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Roy Hodgson Emerges as Surprise Candidate for England Football Manager; Search for Joseph Kony Encounters Struggle; New Seized Files Provide Vast Insight into Al Qaeda's Attack Plans

Aired April 30, 2012 - 16:00   ET


ANNOUNCER: Live from CNN London, this is Connect the World with Becky Anderson.

BECKY ANDERSON, HOST: New documents reveal chilling plans to hijack a passenger ship and flood Europe with trained terrorists. Tonight, almost a year on from the death of Osama bin Laden, we look at whether al Qaeda are still a force to be reckoned with.

Over this hour, on the hunt for one of Africa's most feared warlords, we join U.S. special forces sent to capture Joseph Kony.

And could this be the man who finally leads England's footballers to potential victory?

First tonight, a look inside the shadowy network of al Qaeda like you have never seen before. CNN has details of secret documents that U.S. intelligence officials call pure gold, they're invaluable information.

The story is exclusive reporting of our international -- senior international correspondent Nic Robertson tonight who joins me in the studio.

What we have now, Nic, is a better idea of how al Qaeda carried out past attacks and what I believe it's planning in the future.

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: This gives us an insight, a precise insight that we haven't had before exactly what they intend to target and why they're shifting their target base away from the traditional targets of the past and alto their documents that look back at their past attacks and set the agenda for the future and give us a chilling insight into the 7/7 subway attack in London and shows us just how lucky Londoners were two weeks later.


ROBERTSON: As U.S. Navy SEALS were preparing to storm the now infamous compound in Pakistan a year ago, two of his recently trained European recruits were sneaking out of the country on a mission to cause carnage. They were headed for Vienna and Berlin.

But not long after they returned to Europe, one of them was being questioned at this police station. He was arrested and searched. And hidden in his underwear, police found memory recording device like these. Buried deep in the devices was a pornographic video and hidden in files inside that were what police believe were more than 100 secret al Qaeda documents.

Documents that included detailed accounts at the planning for some of al Qaeda's biggest attacks, and ideas for future operations, apparently drawn up by some of the terror group's most senior operatives three years ago.

YASSIN MUSHARBASH, DIE ZIET NEWSPAPER: According to the Germany federal criminal police, must have been written up by the inner core of al Qaeda.

ROBERTSON: Investigative journalist Yassin Musharbash works for German Di Zeit Newspaper and was the first to report on the documents.

Among al Qaeda's plans, attacks like the one in Mumbai, India in 2008 when 10 Pakistani militants armed with automatic weapons on a suicide mission stormed three hotels, killing more than 160 people.

And another plan, the most chilling yet.

MUSHARBASH: He said that we could hijack a passenger ship on the sea and then use it to pressure -- to pressurize the public. What he most likely means is that, you know, that they would then start executing passengers on those ships and demand the release of particular prisoners.

ROBERTSON: They would dress passengers in orange jump suits, mimicking al Qaeda prisoners in GITMO. Executions would be quickly uploaded to an al Qaeda website.

Also in the planned document titled future works, to flood Europe with trained terrorists and overwhelm counterterrorism agencies.

MUSHARBASH: The author seems to be convinced that al Qaeda should be pursuing a two track strategy of low cost, low damage attacks and large- scale attacks.

ROBERTSON: Like the 9/11.


The reason being that if al Qaeda were to pursue only large-scale attacks and those are foiled, then they have nothing.

ROBERTSON: And that's where these two men sent back to Europe fit into al Qaeda's planning. Yousef Archek (ph), seen here in a militant video threatening Germany, and 22-year-old Maxud Loden (ph), the man found with the memory sticks. German prosecutors allege their job was to recruit a network of suicide attackers.

MUSHARBASH: We do not know what these two young men were actually up to, but there are certain information in those files that would make it plausible to assume that they probably were thinking of the Mumbai attack.

ROBERTSON: They are currently on trial in Berlin and have denied being members of a terrorist organization.

Other files hidden deep in that porn video show not only al Qaeda's thinking about the future, but also shed light on the planning of past attacks and elaborate efforts to fool intelligence services.

