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Penn State Sex Abuse Scandal Unfolds

Aired November 8, 2011 - 19:00   ET



JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, a football coach accused of raping boys as young as 10 years old on campus. What did legendary head coach Joe Paterno know about the alleged assaults? Did the university cover it up? And are there other young victims?

And connecting the dots in the Baby Lisa investigation. Cops insist they`re still looking for the infant, but mystery swirls around a phone call made from a phone belonging to the baby`s mom. Tonight, I`ll talk to the woman who received the call in an exclusive interview. Who was on the other line?

Plus, we`ll have the latest on Conrad Murray`s first days behind bars. Is he on suicide watch? And what about the documentary he`s been working on? We`re taking your calls.

ISSUES starts now.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking news today. "The Patriot-News" reporting a potential ninth victim coming forward.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky was indicted on some 40 counts of sexually abusing young boys, charges that span more than 15 years.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is not a case about football. It`s not a case about universities. It`s a case about children who had their innocence stolen from them. And a culture that did nothing to stop it or prevent it from happening to others.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Grand jury report that alleges Sandusky used his position as a former coach and founder of an organization to help troubled youths to befriend young boys so he could sexually assault them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He would then, allegedly, sexually assault them in various places, whether it be in the locker room at the football stadium, at his home in the basement, or at a school. It was very graphic and very disturbing to read this 23-page report.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The simple fact is that the average pedophile is a guy that works with kids.

LINDA KELLY, PENNSYLVANIA ATTORNEY GENERAL: I don`t think that it would beyond -- be beyond the realm of possibility that there are other victims that exist here.

JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Where were the police? Where were the authorities? Why was no one calling them when all of these things were coming out, year after year?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The media and the fans and frankly a lot of Penn State alumni are not going to calm down about this in any way until they get resignations or firings. And that`s going to have to include Joe Paterno.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, a shocking child sex abuse scandal ripping apart Penn State University and the entire sports world.

Breaking news tonight. Good evening. Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you live in Los Angeles.

I`ve got to warn you, the details of this case are so disturbing, the allegations so graphic, but we`ve got to tell you what`s going on. As many as nine young victims, OK? They claim former Penn State football coach Jerry Sandusky sexually assaulted them on and off Penn State campuses. The victims, young boys, ages 8 to 14. Jerry Sandusky now facing 40 charges, including rape and assault.

The details are sickening. This guy, Sandusky, allegedly used a charity for troubled young boys, called The Second Mile, a charity that he founded to gain access to these vulnerable boys. He is accused of repeatedly engaging in sexual acts with children as young as 8 years of age.

According to the grand jury, he engaged in fondling, oral, and anal sex with young boys over a period of 15 years. And that`s just the accusations that we are learning about. Are there more?


KELLY: I don`t think it would beyond -- be beyond the realm of possibility that there are other victims that exist here.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: How could this have gone on for so long? And this is where it gets even more infuriating.

According to testimony in 2002, almost a decade ago, a graduate assistant saw, he says, he claims, Sandusky sexually assaulting a naked boy in the showers on campus. That graduate assistant told football coach, the legendary Joe Paterno, about what he saw. Joe Paterno then told the athletic director, Timothy Curley, but that is as far as it went.


KELLY: The incident, which occurred in 2002 at Lash Hall, where Sandusky was seen committing a sexual assault on a young boy of about 10 years of age, was reported to university officials by a graduate assistant who happened to be in the building late one Friday evening.

Those officials and administrators to whom it was reported, did not report that incident to law enforcement or to any child protective agency. And their inaction likely allowed a child predator to continue to victimize children for many, many years.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: And my question is, why the heck didn`t they call 911?

Curley, the athletic director, and university vice president Gary Schultz have each been charged with perjury and not reporting abuse. It would appear they tried to sweep it under the rug.

Sandusky went on managing a camp for young boys on a Penn State campus until 2008, six years after he was allegedly caught in the act. Six years after a sexual assault, allegedly, of a young boy reported, he`s still running a summer camp. How many of these alleged crimes, these rapes, according to authorities, could have been avoided?

