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New Dawn in Libya; European Reaction to Moammar Gadhafi's Death; Watching the Water in Thailand; Questions Arise Following Moammar Gadhafi's Death; Chinese Toddler Yue Yue Dies of Complications Following Accident

Aired October 21, 2011 - 08:00:00   ET


KRISTIE LU STOUT, HOST: Welcome to NEWS STREAM, where news and technology meet.

I'm Kristie Lu Stout, in Hong Kong.

New dawn in Libya. It is the first day of a new era without former dictator Moammar Gadhafi, and we will get the latest from our team there and reaction from around the world.

Opening the floodgates. The Thai government takes action that could flood part of the capital in an effort to save the rest.

And the young victim of a double hit-and-run in China loses her fight for life.

For the first time in 42 years, Libya is without Moammar Gadhafi. But can the war-ravaged country unite under a new government? And just how did Gadhafi die?

Now, we are taking a closer look this hour.

Thursday's announcement that Libya's seemingly once invincible ruler had been captured and was dead sparked mass celebration. Crowds poured into the streets of Tripoli and other cities in a wave of joy.

On Saturday, the National Transitional Council is expected to officially announce Libya's liberation, and NATO meets later on Friday to discuss ending its air campaign.

Many Libyans have never known a leader other than Gadhafi, who came to power in 1969. He ruled the country with an iron fist for decades. And while there's no denying he was a brutal dictator, many people around the world are questioning the manner in which he died. The U.N.'s Human Rights Office says there should be an investigation.

Libya's ambassador to the United States says revolutionary fighters found Gadhafi hiding in a large drainage pipe after a NATO attack on his convoy, and that blue graffiti there says, "This is the place of Gadhafi the rat." That's a reference to the late colonel's description of the protesters.

And cell phone video, it shows Gadhafi was captured wounded, but alive. And I have to warn you, some people will find this very difficult to watch. I'm going to press play here, and in this clip, you can see Gadhafi surrounded by NTC fighters. He's wiping the blood off of his face, but soon he is dragged off the hood of that truck. And it's unclear what happens next.

Libya's transitional prime minister says Gadhafi was put in a vehicle and then shot in the crossfire during clashes with his loyalists, but several media reports suggest that he was executed. And some say that this golden pistol was used to kill him.

However it happened, his body was put on display on Misrata. We won't show you the graphic and disturbing images of people taking pictures of his corpse.

And now that a new era has begun, what does Libya need from the West going forward?

Now, Libya's ambassador to the U.S. talked with our Wolf Blitzer about one need -- securing Gadhafi's arsenal.


ALI AUJALI, LIBYAN AMBASSADOR TO U.S.: We want to support, to help the Libyans to go through this process. And we want also some expert to help us to get rid of this kind of armed missiles, which Gadhafi took them away. We don't know where they are.

WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: The shoulder-fired missiles?

AUJALI: The shoulders.

BLITZER: Thousands of them that are on the loose.

AUJALI: Yes. But believe me, after the end of Gadhafi, we'll not see people fighting for them anymore. Gadhafi is over. The ones that were fighting with Gadhafi --


BLITZER: Well, the concern is some of those missiles could be on the black market and then get in the hands of terrorists.

AUJALI: They would have -- they have no place to sell them in Libya.

BLITZER: In Libya, but the concern is it could get out of Libya.

AUJALI: No. I think the borders now are tight with Africa, Egypt, Tunisia. (INAUDIBLE) now, after -- especially after Gadhafi's era is over, I think will be very difficult.


STOUT: Loved by a few, loathed by many, Gadhafi was a man who divided opinion. And now, in the aftermath of his death, we are seeing a range of reaction across the Middle East.

Arwa Damon is in the Lebanese capital, Beirut. She joins us now live.

And Arwa, what has been the response across the region?

ARWA DAMON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it has been a lot of shock, naturally. It's seen yet another dictator who so many thought was invincible in that state, his capture. And then, of course, those horrific images that came out afterwards showing him clearly dead. And especially, we've been seeing quite the reaction coming out of Syria, from the Syrian opposition.