U.S. intelligence sources tell CNN this information is pure gold, but it contains details of some of al Qaeda's most dangerous attacks, including the attack on the London subway seven years ago.

52 were killed, several hundred injured. The mastermind of that attack: Rashid Rauf, a British member of al Qaeda. In one of the documents found in Berlin he spells out his role in that attack. As this bomber recorded his martyrdom statement.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What you have witnessed now is only the beginning.

ROBERTSON: Rauf writes he was in the room off camera. He set up a computer and put the scripted statement. Rauf also reveals there was a shortlist of three targets: the Bank of England, the G8 summit that would be taking place in Scotland, and the London subway. They picked the subway, because it required less explosives.

Rauf's big takeaway of the success of this team was the time he spent with them helping them memorize codes so they could communicate securely, teaching them countersurveillance techniques to switch their phones, how to use email accounts and internet chats. He also reveals that two of the bombers were sure they were being watched by British intelligence, because some of their associates had been arrested in connection with another plot. They acted up that life was normal, going to the movies, joking out loud a lot.

A subsequent inquiry in Britain found that the intelligence service, MI5 were aware of the two men and their connections, but didn't think they posed a threat. Even as London was recovering from that terrible day, Rauf was planning a devastating follow-up.

It was at this Berlin police station that German police stumbled on al Qaeda's crowned jewels: 141 heavily encrypted documents recovered from a man brought in for questioning.

It took German intelligence operatives several weeks to crack this super secure password that was hiding the documents. Until now, investigators have found nothing to indicate a specific target or attack is being planned.

But they have learned a lot about how al Qaeda plans, how it learns from its mistakes and how it still poses a global threat, because of operators like Rashid Rauf. He planned the London subway attacks July 7, 2005 and admits he was responsible for more plots, including the failed mass transit attack two weeks later, July 21.

MUSHARBASH: Looks like a confirmation that al Qaeda was behind the 21/7 plot as well, something which I don't think was that clear before.

ROBERTSON: According to a document written by Rauf, the 7/21 ringleader, Muqtar Said Ibrahim (ph) few from London's Heathrow airport to Pakistan in late 2004. British intelligence was suspicious and had asked Pakistani security services to watch him. Even so, he was able to travel to an al Qaeda camp and get explosives training. But Ibrahim and his fellow plotters were unable to detonate their bombs.

Rauf blamed it on a communications failure. He said that the 7/7 bombers had had the same problem with their bombmaking, but because they spent more time learning codes and secure communication, he was able to help them sort their problem out. The 7/21 plotters, he said, had not had so much communications training and they lost contact with him. Londoners were lucky.

All the time, Rauf and al Qaeda explosives experts were refining their skills and moving to their next big plot: to bring down planes using liquid explosives. It's why to this day we are limited to small amounts of liquids on flights.

Rauf recalled that just 400 grams of high explosives had brought down Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie in Scotland in 1988. And after several trial runs, devised a plan to detonate similar sized bombs of hydrogen peroxide aboard Transatlantic flights.

His document reveals al Qaeda's technical expertise. They knew which chemicals could pass undetected through an airport scanner, which dyes to use to make the liquid look like soda and not damage the explosives, and how to turn a AA battery into a detonator, all achieved through determined experimentation in Pakistan.

That large plot was eventually broken up after British intelligence began tracking some of those involved. Even so, Rauf wrote that some of the brothers involved were still at-large.

Rauf himself was arrested in Pakistan only to escape before being killed in a drone strike in 2008. U.S. counterterrorism sources say his death was a major blow to al Qaeda. His organizational skills and focus on security sorely missed, a recurring theme in the Berlin documents. Al Qaeda is under pressure, needs to adapt.

MUSHARBASH: If you read the future works document, it clearly -- it clearly has delivers the notion that al Qaeda knows that they are -- that they are being followed very closely and it explicitly says that the western security institutions have become very good at finding attacks and that they have to come up with new ways, and better plotting.