I want to hear your take on this horrific story. Call me: 1-877-JVM- SAYS. That`s 1-877-586-7297. I want to hear from parents out there.

But first, to CNN correspondent Jason Carroll, live at ground zero on this story, State College, Pennsylvania.

Jason, we are hearing late reports that, according to "The New York Times," Joe Paterno`s tenure as coach, as legendary coach of the Penn State football team, will soon be over. What do you know?

JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, we know that there have been a lot of calls for his resignation, but just a few minutes ago, Jane, there was a massive rally in front of Paterno`s home, not far from here. Many of his supporters, many of them students, coming out in support of Joe Paterno.

He stopped for a moment. The crowd was hushed. He said, "God bless every single one of you."

And then shortly thereafter, his son, Scott Paterno, spoke, as well. When he was asked just about that, whether or not his father would resign, he said there have been no talks about resignations. He said that report was false.

When asked if he would -- if his father would be coaching at this weekend`s game against Nebraska, he said he would be coaching that game and all future games, as far as he knew.

So that`s pretty much the update there, in terms of what might happen in terms of a resignation of Joe Paterno.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me say this, Jason. You`re there where he has many, many supporters, but across the country, many people believe that, while Joe Paterno may have technically followed school policy, he should have done much, much more.

Here`s CNN legal analyst, Jeffrey Toobin.


TOOBIN: The fact that all he did was make one meeting with the athletic director and didn`t take steps to see that the police were involved and didn`t take steps to see Jerry Sandusky banned from the Penn State campus, I mean, is really shocking.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: And why is he shocked? Because, well, let me read you what was reported to have occurred, allegedly, in that 2002 encounter. An eyewitness said he saw, quote, "a naked boy, whose age he estimated to be 10 years old, with his hands up against the wall, and a naked Sandusky forcing him to have sex." There is nothing unclear about that.

I want to go out to David Clohessy, director of Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, who is also, I understand, a survivor of sexual abuse as a child. Thank you for speaking out.

Here`s what people are so outraged about. These are the, quote/unquote, "good people." These are the people who would appear to be on the face of it, until this news come out, beyond reproach. These are the squeaky clean people.

Now, Joe Paterno is one of the most celebrated and revered coaches in all of football, certainly college football. The state attorney general says he`s not regarded as a target, because under the statute, he had an obligation to report it to school administrators and he did that. But let`s be real. David, he`s far more powerful than any of the school administrators -- David.

DAVID CLOHESSY, DIRECTOR, SNAP: Absolutely, he is. He`s a smart, well-educated man and a powerful man. If he doesn`t have the decency and the courage to call 911 with a credible sex abuse allegation, how can we expect lower-level employees to do that, take that simple step?

That is our moral duty. Even if it`s not our duty under the law, every adult who sees or suspects a child sex crime has to call 911. And there`s no excuse for reporting it to anybody else or for minimizing it or concealing it or ignoring it, which is essentially what Paterno and other Penn State officials have clearly done in this case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It gets worse! This goes way back to 1998. In 1998, two kids reported Sandusky washed them during a shower. The state attorney general`s office decided not to prosecute, even though reports claim Sandusky admitted to showering naked with them.

This guy -- Cory Giger, a sports writer, host of "Sports Central," ESPN -- he has six adopted kids, this suspect, OK? This longtime colleague of Joe Paterno`s, this Sandusky guy. He has six adopted children, and he also has cared for foster kids. I mean, this is mind-boggling! Who knows where -- how far this goes, Cory?

CORY GIGER, SPORTS WRITER, ESPN`S "SPORTS CENTRAL" (via phone): As the state attorney general said, he is an alleged sexual predator. You see the devious behavior in terms of trying to lure these kids through gifts and promises and things like that. It all just adds up to really sickening series of events.

