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PIERS MORGAN TONIGHT

Interview With Manny Pacquiao

Aired November 11, 2011 - 21:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

FIGHT COMMENTATOR: Down goes Marquez on a straight left hand shot -- a perfect shot by Pacquiao.

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PIERS MORGAN, HOST: Tonight, he fought his way to the top of the world.

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FIGHT COMMENTATOR: Pacquiao lands an upper cut up the middle.

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MORGAN: The only fighter who could out-Rocky Rocky.

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FIGHT COMMENTATOR: Margarito is saying that Pacquiao is not hurting him, but his face is telling a different story.

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MORGAN: The best boxer in the world, perhaps ever.

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FIGHT COMMENTATOR: He is gradually reconfiguring de la Hoya's beautiful face.

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MORGAN: The smiling assassin, Manny Pacquiao.

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FIGHT COMMENTATOR: And that's a knockdown for Manny Pacquiao. Boom!

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MORGAN: He's the last man anybody who's sane (ph) would ever want to go up against. So, look who's getting in the ring with him. I've done some crazy things in my time. This may just be the craziest. Trust me. You've got to see it to believe it.

Morgan versus Pacquiao.

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MORGAN: Sorry, Freddie. That was an accident. That was an accident.

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MORGAN: Knockout, PIERS MORGAN TONIGHT.

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MORGAN: Good evening.

I'm at the famous Wild Card Boxing Gym in Hollywood with a man that many people consider to be the greatest boxer that's ever lived. Tomorrow night, he fights at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas in an HBO Pay- Per-View battle against a man he's already fought twice before, both in fairly contentious circumstances. It strikes me this one is not just business, it's personal.

And the man is Manny Pacquiao.

MANNY PACQUIAO, BOXER: Hi.

MORGAN: Manny, thank you for inviting me to your gym.

PACQUIAO: Thank you.

MORGAN: It's a great story for you, this gym, because 10 years ago, you walked in that door -- and Freddie Roach is here, it's his gym. He's arguably, the greatest trainer that boxing has ever seen.

PACQUIAO: Yes.

MORGAN: And your career is not going very well and you're needing a break. You need someone to spot your talent.

What happens when you come that day?

PACQUIAO: When I came here in -- in Wild Card, we just came here for just a vacation and looking for a boxing gym for workout. And I met Freddie Roach here in Wild Card and we do a -- we do -- we do mitts a couple of rounds and I like -- I like the way he trained. He do mitts and, you know, he's talking about the strategy and -- and he liked also my style.

MORGAN: Well, he said that after one round, he walked away and he said to a friend who was here, "This boy can hit." So, he knew immediately that you had an amazing punch. And he could see you could be somebody special. But I don't think either of you could ever have imagined that here we are, a decade later, and you've won world titles in eight different weights, which has never been done before.

Can you believe what's happened to you in your career?

PACQUIAO: I never expected what I have done in boxing and, you know, it's -- it's amazing and unbelievable. It's, you know, I think it's -- I'm just lucky and blessed by God. And I always praise God and give thanks.

MORGAN: In the Philippines, you are almost like a god there. The whole country comes to a stop when you fight. They say there's no crime in the Philippines when Manny Pacquiao fights. There's no cars on the road. Everyone stops. You represent your country.

Is that huge pressure or is it just a great honor to you?

How do you feel?

PACQUIAO: It's -- there's a pressure, you know, because all Filipinos, millions of Filipinos, they're hoping for victory in the fight. And I don't want to disappoint them.

So I have to train hard and, you know, make sure that I'm 100 percent conditioned on the fight and doing the fight. And it's a pressure. But there's a pressure -- but, you know, if you train hard and believe in God, I think nothing is impossible.

MORGAN: How do you feel when people say you're the best fighter there's ever been?

PACQUIAO: How I feel -- of course, I feel happy and people believing my talent, my capability in boxing. But I never -- you know, I don't want to think about what I have -- what I have done in boxing. I want to stay my feet on the ground, so to be friendly to everybody.

