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Second Casey Anthony Video Diary Released

Aired January 9, 2012 - 19:00   ET



JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, Casey`s back again. We`ve got yet another newly-released Web cam video to show you, and Casey`s showing off another completely new look that involves her nose.

This, as her attorney Jose Baez finally speaks out about these mysterious recordings. Were they stolen or is Casey Anthony playing all of us?

Then, the family at the center of the disappearance of missing toddler Ayla Reynolds speaks out. The child`s grandmother now saying she was not at the house the night the child vanished. Plus, Ayla`s father finally explains why his daughter had a broken arm. What really happened the night she disappeared?

And a 36-year-old woman vanishes the day after Christmas in Atlanta. Her car found abandoned and still running. Now, two witnesses claim she was acting irrationally right before she disappeared. What happened to Stacey English?

Plus, Kate Gosselin made it big on her hit reality TV show, and then she sashayed onto "Dancing with the Stars." Now, she`s got a shocking new gig. I`m going to tell you all about the TV star`s new reality. And we`ll take your calls.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For the first time since Casey Anthony was acquitted on murder charges, we are hearing and seeing video comments from her.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s almost like a video trailer for an upcoming movie.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Justice for Caylee! Justice for Caylee! Justice for Caylee!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Justice for Caylee! Justice for Caylee! Justice for Caylee!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Justice for Caylee! Justice for Caylee! Justice for Caylee!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As to the charge of first-degree murder, verdict as to count one, we, the jury, find the defendant not guilty.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What an absolute crying shame this is. They call this justice? They say the American flag flies today? It does not. It does anything about fly today. It`s been trampled on.

CASEY ANTHONY, ACQUITTED OF MURDER: I just want to let everyone know that I`m sorry for what I did.

JEFF ASHTON, PROSECUTOR: Casey`s lies fit the audience.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s wrong. She got away with this, and you know it.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Just when you thought you`d seen everything, another head-spinning Casey Anthony video has just hit the airwaves.

Hello, everyone. Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to live from New York City.

You heard right. A second Casey Anthony video diary has now made its debut, and tonight there is huge controversy and lots of confusion over how these videos are becoming public. Was she hacked twice, or is this another stealth teaser for an upcoming Casey Anthony show?

Watch here as, in this new video, Casey talks about the newest changes she has made to her appearance. Watch this.


ANTHONY: I just pierced my nose last night. I`m very excited. And cuffed my ear. Very, very exciting.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow. That video purportedly made sometime around Christmas. The one that you saw last week was made in October. So now, between October when she was a blond and Christmas when she`s a brunette, she`s gotten some piercings, in her nose, in her ears. I don`t even want to know where else.

All right. She`s gone back, apparently, in this new video that was just released, to being a brunette, OK? Again, here in October she`s a blond. And just like the last video, nobody knows where this is all coming from.

But even with her new look, Jose Baez confirms to "Geraldo at Large" that this is, indeed, Casey Anthony. Listen to this.


GERALDO RIVERA, HOST, FOX NEWS CHANNEL`S "GERALDO AT LARGE": Now, that`s your client, is it not?


RIVERA: And she`s -- she got her nose pierced and her ears pierced?

BAEZ: That`s what it appears to be in the video.

I think this is outrageous that this is happening. I think it`s -- it`s criminal. And if it is, we`re going to ask that it be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and we`ll see if the authorities are brave enough to do it.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: But who`s committing this crime, if it is a crime, if it isn`t Casey herself? Of course, there`s this other possibility that Casey leaked the video herself and maybe telling her attorneys, "I had nothing to do with it."

What`s in it for her? Is she launching some kind of members-only Web site, perhaps? Is she just trying to stay in the limelight? Is it possibly just a case of, she`s got too much time on her hands? What do you think? Could Casey be her own hacker? Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586- 7297.

Straight out to Amber Goodhand from Radar Online. Breaking news. Amber, what do you know about the rumors that are absolutely flooding the Internet about hacking and claims about who might be behind it, allegedly, purportedly?

AMBER GOODHAND, RADAR ONLINE (VIA PHONE): The rumors on the Internet are that there`s a guy named Robert Hensley out of Kansas and every person I`ve talked to about the Casey Anthony points back to this man.

They all say that they got it from him, and I did some research. And he used to be on the Internet bragging about having all these Casey Anthony videos, photos, having contact with her. At one point he even claimed that he edited the video that we`ve all now seen.