And I will agree with everyone that has said this already: there is no excuse for Joe Paterno not doing more. He might have been OK legally, and he`s not a legal target at this point in the investigation, but morally, Joe Paterno botched this situation to an incredibly negligent degree.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, yes. And we`re just getting started on this, folks. We`re going to tell you about his alleged grooming methods of these underprivileged kids that he has been applauded for doing so much for to the point where a president even said he was a point of light, OK?

Much more ahead. We`re just getting started.

I want to hear from you: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.

Then we`re also going to talk about the search for Baby Lisa. And we`ve got an exclusive interview with the woman who got the mysterious phone call from a phone that was supposedly stolen at the very same time as Baby Lisa. So we`re going to try to solve that mystery. But we are just getting started on this Penn State sex scandal. It`s a pedophile scandal.

We are just taking your calls, 1-877-JVM-SAYS.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is not a case about football. It is not a case about universities. It`s a case about children who had their innocence stolen from them. And a culture that did nothing to stop it or prevent it from happening to others.




DALE ARCHER, PSYCHIATRIST: The simple fact is that the average pedophile is a guy that works with kids. We always think that it`s some weird guy who`s psychotic and he, you know, finds kids and kidnaps them. That`s not the case.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: ABC caught up to this suspect, accused of 40 sex charges against boys. Jerry Sandusky, who worked hand-in-hand with Joe Paterno, and asked him about the charges. Listen carefully. This sound bite`s so short, we`re going to play it twice for you.


JERRY SANDUSKY, ACCUSED OF SEXUAL ABUSE: I`m sorry, but my attorney has advised me that the situation is in the courts, and I`m not to make any comments.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you tell us if you had any inappropriate relations with young boys, sir?

SANDUSKY: You didn`t hear what I said. I said, I am -- I`ve been advised by my attorney. I am following orders, and I am not privy to making any...



VELEZ-MITCHELL: According to the grand jury allegations, his grooming practices allegedly included gifts for these boys: Eagles tickets, golf clubs, gym clothes, cash. Then they`d stay over at his house, sleep in the basement. They`d get hair washing, back rubs, back cracking, and then kissing before moving to sex.

Stacy Kaiser, psychotherapist, is this, if it`s true, classic grooming?

STACY KAISER, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: This is very much classic grooming. And part of what he`s done, that we see a lot is, he`s made these kids want to do things for him. They need him. They want things from him. And so, in some ways, these kids are giving themselves permission, in a sense, to allow themselves to be put in these uncomfortable situations.

I think the other problem that we see here is, because he had such great accolades from people, these kids think he`s a good man. And so a lot of them probably walked around thinking, "It`s OK that I`m doing this, because he`s a good guy. I can trust him."

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Unbelievable! And again, congratulating himself over all the good work he`s doing with these underprivileged, at-risk young boys. And I definitely want to know, and think about this for a second, Jason Carroll, what is going to happen to his six adoptive children, as well as all the foster kids? Have they been taken out of the home, if they`re still there?

CARROLL: Well, his children -- his adopted children are all adults, living in various parts of the country.

Also, we can say in terms of his charitable organization, as you know, dealing with troubled young people, ever since some of these allegations came to light, Jane, in 2008, that organization, which he founded in 1977, the organizers said he would no longer be allowed to have access to any of the children with that organization. That happening in 2008, when the grand jury investigation got underway.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. It could have happened ten years earlier, had in 1998 the authorities prosecuted him for admitting to showering naked with two young boys.

Let`s go to the phone lines. Caroline, Nevada. Your question or thought, Caroline?

CALLER: I just had a comment. I am also a victim of child abuse, and it`s just so sad to hear this happening to these children. And the sad part is that, you know, it is -- unfortunately, it`s a pattern, you know?

The person doing this, you know, they brainwash them. They bribe them into doing what they need to do. And once the child does it once, the child feels so guilty and feels like it is their fault, because they said yes, or they allowed it for whatever reason. And after that, what can they do? They can`t tell anyone. They`re so ashamed. And these men, these grown men just take advantage of these children.