MORGAN: When you grew up, there was, as for many people in the Philippines, no money. It was a tough upbringing for you. Your father abandoned you. It's a well-known story. You were brought up by your mother and your siblings.

Your mother seems a very strong woman in your life.

Tell me about her.

PACQUIAO: She is. Yes. She's very strong and she teach -- she teaches us how to believe God, to work hard, how to, you know? But she teaches everything about what is life, how to live fair and no people - you know, you didn't hate people.

MORGAN: I mean it's a -- it's a nice thing to teach you, not to hate people. But you, when you get in the ring, are one of the most brutal boxers we've ever seen.

How do you deal with that? How do you manage to try and kill people with your hands but not hate?

PACQUIAO: I think this is -- this is part of the -- of the -- my career. Boxing is, of course, hitting each other. But what I mean is, you know, I'm always praying that in every fight, nobody gets hurt. I mean, what I mean -- what I mean is hurt -- hurt being like a bad hurt, you know? I mean, where the boxers is hitting another -- hitting each other, but I'm praying that even my opponent, I pray for him for a good fight and, you know, we can -- we can entertain people and people will remain happy.

MORGAN: When you were 14, 15, you took part in sort of street fights in the Philippines. And people used to get killed. I mean, they would die. You -- you had a friend of yours who died in one of those fights.

What are your memories of that time? What did you hope to achieve when you were doing those fights?

PACQUIAO: Yes. My close friend before and in boxing, he died in the ring while he was fighting. And all my -- all my teammates, they retired after that when my close friend died. But I'm the one who pursued my -- to continue my boxing career and ---

MORGAN: Did you nearly give up then?

PACQUIAO: The --

MORGAN: Did you think about giving up then?

PACQUIAO: No. No. I -- I told him to, you know, I would continue to fight in boxing and I will -- I will do everything I can -- I can give in, you know, I mean, make people happy.

MORGAN: When you get in the ring for a fight like you are tomorrow, as you walk in, how do you really feel?

PACQUIAO: I'm excited and, you know, I've been training eight weeks for this fight. So I think (INAUDIBLE) and I, you know, believe God and I know God is always guiding me and listening.

MORGAN: Freddie Roach tells me that you never cut your hair before a fight. You're like Sampson. You believe if you cut your hair, you'll lose your power.

Is that right?

PACQUIAO: Well, I mean, you know, it's my experience, before a fight, with short hair, I feel like I'm weak. But I -- I do try. My experience to fight long hair, I -- I feel strong and can, you know, can, you know, punch a bigger guy.

MORGAN: You've been involved in politics, in the Philippines. And people are expecting you to run for governor in 2013 and, potentially, to run as the president of the Philippines in 10 years time.

How realistic is this for you?

PACQUIAO: Being a public servant, this is a serious job, not like a boxer, you're entertaining people. But this -- this politics issues, it's a serious, you know, you're taking care of the problems of the -- of those people who are needing your help.

And -- and I'm serious to serve them honestly and to help them.

MORGAN: Because politics in the party, as you've said many times, is very corrupt. People know that.

Would you like to be in a position of power to change that, to make it a more honest politics?

PACQUIAO: That's what I am trying to do, to change the -- you know, the politics in the Philippines. You know, but like there's a lot of corrupt politicians. So that's -- I want to say to them that, you know, I'm the good example to, you know, to serve honestly.

MORGAN: How important is money to you?

Because you've made millions and millions of dollars fighting. You're one of the most highly prized sportsmen in the world now, in terms of your ability to sell tickets.

Does it motivate you, money?

PACQUIAO: Making money -- I'm happy, because, of course, every fight I make millions of dollars. But after the fight, you know, I'm sharing to the people, you know, poor people in the Philippines, giving charity for them.

MORGAN: The big question everyone asks you in every interview at the moment is: will you ever fight Floyd Mayweather?

What do you honestly think?

PACQUIAO: I never, you know -- right now, I'm not thinking about that.

MORGAN: Would you like to?

PACQUIAO: Like what I said, I'm more -- you know, I always fight whatever my promoter is giving to me, the opponent. So I'm willing to fight in any -- in any more -- anywhere, any time.