Since it all went public, he disappeared from the Internet. He`s hired an attorney who says that, you know, he did nothing wrong. But everything is going back to Rob. And he used to be bragging, and now he`s kind of shut up about it. So he`s saying he did nothing illegal. Baez is saying Casey didn`t put these up, so someone did something illegal. But it`s all coming back to Robert Hensley from Kansas.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let`s take another look at the newest Casey video diary, just released, and currently the most discussed video on the World Wide Web. Here it is. Listen here.


ANTHONY: I pierced my nose last night and I`m very excited, and cuffed my ear. Very, very exciting.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Now, again, as you just heard from Radar Online, this one man is -- I don`t know if he`s at the center of it or not, but his name is all over the Internet. He`s associated with these videos. His name is Rob Hensley. And we are not showing you a picture, because there`s different pictures up on the Internet. We don`t really know what`s going on, but there are claims that he originated the videos. He released them.

Today he issued a statement through his attorney denying everything. He said, "I have been bombarded with accusations. Internet sites contain a wealth of misinformation about me. I have done nothing illegal."

So, again, who is this mystery purported possible link to these videos? We will not show you his picture because there`s so much confusion about him but on the Internet it claims that he`s the one behind it. It claims that he`s Casey`s boyfriend. Now, there are reports that he`s based out of Kansas. So I don`t know how that is going to work. Maybe a long- distance Skype relationship, a Web can relationship, Facebook (ph)? I don`t know. But basically he`s saying it`s misinformation. He has nothing to do with it.

So I want to go to a guy who`s all over the actual Casey Anthony trial. I sat next to him during the trial. Joe Episcopo, criminal defense attorney out of Tampa, what do you make of all of this?

JOE EPISCOPO, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, you know, if I was going to market this movie, I would want to try to improve her image, and one way to do that is indirectly talk about these leaked films, because what are they showing? Ordinary activity. Ordinary person. Trying to get it built up so that we can make this movie and have people go see it.

So I think there`s some kind of PR going on here but trying to not make it look like PR and also claiming that she`s a victim of something. It sort of goes nicely and the whole idea of let`s see how much money we can make on this movie. And this is a good way to try to do it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Again, a lot of questions about this guy Rob Hensley. Now, there were claims on the Internet that he might be a relative of Casey`s defense attorney, Jose Baez. That he might be Casey`s boyfriend.

Listen to Jose Baez on "Geraldo at Large" explaining why he believes that Casey was illegally hacked. Check this out.


BAEZ: If you were video chatting, I think someone would record the conversation that they were having with her and that would be out there. This is obvious that this was a private message solely intended for her private journal and, you know, I think a person who is in a situation like Casey just wants to have some way of expressing themselves.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. And we just got this statement from Jose Baez who is actually flying in a plane right now, according to his rep, but his rep gave the statement that Rob Hensley, the guy that people say is the one who released this statement, which he, Rob, denies, but "Rob Hensley is not related to Jose Baez in any way, shape, or form. Jose does not know if Rob Hensley is Casey`s boyfriend," which I find interesting.

Matt Morgan, you`re the attorney for Zenaida Gonzalez, that Jose Baez is not outright denying that Rob Hensley is Casey`s boyfriend. Do you find that significant?

MATT MORGAN, ATTORNEY FOR ZENAIDA GONZALEZ: Not really, Jane. Our focus is not on who released the videos. Our focus is on the fact that the videos have been released and, therefore, we believe that she`s waived her Fifth Amendment privilege, as she`s been claiming throughout the process with Zenaida.

And so I find it significant in the way that, potentially, you know, Casey could have been in cahoots with him to release the video. Who knows? But ultimately we believe that, at this point, she`s waived her privilege.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Are you going to do an investigation -- I asked your dad this Friday -- into how these videos were released, because wouldn`t you have to determine that she is behind it before you could argue that she`s waived her First -- her Fifth Amendment rights of non-incrimination?

MORGAN: Well, the fact that she did it in such a careless matter and that they were released in some way, shape, or form, you know, we believe that she`s responsible for releasing the videos, just because in most of these cases it turns out that, you know, they released them and then went back and tried to say that they were hijacked in some way, shape, or form. And -- and so...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, just for our viewers, the reason why this is important to you is you represent Zanny the nanny, the woman who became known as Zanny the nanny, Zenaida Gonzalez. You did a videotaped deposition with Casey, in which she wore a hat, sunglasses, and a wig, and was completely disguised and took the Fifth: "I refuse to answer on the grounds that this may incriminate me" something like 60 times.

