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Alleged Soccer Mom Madam Speaks Out; Baby Burlesque; Danger on a Dinner Plate

Aired March 9, 2012 - 19:00   ET


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, coming to you live from New York City.

Tonight the accused soccer mom madam breaks her silence from inside solitary confinement at Rikers Island. She told the "New York Post," I would, quote, "bite my tongue off before I`d tell cops anything."


VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, a mother accused of being a Manhattan madam fires back at prosecutors. She says she`ll never spill the beans. The suburban mom exposes secrets about her intense interrogation at the hands of prosecutors. And her alleged double life. Is the NYPD using her to break a bigger case? We`ll investigate.

And Whitney Houston`s family tells all for the first time since the superstar singer`s death. Whitney`s daughter, brother, sister-in-law reveal family secrets in an interview with Oprah. What were their fears? Were there warning signs in the days before Whitney`s death? We`ve got a sneak peek right here.

Plus the reality show "Dance Moms" sparks outrage after a risque routine where young girls are instructed to perform in skin-colored bras, giving the illusion they`re naked. What was their dance coach thinking? We`re live, and we`re taking your calls for the full hour.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Soccer mom madam.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Headlines like "Madam X" and "High Class Madam Busted" are splashed across New York`s tabloids.

WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: She`s a mother of four who lives in the suburbs. But right now she`s staying at Rikers Island.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: A so-called soccer mom who cops say led a double life as a madam boasted of making millions.

VINNIE PARKO, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: Definitely not a millionaire. If she was a millionaire, she`d be out -- she`d be out on bail now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A caring, loving mother.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: By night prosecutors claim she ran a brothel out of this modest Manhattan house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This isn`t a profession. This is just quick money; quick and easy money. Get in, get out.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: An odd case that raises questions about who may be exposed through her little black book.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Very well-dressed gentlemen.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are they baseball players or more financial guys?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Money guys. I can`t wait to see that list.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight a homemaker`s alleged double life gets splashed across the tabloids. And take a look at the headline in "The New York Post," "Madame Tells."

Tonight the soccer mom madam proclaims her innocence. And she says she is feeling the heat, literally. The detectives putting serious pressure on alleged madam, And they`re demanding she spill all the secrets involving her alleged brothel. She says she`s cooped up in 100 degrees solitary confinement at Rikers Island, the prison.

"New York Post" scored an exclusive interview with Anna Christina at Rikers. She told them, quote, "I`d bite off my tongue before I`d tell cops anything." Wait a minute. Doesn`t that imply she is hiding something, that there are secrets to spill? But she also insists she`s innocent.

One thing we know for sure. Anna and her hubby, wow, they like to take sexy snapshots of themselves and post them on Facebook.

Prosecutors say they arrested Anna after a five-year undercover investigation. They claim she`s charging top dollar for 15 years as a madam and raking in as much as 10 million clams.

Anna allegedly ran the whole operation out of this cramped, unassuming Manhattan apartment. Some neighbors took notice of the interesting comings and goings.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Very well-dressed gentlemen. Women, I think, of European background, it looked like. So I mean, that`s just the way they appeared to me.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hmm. Lots of women going in there. What`s your take on this case? Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS. That`s 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to Duncan Roy. You may know him from "Sex Rehab with Dr. Drew." And he also used to direct pornography.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: No? OK. Forget it. Never mind.

ROY: Never.

Jane, what are you saying? Never directed pornography.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. You know, maybe I looked at the notes and my imagination got away with me. But you...

ROY: I directed a -- I directed a play once called "Pornography, A Spectacle." But that was years ago.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. That`s it. That`s it. All right. So that was very wry commentary on pornography. We can`t call you pornography director.

ROY: Exactly.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But you obviously know a little bit about sex, OK? You are -- can I call you a recovering sex addict?

ROY: You certainly can.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. What do you make of this woman? She says -- look at this photo with her and her husband. She says, "I`m not running a brothel. I was running a legitimate online Web service, or trying to start one, anyway." But in the same breath she says, "I`ll bite my tongue off before I tell cops anything."