MORGAN: Do you think you'd beat him? Do you think you'd beat him?

PACQUIAO: It's hard to say. Of course, he's a boxer and I'm a boxer, also, and we train hard. So, it's hard to say right now.

MORGAN: But there's only one guy who's ever won eight world titles in eight different ways, and that's you, not him.

PACQUIAO: That's the only me. MORGAN: It's only you.

PACQUIAO: And -- but I'm not -- I'm not comparing, competing the -- some -- my record to anybody. I'm not, you know, I'm happy that I'm one of them giving excitement and an exciting fight to the fans of boxing.

MORGAN: I'm going to bring in somebody after the break who you know very well. It's your trainer, Freddie Roach, the man that you stood in here with 10 years ago, and get him talking about you and you talking about him, because he's a pretty amazing character, too.

PACQUIAO: Yes. He's a nice guy.

MORGAN: Well, not completely.

(LAUGHTER)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

MORGAN: We're back with my special guest, Manny Pacquiao, and his trainer, Freddie Roach.

Freddie, this is your lair, in the same way that Manny is reputed by many to be the best boxer that's ever walked the earth, you are said by many to be the best trainer.

What brought you two together -- fate?

FREDDIE ROACH, TRAINER: I believe so. You know, he walked in my gym one day. He was a -- a former world champion at 112 pounds and this little guy. And his manager, Mr. Nazario, asked me if I'd work the mitts with him. And he said I'm -- I hear you're pretty good in the mitts.

And so Manny got in there the first round and it was like we knew each other for a long time. We didn't miss a beat on the mitts. It was just really, really -- you know, like really testing of the first round.

I walked back to my guy and I said, wow, he can fight, what a puncher.

And Manny said to his manager, we have a new trainer.

MORGAN: I mean, he seems such a nice guy, right?

And he says you're such a nice guy. But you can't both be that nice, because you've become the most successful duo in boxing. So there's got to be a mean streak to both of you.

ROACH: I'd say we have mean streaks in us. I think we have killer instincts, you know? I think a good fighter has to have that. When you hurt somebody, you need to get him out of there. And I'm sure we both have that inside us. MORGAN: See, I -- it's Manny's eyes that are slightly intimidating. Everything else about you is fine. But the eyes, when you laser in on people, as you've done with me over a couple of tricky questions, I'm like -- whoa, OK. You can tell by a man's eyes.

Can you tell by a fighter's eyes?

ROACH: Yes, you can. You can see when Manny, when he -- when he's in attack mode, he's like a shark. It's like both perfect focus. He sees everything coming at him and everything going out, and it's like -- it's one of the most important weapons that people don't really realize.

They think it's putting the hands and so forth, but it's the vision that's the best part about Manny Pacquiao, what makes him so accurate and so -- such a great puncher. Accuracy and timing is just -- he's perfect at it at this point.

MORGAN: When you look around this gym, Freddie, I mean it's -- it's like a piece of boxing history. So many great fighters have been in here. You've worked with most of the greats in the last 30 years.

What makes Manny special to you?

ROACH: He's like a son to me. You know, he's -- he was a young man when he first came to me. He comes to me for advice at times back then. And he's grown into a young man and now he makes his own decisions. And we're -- we don't have those discussions that we once had. And I miss that a little bit, but, you know, again, he's grown up and he'll make his own decisions.

And, you know, this gym is just like -- there's a lot of history here. I have an offer to open on Sundays just for -- for people to come look at the gym and be a tourist attraction.

So, but --

MORGAN: And how many Filipinos come and see him?

ROACH: Yes, I get at least about 30 a day that come to the door in --

MORGAN: Every day in Los Angeles?

ROACH: Yes. They come from everywhere, from -- from the Philippines to San Francisco --

MORGAN: And you've been to the Philippines with Manny? I mean, is it as crazy as it sounds when he goes back?

ROACH: Yes. I mean, it's so crazy. And they give me so much respect and credit that I can't go to the mall anymore either.

(LAUGHTER)

MORGAN: Manny, what are the values that are important to you in life?