And you`re now saying we should be able to release that video. And do you want to do another deposition on her?

MORGAN: Exactly. And in the morning I`ll be filing our renewed motion to compel her testimony at the courthouse. And that essentially just brings it to the judge and says, "Judge, look, at this point she`s releasing video diaries. And so if she`s going to be speaking to the public at large, we should be able to take her deposition in a court of law and get answers."

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you want to do a new depo on Casey? That`s the breaking news right now?

MORGAN: Exactly. And we would also like to file the video deposition that we took of her back on October the 8th, because in every single proceeding in the state of Florida, you know, under the sunshine law, it should be available to the public. And that`s what we argued in front of the court, but her counsel said that, for whatever reason, her safety was in question, because if her appearance was released, then ultimately, somebody would know what she looks like and come after her.

But now she`s releasing her appearance freely. So we`re of the opinion that we should be able to file that deposition, as well.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, thank you for that breaking news.

We`ve got more on Casey Anthony. We`ve also got new shockers in the search for missing toddler Ayla Reynolds. And by the way, we`re taking your phone calls on the other side of the break. So hang in there, Don in California, on this Casey Anthony craziness.

We`ve seen the jailhouse videos. Now we have this new video, showing her with a nose piercing. We`re also going to get a psychiatrist, psychologist to analyze what it means that she`s getting these piercings. Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.


ANTHONY: I even said from day one, putting my crap out with the media, and everything, honestly, that`s being said is complete garbage. The focus isn`t on Caylee, and that`s where it should be.



JON BRILEY: I went looking for the video, and after about 45 minutes I found a pay site that wanted something like $2 and I didn`t give it. I tried another one. I think it was $3 or $5. I would not give money to that either. I kept looking, and I looked and I looked. I finally found a leak that was free.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: What a cast of characters surrounding this video. That gentleman claims that he found the video on a for-pay Web site and then uploaded it to YouTube. So who`s telling the truth? Are they all telling the truth? Who knows?

We`re going to go to the phone lines. Don in California. Your question or thought, Donnie.

CALLER: Hi, Jane.


CALLER: I was just wondering. There`s such a disconnect with this lady from all of life. From like her job, her family, everything. Could it be something from her childhood, like a major trauma, or like from birth, that she`s just so unassociated with her own life?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, listen, we know, Brian Russell, forensic psychologist, that she was a changed person after she had her daughter, that there was a tug-of-war between her and her mother Cindy over the daughter, at least on Casey`s part. Casey was very upset that her mother was, apparently, the first one to hold the daughter.

But I`d like to ask you, Brian Russell, forensic psychologist, about these piercings. What do these piercings of her nose and her ear tell you? And when you add in the "bella vita" tattoo, which she`s already got, what does it say?

BRIAN RUSSELL, FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: I`m glad you noted that, because I have to note, first, that this may not represent a big change in behavior for her, ,because she was getting tattoos before all of this happened.

Now, we may never know what happened to Caylee Anthony, but one thing that we do know is that Casey Anthony`s life got out of control at some point. I mean, the jury could have sentenced her to death. Right?

And one of the things that was seen sometimes, that when you strip everything else away, all you have left in this world that is truly yours is your body. And so when people feel that their lives have gotten out of control, you will sometimes see them asserting and attempting to reassert control by altering their bodies. We see it sometimes with eating disorders, where people will try to get some control back over their lives by controlling literally the size of their body. So there may be a control thing in it, Jane, if in fact, it`s situationally related.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Exactly. I`ve heard about that. I don`t think it`s true with every person who gets a tattoo or piercing, but I`ve hard this theory that people get them to individuate their body. I mean, we can`t really choose what form we arrive on this earth, but by doing tattoos and piercings, we can kind of, like you say, control our appearance.

Now, you know what Casey`s new piercings remind me of, the title character in that "Girl with the Dragon Tattoo." It`s a movie that`s in theaters now. Check it out.


DANIEL CRAIG, ACTOR: May I come in? We need to talk.

ROONEY MARA, ACTRESS: Hey. Hey. Who do you think you are?

CRAIG: Get some clothes on. Get ready to go.

Can I call you Lisbeth? I want you to help me catch a killer of women.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Levi Page, the whole world is talking about Casey Anthony, but I`ve got to tell you that, despite her flip and flamboyant attitude on these tapes, we can never forget that, at the heart of this case, is a little girl who lost her life, this woman`s daughter.