There has been (INAUDIBLE) amongst various people that have been involved in the uprising throughout the region, but especially between the Libyans and the Syrians, likely because of the violent nature that the uprisings there have taken. And in Syria, we have been seeing, on this day, people, activists taking to the streets, demonstrators chanting to one another not to worry, because Bashar al-Assad's turn would be coming after Gadhafi's.

We saw this in one area in the northwestern part of the country. People also carrying various posters showing Gadhafi and Bashar al-Assad images side by side.

We also saw similar demonstrations in Damascus and in Hama. There are a number of opposition Facebook pages that are also basically asking how Bashar al-Assad would like to go, whether he would like to follow the path of Tunisia's Ben Ali and run away from the country, and duck behind bars like Egypt's Mubarak, or, if like Gadhafi, would he want to flee and then be hunted down and killed?

All of this being said, though, Kristie, when it comes to the uprising. People are wondering if Syria is in fact going to be next.

It is quite important to point out that the Assad regime, at this point in time, still has a fairly strong grip on power, those critical pillars that are holding up the Syrian government right now, things like the Syrian security forces, the merchant middle class, regional players like Iran, international players like China and Russia. Those pillars are still, at this point in time, quite strong, and the Syrian opposition, fully aware of this, is saying that it's going to continue to try to keep up the pressure by going out and demonstrating, but also calling for more international intervention -- Kristie.

STOUT: Now, Syrians have returned to the streets today, voicing their opposition to the government. Arwa, I wanted to get your thoughts in general about the Arab Spring movement and how it will move next. Will the death of Moammar Gadhafi have a ripple effect? Will we see another leader fall?

DAMON: Well, if you ask the activists in the various countries like Yemen, Syria, Bahrain, for example, they most certainly do hope this is going to prompt even more people to take to the streets, that it is going to, yet again, shatter the image of an invincible dictator who cannot be touched. When it comes to what's happening inside Syria, for example, one activist who I was speaking to was pointing out that people who support the Syrian regime were mocking NATO, were mocking the Libyan rebels for their inability to capture or kill Gadhafi two months after Tripoli fell.

Right now, the hope is that the fact that Gadhafi has been killed is going to perhaps dampen that defiance to the fact that these regimes could not actually come next. But, again, if there is anything that we do know about what is now happening in the Middle East, and that is that these events most certainly have taken everyone by surprise.

So it's very difficult to predict exactly who is going to go next and when.

STOUT: Arwa Damon, joining us live from Beirut.

Thank you.

Now, it is a story we have been covering for months. It is one we will continue to follow.


STOUT: Coming up, we are back in Libya, getting reaction from around the world.

And we go to Thailand. As floodwaters encroach on Bangkok neighborhoods, desperate times call for desperate measures.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was really shocked. I was in the middle of doing an experiment in the lab, so I was really shocked. I didn't know. Really, I was, like, really happy, and I received phone calls from Libya, from my family, and from people -- from some of my friends. And yes, it's just amazing.


STOUT: Libyans in London wasted no time celebrating the death of Moammar Gadhafi, and many waved the new Libyan flag and chanted in support of Libya's National Transition Council and the revolutionary fighters who overthrew the nation's longtime leader.

And leaders from around the world are reacting to the death of Moammar Gadhafi. The British prime minister, David Cameron, paid tribute to the victims of terrorism sponsored by the dictator.


DAVID CAMERON, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: I think today is a day to remember all of Colonel Gadhafi's victims, from those who died in connection with the Pan Am flight over Lockerbie, to Yvonne Fletcher in a London street, and obviously all the victims of IRA terrorism who died through their use of Libyan semtex. We should also remember the many, many Libyans who died at the hands of this brutal dictator and his regime.

People in Libya today have an even greater chance after this news of building themselves a strong and democratic future.


STOUT: Now, France also played a significant role in the NATO air strikes that ultimately helped the NTC depose Gadhafi. And Don Riddell joins me now live from Paris.

And Don, what has been the reaction there in France to the death of Gadhafi?

DON RIDDELL, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It's interesting looking at the front pages today, Kristie. They're pretty of fact.

We've seen some newspaper headlines in Britain, where there's been really unbridled celebration at the death of Colonel Gadhafi. The French newspapers, really pretty matter of fact about it.