I mean, Freddie was saying there that you used to ask him for advice. And then you became a man yourself.

What are the most important things to you? Apart from God and -- and your worship of God, what are the other things that you think are important in life?

PACQUIAO: Important in life is you know how to -- to love people and to be friendly to everybody. And always put the love in your heart.

MORGAN: You're married with four children, I think, now.

How does your wife feel when you fight? Honestly.

PACQUIAO: Before she's, you know, she's tense in every fight. But right now, she's very confident that, you know, every fight that, oh, my husband is going to win that.

(LAUGHTER)

MORGAN: Well, that's because you haven't lost for a while, right?

(LAUGHTER)

MORGAN: This guy, Marquez, that you're fighting tomorrow, it is personal between you, isn't it, because two very close fights. He's also given you a good fight. But he -- he's actually gone to the Philippines and worn t-shirts saying, "I beat Manny Pacquiao twice."

That's got to hurt you, right?

PACQUIAO: It's hurt me, but, you know, people don't believe him. But, you know, we're Filipino and Filipinos respect him as a -- our visitor. So -- but this time, that's why I'm very motivated to train hard and --

MORGAN: And you really want to beat him, don't you?

PACQUIAO: -- the focus --

MORGAN: I mean more than -- more than most fights?

PACQUIAO: Yes. The focus to make sure that I'm 100 percent condition and on -- on the world -- on -- on tomorrow. I want -- I want to, you know, to end this all doubt in his mind.

And I want, of course, I want to prove that he's wrong.

(LAUGHTER)

MORGAN: Freddie, let me ask you about the big Mayweather question. You've seen, as I say, almost every great fighter since I've been around. Would he beat Floyd Mayweather?

ROACH: Yes, we have the right stuff to beat Mayweather. You know, I look at it sometimes and I say, Mayweather averages 15 punches a round, Manny averages 85 a round.

Can the 85 guy lose to the 15?

I don't think so. And the thing is, Manny's accuracy and he's southpaw, would give Mayweather a fit, if you'll --

MORGAN: And is -- and is the trump card with Manny that you've -- you've developed now, almost equal power with both hands?

ROACH: Yes. You know, I think it's about eight years he gets it to where Manny hasn't lost a round, and he's fought perfect fights since the David Diaz fight. It took us eight years of hard work, dedication and it just -- some kind of work out. I mean, I was satisfied with his big left-hander one time.

But then when we lost to Morales, I said, well, I can make him a better fighter and it's my job to make him a better fighter and I wanted him to develop. I said I'm not going to be happy until the right hand is equal with the left.

And I think they are right now.

MORGAN: There will be women watching this interview, because we get lots of women watching the show, who say, why, why boxing?

Why do men want to do this to each other?

PACQUIAO: It's -- it's not only for myself, but, you know, I keep fighting because I want to know I'm happy to give -- giving honor to my country. And I'm happy giving a good fight. And I'm happy to entertain people, to make them happy.

MORGAN: When he goes out tomorrow, Freddie, what do you say to him before a big fight, when you're both in the dressing room minutes before?

What do you say to a guy like Manny, who has won everything?

ROACH: You know, we warm up a little bit and go through the routines and when you make this move, you know, what move he is going to make. So we know our opponent very well. We study him. We study tapes and we figure out his habits. And so we try to take advantage of him.

But, yes, just when we go right before the fight, (INAUDIBLE), and to stay focused and he's right there.

MORGAN: Do you pray before a fight?

PACQUIAO: Always.

MORGAN: Do you sing?

(LAUGHTER)

MORGAN: Well, you are a singer, right?

PACQUIAO: After -- after the fight.

(LAUGHTER)

MORGAN: So you pray before and you sing after?

PACQUIAO: After.

(LAUGHTER)

MORGAN: We're going to have another break.

And I'm going to bring in somebody who is equally important, really, in this whole machinery. He's one of the great promoters in boxing history, Bob Arum. And he'll have a fascinating take on you, Manny, because he put on Muhammad Ali's fights for years, apart from everything else.