LEVI PAGE, CRIME BLOGGER: Yes. And nobody seems to be talking about that. Everybody`s focused on Casey Anthony. And I think that a lot of people -- we have this Rob Hensley, who may be her boyfriend. Jose Baez isn`t denying it. He`s saying that he has nothing to do with this.

And then we have the Brileys, Holly and Jon Briley, who got the video, the first video from October and posted it on YouTube. And now they`re saying that Lee Anthony was taking credit for putting these videos online. Of course, Mark Lippman, Lee Anthony`s attorney, hasn`t said anything about that.

And now we have a picture posted on Radar Online of Casey Anthony out in a crowded bar or restaurant, taking pictures of herself. That`s been released. If she`s so fearful of her safety, what is she doing in a crowded bar?

I think at the end of the day we have all these characters involved in this case around Casey Anthony. I think that we have people that are in desperate need of Casey Anthony rehab, and I think they`re just all playing into her game to get fame, fortune, and extend her 15 minutes of fame.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Levi, I think one person who doesn`t have anything to do with this is Lee. I think we should leave Lee out of it. The poor guy has suffered enough.

PAGE: Well, the -- some people have said that he posted on the Web site. Some people have said that. But...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, yes. Well, people are saying all sorts of crazy things about. Listen to what the ladies on "The View" had to say about this, this morning.


BARBARA WALTERS, CO-HOST, ABC`S "THE VIEW" I heard that she has been trying to sell a book. And it`s been very difficult for publishers to publish the book.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nobody wants to support that. Nobody wants to buy a book about Casey Anthony. I mean, but she has to make a living, because I don`t know if she`s getting any money. So what else is she supposed to do? She can`t go work at 7-Eleven.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: So is there still a book out there being floated by Casey Anthony? I mean, my understanding was that she became radioactive, toxic and she couldn`t sell that big TV interview. She couldn`t get a great book deal. So is this what she`s, in essence, reduced to? Or, as her attorney says, is it just a hacking job?

Stacey English vanished two weeks ago in Atlanta. New witnesses claim -- you`ll hear in a minute.



ANTHONY: I`ve even said from day one getting my crap out with the media and everything, honestly, that is being said is complete garbage. The focus isn`t on Caylee, and that`s where it should be.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: She acted as though she knew Caylee was dead when she was saying that to her brother, Lee. Let`s go back to the video diary released last Thursday and this very important statement made on YouTube.


ANTHONY: It`s going to be a while, since I leave. We`ll be here for many, many months. Here for six months. Even if I get off probation early, I`ll still be here at least until February. Yes, February.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Casey has to stay in Florida until her probation is done. And this is turning into a worldwide game of where`s Casey? You know, like one of those old "Where`s Waldo?" Where`s Waldo? Oh, my God. I can`t talk after looking at her in that cap. OK. We did that. We did that.

We asked on Facebook if anyone in Florida has seen Casey out and about. And we got tons of responses. Guess what? There are Casey sightings all over Florida. She`s been spotted in Tallahassee, Jacksonville, Clearwater Beach, at the Dorothy Placin`s (ph) Horse Ranch in Ocala, in the new Smirnoff Beach, as well. She`s been seen all over Florida.

Jayne Weintraub, criminal defense attorney, you are very close to the defense. Is there a danger here of this becoming trivialized, this very, very serious issue, becoming trivialized because of these wacky videos that are getting out about Casey Anthony?


VELEZ-MITCHELL: The issue of what happened to her daughter? We still do not know the real story, obviously.

WEINTRAUB: But, Jane, that`s not what Casey`s position is. Casey`s position has always been she did not kill her child. She had nothing to do with it. And we can only make assumptions as to what happened.

What we do know is that Casey was acquitted. She was found not guilty. And if you keep expecting that she`s going to go on and all of a sudden become a martyr on television, in a book deal, she`s not going to do that. Because that is not her position.

But why wouldn`t she try to profit? She`s in a position where she can`t get a job. The heightened interest of this case is beyond anyone`s comprehension, bigger than O.J. Simpson. And yet, even the prosecutor made money on the book and quit his job. Everybody is profiting.

So don`t you think there would be interest in a book by Casey? The more people say they hate her, meanwhile, they`re all tuning in, they`re watching her, and they`re all tracking her. So for me, I say, who cares if she has a boyfriend? I hope she can start her life again. She was acquitted, found not guilty. That`s the system. Move on. She`s 24 years old.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, all right. You make a point; you`re right. She can`t get a regular job. I give you that. I give you that.

