expert for saying some bad things about his former medical student, Dr. Shafer. It`s a rivalry, there`s a jealousy that Ed Chernoff, the lead defense lawyer is going to try to show that there is this rivalry and that is motivating Dr. Shafer in his testimony against Dr. Murray.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So, it`s gotten personal. I know you don`t like to use bad words, so I`m going to.

DUKE: Thank you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Dr. Murray -- I don`t mind -- Dr. Murray was visibly shaken. And that`s true -- I think we got some video of Dr. Murray, the defendant, visibly shaken. And the reason why, was that there was some damaging testimony in court. There he is. He looks very upset.

He supposedly turned to Dr. White, his defense anesthesiologist, and said, "Can you believe that?" And then Dr. White allegedly said, "What a scum bag," about the prosecution anesthesiologist.

Now I know that there`s been a change in that. Tell us what the change is.

DUKE: Well, the doctor, Dr. White says he didn`t use that word but that he did directly speak to the deputy district attorney, David Walgren. He said in court -- he turned to him and said, "This is unethical, unconscionable." And he admitted that.

The judge scolded him and there is a contempt of court hearing next month about some of these things he said about Walgren and Shafer.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So it`s getting personal. It`s getting ugly now. The prosecution anesthesiologist -- one of the reasons why this is so tense is that he delivered some zingers. He said the facts show unequivocally that Dr. Conrad Murray gave Michael Jackson 40 times more Propofol than he admitted, 4-0. Ok. He also said that even if Jackson had injected himself six times, he would not have been able to give himself the amount of Propofol found in his system.

Beth Karas, you are out there at the courthouse. Is the defense repairing this damage at all in its cross-examination of Dr. Shafer, the prosecution`s star witness?

BETH KARAS, CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": They really haven`t gotten to that yet and they probably will on Monday when the cross continues, but according to Dr. Shafer, that 100 millimeter bottle -- that big bottle basically continued spilling into Michael Jackson even after his heart stopped beating, so the Propofol didn`t break down. The defense, we believe, is going to say even a small amount can cause your heart to stop beating and cause those elevated levels in his system. But I don`t know what the truth is.

The jurors had a very compelling demonstration using an IV stand to show how it was done to Michael Jackson, but the defense says they are all wrong.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, take a look at this. We`ve got an IV stand right here on our set. In fact, I`ve said since this trial, I never knew in my entire life that I would be spending so much time next to an IV drip, right. And luckily, I`m not plugged into it or I`d be asleep.

But take a look at this. This is the heart of the case and this little gizmo right here, ok -- this little gizmo is the very heart of the heart of the case. Because the prosecution believes that Dr. Murray basically opened this and put a whole bottle of Propofol into Michael Jackson. The defense is probably going to argue, well, maybe Michael Jackson did it to himself.

And that`s all the time we have for right now but we have more in just a moment.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s happened on farms today is where bad has become normal. Animals are treated like commodities, not like living, feeling animals. They`re put in cages and crates and they`re packed so tightly they can`t walk, they can`t turn around, they can`t even stretch their limbs.

BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Changing the culture is hard. It`s turning a shift around (INAUDIBLE) iceberg. But I think we`re beginning to turn it around.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And if they knew where these turkeys came from they wouldn`t want to put them on the table.

CLINTON: I was lucky I didn`t die of a heart attack.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: The giant factory farming industry in America, a growing number of critics say it`s cruel to animals, it creates pollution that devastates our environment and Americans are literally eating themselves to death; the national diet heavy on meat and dairy, which are artificially cheap because factory farms are subsidized by federal dollars, your tax dollars.

Next week a groundbreaking event, the national conference to end factory farming will be held in Arlington, Virginia; focusing on three huge issues: health of Americans, pollution, and ending the abuse of farm animals.

I`m joined by Brian Walsh, senior reporter at "Time" magazine who has written about factory farms in a groundbreaking story entitled "Getting Real about the High Price of Cheap Food". Thank you for joining us, Brian.

What`s the connection between obesity, agricultural subsidies and, in your opinion, factory farming?

BRIAN WALSH, SENIOR REPORTER, "TIME" MAGAZINE: Well, essentially, agricultural subsidies -- that billions of dollars of taxpayer money that you mentioned -- really helps a lot of farmers to produce at extremely low cost all the staples that are now part of the American diet, whether that`s corn, where the corn then goes and other grains that go to create meat, produce meat in a way that`s much cheaper and more concentrated than you might otherwise. The result being, of course, you have very, very low cost meat. You have snack foods. Other foods that are fattening and not very good for you that take advantage of that very low cost grain.

And the result is a diet that is not good for you, that`s actually cheaper and, unfortunately, actually where you don`t end up seeing subsidized often are vegetables, fruits, other foods that would be a lot better for you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And you`re seeing animals how they are treated in America`s factory farms and then you`re also seeing animals the way they`re supposed to be. So we`re showing you different kinds of imagery.

To learn more about this issue, you can go to And gain, we`re showing you a video of factory farming in America today. It`s not pretty.

You`re going to be the keynote speaker at the national conference to end factory farming. Tell us what your reaction is when you found out, for example, that hogs were packed in cages so tightly there`s no room to move and that that creates lagoons of manure that in turn impacts pollution. So that`s one aspect of the problem, is it not?

WALSHI: Absolutely. You know, that`s just one part it. You can look at the waste problem you mentioned; I mean billions of tons of waste. More manure being produced by our farm animals than waste from human beings. And it`s not often very pleasant to live next to.

And then there`s a larger problem, often have to use antibiotics and other drugs to keep these animals healthy when they`re being raised in these kind of conditions. That can actually have an impact on human health as well because it can lead to the rise of resistant bacteria coming out of those farms that can actually then threaten human beings as well.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And I think that a lot of people are now suddenly becoming educated about this issue. It had been in the dark for so long.

On the other side of the break we`re going to talk about what people, what Americans can do to make things better.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Brian Walsh, senior reporter at "Time", what do you think that this conference -- the conference on factory farming in Arlington, Virginia is going to accomplish, if anything?

WALSH: You mentioned that you really see people beginning to pay attention to where their food comes from. I think this conference is going to be part of that overall effort. Really, once you start to show people images of what life is actually like in some of the worst sort of conditions, once you begin to get educated to the risk of human health not to mention, of course, as you mentioned the risk for diet and obesity.

I think that begins to start a reform movement and that can be both in terms of telling your senator, telling your representative that they want better laws on the farms but also you can just buy better food yourself, whether it`s organic or looking local. That could make a big difference.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you so much. And I think it`s great that you`re participating in this incredible conference.

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