So I want to see what he thinks of where you rank in the history of boxers.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIPS)

FIGHT COMMENTATOR: This is a massive display of boxing skill, power, everything. Unbelievable.

FIGHT COMMENTATOR: Manny Pacquiao is annihilating Oscar de la Hoya. And he is gradually reconfiguring de la Hoya's beautiful face.

FIGHT COMMENTATOR: Boom! Oh, my gosh, what a straight left hand. That is that. What an amazing knockout shot. That is the most spectacular one-punch shot of Manny Pacquiao's incredible career.

(END VIDEO CLIPS)

MORGAN: A look at some of Manny Pacquiao's greatest hits quite literally there on HBO. I'm back with Manny Pacquiao and Freddie Roach.

And we're joined by Bob Arum, the promoter extraordinaire.

Bob, what makes this guy television promotional gold dust?

BOB ARUM, CEO & FOUNDER, TOP RANK, INC: Because he fights the way people want to see fighters fight, and because his genuine goodness shines through. People, I think, really are attracted to somebody who is a genuinely nice person who cares for other people. And they get that in Manny Pacquiao. MORGAN: I mean, I wouldn't say it's a contradiction. But I mean, some people are going this thing about him being the nicest guy, I'm sure he is. But in the ring, he's a beast. I mean, he attacks people. I mean, I get scared watching sometimes, I'm in a different country.

ARUM: Piers, if the sport is boxing, it's a hurt business. So the goal is to beat your opponent. It's a sport. And so, in the ring, he has to be very focused, and he shows a little bit too much mercy to his opponents but the --

MORGAN: Is that true -- is that true, Manny?

PACQUIAO: Sometimes.

MORGAN: Why --

(LAUGHTER)

MORGAN: -- why -- why do you do that?

PACQUIAO: Because I -- I feel it in my heart.

MORGAN: You feel sorry for them?

PACQUIAO: Yes, all of them.

MORGAN: Do you?

Even when you're pummeling them?

PACQUIAO: Yes, I'm just doing my job.

MORGAN: What's it -- what's it like being hit hard by somebody very, very good?

PACQUIAO: It's --

MORGAN: What does it feel like? I've always wondered. I mean, I -- I can imagine, but you know?

PACQUIAO: Because if you don't hit hard, your opponent hits you hard. You have to --

(LAUGHTER)

MORGAN: Yes. But how does it -- when you actually get punched, describe it to me.

PACQUIAO: When you get punched, of course, if you're not 100 percent conditioned, you -- you know, it can be a knockout or a knockdown. But if you're in -- in shape and, you know, ready to handle the power of your opponent, the fight will be good.

MORGAN: Do you feel pain during a fight or do you feel it afterwards? Do you feel it in the actual moment? PACQUIAO: You can feel it, but if you -- like if you get hit a good one, you can feel it. But, you know, you have to move around and, you know, make -- make all your -- you know, do your whatever you do in training.

MORGAN: Do you get hit? I mean when you get in there with the old mitts --

ROACH: Yes.

MORGAN: Unlike a lot of trainers, you actually take the punches. Does he ever miss and whack you one?

ROACH: Manny is very accurate. He'll show me the opening at times. He won't hit me really hard, but he'll show me where the opening is and shows me that he sees it, so I accept it.

MORGAN: Of all the boxers, what's been the worst punch you ever had to take?

ROACH: The worst punch I guess was Tyson. He was a little mad at me one day and he hit me with a right hook in the chin. But you know I didn't go down, but it hurt me real bad. And the whole room was going black. It was like -- it was like closing down on me.

Then I started bouncing on my feet and it came back. I just -- I wondered if it went completely black, was I dead? I'm not sure.

MORGAN: Bob, You put on a lot of Muhammed Ali fights. You put on --

ARUM: Twenty five.

MORGAN: You put on the Thrilla in Manila in the Philippines.

ARUM: Yes. That's how I was introduced to that great country.

MORGAN: Where does Manny rank, genuinely, do you think, in the 46 years you've been in the fight game?

ARUM: Well, there was a period of time where Ali was absolutely super, when he became champion and before the draft. And those -- those two-year period, I've never seen anything like it.