CALLER: It`s just so sad.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Caroline, you`ve made such great points. And my heart goes out to you. And thank you for speaking out about your abuse that you suffered.

And I want to go back to David Clohessy, who is also a survivor of abuse. Here`s what really -- there`s so many things that enraged me about this story. The CEO of the charity testified that, oh, athletic director told him it was an incident, but the information had been internally reviewed, and there was no finding of wrongdoing. Not calling 911.

CLOHESSY: That`s right. You know, an organization or an institution can have an internal review if they think that an employee is stealing on the job. But when the alleged crime is child sex abuse, you`ve simply got to call 911.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: More on the other side.



JOE PATERNO, PENN STATE FOOTBALL COACH: I`d like to answer questions, but I can`t do it now. I`m sorry. I have a press conference.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`ll have another one soon?

PATERNO: Hoping, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When all these things started being reported, it totally -- and when I say totally -- took me off guard. I mean, I was moved to tears. I looked at my children, because immediately I started -- I started thinking back to all the moments that I had at Penn State and all the moments I had with him. And just thinking to myself, how hard I worked to please him.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: The whole grand jury indictment is available online. You`ve got to read it. Go to And I`ve got to warn you, it is not an easy read. It`s very, very graphic. And my thoughts are going to be on

Personally, I think Joe Paterno has to go. Cory Giger, sports writer, "The New York Times" is saying that he is on his way out, but there was a rally where his son said, "No, not so fast." What say you? Does he have to go?

GIGER: He will have to go, without question. The major question is whether or not he`ll finish the season. They have three regular-season games left and a bowl game. We understand the board of trustees are meeting this evening and tomorrow. They`ll clearly be discussing that.

This is their final home game on Saturday. He may be allowed to coach that game. It would be the final home game, potentially, of his illustrious career. He doesn`t -- he coaches from the press box, anyway. He can skip out on his media post-game event, and he could be allowed to do that. But if this media -- if this intense scrutiny...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Cory, Cory, Cory, this is about money, is it not? It`s about power, reputation, and money at the end of the day. That was more important than the fate of an untold number of young boys who will be traumatized for the rest of their lives.

GIGER: I could not agree with you more. My opinion would be that they should cut ties right now, immediately, but the university has not made the right decision since 1998, so I`m not so sure that they`re going to be able to make the right decision in the next couple of days.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mala, Virginia, your question or thought. Mala, Virginia.

CALLER: Hi, Jane. I really, strongly believe that Joe Paterno needs to either quit or be fired. As an educator within the University of Pennsylvania, he is a mandated reporter, and he failed to do so. Him as a coach needs to be separated as him as a mandated reporter, and he failed those children miserably.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I agree with you, Mala.

Stacy Kaiser, psychotherapist, what irritates so many people is that this suspect is not your stereotype. So there`s a message here for parents.

KAISER: There is a message for parents. We see suspects all the time. I interact with these kinds of people. There is not a stereotype. Sometimes the people that you think are the kindest, the most helpful, the best of all, are the ones that are willing to perpetrate on a child.

We always need to be careful. We need to keep open lines of communication with our kids, even when they`re in college. And if somebody says something suspicious is going on, we need to believe them and take action.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: This story is not going anywhere. We`re all over it here on ISSUES, so stay with us every night.

Up next, will a mystery phone call lead to Baby Lisa? An exclusive, next.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Something is really wrong with mom and dad in this case. And I`m afraid that it probably is going to end up being something that led to the death of a child, I hate to say.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s putting puzzle pieces together of your, you know, suspicions or my own personal theories of what may or may not have happened that night.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He turned and looked at me and I looked at him, and I could tell he had a baby with him. She had a T-shirt and either training pants or a diaper on. It was too cold for that, I thought.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I hope they find whoever did it. I hope those parents weren`t involved.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Apparently there was a 50-second phone call made from one of the family`s phones to my cell phone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It really just takes the one right nugget of information to kick this thing off in high gear. And that`s what we`re still looking and waiting for.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lisa was this little girl that was going to hold this family together, that linked them together.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER OF BABY LISA IRWIN: She`s everything. She`s our little girl, she`s completed our family, and she means everything to my boys. And we need her home. I can`t be without her.