ROY: Well, she`s in a really hard position. Because I mean, you know, we live in such a prurient society that, you know, she admits to what she`s been doing, if she`s been doing it, then people are going to come down hard on her.

You know, this woman is a kind of heroine to somebody like me. Because I mean, she`s providing a service. In many different countries it just wouldn`t be an issue.

So I mean, you know let the woman out of Rikers Island. Let her get on with the job she`s doing. And she`s probably doing it very, very well, but I mean, you know, as I said, the police seem to be -- like she says, they seem to have another issue going on here. And I`d like to know what that is. You know, why her? And why she`s been charged with such a tiny crime. Because I mean, you know, it`s a misdemeanor, not even a felony. So I mean, what`s going on?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I think something doesn`t add up. I would agree with you there. Five-year investigation, hundreds of hours of surveillance. Video apparently of people having sex. And then they charge her with one measly count.

Prosecutors claim Anna Gristina raked in 10 million bucks over 15 years running a brothel. To that she says, "Oh, really? I can barely keep my electricity on."

Now, she actually lives in a modest home in this little tiny village 40 miles from Manhattan. There`s her house. She claims she`s literally a struggling hockey mom who also loves to rescue animals. She told "The New York Post," quote, "I`ve been struggling to keep my daughter in college, to pay tuition. Our utilities are always on the verge of being shut off. I can show you the bills. We live a very simple life," end quote.

Here`s a private investigator who is working with Anna Gristina.


PARKO: It makes for a good headline. But a lot of things that they`re talking about are not true.


PARKO: All right. That she`s a millionaire madam? If she was a millionaire madam, she`d be out on bail now.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, that`s true. If she was so rich, why couldn`t she afford the $1 million bail?

Now get this: "The New York Daily News" printed an excerpt from Anna`s wiretap where she says, quote, "I`m not stupid. I don`t live in a $2 million home and claim 30,000 grand to the IRS." In other words, that she`s living a simple life to cover up her huge earnings.

Let`s go to Eric Brand. He`s a criminal defense attorney who has represented people working in the sex industry. Is this a case where she might be living very simply because she`s taking that money and putting it somewhere where nobody can find it?

ERIC BRAND, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It`s certainly possible. It would be smart if you`re engaging in conduct which gets you ill-gotten gains from criminal activity that you don`t live a lavish lifestyle. Because otherwise how do you explain that wealth?

It is possible that she had the money secreted away. And even if she did, it makes it very difficult to post $2 million bail, because you can`t show up with a bag of cash. Somebody can`t show up on her behalf with a bag of cash without starting a whole other inquiry into where they got the cash from. It might be evidence against her or perhaps themselves.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I agree with you. I think that this is a fascinating case, because if you have to live a simple life, then what`s the point of having the money in the first place? I mean, it really doesn`t make sense. We see this all the time with people who wonder away. They put money somewhere, where nobody can find it, and they live a very simple life so that nobody knows they`re making all this money.

But what`s the point of making all that money if you can`t even spend it?

All right. We`re going to go to the phone lines now. Answer the question, Eric.

BRAND: It begs the question. The prosecutors come forth and they just come up with this idea that it was $10 million. We don`t have any bank records. They admitted we can`t find the money. So how do they come up with the number $10 million in their investigation? Were they clocking it? This year she made $2 million; this year she made another 2 million?

Why didn`t they arrest her then? I think this is all a ploy to try to get her, to coerce her to give up names of others who are involved. That`s what they`re doing. There`s no reason why this woman should be in Rikers Island on a $2 million bond on a D -- a class D felon, for which she`s eligible for straight probation with no jail time whatsoever.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And it`s much more complicated than even that. Prosecutors are also trying to track down Anna`s co-defendant, her alleged right-hand woman, and this woman`s name is blacked out in the indictment. However, she`s been identified in published reports as 30-year-old Jamie May Baker. And yes, she`s quite a looker.

Anna told "The New York Post" that Jamie is a matchmaker who`s helping her with her legitimate online dating service. And she also says Jamie is not on the lam. She`s actually just enjoying her yearly family vacation out of the country.