We`re going out to the phone lines again. Stephanie in New Jersey, your question or thought?

CALLER: This is just an attention-seeking person, and it`s sick. What did probation say about her thing that she`s going to get off?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, she apparently told her probation officer that this was hacked and she has gotten at least four stellar reports so far. Her probation is probably going to continue into next summer, although if she gets off for good behavior, she could get off sooner.

Amber Goodhand, 20 seconds. You`ve got new information.

GOODHAND: I do. With all the speculation that she`s been trying to release the photos or maybe a TV special and had some hands in releasing this, I found a new Web site today called Now, when you go to that Web site, it redirects you back to a YouTube page which, oddly enough, is the page of Holly Briley, who was one of the first to post...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, my gosh.

GOODHAND: And it is a video of...


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Two beautiful African-American women disappear nine days apart. In both cases, their cars are found miles away abandoned, the engines still running. These disappearances occurred 500 miles apart but tonight some people are asking could they be connected?

Phoenix Coldon, a 23-year-old woman in St. Louis, last seen December 18th sitting in her car, talking on her cell phone one minute, the next minute she`s gone. Her car found running 17 miles away.

And then in Atlanta, 36-year-old Stacey English disappears December 26th, the day after Christmas, after an argument with a male friend. Her car found 12 miles away; again, the engine running, car abandoned. No sight of the woman. The parents are desperate for any information.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please, please, anyone if you found anything, come forward now. We need our daughter home. We need our daughter home.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: My heart goes out to both sets of parents and we`re trying to find solutions here and answers. Her friend, one of the last people to see her, was Robert Kirk, a male friend. He`s from St. Louis. Police say Kirk has cooperated and is not a suspect.

Now, you take a look at these two cases, you`ve got to say, the similarities, the coincidences are creepy.

I want to go out to my very, very special guest tonight, Goldia and Laurence Coldon, the parents of missing Phoenix Colden. First of all, I want to say that our hearts go out to you. We know that you`re going through a hellish time right now and we want to be of help. We want to help answer unanswered questions. We want to put your daughter`s face out there. We want to get some answers both from the authorities and just from maybe people at large.

We`re going to see your daughter`s face which we`re going to put it up right now and we`re going to show it throughout this conversation.

Now, I want to ask you, Goldia, tell us about the last moment that you saw your daughter on the phone in the car outside the house. Tell us about that.

GOLDIA COLDON, MOTHER OF PHOENIX COLDON: She was sitting in her car in the driveway and the way our house is made, when I passed the front windows, I could see the car -- the back of the car in the driveway and I felt she was probably sitting out there talking on the phone as she normally does.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And then what happened?

G. COLDON: Then I think I went in my room or in the basement. I did not see her leave. Her dad saw her leave.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, Lawrence, you saw her pull out, pull away and back out of the driveway and drive off?


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. She just drove off?

L. COLDON: Yes. She had been in the back of the house shooting hoops and she came home. She came in the house, put the basketball away and went and sat in her vehicle and approximately at 3:00 p.m. she backed out of the driveway and she drove off.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, there`s nothing really to say about that. It`s not like she left anything in the driveway. She just pulls her car out of the driveway and drives off and she`s never seen again.

Now, again, this is the St. Louis case. There`s an Atlanta disappearance. They are 500 miles apart but the cars in both cases were found abandoned with their engines running. Both women disappeared.

Let me say it again. From their homes and their cars were found abandoned with the engines running.

But here`s another weird parallel. Both cars were found and impounded just hours after the women went missing but cops did not make the connection until much later. In my opinion, this is outrageous. The cars were found abandoned. They were impounded by authorities. But the investigators on the case did not connect the dots even though the families called and said, my daughter`s missing and this is a description of her car.

Lawrence, you called police and you told them, my daughter is gone and this is the car she was last seen in. What`s your reaction to the fact that cops impounded that car very quickly but didn`t make the connection that the car they were looking for was in their impound lot for I don`t know how long -- days.

L. COLDON: It was in the impound lot for two weeks before we found the car. We reported our daughter missing the following day, which would be the 19th. We called the St. Louis County Police Department and an officer came out to take the report, which it should have been about 6:00 on the 19th, it would have been Monday evening.