ROBERTSON: And that's just what they are trying to do. It may be that the future brings the sort of lone gunmen attacks that recently left seven people dead in France rather than anything complex like 9/11. No coincidence that a year after these documents were written, European intelligence agencies were scrambling to deal with exactly the sort of plot they outlined, a low cost assault along the lines of the Mumbai attacks.

MUSHARBASH: Would I say the Euro plot is off the table? No. But I believe that the general idea is still alive. And I believe that as soon as al Qaeda believe that they have the capacity to realistically go after that sort of scenario they will immediately do it.

ROBERTSON: German prosecutors say that Yousef Ochek (ph) and Maxud Loden (ph), the pair who came back to Europe last year, may have been intended as the latest wave of attackers, but their names were on a watch list and triggered an alert when they arrived.

Luden (ph) and Ochek's (ph) trial is expected to last several more weeks. Their case appears to be living proof that the blueprint laid out in the document is still active, the carnage in Europe al Qaeda has not changed its ambitions.

And if it finds another Rashid Rauf, it may yet be able to translate those ambitions into devastating attacks.


ANDERSON: Quite remarkable stuff.

Nic, what came out of this that surprised you most?

ROBERTSON: I think the most shocking thing was to know that their second attack in London, the attempted attack, the 7/21, July 2005, came so close to coming off just for the lack of a single phone call, that's how Londoners were saved. That is shocking.

ANDERSON: Remarkable (inaudible) very clearly. Nic, thank you. Stay with me. We're going to take a very short break. When we come back, though, we'll get you reaction to the report that you just heard from some of the top minds in counterterrrorism around the world.

You're watching CNN's Connect the World. Stay with us.


ANDERSON: You're watching a special edition of Connect the World here on CNN with me Becky Anderson. Welcome back.

Returning to our top story, the secret documents that expose the inner workings of al Qaeda. I've got here with me in the studio our senior international correspondent Nic Robertson who did much of the leg work on the exclusive reporting that we had tonight.

I want to bring in two counterterrorism experts for a reaction to some of Nic's reporting tonight. Charles Allen is a former undersecretary of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. He also served 40 years in the CIA. And Micheal Clarke is director general of the Royal United Services Institute for Defense and Security Studies here in London.

Charles, let's start off with you, your reaction to what you heard from Nic's reporting.

CHARLES ALLEN, FRM. UNDER SECRETARY, U.S. DEPT. HOMELAND SECURITY: I think the documents are genuine. I believe that it shows the change in al Qaeda's tactics, not al Qaeda, but also the affiliated networks. I think we are facing smaller, more disciplined attacks. The attacks in Mumbai in 2008 I think reflect the kind of great psychological damage that was done by that attack. It sort of paralyzed India for several days, shut down the economic and entertainment capital of India. I think that could be replicated in Western Europe.

ANDERSON: Michael, many of our viewers will have been, I'm sure, surprised by what Nic was reporting. Were you?

MICHAEL CLARKE, VISITING PROFESSOR, KING'S COLLEGE LONDON: Not really. We've -- we knew quite a few of the details, but what's very valuable about these reports is it shows how much people like Rashid Rauf were writing down and how much of this was being documented by al Qaeda. For an organization that knew that a lot of their communications were being monitored, that knew that they were being tracked and followed, it's astonishing how bureaucratic they were.

And so these reports actually give us a lot of chapter and verse on things that we certainly have a strong belief in. We knew that Rashid Rauf was behind 7/7 and the 21/7, the attacks two weeks later, but not quite the extent of it. And this is actually very interesting to see some of the documentary evidence of this and also the airline plots, the Bojinka plots as they're called, the following year in 2006.

They were the most potentially devastating plots since 9/11. And although they were not close to fruition their intention was absolutely clear. These guys were going to bring down six or eight aircraft over the Atlantic and do as much destruction as 9/11 had done.

ANDERSON: Let's through this forward guys. Nic is with me here in the studio. The death of Osama bin Laden, of course, may have damaged al Qaeda's core, but loyal offshoots of course are still dangerous it seems. The United States increasingly concerned about al Qaeda's expansion in Yemen, particularly the province of Shabwa and Abyan. Recently the Yemeni government announced a full-scale operation against al Qaeda militants in those areas.