As you can see here on the front page of "Liberation," "End of a Tyrant." "Le Parisien" going with, "The End of Gadhafi."

President Sarkozy has been speaking this morning, and he gave quite an interesting quote. He said, "We should never rejoice in the death of a man regardless of what he has done." But the French media are certainly playing up the fact that their forces were absolutely instrumental in this entire operation, and that President Sarkozy really played a key role.

Remember, it was French jets that first opened fire on that column of tanks that was making its way into Benghazi. Crucially, it was a French Mirage jet that fired upon the convoy that was trying to escape from Sirte yesterday, just before -- just prior to Gadhafi's capture and death.

And I think this really is a moment that the French are really quite proud of, but they're certainly not getting carried away in the celebration of Gadhafi's death.

STOUT: That's right, the French had pushed hard for NATO action in Libya.

What is France saying about NATO's military operation in Libya and where it stands now?

RIDDELL: Well, both the foreign minister, Alain Juppe, and also President Sarkozy have spoken about that within the last 24 hours, and they're pretty much saying it's over. To quote Juppe, the foreign minister, he said, "I think we can say that the military operation is finished. All of Libya's territory is now under the control of the National Transitional Council, and subject to a few transitory measures in the weeks to come, the NATO operation has now come to an end."

President Sarkozy backing that comment up this morning and saying really what happens now is up to the Libyans. We will be there to help if necessary, but the next moves really are down to the Libyan people.

STOUT: What is the thinking among other European leaders about what's next for Libya? I mean, can it make the transition from over 40 years of authoritarian rule to a new, more representative government?

RIDDELL: Well, if you speak to any analysts who are experts in the region, of course they will tell you it's very, very difficult. Forty-two years this country has lived under one regime. And of course there are many tribal factions within Libya.

You won't find any European leaders bringing that up, but they all acknowledge the importance of the next move for Libya. The German chancellor, Angela Merkel, today saying, "Resolute steps towards democracy must now be taken within Libya." And clearly, it's in the best interest of many European countries for Libya to manage to get itself back on its feet, and listening to President Sarkozy this morning, you certainly get the sense that they're prepared to offer help if required, but it really has to come from the Libyans themselves first.

STOUT: All right.

Don Riddell, joining us live from Paris.

Thank you very much for that.

Now, just hours after the death of Moammar Gadhafi was confirmed, thoughts in Libya and across the world were already turning to the future and to a new dawn for a country freed from more than four decades of dictatorship.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The dark shadow of tyranny has been lifted, and with this enormous promise, the Libyan people now have a great responsibility to build an inclusive and tolerant and democratic Libya that stands as the ultimate rebuke to Gadhafi's dictatorship.


STOUT: The U.S. secretary of state learned the news that Gadhafi might have been captured during her trip to Afghanistan. Hillary Clinton was preparing for an interview at the time, and the cameras were rolling.


HILLARY CLINTON, SECRETARY OF STATE: Wow. Unconfirmed, yes. Unconfirmed, yes.


CLINTON: Unconfirmed reports about Gadhafi being captured. Unconfirmed, yes. We've had a bunch of those before. We have had him captured a couple of times.


STOUT: Interesting reaction there.

Now, the U.S. special representative in Libya says that Gadhafi's death removes a lot of insecurity from the country, but he says the next phase of transition will have its own challenges.

U.S. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon agreed, calling Thursday's events the end of a painful and tragic chapter. He says the focus now must be healing rather than revenge.


BAN KI-MOON, U.N. SECRETARY-GENERAL: The route ahead for Libya and its people will be difficult and full of challenges. Now is the time for all Libyans to come together. Libyans can only realize the promise of the future through national unity and reconciliation. Combatants on all sides must lay down their arms in peace.


STOUT: Now, Gadhafi had vowed that he would die rather than surrender to the revolution.

Our Dan Rivers has details from Tripoli. But again, I need to warn you that some of the images you're about to see are disturbing.


DAN RIVERS, CNN SR. INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This was how it all ended for Moammar Gadhafi. Cornered and injured, the former dictator was apparently trying to escape Sirte. He appears bloody, but alive here, but died soon afterwards, according to NTC officials. His golden gun, brandished in wild excitement by NTC troops who seized him, a potent symbol of his decadence.