We didn`t find that car for two weeks. It was in the impound lot. And only through the diligence of a close friend did we find that car.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I think that`s outrageous. I want to bring in former FBI agent Steve Moore. I read both -- in both disappearances, the one in Atlanta and the one in St. Louis, it`s a very similar situation. The cops had the car impounded and they didn`t make the connection that this are the cars belonging to the missing women.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, I read somewhere in one case they said, we looked around our impound lot and didn`t see it. Don`t they keep a list? Hello, did anybody ever hear of computers. Don`t you keep a list and write down the name of the car, the model, the make, the color, yada-yada, so then when somebody calls and says my daughter`s missing and she was last seen in this car, that they can look at a list and see what`s in the impound lot and see if it matches?

MOORE: Yes. Yes. And from my reading of the case, what happened in one case is that the detectives didn`t check. And in the other case the detectives checked but whoever impounded the car didn`t list on NCIC. NCIC or whatever state database they`re using puts all those cars right there and you`ll get a computer hit if you check. If you don`t put it in, you don`t get a hit. If you don`t check, it doesn`t matter.

You know, I don`t want their whole investigations to be judged by one mistake but that is --


VELEZ-MITCHELL: No but here`s the problem. The problem, Steve Moore is that the police have said there is no connection between these two missing women.

MOORE: I don`t believe it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But now, do I trust that when they can`t even find the car that`s in their impound lot? Do I trust the police to say, there`s no connection between these two cases?

I don`t know if there is or not. I have no idea. But given that they couldn`t even find a car that was in their impound lot, I don`t have a lot of confidence in anything that they say.

MOORE: I can understand that. Go ahead.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: One of the last people to see Stacy English who was the woman who disappeared in Atlanta was her friend Robert Kirk from St. Louis.

Now, police say he`s been cooperating fully; they are not calling him a suspect. They say they would like to talk to him more. His lawyer has issued a statement saying it`s very irresponsible for people to suggest there is a connection with these two cases just because he happened to be from St. Louis.

Also, he says, clearly they are doing their homework. I`m happy with the work they`re doing. They`re verifying the things that my client said, talking to other people to corroborate that this young lady had some issues -- we`re talking about Stacey English. She did have some issues and we`re going to get to those in a second.

But here`s what Stacey`s mom had to say about this man that she had a fight with the evening, the evening, just hours before she went missing. Listen to this.


CINDY JAMISON, MOTHER OF STACEY ENGLISH: He was cooperative. He was talking with us and his statement to us was that she asked him to leave. And he did leave.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Now this male friend of the woman who vanished in Atlanta and another friend say that Stacey, the woman who disappeared, was acting strangely right before she went missing, quoting the Bible, talking about the end of the world and Robert Kirk even said that Stacey asked him if he was the devil or Satan before she kicked him out.

Her parents were asked about that as well. And essentially said, Michelle Sigona, that well, yes, her daughter has had some problems in the past. That she did attempt suicide at one point. She`s on medication but that she`s also very religious. So her quoting biblical scriptures shouldn`t be taken out of context. What do you know, Michelle Sigona, investigative reporter?

MICHELLE SIGONA, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Here`s what I can tell you. It`s that I`ve spoken with investigators not just in Stacey`s case but also in Phoenix`s case. And what they tell me is that although, Jane, on the surface there appeared many similarities, they`re definitely not ruling this out. At this time they don`t have evidence to link those together.

What they are telling me is that they are moving forward in both investigations and investigating these as missing persons not as abductions at this point. They did say that -- and I have the incident report right here in front of me -- Stacey`s frame of mind was a little bit different than Phoenix`s. Not that that makes any difference, she`s still a missing person and we still need to find her, but just as you mentioned, there was some odd behavior and that the person who was visiting her, the male friend, he did in fact leave the apartment around 2230 around 10:30 that night and then she was reporting missing on the 31st. Her car was found on the December 27th.


SIGONA: Now, in Phoenix`s case, her vehicle was found only three hours later in Illinois, just over the state lines in East St. Louis. That East St. Louis Police Department handled that case. So that`s why there was a little bit of delay in connection there.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And, again, the attorney for Mr. Kirk, Scott Rosenbloom, says that they are actually expected to clear him in the near future and we want to make it very clear, he`s not a suspect. And his attorney or he is invited on any time to give his opinion and weigh in on this.

But Lawrence, in the case of your daughter, Phoenix Coldon missing in St. Louis, do you think that it`s foul play?