But that aside, Manny Pacquiao is the best fighter I've ever seen in my career, by far the best fighter.

MORGAN: How much money could you make from promoting the Pacquiao/Mayweather fight if it ever happened?

ARUM: If I could make that fight happen, then the government, U.S. government might send me over to bring about peace in the Mideast, because I've got a guy in Mayweather who won't fight Manny Pacquiao because no matter what the money is, he knows he will get knocked out. He has two ways to go in the fight. He can fight Manny the way a couple of the opponents have fought him, get hit, quit and go into a shell, or fight him like Cotto and Margarito did keep coming and get the hell beaten out of them.

He has those choices and those two choices only. And no money that anybody can come up with will get him to step into the ring with Manny. Freddie knows that.

MORGAN: Do you agree with that, Freddie?

ROACH: Yes. You know, the thing is he's so -- he wants that zero on his record so he can make statements like I'm better than Sugar Ray Robinson, because Robinson has losses and I don't. But the thing is, after Manny Pacquiao knocks him out, he doesn't have that argument anymore. He can't say he's the best ever.

I think he's more in love with that idea than in love with a 100 million dollars to fight Manny Pacquiao, because that's what they're going to make about.

ARUM: And in truth, tomorrow night, Marquez has greater danger for Manny than Floyd Mayweather would ever have. Marquez has a style which gives Manny problems, which hopefully Freddie and Manny have worked out a way to solve that puzzle.

MORGAN: Manny, what do you think of Floyd Mayweather as a man? Because you couldn't be more different. You're humble. You're polite. You're sincere.

He likes to trash talk. He's not remotely humble. You're very, very different people.

PACQUIAO: I think that's his attitude -- you know, attitude as a man. But you cannot believe him. That's his style. My style is, you know --

MORGAN: Do you respect him or not?

PACQUIAO: Of course. I always respect people. That's how I live.

MORGAN: Everybody?

PACQUIAO: Everybody I respect.

MORGAN: Let's take another break. I want to come back and ask you an unusual question, probably not something you get asked often, but you all live in America now a lot of the time. You all have a lot to be grateful to America for. And America is going through a tough time.

I want to ask the three of you who have been hugely successful in different ways in the sport what America should be doing to get out of this problem.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PACQUIAO: I hope that the relation of the Filipino people and the U.S. is -- will grow. You know, so thank you to the support of the U.S. to the Philippines. Thanks,

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MORGAN: My guests Manny Pacquiao, Freddie Roach and Bob Arum.

Tomorrow, Manny, you're going to walk into a boxing ring and fight another boxer. And the total proceeds from this could be over 100 million dollars with the HBO, pay per view and so on.

Bob, you're a promoter, I mean, a huge, huge amount of money. Sort of flying in the face of all the economic problems America is facing right now. As I said before the break, you guys have all got a lot to be grateful to America for.

What do you think is going wrong with America? Manny, you're a politician in making. You could be president one day of the Philippines. What do you think? You know America well now. You know Americans.

PACQUIAO: As a congressman in the Philippines, my -- my analysis is here in the United States both seeing it in Congress -- they have to work together to -- you know, to look for what is best in this country. Because I always believe that America is the best country in the whole world.

MORGAN: Do you? Why do you say that?

PACQUIAO: You know, America is -- for me, it's the best country.

MORGAN: Why, though? Why do you think that?

PACQUIAO: The freedom, all the people, you know, and also the Constitution of America. It's good. So I think it's fair for everybody.

MORGAN: Manny, when do you think you'll retire? Because you're in perfect physical condition. You're in perfect mental condition. You've suffered no apparent problems like this from your boxing.

There must be people close to you, your mother, your wife maybe and others saying you should give this up soon, because quit at the top.

PACQUIAO: I think it's -- I still can fight. I believe myself I'm still strong and I'm (INAUDIBLE) in training. So I'm still going to fight a few years.

MORGAN: Do you worry that you may fight just too long and suffer irreparable damage? PACQUIAO: Well, I'm -- I'm looking for -- I -- I'm thinking for that -- not to get hurt. But, you know, my promoter, he's the one who knows.