You know what, Holly Hughes? The reason we focus on these cases is that they involve really interesting and often quite attractive people who are engaged in very salacious, alleged activities that they hotly deny, Holly Hughes.

HOLLY HUGHES: Absolutely. But I mean, with all due respect to this poor lady, she`s not Heidi Fleiss. She`s not the Mayflower Madam, Sydney Biddle Barrow. I mean, she`s living in a modest home. And your point is well taken. Why would you have all this money if you`re not going to spend it?

Jane, we are not getting the naked truth here, as it were, about this story. And pun intended, yes. But there is so much more. If they have been watching her for five years, and the best they can do is one measly charge, there`s a problem. There`s a problem. There`s a whole lot we`re not being told.

And if they have her under surveillance, they know who else is involved, because they`ve seen them coming and going. So why are they trying to pressure her for information they should already have?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, she claims it`s part of a much bigger -- she`s a pawn in a much bigger effort to put pressure on these important men for another reason. We`re going to get to that in a moment.

But first, out to the phones. Wanda, Tennessee. Your question or thought, Wanda.

Wanda, are you there darling? How you doing? What`s your question or thought, my dear?

All right. You know what? We`re going to give Wanda a little time to get her act together. We`re going to get back to her on the other side of the break.

We are just getting started. More on the soccer mom madam next. And we`re taking your calls: 1-877-JVM-SAYS.

Then Whitney Houston`s daughter finally breaks her silence after her mother`s death.

But first, was a wife and mother living a double life as a madam? What secrets is she hiding?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To speak about the defendant is to speak about an individual who is a caring, loving mother. But the only problem is, she`s a woman and not a man.




JODI "BABYDOL" GIBSON, FORMER MADAM: In in case after they got the black book, they contacted the girls in the book and harassed them into cooperating after my arrest, not before it.

The head investigating officer on my case met the girl, had sex with my girl, paid the girl, and did not go back and arrest her until two months later.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Didn`t you just hear with former Hollywood madam, Jodi "Babydol" Gibson told me just a couple of nights ago? Because she ran a prostitution ring that was also busted.

Now, given that and given, Duncan Roy, that prosecutors say this alleged madam in New York, Anna Gristina, bragged about having powerful law- enforcement ties that would tip her off if she was about to get in trouble. Is it possible that some of the investigators were having sex with some of the girls?

ROY: I think that might very well be possible. But whoever they`re trying to get to in all of this, they`re trying to shame. You know what? The whole issue around this -- these kind of rings are, you`re right. The women are usually used as tools to get to men who the authorities or people want to shame in some way.

And so, you know, it will be interesting to see who is in the little black book, if there is one. Because if she`s not prepared to say anything, I`m sure that somebody will come forward, sooner or later, and reveal the information that is going to be ultimately revealed.

You know, I don`t understand why her bail is set at the rate it is. I don`t understand why they`re trying to slur her or discredit her by saying she provided underaged girls. You know, there`s a whole lot of nonsense around this.

But you know, this is shame-based behavior. And sadly, as I said earlier, we`re very susceptible to this in this country, shame-based behavior. And we`re going to -- we`re going to mine it really, really well. I mean, this is, as people have said, it`s just the tip of the iceberg.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Anna was arrested last month after reportedly. allegedly, reportedly meeting with a Morgan Stanley financial adviser. Now, published reports name him as David Walker and say that he is on leave of absence from Morgan Stanley while the investigation continues.

Anna claims that she and Walker were simply discussing plans for a legitimate online dating service, linking wealthy men with women for long- term relationships.

We have to say, we`ve left messages for this man, as well as Morgan Stanley. We have no response. But they or their attorneys are invited on any time. We want to be fair here.

Robert Wallace, former New York City prosecutor, there`s a growing sense that we do not know the secrets behind this case, that there is something much bigger that prosecutors might be after. That this woman might be used as leverage to get at powerful men for some other reason. Your thoughts, Robert?

ROBERT WALLACE, FORMER NEW YORK CITY PROSECUTOR: It certainly could be the case, Jane. There was talk that there was an NYPD internal investigation going on. They thought there might have been a sergeant who was seen outside the building possibly patronizing one of Anna`s girls. So, you know, this investigation and Anna`s prosecution is going on at the same time that these other investigations are taking place. There might be a lot more going on here. We just don`t know yet.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to go to the phone lines. Kim in Georgia, your question or thought, Kim.