Just last week, U.S. drones strike killed the fourth most wanted al Qaeda leader in Yemen. It crossed the Gulf of Aden in Somalia, militants from the al Qaeda affiliate al Shabaab are trying to expand their foothold. And earlier this month al Shabaab claimed responsibility for bombing a market in the town of Bidoua (ph) killing several people and injuring dozens.

Nic, the future.

ROBERTSON: Well I think it's not just the future for al Qaeda isn't just a strong footprint in base -- being able to take advantage of the remnants of the Arab Spring in Yemen as it was, but also kind of take advantage in other places like Libya in the east of Libya where al Qaeda is known to have set up camps, and Ayman al Zawahiri, the head of al Qaeda, sent operatives to establish camps where they can rapidly recruit people and train and that potentially threatens Europe.

So it is these offshoots that are working to the sort of core ideals and values of al Qaeda, maybe not under the day by day direction, but under those core ideas and the potential also of al Qaeda exploiting the situation in Syria is very real.

ANDERSON: Charles, does that resonate with you?

ALLEN: It resonates very well. I think al Qaeda was taken aback by the Arab Spring, but I think now it's beginning to catch up. I certainly agree with the point of view that Libya where there's 100 militias and clearly a very chaotic situation is ripe for al Qaeda training camps to be established. It's also ripe for al Qaeda and Islamic maghreb to rearm itself with weapons and materials from the weapon sites that are scattered all over Libya. So I think we have a real problem. I think we have a real problem potentially longer term in Egypt.

So things are going finally more directly towards al Qaeda following some setbacks over the last year with the al Qaeda spring.

ANDERSON: Which surprise our viewers.

Michael, do you concur?

CLARKE: Yes. In the long run I think that's true, because al Qaeda were wrong-footed, as Charles said, by the Arab Spring. But the fact is the Arab Spring is all about alienated Arab youth. And most of societies in the Middle East have found that they get 30, 40 percent of the population are under the age of 25, under the age of 30. If these people can be found jobs, then they are a force of prosperity. If they can't, then they are a force of instability. And alienated Arab youth is turning some ways, going to turn somewhere.

And so al Qaeda realized -- not al Qaeda core, but the al Qaeda movement more generally realized, that in the next two or three years a lot of alienated youth will want to turn somewhere and they are thinking about, actively thinking about, how they can manipulate that and use it.

They won't be able to use it quite in the way that they did in the 1990s, the early-2000s, but they are nothing if not innovative. And the threat will mutate through several more iterations yet. And I think our security services are aware of that. They're trying to keep up with it and anticipate the trends.

ANDERSON: And how will the U.S. be anticipating this, Charles?

ALLEN: Well, I think we'll continue our current strategy. Our strategy is not to simply put up defenses everywhere, which we've done extremely well, but continue to lead an attack offensively on al Qaeda including the affiliated networks working with our allies in a very close attack comprehensively globally. And that's -- it has to be global, it can't be just in one country or the other, it has to be a very comprehensive attack. And we work very closely with our closest allies in conducting these kind of continuing offensive operations.

Al Qaeda must be kept on the back foot.

ANDERSON: Charles, Michael, and Nic, let me just bring your attention to one point I think is important here, or one sort of constituency, as it were, and that is the so-called lone world tactic.

Nic mentioned in his report Mohammed Merah, the self-described al Qaeda follower who admitted shooting dead seven people including kids in France last month. He was killed during a police siege into his apartment in Toulouse.

Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, dubbed the underpants bomber, he was convicted of trying to bring down an airline with a bomb concealed in his underpants.

And Faisal Shahzad, the Pakistani American who pleaded guilty to attempted to detonate a car bomb in Times Square in May 2010. He was sentenced to life in prison.

Nic, lone wolves, how concerned should our viewers tonight -- the security services around the world be of these sort of (inaudible).

