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PIERS MORGAN TONIGHT
Interview with Top Obama Man David Axelrod; Interview with Ed Gillespie for Romney Campaign; Bill Bradley on Keeping America Great; Actress Suzanne Somers Talks New Book on Healthy Aging
Aired May 7, 2012 - 21:00 ET
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PIERS MORGAN, CNN HOST: Tonight breaking news on a foiled terror plot against this country. Plus what Joe Bide said about gay marriage and why it may be a big problem for the president. I'll ask Team Obama's top man, David Axelrod, was this a political misstep.
Plus with the candidates neck and neck in a dozen swing states, can Mitt Romney grab the momentum? I'll as his senior adviser, Ed Gillespie.
And a lot has changed since Bill Bradley ran for president.
BILL BRADLEY, FORMER DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And my kind words to the Republican Party tonight is forget it, we're on our way to victory.
MORGAN: Tonight he's here to talk about one of my favorite topics, keeping America great.
And the last time Suzanne Sommers is here, things got a little interesting.
Suzanne Sommers: Feel my lips.
MORGAN: They are quite full.
SOMMERS: Feel my lips.
MORGAN: They feel real.
God knows what will happen tonight but I'm looking forward to it. Suzanne Sommers is back with what she says is the secret to the fountain of youth.
Plus "Only in America," why American Airlines grounded two very, very frequent flyers.
This is PIERS MORGAN TONIGHT.
Good evening. Breaking news tonight. A foiled terror plot to bomb an American airliner. A senior U.S. official says al Qaeda is responsible and the device was intended for us by a suicide bomber. Also that the would-be bomber is, quote, "not a threat anymore."
The bomber was uncovered before any Americans were at risk. Listen to secretary of Defense, Leon Panetta.
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LEON PANETTA, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: What this incident makes clear is that this country has to continue to remain vigilante against those that would seek to attack this country. And we will do everything necessary to keep America safe.
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MORGAN: We begin our big story tonight, the campaigns react to the foiled plot and to hot-button issues from gay marriage to the economy.
So with six months to go until election day, the president's campaign is in full swing. And joining me now is Obama Campaign senior strategist, David Axelrod.
DAVID AXELROD, OBAMA CAMPAIGN SENIOR STRATEGIST: Piers, thank you. Good to be with you.
MORGAN: A big story brewing since the weekend over Joe Biden's comments. I think the best way to tee this up is to replay them and then come to you for your reaction.
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DAVID GREGORY, HOST: And you're comfortable with same-sex marriage now?
JOSEPH BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I -- look, I am vice president of the United States of America. The president sets the policy. I am absolutely comfortable with the fact that men marrying men, women marrying women and heterosexual men and women marrying men, are entitled to the same exact rights, all the civil rights, all the civil liberties. And, quite frankly, I don't see much of a distinction beyond that.
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MORGAN: I suppose the obvious question, David, to you, because you Tweeted almost immediately, and I was actually -- I saw this in real time. You said, "What the vice president said, that all married couples should have exactly the same legal rights, it's precisely POTUS' position."
I mean given the benefit of what -- of hindsight over the last 24 hours, do you still think that everything Joe Biden said is consistent with the president's position?
AXELROD: I feel, Piers, that on the policy that the vice president was describing there, that they are in complete accord. That is the president's policy. He believes that couples, heterosexual couples, gay couples should -- should have -- have the same legal rights. And, of course, that's why we've stopped appealing the DOMA case, because he believes it's unconstitutional for states not to recognize, the government not to recognize marriages that are legally recognized by the states.
So what the vice president was stating there was very much in keeping with that policy.
MORGAN: Right. But, I mean I suppose what people are saying in the gay community is, look, we know the president has been very supportive of us, you know, from "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" to the issue you just mentioned and on various other issues. He's been very proactive and very supportive of gay rights.
But there is an inconsistency between saying, I am supportive of all gay rights and gay equality whilst not saying that you believe in gay marriage, particularly when America now has eight states that have legalized gay marriage. So really, you know, given where we were five years ago, is a fast moving issue, where the tide is now with, increasingly, people who support it.
AXELROD: Well, in fact, the president supported the rights of those states to take that action. He's opposed -- he's opposed ballot measures and other devices to try and roll back those rights when they've cropped up.
By the way, this is a big distinction between him and Governor Romney, who supported the effort financially in California to roll back their law and who wants a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage.
So the president is very much in accord with the rights of those states and the people in those states to do it. And he wants to make sure that if people are legally married in those states, that those marriages are recognized just as marriages between men and women are recognized.
So the whole country is going through -- has gone through an evolution. The president has gone through that as well. I'll let him speak to this himself, but you know, I think where he lies in terms of the rights and liberties is very clear by the actions that he's taken.
MORGAN: I mean I was struck by the fact that Joe Biden is a Roman Catholic, which I think gave his comments even more weight, because a lot of the Catholics feel very -- I'm a Catholic myself. I happen to support gay marriage. But it does fly in the face of a lot of Catholic teaching. And it takes a brave Catholic, in Joe Biden's case, to go public like this against many of his own religion's teachings.