The news of his death spread rapidly across the country, disbelief turning into jubilation in Tripoli.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are very free, and I feel that my birthday is today. I feel that I'm six hours old, really. Libya is free without him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are so happy. It's the greatest moment in all my life. And I have my brother who was killed by Gadhafi forces on the 20th of February. We were so, so sad, but now it's a great moment.

We are so happy. We are so, so happy.

RIVERS (on camera): Many of the people here have known nothing other than Colonel Gadhafi's 42-year rule. They cannot believe now that, finally, he is dead, that Sirte has fallen, and the war is over. Just look at the sea of flags out here in celebration.


RIVERS (voice-over): U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton learned of the news from her BlackBerry as she prepared for an interview.

CLINTON: Unconfirmed reports about Gadhafi being captured.

RIVERS: But soon, officials were confirming the momentous news, and it didn't take long for the U.S. president to react himself.

OBAMA: Today we can definitively say that the Gadhafi regime has come to an end. The last major regime strongholds have fallen. The new government is consolidating the control over the country. And one of the world's longest-serving dictators is no more.

RIVERS: The Arab Spring came here on February the 17th, when a rebellion against Gadhafi's iron rule spread. Now the winds of turmoil and change that are blowing so strong across the Arab world have claimed yet another victim, and Libya is finally free of the man who so brutalized this country.

Dan Rivers, CNN, Tripoli.


STOUT: And do stay with us. We will have more on Libya without Moammar Gadhafi.

And coming up, the danger of flooding. Thai authorities open Bangkok's floodgate to try to minimize the damage.

And hopes dashed. The support and medical care given to a Chinese toddler who was twice run over last week, it all came too late to save her.


STOUT: Broadcasting live from Hong Kong, you're back watching NEWS STREAM.

Now, residents of Thailand's capital are preparing for floodwaters to rise, and the prime minister has asked all Bangkok residents to move their belongings to higher ground, but he has urged them not to panic. Authorities are using the city's canal system to try and drain water from northern provinces into the sea, but that raises the risk of flooding in Bangkok. And some northern suburbs are already inundated.

The flooding is the worst the country has seen in half a century, and Paula Hancocks reports from a suburb in north Bangkok.


PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra has told all residents of Bangkok to start moving possessions to higher ground, at least a meter above what it is at the moment. Obviously, there are still fears, significant fears, that the central business district and the inner city of Bangkok could still flood.

Now, obviously, that warning has come too late for this particularly neighborhood. This is in the northern suburb of Bangkok. It's called Rangsit. And you can see just how devastated the area is. Just a week ago, we were driving down this road, and there was no water here at all.

Local residents say that this happened in just the last 24 hours. We were further into this neighborhood just a little earlier today, and we were thigh-high in water. There were people who were desperately trying to save any possessions they could from the ground floor of their houses and trying to move it to higher ground. Some people were evacuating and trying to take all their possessions on any boat that they could find, any plastic tarp, any Styrofoam, even. Anything that would actually float.

So, certainly for this particular neighborhood there is a lot of misery. It's likely that this neighborhood is a casualty of the government's decision to open some of the gates and open some of the canals to try and ease the pressure of water that's coming down from the north.

They announced this just recently, that they were trying to regulate the flow of water through central Bangkok. Of course, this particular area has flooded significantly.

There's not much confidence in the government here, I have to say. At the beginning of the week, the government said they thought that central Bangkok would be safe. They had to do a huge about-turn. And many of the people here are having to fend for themselves.

They're having to evacuate their own houses. And whoever has a boat is trying to help whoever doesn't have a boat. You haven't seen many military trucks in this particular area, and residents say that they haven't received aid at this point.

Paula Hancocks, CNN, Bangkok.



STOUT: And up next here on NEWS STREAM, joy in Libya. But will the euphoria over the death of Libya's long-feared ruler Moammar Gadhafi help unite the country?

And tragedy for the family of the little girl hit by two vehicles and left on the road to die. Her story has caused an outpouring of emotion in China and around the world, and today she has lost her battle for life.