CALLER: Hi, Jane. Thank you so much for taking my call, and thank you so much for everything you do for the animals. Thank you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you. Thank you for caring, as well. And your thought?

CALLER: My question is why is her bond so ridiculously high? I`m a mother of three, and a grandmother. And it just seems like unless there`s something else that we haven`t heard too much of yet, it seems so high. I don`t understand why when all the guys get off pretty much scotfree.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, there is a double standard, Holly Hughes, criminal defense attorney. You can`t deny that. The John walk, and the girls often do time.

HUGHES: Absolutely. And they`re trying to -- we were just showing the headlines. They`re trying to sweat her. They`re trying to break her. That`s why the bond is so high. They know she has children that she misses and she has a loving husband at home.

She wants to be home. She doesn`t want to be locked in a little box in Rikers, literally sweating to death in 100-degree heat. So this is all a pressure tactic. She already told them, "Look, I`m not going to talk to you." And guess what, Jane? That`s her constitutional right. She doesn`t have to solve their case for them. She doesn`t have to do their investigation. And quite frankly, if they`ve done five years of investigation, why don`t they have the answers?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to do a quick equation. There are legitimate dating sites that take cute girls and line them up with wealthy men. We have an equation. Cute girls plus wealthy men equals a hook up. Is that what she was doing? And if so, there are tons of dating sites doing the same thing. More next.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: More secrets of an alleged madam in a moment. But first, you voted for this, your "Viral Video of the Week." Coming up in just a little while, and this could be a viral video of the week. Just take a look at this couple. The woman accused of being a madam, her husband, who is very buff.



PARKO: It had nothing to do with prostitution. Now, if she had a prostitution business, it has nothing to do with this. This is a separate type of business. You know, they can spin it any way they want. They can say she was trying to become legitimate because she was illegal.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, you were just hearing from Vinnie Parko, a private eye who worked with this Anna Gristina, who insists, "Hey, I was working on a legitimate online dating service." And there`s so many of these services that hook up older, rich men with sexy young women.

I want to show you this graphic that that we created. We don`t want to tell you about the sites. Why give them free advertising? But there are tons of sites that link up a sexy, young woman with a rich, older man. And they say things like, "It`s just as easy to fall in love with a rich man as it is with a poor man." You can call it whatever you want. It`s -- do the math, people.

Now, Duncan Roy, I stumbled upon this and wrote about it in "Addict Nation," because I actually know somebody who was using that service and had a girl in an apartment while he was married with children. So none of this shocks me, because I`ve seen it.

Is it possible, Duncan, that they`re both right? That she was running a service that she considered legit, because there are these services on the Internet, but the prosecutors decided, no, we`re going to call it prostitution?

ROY: Well, I think, you know, it`s semantics, ultimately. What do I think? I think it`s perfectly reasonable that people connect other people. You know? If you want a high-class kind of person to hook up with, then you`re going to find somebody who`s going to make that -- make that possible.

You know, it all comes down to morally. How do -- how do you really feel about it? Honestly, I feel that it`s reasonable that there are these people that can connect other people; connect rich men to other men or rich men to other girls. I mean, you know, in the gay community, certainly, you know, there are -- there are many sites, many dating sites like that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And let me tell you something, it`s not just older men. It can be cougars. I went on the sites to research. Yes, to research. You can be a cougar. You can click "I want a younger" whatever. And the combo seems to be, if you have money and the other person doesn`t and is sexy. That`s the only commonality.

ROY: I think the issue -- the issue might be -- the issue might be the room maybe that they were using. I mean, maybe that`s the fact that, if you`re supplying the room and you`re introducing the guy and the girl, and the room, maybe that`s what makes it prostitution.

But you`re right. In this sort of online age, you can get anything you want on the Internet. And you know, the Internet providers that -- the Internet providers...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to go to Rich in New York. You apparently live in this neighborhood. What do you know, Rich?