ROBERTSON: The lone wolf can be very hard to spot, and that's the concern that they self-radicalize, they do it on the internet, nobody really knows about it. So there's a difficulty in stopping them, but the lone wolf will be relatively limited in what he can do. We know the intelligence services watch for people buying certain chemical products that could possibly make bombs. If the al Qaeda -- new al Qaeda mantra as we understand it to be to go for the Mumbai, the gunmen type attack, all one needs to watch out for, all one needs to be concerned about, is the possibility that this lone wolf could get a weapon and go shoot somewhere up.

It is not going to be the old al Qaeda that was so devastating, but that is a concern. And it's a hard one for the security services.

ANDERSON: And Charles, the lone wolf, the unit that is one man, or one woman, how concerned would security services in your neck of the woods be about that sort of terror as it were?

ALLEN: Well, we remain very concerned. The Bureau works extremely hard with state and local police officials, law enforcement to try to identify people who have become radicalized, but it's really -- it's really going to be very difficult to find these people. We don't know that they're becoming radicalized in many cases.

The point is, it's a very tiny minority of American Muslims, or converts to Islam who conduct this very tiny. Most American Muslims are mainstream, middle class and upper middle class. And for that we are very pleased.

ANDERSON: You make a very good point.

Michael, the last word is yours.

CLARKE: Yeah, the lone wolf problem is a genuine problem, because these people have very low trade craft. They're not well trained, but Al- Awlaki -- Anwar al-Awlaki in Yemen urged people to go out and have a go, just have a go. And if enough people try it, then a few of them will get lucky.

And that's what the security services, certainly in Britain, are facing more than anything else, people who may be trying something individually. They're not very skillful. They leave trails of forensics, but if enough of them try, some will get through, and the psychological impact is very high. And al Qaeda know that they only need a couple of successes to keep the sense of anxiety high, particularly in Britain in 2012 when you've got the Olympics coming up. The Royal Jubilee, all the rest of it.

ANDERSON: Michael Clarke, Charlie Allen, and with me here in the studio tonight, our senior international correspondent, always a pleasure to have you on the show. Nic Robertson here with me in London. A fascinating discussion. Thank you guys for that.

Lots more on this exclusive CNN story online. Head to for a special article in what are revelations. That's Your eyeballs there.

There's a lot more to come still on Connect the World. I'm Becky Anderson. Including tracking down one of the world's most wanted warlord, how U.S. troops are helping in that hunt.

And saving the world one click at a time, we follow a Lebanese photojournalist from Beirut all the way on his bustling holiday to the Arctic.


ANDERSON: Very warm welcome back to our viewers across Europe and around the world. I'm Becky Anderson. This is Connect the World here on CNN.

Now the hunt for one of Africa's most notorious warlords is ramping up. The United States deployed about 100 troops to Central Africa to help regional forces track down the man called Joseph Kony, you will know his name well. No doubt you'll know his name by not just me telling you about it, by this -- by this movie. Tens of millions of people watched the hit YouTube video Kony 2012 about his Lord's Resistance Army.

Well, he's infamous now, of course. Kony wanted by the International Criminal Court for crimes against humanity.

For two decades, the LRA terrorized Central Africa, abducting children to serve as soldiers in a brutal campaign of rape, pillage, and murder.

The LRA began with the aim of overthrowing the Ugandan government, but has since spread to remote areas of the borders of the Central African Republic of South Sudan and the Democratic Republic of Congo. He's seen here for the first time.

CNN's Nima Elbagir is with U.S. special forces helping to track Kony down.


NIMA ELBAGIR, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The lush forests of Central Africa: for decades this impenetrable bush provided cover for Joseph Kony and his Lord's Resistance Army, emerging only to rape, loot, and abduct.

Here in Obo (ph) in the Central African Republic, Madeleine Semachelanio (ph) is considered one of the lucky ones. He was abducted by LRA soldiers as slave labor, but once they'd reach their base camp, she told us they released her into the forest. Miraculously, though exhausted and terrified, she was able to make her way home. Many of those who were taken with her were never found.