STOUT: I'm Kristie Lu Stout in Hong Kong. You're watching News Stream. And we will bring you more reaction to the death of former Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi in just a moment. But here's other stories we're following this hour.

Now Spain is welcoming an announcement by the Basque separatist group ETA that it will lay down its arms and negotiate. Leaders say talks with Sinn Fain leader Jerry Adams and former UN secretary-general Kofi Annan played a key role in the decision. Now more than 800 people have died in ETA's decades long fight for an independent state.

Now the U.S. secretary of state has warned Pakistan to crackdown on militants and deny insurgents a safe haven in the country. She made the comments while on a short tour of the region that has so far seen her visit Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Three leopards, one grizzly bear, and two monkeys are now safe in a zoo in the U.S. state of Ohio. They are the only survivors among 56 wild animals who were released by their owner on Tuesday before he killed himself. Now police shot and killed the rest of the animals saying they had no choice as night approached.

Now Libya's interim prime minister says now is the time to start a new Libya with one future. Libyans dance in the strees, shot guns into the air to celebrate Thursday's capture and death of feared dictator Moammar Gadhafi. But questions remain about whether the once all-powerful Gadhafi was essentially executed or was caught in the cross-fire and killed. The UN says the circumstances need to be investigated.

Now at least three of Gadhafi's sons are thought to be dead. And the latest is Mutassim, pictured right here. Now he was killed in Sirte on the same day as his father according to an NTC military spokesman. And images have surfaced of his body. But the circumstances surrounding his death remain unclear.

And a senior member of the NTC says his brother, Saif al-Islam, pictured here, is being followed and will be captured soon. Now Saif al- Islam was once considered his father's heir apparent. And previous reports claim that he had been killed or captured.

Now China, which had been a major buyer of oil from Gadhafi's Libya is urging Libya's interim government to begin an inclusive political transition. Beijing has been strengthening ties with the National Transitional Council after initially criticizing the NATO air strikes that help topple Gadhafi's regime.


JIANG YU, CHINESE FOREIGN MINISTRY SPOKESMAN (through translator): We home Libya can launch an all inclusive political transitional process as soon as possible. And we also hope that they can uphold its national solidarity and unification. China will continue to support the Libyan people's effort in promoting stability and economic reconstruction. We believe all parties should launch an inclusive political process, realize reconciliation, and accommodate the different concerns and interests of different factions and uphold its national solidarity and reunification.


STOUT: Now the African Union said today that the chapter is closed on Moammar Gadhafi's rule in Libya. Nkepile Mabuse is in Johannesburg, South Africa. She joins us now for more reaction.

Nkepile, how are Gadhafi's former allies in Africa reacting to his death?

NKEPILE MABUSE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Kristie, I'm actually joining you from the presidential headquarters here in the capital city Pretoria. We've just come out of a press conference that was held by President Jacob Zuma and the chairperson of the African Union Teodoro Obiang Nguema who is the president of Equatorial Guinea, very interesting stuff coming out of both these two men from this press conference.

Of course, President Jacob Zuma was until about last week Thursday seen by many people as one of the few remaining allies of Moammar Gadhafi, but last week already President Zuma very critical, publicly criticizing Moammar Gadhafi, something that he had never done in the past before saying that the African Union will work better without Moammar Gadhafi, accused Moammar Gadhafi of intimidating members of the African Union. And he said that he -- Moammar Gadhafi was so obsessed with this idea of his of a united states of Africa that he actually stifled progress within the AU because that was all he ever wanted to talk about, because he wanted to lead this united states of Africa.

So today, President Jacob Zuma saying, you know, it wasn't surprising that Moammar Gadhafi was eventually killed. He says that Moammar Gadhafi himself said repeatedly that he would die in Libya. President Zuma adding, though, that those who are fighting for democracy in Libya, he believes would have wanted to see Moammar Gadhafi answer to charges, allegations made by the International Criminal Court of course that issued a warrant for his arrest. So he said that is what South Africa, as a president, he would have wanted to rather see Moammar Gadhafi answering to these charges.