L. COLDON: Yes, I do think it is foul play. Phoenix had no reason to run away from home. Phoenix was loved by her parents and her whole family and we have no reason to even think that she would want to run away from home. And I don`t think a runaway never takes anything with them when they leave home. She had things that she could use, things that she could sell to keep running if she wanted to run away. But she took nothing with her so why would she run away?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I want to tell you, Mr. and Mrs. Coldon, we`re going to stay on top of your daughter`s disappearance and try to solve it. We`re going to call the authorities every day. We`re going to keep your daughter`s face out there. Our hearts go out to you.

L. COLDON: Thank you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And be strong and keep looking for answers. Tell us anything that you learn, we`ll bring you back on immediately. Thank you.

L. COLDON: Thank you.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: What happened inside missing toddler Ayla Reynolds` home the night she vanished? We`re taking your calls, wild developments in this case, up next.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is still no sign of the 20-month-old toddler whose father says vanished in the middle of the night from her grandmother`s home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was wearing -- last seen searing some cream pajamas with white polka dots that said "Daddy`s Princess".

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Her father, Justin Dipietro says the next morning, she was gone.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Searchers have scoured several blocks surrounding Ayla`s home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I want to pick her up. I want p to hold her. I just want to tell her that she`s going to be ok.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I would give everything I own to bring her back. Please bring her back. Please. Just bring her back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bring her home. Please bring her home to us. I just want my baby home.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, new twists and turns in the search for missing toddler Ayla Reynolds. The little girl`s dad has now come forward to offer his explanation of how little Ayla broke her arm shortly before she vanished and we`re also hearing from his mother, Ayla`s paternal grandmother for the very first time.

But is Grandma telling the truth? 20-month old Ayla Reynolds vanished from her Waterville, Maine home during the night more than three weeks ago. Look at this precious, precious, precious child on this videotape running around in her little jammies -- happy, happy, happy. And now, we don`t know where this child is. We don`t know what happened. Her dad says -- he says he put her to bed at about 8:00 and then woke up the next morning and she was missing. Cops still refuse to say who was in the house at the time. And now one person who admitted to being in the house is backtracking and saying, oops, I wasn`t. And that person would be little Ayla`s paternal grandmother. Listen carefully to her.


SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You didn`t hear any noise?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I did not hear anything.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: What? Let`s listen to that again. Because guess what, this grandmother isn`t really telling the whole story. Listen to this.


CANDIOTTI: You didn`t hear any noise?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I did not hear anything.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. So she`s clearly implying to CNN`s Susan Candiotti that she was in the home when her granddaughter vanished and didn`t hear anything.

Ok. And now Ayla`s paternal grandmother, that woman, has changed her story and says that she actually was not in the house that night with her adult son when little Ayla disappeared. Do you find that odd? I do.

Call me 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to CNN`s Susan Candiotti, who spoke to this grandmother - - great work snagging that interview view. So, spell it out for us. How did this grandmother, the father -- the mother of the father of the missing child, how did she change her story and why?

CANDIOTTI: Well, we spent hours with her one evening last week and clearly I was left with the impression, as was my producer and the photographer that she was there that night. When we left the very next morning I went back to the house because I was to meet with her son, Justin, who said he wanted to talk with me.

But she met me at the door, Phoebe did, and said, "I have to tell you something." And she said, "I obviously left you with the impression that I was there. I was not. What I know," she said, "I want to clarify, I heard from others."

And she said, she was trying to be so careful to follow the police instructions about not saying anything about what happened that night that she slipped up. And she wanted to tell me as soon as possible so I wasn`t left with the wrong impression and she said, "I told the police immediately as they started their investigation exactly what I`m telling you, that I wasn`t there that night. I told them where I was. They know everything about my whereabouts."


CANDIOTTI: I have to tell you something, Jane, I give her credit. I give her credit for owning up to it. She didn`t have to, but she did.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I guess to me it sounded like any way that this is a mom who wants to help her son who`s at the center of this controversy because some found it odd that little Ayla`s dad who had the child when the child vanished didn`t say anything in public about his missing daughter until two weeks after she disappeared. And here he is finally speaking on NBC`s "Today" show.


JUSTIN DIPIETRO, AYLA REYNOLDS` FATHER: Initially the first few days I was emotionally incapable of coming out to do an interview and I had been advised that by coming on and doing an interview by law enforcement that it could possible hinder the investigation and I`m here to help in any way that I can.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Susan, briefly, ten seconds, it`s odd that the father really isn`t saying like who was in the house. I mean why wouldn`t he want to give us all the information?