Abductions like Madeleine's are all too common here, but some people in the region now see reason for hope. Since last October with the help of a small contingent of U.S. special forces, soldiers from Uganda, the Democratic Republic of Congo, and CAR, the Central African Republic, have pressed a regional man-hunt for the long-time Ugandan warlord who is wanted for alleged war crimes by the International Criminal Court.

To protect his security, we agreed not to identify this special forces captain.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Any time a hunter comes in from the field, someone comes in with information, then we'll all meet together, we'll talk about it, we help our partner nation of forces ask the right questions like the who, the what, the when, the where, and the why to get all the information about the incident and then build a common operating picture so the FACA (ph) and the tracking teams out in the field are able to go out and chase down Kony.

Kony is definitely still a threat. He's been on the run. He's on the decline and in survival mode, but he is still dangerous. And he is going to be dangerous until the LRA are eliminated.

ELBAGIR: And that's what you guys are working towards.


ELBAGIR: It is, however, as many involved with this operation have told us a long road ahead. And even though villagers say they do feel a little safer for now, the attacks continue and will do as long as Kony is still out there.

It is still incredibly insecure here in Obo (ph) in the Central African Republic. Many of the people we've been speaking to tell us that in spite of the presence of these three forces, many of them are still too afraid to sleep in their own beds. They say that they sleep outside in the yard, they hide in some of the undergrowth around their houses because their biggest fear is that the LRA will come for them in the night.

Reclaiming people's lives from that fear, giving them reason to believe there is an end in site, is as much a part of the mission here as capturing Kony.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's working together, it's cooperation, it's organizing so where everyone has the same operating picture and they're able to go after Kony and know that Kony's reign is going to be over soon.

ELBAGIR: CAR has been believed to be Kony's main hiding spot for the last few years. But Ugandan armed forces spokesman tells us they now think he moves between CAR and Sudan. Although there might seem to be unity in the pursuit of the LRA, not all of the regional countries have joined in the chase, and that, the Ugandans believe, is part of the problem.

COL. FELIX KULAYIGYE, UGANDAN ARMED FORCES SPOKESMAN: This strategy has used for the last four years now. When the pressure is too much here, he runs across the border. Of course, you know, we are not allowed to go after him. Now he's (inaudible).

Of course that place is still dry, so food is -- got to come back. Whenever pressure is high, he just crosses to North Sudan. (inaudible) very much, because when we are closing in on the guy he jumps across and yet we have no permission to go after him.

ELBAGIR: A Sudanese government spokesman told CNN Ugandan intelligence on this matter is completely incorrect.

There are now around 100 special forces soldiers stationed across the region with no exit date. The hope is that they will not only help bring the long regional nightmare to an end, but also have an impact in the longer term.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm glad to be here. I think this mission is a very worthwhile one. And it's going to bring stability to a region that has been without stability for a long time. And if we can do anything to help reduce the atrocities to make the locals feel safe then I think it's definitely worthwhile.

ELBAGIR: Nima Elbagir, CNN, Obo, The Central African Republic.


ANDERSON: A look at some of the other stories that we are watching on Connect the World tonight.

And CNN's sister network, CNN IBN reports more than 100 people are dead after a ferry sunk in northern India. Government officials say 35 passengers have been rescued, but around 100 more are missing. The Ferry sank in the Brahmaputra river in the state of Assam during a storm. The prime minister has said he was shocked and grieved by the news. The rescue effort there continues.

In Bahrain, the human rights campaign of Abdulhadi al Khawaja has been granted a retrial. He's serving a life sentence for participating in the anti-government protest last year. He's been on food strike as you may recall for two months. His family members say a retrial would change nothing. Here's CNN's Mohammed Jamjoom with the story.


MOHAMMED JAMJOOM, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Speculation had been mounting the past several days after the state of Abdulhadi al Khawaja's health. On Sunday, Bahrain's information ministry issued a statement denying that al Khawaja had been force fed. The information ministry said that al Khawaja had consented to the insertion of a nasogastric tube for nutrients because his blood sugar had dropped, that was in response to allegations by al Khawaja's family saying that al Khawaja had been force fed and that had not consented to the tube.