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST: Tonight, an exclusive for you in the missing Baby Lisa case. The child`s parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, say Baby Lisa was snatched from her crib in the dead of night more than a month ago. The night Baby Lisa vanished, three of the family`s cell phones also disappeared.

But one of those phones made a call to a woman named Megan Wright. She`s the ex-girlfriend of Jersey, the local handyman who was allegedly working nearby that night. We now have a clue about that mystery phone call.


MEGAN WRIGHT, RECEIVED CALL FROM MISSING PHONE: A guy named Dane supposedly had my phone all of Monday and Tuesday night, the third and the fourth of October, to the point where nobody else could have used my phone.


VELEZ-MITCHELL; All right. So who is Dane? We`re going to lay this out for you. Here`s the expanding cast of characters in this mystery: Deborah and Jeremy, the parents of Baby Lisa, who`s missing; Phillip Nets is Deborah`s brother, he`s the one who went with Deborah to get boxed wine shortly before the child vanished, allegedly. Then you have Baby Lisa`s half brothers, the two little boys who were at home that night. Then there is the lady with the pink hair, Megan Wright. She is the ex-girlfriend of the homeless handyman, who is known as Jersey, also known as John Tanko.

Now, her phone, Megan`s phone, got a mystery phone call the night Baby Lisa went missing. We`re going to talk to Megan in just a moment.

Then there is a mystery man who was seen walking around in the dead of night with a baby who was almost naked. And now the newest member of this mystery, a guy named Dane, who apparently had Megan`s phone when the call went through. What do you make of all this. Call me, 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1- 877-586-7297.

Straight out to CNN reporter Jim Spellman on the ground in Kansas City, where it`s all happening. What are the big bullet points, the headlines of the new developments?

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN ALL-PLATFORM JOURNALIST: We have another person on the scene here as well as Dane. We have a man named Shane. Now, this whole time we`ve known that Deb Bradley, the mother of Baby Lisa was out on her porch drinking with her next-door neighbor. We know -- now know that for at least an hour and a half of that time, a third person, a man named Shane, who was two doors down, had joined them. He wasn`t drinking, he tells. He would join them, smoking cigarettes, but it certainly changes the tableau of that night. He says he didn`t see anything. He says Deb Bradley didn`t check on the baby during that hour and a half time. But that really changes what was going on right here behind me that night -- Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And what`s really fascinating about all of this, Levi Page, and you`re a crime blogger Internet radio host is the call. Let me get my cell phone out so you can visualize it, the call that came from a phone belonging to the mother of the missing child, that was supposedly taken at the time that the missing child was taken, and went to Megan, who we`re going to talk to in a second, exclusively. This call was made between 8:00 and 8:30, according to published reports, which is before the mother says that she passed out while the child was still there. What does that tell you, Levi?

LEVI PAGE, CRIME BLOGGER AND INTERNET RADIO HOST: Well, it`s interesting, because Megan says that the person who had her phone that night was a man by the name of Dane Digler (ph). And I looked up this guy`s MySpace account and he said he`s a party boy. He says that his occupation is a "street chemist", and it says his expertise, he says, quote, "I wish it was being a dad. All I`m really good at is being a cracker. Damn right. And my name is Dane and I do drugs to deal with my problems. Anyways, later."

So this is not a very savory individual here, and there`s a lot of cast of characters in this case. And I think the two people that could sort this all out for us would be Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, and they are not cooperating with the police. They refused to sit down for separate interviews. They refused to sit down together. And they have yet to allow their children to be interviewed by a child specialist in the police department. So why are they not clearing all of this up? That`s the big question.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you, Levi.