CALLER: Well, all I can say is this. Why not go defend the police department`s judgment? Why not go with the police department`s instead of saying a sweet soccer mom? You don`t know what really happened. But they do, obviously. They wouldn`t have arrested her.

There`s eight million people in New York City. Why her? There`s got to be a reason for that. And you have to be able to support the police department. Otherwise we`re going to have a big problem in this country socially. You`re complaining they`re not doing the job properly.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I think you`re making some good points. I have never said they`re not doing their job properly. This madam is saying she`s been busted for the wrong reasons and we`re examining it. But I appreciate your sentiment.

Eric Frantz, criminal defense attorney. Your thoughts.

ERIC FRANTZ, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: ... the police department. The condemnation right now really isn`t at the prosecution as much as it`s at the judge. It`s the excessive bail of $2 million which people are condemning. Whether this was a prostitution...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Little girls dressed to look like...



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: New controversy over the Lifetime show "Dance Moms". Little girls to the make the audience think that they are nude.

ABBY LEE MILLER, HEAD INSTRUCTOR, ABBY LEE DANCE COMPANY: The idea with the fan dance is that you cover the body with the fans so you give the illusion that you`re nude underneath the fans.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m listening to the audience hoot and holler at my 10-year-old, and I`ve never been so mortified.


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST: A reality show that makes little girls as young as eight years of age dance nearly naked in front of adults. Is it primetime pedophilia or just harmless fun? You can decide.

The latest episode of "Dance Moms" on Lifetime had young contestants dressed in skin-colored bikinis and dance a full burlesque routine -- what is this, the Folies Bergere -- in sexually explicit material performed by grade school girls. Look.




VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s like being at the Moulin Rouge. And it wasn`t just the costumes that were provocative. The girls were specifically told that the whole point of the dance was to look like they were naked.

Listen to their instructor Abby Lee Miller from Lifetime and E! News.


MILLER: The idea with the fan dance is that you cover your body with the fans so you give the illusion that you`re nude underneath the fans.

You`re going to be show girls. The audience should think that you are nude.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: What? Is this too sexy? Too young? Call me? 1-877-JVM- SAYS, 1-877-586-7297. We want to hear from you, moms.

Straight out to Amber Goodhand from RadarOnline; Amber, now we found out that Lifetime pulled all the clips of the show from its Web site. Do you think they`re trying to bury the episode and pretend it never happened?

AMBER GOODHAND, RADARONLINE: Well, there`s no way they`re going to be able to forget it ever happened. It already aired this week and I think Lifetime got exactly what they wanted. It stirred up a lot of controversy. It`s got everyone talking. You have people on your show tonight talking about it.

And that`s what Abby Lee Miller wanted when she put the dance together. And that`s what the show wanted when they aired it. So there`s no reason why the need to pull to clips, you know. There`s still shots out there; there`s video clips all over YouTube. It`s not going away.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You`re right. We live in an upside down world where it`s just like spell my name right or spell my show`s name right and it really doesn`t matter what you`re saying, as long as people are talking about you, good or bad.

Believe it or not, the moms were actually divided over whether this routine was appropriate or not. Watch this from Lifetime.


MELISSA, DANCE MOM: McKenzie struts across the stage; she owns this dance.

HOLLY, DANCE MOM: I`m listening to the audience hoot and holler at my 10- year-old and I`ve never been so mortified.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. But those weren`t the only opinions. Chloe`s mom Christi said, "No one ever wants to hear the word "nude" associated with their 10-year-old."

But then I heard that another mom said something like, "my daughter owned the stage".

I want to go to mommy blogger, Jessica Gottlieb, you`re a parenting expert. What say you? Is this damaging the kids psychologically?

JESSICA GOTTLIEB, MOMMY BLOGGER, JESSICAGOTTLIEB.COM: This is a train wreck of epic proportions. One of the clips that you didn`t get on here is really interesting. And it`s where she showing them how to use the feathers and saying, you can`t afford me.

Backing up to your last story -- it`s sending little girls the message that their entire value lays in their sexuality is really, really scary. And these mothers should be mortified. They should be embarrassed every week. Not just this week.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, honestly, this has to be seen to believe. Take a look at more baby burlesque routines from Lifetime`s "Dance Moms". You decide. We`ve got callers lining up.