The chairperson of the African Union Teodoro Nguema saying, you know, Moammar Gahdafi was no longer a prominent person in Libya, that the AU had already recognized the National Transitional Council. And he says now the African Union needs to focus on helping Libya rebuild itself and ensure that democratic elections happen in that country (inaudible) -- Kristie.

STOUT: All right. Nkepile Mabuse joining us live on the line there from Pretoria. Thank you very much indeed for that.

Now this photo right here on the touch screen, it clearly shows how quickly the region has changed. Now this was taken at a summit in Sirte, Libya in October in 2010. And Moammar Gadhafi is seen posing here with three of the other then leaders in the region. To the far left on the screen, that's Tunisian President Zine el-Abidine Ben Ali whose January ouster began the so-called Arab Spring. And then next to Gadhafi, you'll see the Yemeni president Ali Abdullah Saleh who was badly injured in an assassination attempt in June and only recently returned to this country after recuperating in Saudi Arabia. And to the right you will recognize former Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak who fled Cairo in February. And he is now on trial.

And it is a snapshot of a very different time in the Middle East, in the Arab world, as the world waits to see what the future holds for Libya.

And since January protests have taken place in each of these Arab countries, and the region's kingdoms have mostly managed to put down dissent, with some with incentives, others with force.

And in Syria, Bashar al Assad has waged a long and violent crackdown against protests that now look more organized. The death of Gadhafi may encourage activists to continue their struggle.

But while some uprisings have been more successful than others, they are all significant.


FOUAD AJAMI, HOOVER INSTITUTION: This year is to the Arabs what 1989 was to the communist world. And as we look at the communist world, post- communism was never easy but was good. And people witnessed liberty.

But the Arabs are now coming into ownership of their own history. And we have to celebrate this.


STOUT: And what is being called the first election of the Arab Spring is now underway as Tunisians who live oversees cast ballots for a national constituent assembly. Now polls open in Tunisia itself on Sunday. And voters are choosing more than 200 representatives to write a new constitution and appoint a new transitional government.

Now still ahead here on News Stream, we go to Guangzhou, China where the mother of a seriously injured toddler who was hoping for the best now has to deal with the worst.


STOUT: Now if you are a regular CNN viewer, you know that we have fixed our attention and global resources on the issue of human trafficking. So this weekend, we are proud to bring you the television premier of Not My Life. It's a documentary that delivers an unflinching look at this global problem.

Now the film is at times it's hard to watch. It is also hopeful.

Now consider the story of Grace. Now abducted from her home in Northern Uganda by the Lords Resistance Army, she was forced into a life of rape and murder at the age of 14. Here's a glimpse.


GRACE AKALLO, FORMER CHILD SOLDIER: A little home that there was a man and a wife who was very pregnant and that decided to hide this girl in their hut. And the rebels knew that the girl was there. So they went and pulled her out from under the bed and they forced us, the 30 of us, to beat this girl to death. And they killed -- they beat the man, the man that hid this girl to death. They beat the wife, who was very pregnant who has the baby in the stomach, to death. And so we left four people laying there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They forced you to do this?

AKALLO: They forced us to kill the little girl, but the man and the woman, the rebels themselves killed them. And then we started walking from that place.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The long march to the LRA camp in Sudan was a living nightmare.

Grace knows about the pain of deep suffering, but she also knows that suffering can be overcome and now has the courage to ask the most basic question of all: why?

AKALLO: This kind of evil must be stopped. It should never continue, because this was that evil that grown-ups are actually using children in armed conflict, grown-ups raping children, and grown-ups are destroying the future. It's something that I've never come to -- come into -- like I constantly want to find the answer why such a thing happens.


STOUT: A moving preview there. CNN's two night TV event, the CNN Freedom Project special presentation of Not My Life shown without commercial interruption. You can see part 1 Saturday night, part 2 Sunday night at 7:00 in Hong Kong, that's 4:30 in New Delhi right here on CNN.

I'm back now to our top story, the capture and death of deposed Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi. Now Dan Rivers joins us now from Sirte in Libya.

And Dan, I understand there's new information about Saif al-Islam, the high profile son of Moammar Gadhafi. What can you tell us?