And now we have our exclusive guest, Megan Wright. Now, Megan, thank you so much for joining us. We know that it`s got to be difficult for you to be in the center of this storm. And I assume you`re speaking out because you want to do whatever you can to help find this child.

Megan, ok, you have a phone. It`s a prepaid phone. A call came in from a phone that the cops say was one of the phones that was allegedly stolen from Baby Lisa`s mother`s home, at the very same time as Baby Lisa. Ok. It goes in at 8:00 p.m. That night, which is before the mother says she passed out. So that doesn`t make sense.

The second thing is, you`re telling me that your phone belongs to or was in the possession of Dane. Tell us about this guy, Dane. Because Levi Page is claiming that he`s into drugs.

WRIGHT: Well, there was eight people living at the house at the time, five adults and three kids. So my phone was pretty much community, which has been questioned, but it`s true. Dane was, from what I was told, I was downstairs at the time apparently the phone call took place, but from people in the house, what I heard is that Dane had my phone all night, to the point where nobody else could use it, because there were so many incoming text messages and phone calls for him.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. Now, as far as your ex-boyfriend, John Tanko, Jersey, who was allegedly working in that neighborhood that night, and has been arrested on totally different charges, and he appeared in court on totally different charges -- there he is. Megan, you told us that Jersey was into drugs, specifically meth. Let`s listen to what you said.


WRIGHT: I found out that he was getting into some drug activity.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you know what his drug -- what the drug is?

WRIGHT: Meth, from what I understand. He would disappear for hours on end with no explanation. He was quick to anger, last to understand, and it was just -- I just couldn`t handle it anymore. And towards the last couple of days, I was actually fearful for my safety, being around him.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. So we know that the missing baby`s mom admits that she had about five glasses of wine the night the child went missing. That`s why she says she passed out at 10:30, doesn`t know exactly what happened. There are also published reports she was on anti-anxiety drugs. Now a family member is coming forward and telling us that she, quote, "flirted with drugs", and may have had a problem with alcohol. That she liked to drink.

In your opinion, is there any nexus between Dane, who with apparently allegedly likes drugs, and the mother, who a relative is now saying flirted with drugs? Is this phone call -- could this phone call be about that?

WRIGHT: It`s possible. Like I said, I wasn`t around when he had my phone. I was downstairs; my phone was upstairs with Dane, apparently in his possession, from what I was told.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: I don`t know this Dane, but does he push drugs? Does he push drugs? Does he push drugs?

WRIGHT: Not that I`m aware of. I don`t know him well enough to know if he does or not.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: How about Jersey? Your ex. Has he ever sold?

WRIGHT: I know that -- not that I`m aware of, never in front of me, but it is possible. Like I said, towards the end of our relationship, we didn`t spend a whole lot of time together because he was at the release center. So his activities are totally unknown to me at that time.

By c-m: the way, if Deborah Bradley, the mother of the missing child, or her -- the man she lives with, not her husband, but the man she lives with, the father of the missing child, if they want to come forward, they are invited. We reach out all the time to their attorneys. We want to hear their side of the story.

But we`re also trying to find Baby Lisa and this cast of characters is very, very strange.

More in a second with Megan.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Misty Copeland is dancing her way to the top as the first black female soloist for the American Ballet Theater in more than 20 years. She`s a role model on and off the stage.

MISTY COPELAND, AMERICAN BALLET THEATER: The challenges of being one of the few black women in this field gave me this determination not the give up. I think that most people`s idea of what a classical ballerina is, is a white woman, you know, petite, without curves. So it`s very different from my build and my background.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Of course, curvy may not what you think of when you see Misty, but she`s changing the image of what a ballerina should look like.

COPELAND: I think I fit a new mold that I`m making for myself, of a ballerina. I really think that anything is possible if you truly are passionate about it and give it your all.

Ballet isn`t the only thing keeping Misty on her toes. She also mentors girls in ballet and in life.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She taught us that even if we`re different, if we`re unique, we`re just -- we can be just as equal as anybody else.