MILLER: All costumes were just stunning on the girls. So I think that my moms are going to keep their mouths shut about costumes from now on.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That dance teacher Abby Lee Miller has come under fire for telling the girls that they should think "I`m hot. I mean, you can`t have me. You can`t afford me." This is exactly what mom blogger was referring to.

Melanie Snare, I hate to go out on a limb, but it`s more than equating girls with their value monetarily. Is this crossing some kind of, whew, very serious line here?

MELANIE SNARE, FORMER PROFESSIONAL DANCER: I think it`s completely way crossed the line. As a mom, looking at these children out there and the message that the teacher and the parents are putting out to the children and everyone else watching -- I hold the parents just as responsible because there`s plenty of dance studios out there where their kids could be performing beautiful, amazing dance routines without all of this drama and without all of this sexuality that is just completely inappropriate for the age.

It blows my mind that it`s even -- that you would tell a 10-year-old that we`re going to do a dance that you`re implying that you`re nude. Why do they need to do that to show how talented they are? They do not.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Judy, Alabama, your question or thought, Judy?

JUDY, ALABAMA (via telephone): Well, I feel that "Dance Moms" and "Toddlers and Tiaras" should not be on standard TV. The clothing and the routines that these two shows project are on the verge of become R rated pornography. I do not like them. I do not support them. They should not be on TV.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, listen, I agree that this could be very damaging. But I have to give you my personal take on this story because my mother was a dancer. You might call her a former showgirl. She`s 96 years old, and if you`re watching, and I know you are mom -- hi mom -- but when she was a lot younger, she had some very sexy dance numbers. There she is with her dance crew. And they traveled all over the Caribbean and Canada, and they did a lot of flamenco but also some burlesque routines.

And I have to tell you -- I`ll go back to Jessica Gottlieb -- when I was a little kid my mother volunteered at the school. And yes she played at the Palace Theater which was the ultimate vaudeville venue at the time. She was the last of the vaudevilles. She got in trouble for choreographing dance routines at my school that were too sexy.

But she didn`t know she was doing it because her context was her world of dance and she had no idea that what she was choreographing for her kids was too sexy. And I remember this when I was a little kid -- my mom is probably chuckling if she`s watching.

Your thoughts.

GOTTLIEB: Well, first of all God bless your mom. We all should have spent our 20s a little more naked. The thing is, these are little kids. Their parents are watching these rehearsals. No mother in her right mind is going to watch her daughter be taught to be seductive, be taught burlesque and not walk out the door. There`s a real failure here for people to protect these kids.

Further, putting it on TV, I was really uncomfortable watching those clips. I don`t want to see a little girl`s bottom the way you would see an NFL cheerleaders. It`s really -- we have these boundaries in place, we have these social norms to protect kids but also to protect like the comfort of adults.

If somebody had this on their computer when they were being arrested for inappropriate actions, it would be used as evidence. And so putting your kids in this position on purpose, it`s an absolute failure in parenting.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I think you`re dancing around -- pun intended -- dancing around something and that is that pedophiles are going to be looking at this stuff and becoming aroused by it and that is I think what is really disturbing about it.

I want to go to Karen from Celeb Buzz. You`ve been all over the story. What is your take?

KAREN: My take is watching this honestly feels like the beginning of a "Law and Order: SVU" episode. I mean it just looks pretty inappropriate to me. But the thing is this last week it has been a series high for "Dance Moms". So you know, maybe part of the problem is us and everybody who`s actually tuning into this.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I think you raise a good question. Our societal hypocrisy that we condemn but we watch. Somebody is watching it. They`re getting huge monster ratings.

Colleen, Pennsylvania; your question or thought, colleen?