ARUM: I'm going to do whatever I can. If Freddie and our matchmakers see any type of slippage, that's going to be it, no matter what money is out there. But right now, Freddie tells me and my matchmakers tell me that he keeps getting better and better.

And it's not going to be longer than two more years. You know, by the year 2013, he'll be governor of Sarangani Province hopefully. Being a governor is a lot more time-consuming than being a congressman.

And so he's going to have to devote himself to governing a province. And then, of course, this boxing is just a means for -- at least as I see it, for the end game. And the end game is 2022, he has -- there's a 40-year -- you have to be 40 years old to run for president.

And that's the first election that he'll be eligible to run for president.

MORGAN: Are you going to be helping him promote his campaign?

ARUM: Well, Manny had me over. He's run twice. The first time we weren't prepared. We lost. The second time a landslide, right? Seventy five percent. I felt like James Carville.

MORGAN: So this could be for both of you the last big hurrah?

ARUM: Well, I'll be -- it keeps me going because in 2022, I'll be 91 years of age, I'll come in on my cane. But I'll help him.

MORGAN: Freddie, what would you be, chief of staff? Have you worked out your cabinet position yet?

ROACH: Not yet. One thing about Manny, he did ask me. He said, am I slowing down. I says, no. He says will you tell me? I said I'll be the first one to tell you.

MORGAN: Let's take another break and come back. I'm going to ask you, because I've been curious for the last half an hour, what these tattoos are all about. I need some answers.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

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ROACH: Parkinson's is part of my life, but we just keep it at that.

PACQUIAO: We don't have a problem.

ROACH: My doctors tell me, you know, some day it could affect me where I can't function as well as I do. I said, well, until that day happens, I'm going to work my ass off. I'm not going to lie down and die. I'm a fighter and I will be a fighter until the end.

(END VIDEO CLIP) MORGAN: Back with Manny Pacquiao, Freddie Roach and Bob Arum. Freddie, I want to raise something which is the issue of your health, because you have suffered from Parkinson's Disease now for a while. And yet you still get in the ring every day with Manny Pacquiao, which is --

ARUM: And the Parkinson goes away.

MORGAN: Does it?

ARUM: When he goes in the ring and he does the mitts, it goes away, right, Freddie?

ROACHS: The tremors go away and the shaking and it's just like --

MORGAN: That's extraordinary. Why do you think that is?

ROACH: I'm not sure. But Muhammed Ali came to my gym about eight years ago and asked me if he could work out here. You know what? As soon as he started hitting the bag, his tremors went away. Same thing. Just a combination -- so on and so forth. As soon as he stopped, he started shaking and shaking again.

MORGAN: You were a boxer yourself.

ROACH: Yes.

MORGAN: -- for years. And you gave up. You lost about 13 fights in 40 odd fights. Was that your record?

ROACH: I had like a 41-13 record at the end. Bob was my promoter for quite a while.

MORGAN: Did you think the condition you have now is down to boxing or not?

ROACH: I'm a trauma study. And they believe that my Parkinson's is induced -- Parkinson's caused by trauma. But, you know, I mean you can never tell. I might end up with it anyway. But you can't prove it, but you can assume it.

MORGAN: Do you assume the same about Muhammed Ali?

ROACH: Yes. The thing is, I think he's a lot further along than I am. His tremors are more violent and so forth. I think because he's getting a little bit older also. And my symptoms seem to be getting a little worse as time goes on.

MORGAN: Bob, one thing is very sad about Muhammed Ali, to see him in the condition he's in -- I met him a while ago and he still has a spark in his eye. Clearly his brain is still perfectly OK. He just physically isn't able to function the way that he would obviously like to.

How do you feel having been his friend for so long? ARUM: And his promoter. Do I take any responsibility? And the answer is no. He would have done it any way. Secondly, Parkinson's ran in his family. His brother, who had very few professional fights, suffers from Parkinson's. I don't think the boxing helped the condition.