CANDIOTTI: Because he says police told him not to. And that`s what the grandmother is saying, too. All her knowledge, what he knows, what they knows, they are keeping a very tight lid on this -- very tight.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I have to say, I wonder, there`s no signs of forced entry, how does a child just disappear from a house?

Up next, Kate Gosselin.



VELEZ-MITCHELL: John and Kate signed a TV contract and exposed their kids to the world.

KATE GOSSELIN, "KATE PLUS 8": It is really hard. It is just hard to be a single mom, period; let alone having eight kids and all of the responsibilities that go with that.

Every mom runs themselves ragged. I just -- I`m really ragged, actually.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: From reality TV to the high seas, Kate Gosselin from the infamous "Jon and Kate plus 8" reality show has a new gig hosting a Caribbean cruise. Kate`s mother danced on "Dancing with the Stars" on ABC and now will be schmoozing with cruise guests for seven nights; guests shell out between $2,000 to $3,000 to spend a lot of quality time with Kate.

They will meet Kate at private welcome cocktail party, get a gift from Kate, arts and crafts with Kate. Sounds like a nightmare to me. Is cruising Kate so desperate to make a couple bucks she`s going to take a spin on "The Love Boat"? Is she trying for a Titanic-esque romance? Is she hoping to meet her Leo on board?


LEONARDO DICAPRIO, ACTOR: Hold on. Keep your eyes closed. Trust me.


DICAPRIO: All right. Open your eyes.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. Enough. We get the idea. Straight out to chief news correspondent for E!, Ken Baker. Ken where did all -- is she having money problems? How much money did she make "Dancing with the Stars", best sellers, "Kate plus 8", where did it all go?

KEN BAKER, CHIEF NEWS CORRESPONDENT, E!: Well, She did make a lot of money at one point, Jane. Don`t forget, only about two years ago, she was raking in about $250,000 an episode. Yes, a lot of money for the reality show she did with TLC and when that ends, it ends fast. When the money runs out it can run out fast.

We don`t know what her financial situation is, though. But I have to say, I`m of two minds about this. On one hand, it`s like all right Kate, come on, this is kind of pathetic. Do you really have to do this?

But on the other hand it`s like, look, she`s a single mom. She has eight mouths to feed. She`s just trying to put food on the table, money in the bank accounts. These kids are going to presumably go to college one day. I mean she`s securing her financial future for her kids.

I think that a lot of people can be really harsh on her. She did open herself up, so I think it`s easy to make fun of her. And also it should be noted by the way, celebrities do this stuff. There`s rock bands that do cruises and everyone comes on and it`s really becoming, believe it or not, kind of a cool thing to do.

I know. You want to make fun of it. But it actually is semi- legitimate. I`m just happy to see her out there and working and -- but please, I hope Jon Gosselin doesn`t go because I do not want to see the pictures of him shirtless at the pool.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Me, too. Really. I don`t mind seeing the kids running up and down the deck, but not that husband of hers, ex, of course. He`s pretty much disappeared from the limelight and he says he wants to set an example now for his kids. Listen to this because this is a humdinger.


JON GOSSELIN, FORMER HUSBAND OF KATE GOSSELIN: I will be the model of my daughter`s husbands. So if I act the way I`m acting, they will probably marry someone like me.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: He`s doing some sort of spiritual thing there, but listen, on the other side of the break we`re going to talk to Ken Baker about who`s winning in this battle, him or Kate?


VELEZ-MITCHELL: No offense but I`d pay $2,000 not to go on a cruise with Kate Gosselin.

All right. Quick call from Sandy in Pennsylvania, which, of course, is the home turf of Kate Gosselin -- question?

Caller: Hi, Kate (SCI) you know what, when I first started watching Kate`s reality show about two years ago, I really liked her. I thought she was really wholesome and down to earth person. But I noticed of course, as the time went on, she was making more money, of course, it does change a lot of people. And I keep feeling like kind of because she`s got eight kids to feed, they want to help give her a chance.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. Ken baker, very briefly, are people feeling sorry for her?

BAKER: I don`t think people are feeling sorry for her. She got a Hollywood make-over. She looks great. She still is very wealthy, lives in a very nice house in Pennsylvania and she can go make like $50,000 getting on a boat. She`s winning.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ken, thanks. Great to see you. "Nancy Grace" next.