COLLEEN, PENNSYLVANIA (via telephone): I think it`s a complete epic fail on parental guidance in general. I don`t condone it. Although, you know what Jane; consider the source. Look at the teacher. Look at the parents. I mean have you watched any of the other episodes of this particular -- this should not even be televised. It goes more way beyond the dance and the costumes. It`s how the adults are acting in front of the children and if there`s anything that`s going to be psychologically wrong with the children, it`s how they`re being treated.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: To me the bottom line is turning kids into products, living through your kids; putting your kids out there to fulfill all your unfulfilled fantasies. Moms, moms out there, if you want to do burlesque, then you get a burlesque outfit and you do it yourself. Don`t channel all your unfulfilled fantasies into your daughters, ok. They don`t need that.

Let them make their own choices and their own decisions. Maybe they want to play tennis.

All right. Up next, we hear about a lady saying "thank you for covering animal stories"; we`ve got another one but this one concerns your health. Animals pumped full of drugs. People are asking now could it be making you sick? And we`re taking your calls because we care about your health and your kid`s health and what they`re eating in school.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Gut-wrenching footage from an undercover investigation sending shockwaves through the U.S.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One of the reasons we`re increasingly plagued with new super bus is the mass feeding of antibiotics to farm animals.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To ask if there`s a question between human drug resistance and (INAUDIBLE) is like asking if there`s climate change or if there is a link between smoking and lung cancer.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, it`s an American crisis every mom needs to know about. Could the food on your dinner table be dangerous for you and your kids` health? New reports claim, meat packed with antibiotics could cause drug-resistant super bugs.

We just told you this week about kids` school lunches being packed with a mystery meat substance called pink slime; something so gross even fast food restaurants have turned it down. Celebrity chef Jamie Oliver explains the pink slime that is being put into public school kids` lunches on YouTube.


JAMIE OLIVER, CELEBRITY CHEF: All of the bits that no one wants; the bits of sinew, the bits of meat, the bits that can`t be turn into a cut. They take away the trimmings -- all the stuff they pay to get taken away.

They put it into a centrifuge and they spin it. Now what does that do? It splits the fat from the meat. The key ingredient of the process is ammonia. We`re going to wash these lean bits of beef that we`ve spun around there in a water and ammonia solution. I don`t know how much, and the water. There`s a specific ratio but basically they wash this meat --


VELEZ-MITCHELL: The Human Society says that up to 80 percent of antibiotics used in the United States are not used to cure sick people but fed to livestock so they will to grow faster while kept in deplorable conditions.

Critics complain when the people are constantly exposed to antibiotics through food then when they get sick and need medicine, the life saving drugs might not work. What do you think about this? Call me, 1-877-JVM- SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to Paul Shapiro from the Humane Society of the United States; There IS a new law being proposed right now in the halls of Congress to change how antibiotics are given to farm animals. Tell us about it in people terms and why you have endorsed it.

PAUL SHAPIRO, HUMANE SOCIETY OF THE UNITED STATES: Jane, millions of pounds of antibiotics are fed to our nation`s chickens and pigs on factory farms just to fatten them up faster and to prevent illnesses that would otherwise occur in such stressful, unhygienic conditions. This is one more reason why improving the treatment of our nation`s farm animals would be better both for them and for us. And it`s important for the Congress to take action so that we can have antibiotics that will work for longer for human beings.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let`s take a closer look at how antibiotics are used on farm animals and how it might affect you. Now according to the Humane Society, Farmers give animals laced antibiotic feed. So there they are chowing down on these feed with antibiotics.

Then they`re kept in these very tight, confined conditions. These animals grow larger and faster when fed they`re fed the antibiotics. Then the animals are slaughtered for food.

Now here`s where it gets tricky. Not only can you be exposed to the antibiotics through meat, but also through contaminated water and soil. So even people who don`t eat and either eat only organic meat need to be concerned about this.

I want to go out to Dr. Michael Gregor. He is a public health expert for the Humane Society of the United States. First of all, here`s my first question. Isn`t the antibiotic supposed to pass through the animal before the animal is slaughtered? Is that always happening?

DR. MICHAEL GREGOR, PUBLIC HEALTH EXPERT, HUMANE SOCIETY: The antibiotics do pass through the animal. Some of it is retained in the muscle tissue but when it does pass through the antibiotics can contamination the water supply, the soil, the workers. 80 percent of antibiotics sold in the U.S. go to these factory farms -- penicillin, tetracycline, erythromycine -- fed by the ton, turning these factory farms into veritable breeding grounds for these multidrug resistant super bugs.