DAN RIVERS, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, we're being told by the NTC that he is near Garian (ph) which is to the southwest of where we are now, down towards Bani Walid up in the mountains there. They are suggesting that he is there in some sort of convoy. And they are attempting to interdict (ph) him effectively, to stop him. That's about it as far as information, that's just from one NTC source. And we've got to be a little cautious on that.

In terms of where we are now, we're right in the heart of Disctrict 2 in Sirte. This was the scene of the fiercest fighting during the battle for Sirte. This is the highway down which Colonel Gadhafi's convoy tried to escape.

STOUT: OK, unfortunately we lost the audio there with Dan Rivers. You're seeing these pictures live from Sirte...

RIVERS: So, hopefully you can still hear me Kristie. Just the other interesting point here is not everyone is supportive of the killing of Colonel Gadhafi. One guy just came out behind us here and said are you happy with what you are seeing? They destroyed my home, you know giving us an indication he's not happy with what's happened here, not happy with the killing of Colonel Gadhafi perhaps unsurprisingly, because this town has had billions of dollars lavished on it by Colonel Gadhafi. It was his hometown. And people here probably felt that they got a pretty good deal out of the Gadhafi regime. Now all that is changed. And it's been on the receiving end of an absolute pummeling by the revolutionary forces.

One wonders how on earth they're going to rebuild this, or if they're going to bother to rebuild this, whether this will be left, because people here feel that this -- the people of Sirte -- or the NTC rebels feel the people of Sirte didn't rise up with them, that they sided with Colonel Gadhafi. And there may be a fair degree of animosity I would imagine.

STOUT: It's incredible, Dan, looking at the scene behind you and where the camera panned just now. Just we know where Moammar Gadhafi has spent his final moments right there behind you there in Sirte. Your'e also there in Sirte to get some answers to a lot of questions about the death of Moammar Gadhafi. And so what are officials saying about his death and his burial. What are you hearing?

RIVERS: Well, in terms of his death they are insisting that he was killed in the cross-fire as they tried to evacuate this. He had been injured when they -- when they captured him. He'd been shot in the arm. They claim that they were trying to get him to hospital and in that process he was shot through the head and died before they could get him to a hospital.

That's not quite chiming in with some of the other earlier reports carried by, for example Reuters, suggesting that he has been shot in the head, executed effectively by the mob here.

When you look at some of that cell phone footage of the moments after he was captured, it certainly appears like he's been given a pretty rough time, understandably perhaps. But what we don't crucially see is what happened next, whether he was executed by the troops here on the ground, or whether he was, indeed, hit in the cross-fire.

Perhaps for many Libyans none of this really matters, but some that we spoke to did want to have a trial of Moammar Gadhafi, to have him answer key questions and have him held to account effectively.

In terms of what's going to happen to his body, well, that again I'm afraid is unclear. There were reports that his body is in Misrata, suggests that it was going to be buried secretly. They don't want to create a shrine to Gadhafi loyalists. Much more than that, I'm afraid we don't know at the moment.

STOUT: All right. Dan Rivers, thank you very much indeed.

Dan Rivers joining us live from Sirte, it's where Moammar Gahdafi was killed on Thursday.

Now let's move on to our next story. Now she, the little girl, she was left badly injured on a road for 10 minutes, touching the hearts of people around the world who had never met her. And now Wang Yue, the two- year-old girl who was twice run over last week on a busy street in the south Chinese city of Forshan (ph) will never know how many her story moved so many people.

Now early Friday morning Yue Yue died in the Guangzhou hospital where she had been receiving care.

And from the time Yue Yue was injured until a woman moved her off the road, at least a dozen people had passed by and did absolutely nothing.

Now Eunice Yoon is in Guangzhou. She joins me live. And Eunice, you have met the family of the little girl and been to the funeral home. What was the atmosphere like?

EUNICE YOON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, very devastating, Kristie. As you said, little Yue Yue had taken her last breath early Friday and this is after a week in intensive care.


YOON: Across China, people absorb the news they were dreading, the death of two-year-old Wang Yue.

"Her little life has left this world," the doctor says. "We feel deep pain and shame as everybody does. We wish Wang Yue's parents a smoother future."