DEBORAH: Please, please, please, call the tips hotline. If you know where she`s at, then, if you have her, please, just take her somewhere safe. No questions asked. Just drop her off with somebody at a hospital, a church, the fire department, the police station, anywhere.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now an ISSUES exclusive. A father who knows exactly what it means to have an infant snatched from the safety of his own home. Gil Abeyta has been searching for his missing son, Christopher, for 25 years.

Gil, thank you for joining us tonight; your son was just 7 months old when he was taken from his crib. You and your wife were both accused at the time of being responsible for your son`s disappearance.

You have traveled hundreds of miles to now find Baby Lisa. You are on the ground in Kansas City. What is your theory of this case now, as we hear not just the homeless man and the mystery man with the baby? But now we`ve got Dane, the guy who supposedly had the phone when the call came in from the phone, from the family`s house, as well as Shane, some neighbor who was over there partying.

GIL ABEYTA, PRESIDENT, FAMILIES OF MISSING CHILDREN INTERNATIONAL: Ok. You know. This is the most unusual case I`ve ever been in. It goes in different twists and turns. We tried to focus on -- you know, when I came here and arrived here after a thousand miles, I was going to just merely help the family do anything I could based on experience and I could get in.

I mean, there seemed to -- they were given advice by their attorney and their private eye not to talk to anybody, and that`s in reverse of what should have been done. So little by little, we picked up information and started to come up with our own way of finding things and we --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What is your theory? Do you have a theory of the case, Gil?

ABEYTA: Well, let me share this with you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Do you think --

ABEYTA: We have a suspect.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Do you think you knew who did it?

ABEYTA: Yes. We think that. And we have the eyewitness. You know, remember the eyewitness who saw man carrying the baby late at night? That`s very unusual. And there was two witnesses to that. So what we did is we did some investigation, I have prepared a seven-page report to the FBI, and to the police department. They are reviewing it. And we feel somewhat confident that we`re on the right trail.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. I know you can`t name names and I don`t want you to for legal reasons, but is your suspect someone who is known to the family? Is your suspect someone who is known to the family?

ABEYTA: Yes, yes. Yes. Yes, it is.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Is it someone who lives in the community?


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Is it someone who lives in the community?

ABEYTA: Yes. Yes, it is.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I don`t want to play "20 Questions" with you, but we`ve got a big cast of characters here. Let me ask you this, do you think cops are about to make an arrest?

ABEYTA: I think they`re working on it. I think they`re trying to find out and validate the information that we gave them. I don`t think they`re -- I don`t know how close they are, because they don`t report to me, I don`t report to them, we just gave them the information, same with the FBI. But I can say that this is --


ABEYTA: Yes? Go ahead.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The prosecutor`s office says it could be years before this case is solved. Quote, "There is no case. Nothing has been presented to us. If it gets solved, it will be solved years from now. At this point, nothing has been presented to our office." But you`re saying something completely different.

ABEYTA: I`m saying to you that we have prepared a document naming a suspect near the family that has the experience, had the opportunity to be able to do this. Also, I want to add that that had the training to do this. Remember that -- training to do this. And so --


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Interesting. Pat brown -- I`m sorry, Gil, I don`t want to interrupt you, but, Pat Brown, criminal profiler is shaking her head -- Pat Brown.

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Yes, and snickering. Yes, I`ve read this. I see that Gil believes that there actually wasn`t a kidnapper and this child left that house alive. There is absolutely zero proof of that and there are cadaver dogs that say otherwise.

We have another interesting thing. Birds of a feather flock together. We have Jersey, we have this new fellow. Both of them are apparently into drugs. My guess is that house may be a meth house, because we`ve got one phone for everybody, kind of unusual, and the phone call comes from Bradley/Irwin residence, so what`s that connection? I would say there`s a connection drug wise.