We should be able to go to the grocery store and not worry that we`re going to bring something back to our home that could expose our family to antibiotic resistant bacteria that don`t even respond to current medical treatment.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And by the way, European Union took steps a decade ago to ban this overuse of antibiotics for non-treatment purposes in farm animals.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: More on your food, your health in a moment, but first we all deserve a laugh break.






GRAPHICS: Iowa is about to enact the nation`s first AG-Gag Law. It aims to outlaw investigations exposing animal cruelty on factory farms. What are factory farms in Iowa trying to hide?

See for yourself.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: All those chicks going to their deaths. You know, Iowa just passed into law an AG Gag bill that makes it a crime to infiltrate any of these farms, these factory farms and take video. But that is how all of the revelations of cruel practices on the farms have come out. It hasn`t been self-reported at all.

`Now, we reached out to the USDA; we haven`t heard back yet on this issue of antibiotics. But we did some research, looked at reports and it turns out that even the USDA thinks something`s wrong here. Quote, "We found that the national residue program is not accomplishing its mission of monitoring the food supply for harmful residues." The USDA still found in an audit that the U.S. government is not doing enough to keep residual veterinary drugs out.

And my question Paul Shapiro, quickly, is why? Why is the U.S. government not doing more to help consumers have food that is absolutely free of antibiotic residue?

SHAPIRO: You know Jane, there`s an unfortunately very cozy relationship between the meat industry and the USDA. And this is one of the reasons most like why we are still lacing our farm animals feed with these millions of pounds of antibiotics every single year, enabling factory farms to cram these animals into squalid, overcrowded conditions and quite frankly it shows just how far the meat industry is willing to go when it comes to compromising the welfare of our nation`s farm animals and the welfare of the American people as well.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You are looking at video of an HSUS undercover investigation that resulted in the largest beef recall in U.S. history. The USDA inspectors were right there are; they didn`t see any of these horrors. They were right there, they looked the other way.

If you want to get involved,, that`s the Humane Society`s Web site; you can also you can tell your U.S. Senator or member of Congress or both. Pass this bill. It is called the PATMA Bill. And that stands for the antibiotics in farm animals. PATMA is short hand -- you want to see that passed if you feel that you do not want any antibiotics whatsoever or residue in anything that you eat.

Rio, South Carolina; Rio, your question or thought, Rio?

RIO, SOUTH CAROLINA: Yes, I`m watching the footage and it`s very, very disturbing to watch. I`ve a question, I`m a former college student -- actually returning college student and what I want to know is, I got food poisoning from eating food at the college. My question is how do we prevent these bugs from getting into us? What can we as the public do to prevent these things from happening?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Dr. Michael Gregor, public health expert for the Humane Society of the United States, can you answer that question sir?

GREGOR: While these food poisonings bacteria are killed by cooking, oftentimes meat comes to our homes fresher frozen and they cross contaminate surfaces either in the cafeteria or the restaurants or even in our kitchen. And so that is why it`s important that the onus of responsibility is really on the producers, to produce safe meat in the first place and not flood these factory farms with antibiotics.

If we continue to squander these life-saving vital medications we could be interpreting a post antibiotic age where a simple scrape can turn into a mortal wound or a simple operation can be anything but.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We invite the USDA on any time. We did try to reach them and have not heard back.

More on the other side for your health.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Most of the antibiotics used in America are used on farm animals and it`s a growing crisis. A bill -- PATMA bill would change that.

Kelly, California, your question or thought, Kelly?

KELLY, CALIFORNIA (via telephone): Hi, how are you doing? Honestly, I think that they are just pumping the animals full of unnecessary genes and additives for -- excuse me, for better results and in their opinion, which honestly just downs the quality of food for everyone. And it compromises and degrades our society honestly because they are just so busy worried about their dollars and less about just humans in general, you know. They only care --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, thank you for calling, this is a consumer issue. You the consumer have the ultimate power, exercise your voice.

Nancy, next.