Al Khawaja's family maintains on Monday that al Khawaja is continuing his hunger strike. Mohammed Jamjoom, CNN, Abu Dhabi.


ANDERSON: Well, opposition activists say two car bombs have killed at least 20 people and injured around 100 more in the Syrian city of Idlib. Activists say most of the victims were security forces. Now the explosions come as dozens more UN observers are due in the country this week. The head of the mission says they cannot improve the situation while both sides continue to fight. A ceasefire was due to start on April 12. The opposition says 700 people have been killed since then.

Well, German government ministers may boycott the Euro 2012 football tournament over alleged abuses against Ukraine's former prime minister. Yulia Tymoshenko is currently serving a seven year sentence for abuse of office. She began a hunger strike last week in protest over a beating she says she received from prison guards. Now Ukraine is hosting part of this year's Euro 2012 tournament. The European commission head Jose Manuel Barroso has also said he will not attend the Ukraine hosted events.

And it's now officially the tallest building in New York. The number one World Trade Center has steel columns installed that make it taller than the Empire State Building. When it's finished, it'll be over 150 meters high, well certainly higher than its nearest rival, much higher than 150 meters. In fact the building is due for completion next year.

Now next here on Connect the World, you're watching CNN of course, are we looking at the next manager of England's national team? Who is he? And why isn't he the one everybody thought would get the job. That after this.


ANDERSON: Football club from Manchester, England is certain to win the English Premier League. That much we know, but will it go to Man United, or Man City? Those two are battling it out on the pitch as we speak. This is the biggest game in EPL this season. And there's been a lot of good games.

Let's bring in Patrick Snell from CNN Center. The match must be in the dying minutes by now. Where are we Pat?


Absolutely right. It's not quite winner take all, but if Man City do win, they'll draw level on points with United. There's about three or four minutes left in that game plus extra time, of course. There's probably going to be three or four minutes of that.

Let me show you exactly what's going on. It is currently City one up against United. Their skipper, the Belgian Vincent Kompany scoring just before half time with a real power header past David De Gea in the United goal.

It would be a cagey start to the game, Becky. Neither side really overly committing. But city have got that lead and they are protecting it right now. We are very close to the end of the game.

We had a bit of a flashpoint just a few moments ago when the two coaches, Alex Ferguson and Roberto Mancini were going at it hammer and tongues. They had to be separated by officials over a foul on one of the United players. So certainly friction and tension, as you'd imagine, in this high octane Manchester derby. But it's City 1-0 as we speak.

But of course with United, they're never beaten until that final whistle shrills, Becky.

ANDERSON: You're absolutely right. But they were really roundly beaten earlier on in the season by Man City. So for those who are on the Blue side of Manchester tonight, they will be hoping this score survives its 90 minutes.

A surprising turn of events, Patrick, in the search for England's next football manager. We'd heard a whole load of names out there. This one who tops the list apparently now not everybody would have been backing.

SNELL: This is a surprise. Certainly the popular choice over there in the UK if you speak to your fans on the ground there, Harry Redknapp the current Tottenham head coach. But the English FA confirming over the weekend that Roy Hodgson appears to be the man in the frame that he has been contacted, that he has undergone an interview, possibly even a follow- up coming in the next couple of days. We do expect an announcement even later on this week.

But Roy Hodgson, 64 years of age. He's the current head coach of West Bromich Albion. He does have experience, though. I think this is perhaps why the FA are going for him. He's the former head coach of Switzerland, the UAE, Finland as well. He's had spells in Italy with Internationale. And in England, look at that Blackburn Rovers, Fulham, and more recently Liverpool. I have to say the Liverpool job did not do him any favors at all.

But at 64, he appears to be the man for the job. So why is Harry Redknapp missed out? Let's get the thoughts, the speculation of the FA's former executive director David Davies.