And one more thing: remember Deborah Bradley once said she saw the baby at 10:30 and now she`s backed it up to 6:00? Well, my guess is because that phone call was made at 8:30 or whatever it was, and now she`s going to have to say, maybe I made a drug call and somebody came over and they took the baby then. So that`s why I think she backed the time up.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You know what, this is all speculation. Thank you, Pat, but we do not know. There are no suspects. Cops are saying there are no suspects. And no one has been named, even as a person of interest. Everyone`s invited on.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dr. Murray was being held to a higher standard than was realistic.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Conrad Murray didn`t testify, but if you want to hear Dr. Conrad Murray tell all, now is your chance. Just 24 hours after a jury convicts Michael Jackson`s doctor convicts him of involuntary manslaughter on Michael Jackson`s death, we`re learning his controversial documentary interview is just days away. Check out this sneak peek from NBC`s "Today" show.


DR. CONRAD MURRAY, FOUND GUILTY OF INVOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER: I think in many ways, you know, there were some mirror images of our lives especially not have the full appreciation from our fathers. He had a dad that never hugged him, never hugged his own children. He lived a life greater than 100 years of pain (INAUDIBLE).


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Straight out to Jen Heger, legal editor of RadarOnline. Give us the back story of this wild documentary that apparently he was involved in during his trial, Jen.

JEN HEGER, LEGAL EDITOR, RADAR ONLINE: Actually, Jane, it goes back a lot further than that. It goes back to the time when Dr. Murray was actually charged with involuntary manslaughter. Dr. Murray started out wanting to do this documentary to exonerate himself, to have the public have a better perception of him. But it evolved over time as probably being the only source of income that he would get in order to pay his attorneys.

I`m told that a -- I`m talking over 70 percent of the percentage that NBC paid for the documentary will be going to Conrad Murray`s lawyers.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, ironically he took a page from Michael Jackson. Remember after the controversial Martin Bashir documentary, Michael Jackson came out with the footage you were never meant to see, his own rebuttal documentary.

Let`s take another look at Dr. Murray`s documentary from NBC`s "Today" show.


MURRAY: He said of all my life I have found one friend, which is you.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. the company that produced this film secured access to Conrad Murray, again, in November of 2009.

Meantime, let`s talk about Dr. Murray behind bars. Some reports say he is on suicide watch. Describe what his jail experience is like now.

HEGER: He`s in solitary confinement. I`m told he`s not on suicide watch. He`s being held in a medical ward at the Los Angeles County Twin Towers Jail Facility. This is being done out of an abundance of caution to make sure that Dr. Murray is kept safe.

I`m told he`s not on suicide watch. But jail officials want to keep a very close eye on him and make sure that nothing happens to him while he`s in their custody. He, of course, was led away in handcuffs yesterday, which stunned a lot of people.

I think Judge Pastor sent a message to Dr. Murray that he would probably be sentencing him to the full four-year term that he can sentence him to. He spent the night alone last night in his jail cell. He`s not allowed to have any visitors yet, whatsoever.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Quick question, yes or no, are they going to appeal, yes or no? Yes or no?




LATOYA JACKSON, SISTER OF MICHAEL JACKSON: Michael loves everybody out here. I love him. We all love him. And guess what? He was in that courtroom, and that`s why victory was served.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: The Jacksons obviously thrilled by the guilty verdict. But now that a guilty verdict has come in for Dr. Conrad Murray, Jen Heger, tell us about the infighting and finger-pointing on the defense team.

HEGER: Well, has reported throughout the trial that Michael Flanagan and Ed Chernoff who had been very close, actually had a falling out over the decision to have Conrad Murray testify or not. Ed Chernoff had been living with Michael Flanagan at his house to save costs. Chernoff moved out a couple of weeks ago.

There`s also been some back and forth between Chernoff and Flanagan because after the verdict was announced yesterday, I`m told that Nicole Alvarez, who is the baby -- the mother of Dr. Murray`s son --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Got to leave it right there. Sentencing -- November 29.