Over a week ago, little Yue Yue was brought to that hospital after being critically injured in not one, but two hit and run accidents. Her passing, though, hasn't stopped an emotional debate about the state of the country's morality as this headline says.

"We have to use the knife of conscience to cut out the cancer of immorality," it reads quoting the provincial governor. The public was shocked by the accidents, but also by the indifference of over a dozen people who walked by the bleeding child without stopping. It took 10 minutes before an elderly scrap peddler called for help.

Some blame the fast paced materialistic society as China modernizes.

"I can't understand the inaction of the passer's by," this man says. "People of my age are more traditional. We're different from the younger generation."

Wang's family is making funeral arrangements at this parlor. Before Yue Yue's passing, her mother had hoped for the best, but couldn't stop going back to that fateful moment.

"I just brought her back from day care. The next thing I knew she was missing," she says. "I have so much regret, so much regret."

Amid the backlash, prosecutors have opened their inquiry into the accident. Both drivers are now in custody. And the public continues to reflect.

"I'll think more about helping others," this woman says. "That's one thing positive out of this tragedy."

A two-year-old who wandered away from her parents and whose death has led a people to think and ask questions about their society.

Eunice Yoon, CNN, Guangzhou.


YOON: And Kristie, one person who the Chinese media are reporting who will be at the funeral service is the good Samaritan, the scrap peddler Chen Chen Mai (ph) -- Kristie.

STOUT: Eunice Yoon joining us live from Guangzhou. Thank you very much for that.

Now concerned netizens have been paying close attention to Yue Yue's condition. And Sina Weibo has set up another page here to remember the two-year-old little girl. The slogan here it reads Xiao Yue Yue (ph), rest in peace, there is no traffic in heaven.

You're watching News Stream. We'll be back right after the break.


STOUT: Now it is almost over, just the final remains in the -- this year's rugby world cup. Australia and Wales, it took to the field a short while ago as they battled for the bronze medal. And Australia were looking to put their semifinal loss to the All Blacks behind them and they got off to a great start as Berrick Barnes ran in for the try just 12 minutes into the game as the Wallabies went ahead 5-0.

Australia led 7-3 early in the second half, but Wales was determined to make a contest out of it. James Hook passes to Shane Williams who shows off some nifty footwork as he kicks the ball down the sideline before picking it up and touching down for the try to put Wales ahead 8-7.

Now the Wallabies reclaim the lead courtesy of two penalty kicks that made it 13-8. And they didn't stop there, Barnes, he finds the time and space to calmly land the drop ball to make it 16-8.

A Wales penalty brought them back to within five points, but Australia put it away late, thanks to Ben McCalman's try.

The Wallabies hold on to win 21-18 as they claim third place.

Now it is the trademark of the world's most famous rugby team, the Haka.

The All Blacks performing the Haka, it is a war dance from the islands of the Pacific. And it has been performed by New Zealand's All Blacks before every game for over 100 years. I'm going to let one of the All Blacks tell you what the Haka means to them.


JEROME KAINO, ALL BLACKS: The Haka is part of the multi-culture in New Zealand culture. And it's something that, you know, unites the team together before we go out to battle. And, you know, as a young kid you always visualize yourself doing the Haka in your living room or in the back yard before you play a game. And every time I do the Haka, I'd always draw back on those memories and kind of pinch myself that I'm actually doing it.


STOUT: Now as a part of the country's culture there are many different Haka performed by teams across New Zealand.

Now take a look at these kids from a youth tournament.

Those are some fierce looking kids there.

Now the Haka is popular that we have seen scenes like this -- flash mobs in Auckland performing the Haka in the streets.

The All Blacks perform one of two different Haka. There's the newer one, Kapa O Pango (ph), it caused some controversy for this gesture, it's a thumb drawn across the throat, which some interpreted as a throat slitting gesture. And the All Blacks says that it symbolizes drawing breath into the lungs.

But they modified the gesture anyway. And it was so controversial that the French once asked the All Blacks to not perform it before one match.

Now New Zealand face France in the world cup final. So which Haka will the French face before the match? We'll have to find out on Sunday.

And that is News Stream. But the news continues at CNN. World Business Today is next.