But to say it is attributable to boxing is a stretch, because there's so many fighters throughout our times that I've seen who don't show any indication of Parkinson's.

MORGAN: I am going to ask you, because I have been curious for the last half hour, what these tattoos are all about. How many do you have?

PACQUIAO: These tattoos, it's is a meteor. This is before I had a fight with Miguel Cotto.

MORGAN: A meteor. That's the last thing you want to see, isn't it? Your left hook coming at you with a meteor.

PACQUIAO: Like a meteor rock.

MORGAN: And that one?

PACQUIAO: This is old, when I was young.

MORGAN: Does it mean anything or no?

PACQUIAO: It is a rose with a snake.

MORGAN: A rose and a snake.

What does that mean?

PACQUIAO: It is a green snake.

MORGAN: Does it have a meaning?

PACQUIAO: Yeah.

MORGAN: It's a bad one, isn't it? It involves a snake.

PACQUIAO: Uh-huh.

MORGAN: It means you want to hit people, right?

PACQUIAO: There is a rose bud and a snake.

MORGAN: This one?.

PACQUIAO: This is the name of my family, my wife, Jinki, all my sons and daughters.

MORGAN: What are your children's full names?

PACQUIAO: Jimuel, his name is Emanuel Junior. And Michael is Michael Steven. And Princess, the real name is Mary Divine Grace. And Queen is Queen Elizabeth.

MORGAN: Really? That's fantastic.

PACQUIAO: Queen Elizabeth.

MORGAN: You named your daughter after my queen?

PACQUIAO: Yes.

MORGAN: That's amazing. Why have you done that? You like our queen.

PACQUIAO: Her majesty.

MORGAN: Have you met the queen?

PACQUIAO: No.

MORGAN: I need to fix you up with these people. You haven't met anyone, have you. Do you like the royal family?

PACQUIAO: Yeah.

MORGAN: Why do you like them?

PACQUIAO: I like them, you know. You can see the royal family since way back in the 15th, 16th century.

MORGAN: Who's more popular in the Philippines, her majesty the queen or Manny Pacquiao? Bob, come on. You are the promoter. Who will win that contest.

ARUM: Manny Pacquiao is more popular than any person in the world in the Philippines, including the president of the Philippines. Although he won't -- he's an ally of the president. So maybe it is not a good thing to say.

PACQUIAO: Yes.

MORGAN: What else, Manny, do you hope to achieve with your life when you give up boxing? Obviously we have discussed politics. But what else do you think about?

PACQUIAO: My dream is to help people. Because I have been there. I came from nothing. And I know what their feelings to need something. So I want to give back and help them.

There's a lot of money in the government. But the problem is most of the politicians are corrupt. So --

MORGAN: We have to sort that out.

PACQUIAO: We have to fix that and show them, you know, not all of us are corrupt. There's Manny Pacquiao that honestly serving the people.

MORGAN: Your fight tomorrow at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. It is live on HBO pay per view. Good luck with the fight.

PACQUIAO: Thank you.

MORGAN: Before we finish this, there's a ring there. There's Freddie there. There's a promoter. You have won eight titles at eight weights. But you've never beaten a guy as big as me.

So saddle up, Manny Pacquiao. We are getting in the ring.

ARUM: Negotiate the purse for me.

MORGAN: You get the purse. You get your mitts out. You, in the ring.

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MORGAN: Ever felt a fist that strong?

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MORGAN: Just remember, when we get out there, just leave the face alone, all right? It's the money face.

All ready.

PACQUIAO: I told him he's from England and I'm from Scotland. I'm from Scotland. And I'm fighting for freedom against the Englishman.

Hands up.

MORGAN: This is exhausting.

Oh. Sorry, Freddie.

Was that -- that was -- was it bigger than Tyson's?

ROACH: A little bit.

MORGAN: What am I doing, seriously? What am I doing? Watch this. Watch and learn. Eye of the tiger, baby.

Oh, yes. Victory.

It's all over. It's over. Four punches to none.

I have had enough of the this. It's too exhausting. He's quite scary when you get close up. You see, he hits so damn hard.

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