DAVID DAVIES, FRM. ENGLAND FA EXECUTIVE: The FA is always open to criticism, because they're effectively in government. Having said that, they have taken a decision. This is the chairman of the FA, David Bernstein very much leading from the front, going with the candidate that he wants. But you know, has a chance been missed with Harry Redknapp? And why has that chance been missed with Harry Rednapp? You know, that's a question for the FA and its chairman to answer.


SNELL: There we go there.

Still 1-0 City in that big game in Manchester.

Becky, join me for World Sport coming your way in about 43 minutes or so from right now -- Becky.

ANDERSON: Good stuff, Patrick. With that at the bottom of the next hour. You are watching Connect the World.

Still here on CNN, about 15 minutes to go. When we come back, we send our fashion photographer on a freezing Arctic adventure in what is this week's fusion journey.


ANDERSON: Well from fighting on the front lines to fashion shows galore, our next guest has documented it all. But now this award winning photographer is off on a new adventure to discover the indigenous Sami people of Sweden.


ROGER MOUKARZEL, PHOTOGRAPHER: My name is Roger Moukarzel. I'm a photographer. I'm based in Beirut.

I always travel with my camera on my hand. A camera for me is more than an object, it's a way to express yourself, it's a way to show the world what you're thinking.

Every one of my cameras can tell you stories about my life. I keep them all. I started photography very early. At 12, I took my first shot. And at 15 I was a professional war photographer. I know that's young, but I was living in Beirut and there was a civil war at that time.

I was very much true (ph) with the shot I was taking. And I was very aware of the surrounding I was living in. And I quickly grew up in my professional life corresponding with the biggest magazines and agencies in the world.

After 14 years, well you can easily go crazy and you lose your sensitivity, I end up my war photography. And I left to Paris to be a fashion photographer.

One, two, jump!

When you look at the portrait picture, when you look at a landscape picture, when you look at any picture you have to see something.

You see, this is a very nice shot.

So what?

You should not only see that, oh wow, this is very artistic and very nice.

Hey, man.

How are you doing? Good?

I cam back to Lebanon, because this is where I get most of my inspiration.

Look there. Very good.

And now I'm starting a new mission which is fighting the global warming.

For that, I will bring pictures of cities or industry.

It's good, no?

Go to virgin places, take the real people living in their environment and put the printed picture behind them so it will be like a barrier between the nature and the real people.

The whole point is to show the contrast between those industrial cities and put them between those real people and the beautiful landscape they have.

For my journey, I'm heading to Sweden. And I'm aiming to shoot the Sami people in the north of Sweden. They live in the Arctic across four Nordic nations. They are fighting every day to preserve their traditions and culture. They namely live from fishing and reindeer herding. Their environment is really crucial for them. And they are aiming to live in harmony with it.

We always learn from anybody in the world who is authentic. You have to go experience something, learning new things from people. And this is where you learn most.


ANDERSON: And on Wednesday, we're going to see how Roger reacts to his Arctic environment as he arrives in northern Sweden to meet the Sami tribe. And a sneak peek of Roger's striking images, visit his website at spanning his remarkable career including his Arctic adventure. Fusion journey here on CNN.

I just want to update you before we go on what is a crucial match in the English Premier League. Manchester United versus Man City. Well, get this, Man City, the Blues, have defeated their Manchester rivals 1-0 in what is as I say a crucial match. Vincent Kompany's goal right before the half proving to be the difference.

Before we go, tonight's parting shot, music fans celebrating the world's first international jazz day. Let me hear from the legendary pianist behind the event.

Jazz artist Herbie Hancock is a musical icon, I don't have to tell you that, with a career spanning over five decades and 14 Grammy Awards to his name. He says jazz is a powerful tool to bringing people together.


HERBIE HANCOCK, PIANIST: Jazz has continually over the past half century or more been a voice of freedom for very -- many different periods of time that are very significant.

It's at this time in my life, I'm interested in doing everything that I can to bring people together, because I really feel that this is exactly what the world really needs at this point.


ANDERSON: It's international jazz day today. That guy speaking to me with a lot more for you tomorrow evening.

You've been watching Connect the World this Monday. The world news headlines are up next. First, though, here's Herbie Hancock to play us out this evening.