I suppose what people are really saying is the president has been very audacious in many areas, but there are other areas where he hasn't been as audacious as people would like him to be. And this is a classic case where everybody kind of presumes he's going to do this. So why doesn't he just do it now?
AXELROD: Well, again, I'm not going to make news for the president here. The president speaks very well for himself, Piers. But again, I think actions speak louder than words. He's taken historic steps over the last 3 1/2 years to stand up for the rights of gay and lesbian Americans. And to allow them to serve openly and honestly in the military, to -- to grant them those partnership rights in government, to fight this -- to repeal this -- turn back this DOMA law that would have states be able not -- to not recognize legally sanctioned marriages among gay Americans.
So he's -- I think his actions are -- speak more loudly than any words. And, you know, we all -- I -- I'm proud of him for taking those steps. I think they were, you know, some would say, audacious steps in and of themselves. He painstakingly led us on that path. And, you know, I think there isn't a whole lot of confusion about that.
MORGAN: Let's move on to the breaking news today, also, about a CIA uncovering a plot to have a more sophisticated form of suicide bomber device, it was foiled successfully, very successful the CIA. What does it tell you about the on-going battle with al Qaeda, particularly in relation to the president and his speech last week, his trip to Afghanistan, saying, look, we're coming out of here. Al Qaeda is pretty much dismantled and so on.
How big a danger does al Qaeda remain if we're still uncovering plots like this?
AXELROD: Well, Piers, I don't know the -- I know what you know about the details of this particular case. But it underscores what the president has said, which is that we have to remain vigilant. We have -- we have scored tremendous blows against the central leadership of al Qaeda located in Pakistan. There are offshoots, and Yemen is a main one, where there is still al Qaeda activity.
We just saw that a -- one of the high ranking members of al Qaeda's leadership was killed in Yemen just the other day. So this is an ongoing fight, both here at home. We have to be vigilant on homeland security and on threats in other parts of the world. And we've been -- thank God, we've been successful in doing that.
But every day you have to wake up and -- with that same level of vigilance and recognize that the threat still exists.
MORGAN: The Republicans accuse the president of spiking the football with both the trip to Afghanistan on the anniversary and the ad that starred Bill Clinton.
AXELROD: Well, first of all, I hardly think he was spiking the football. And the trip to Afghanistan was necessary. We've got a NATO meeting coming up here in Chicago in a couple of weeks at which Afghanistan is going to be the major issue.
So, you know, I think that's nonsense. And one of the things that strikes me about it is, Piers, knowing politics as I do, had the mission gone badly a year ago, had that mission gone badly, you know, the folks on the other side would have been the first to be raising this early and often. I think Mitt Romney would have been one of the first ones out of the gate. MORGAN: Let's move on to the campaign. It launched officially, really, this weekend. And you've got a whole ad campaign rolling out. And they said you just spent $25 million on ads this month alone. Let's take a little look at the "Go" campaign, a little clip from this, and I'll come to you after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Instead of losing jobs, we're creating them, over 4.2 million so far. We're not there yet. It's still too hard for too many. But we're coming back, because America's greatness comes from a strong middle class, because you don't quit and neither does he.
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MORGAN: I mean it's an interesting premise, I guess, which is, look, we haven't solved anything, but we are -- we're beginning to get there. Is that the kind of theme that you'll be looking to press for the campaign?
AXELROD: Well, the -- look, there's no question that we are coming back from the most -- the most vicious, the deepest recession since the Great Depression. In the six months before the president took office, we lost four million jobs. We lost 800,000 the month that he took office. Now we've had 26 months of private sector job growth, 4.2 million new jobs.
But the whole was quite deep, that was dug. And we have to keep being vigilant. There are a lot of headwinds yet. We see what's going on in Europe. There are steps that Congress can take that the president wants them to take, to put teachers back in the classroom, to get our service transportation bill passed so we can unleash that activity all over the country, to help people refinance their loans at lower interest rates, even if their homes are underwater.
There are lots of things we can do to get this economy moving even faster, with a little bit of cooperation.
MORGAN: Well, David, unfortunately, I have to move forward, as well, to speak to your --
MORGAN: Your rival. Ed Gillespie who's now come in to help run the Mitt Romney campaign. But thank you for now, David Axelrod.
When we come back, more on our big story, I want to get to the Romney take on gay marriage and on charges that President Obama has been spiking the football on Osama bin Laden. I'll talk to his adviser, Ed Gillespie.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) BIDEN: My measure, David, and I take a look at when things really began to change, is when the social culture changes. I think "Will & Grace" probably did more to educate the American public than almost anything anybody has ever done so far.
And I think that people fear that which is different. Now they're beginning to understand. They're beginning to understand that this has a base.
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MORGAN: More from Vice President Joe Biden on NBC's "Meet the Press. I want to get reaction now from the Romney campaign and Mitt Romney's senior adviser, Ed Gillespie.
Ed Gillespie, welcome.
ED GILLESPIE, SENIOR ADVISER, MITT ROMNEY CAMPAIGN: Thank you, Piers, for having me.
MORGAN: Nice to see a rare moment there of camaraderie between the two warring factions.
GILLESPIE: Well, David and I spend quite a bit of time together on these shows, so, you know, we don't agree on much, but we have respect for one another.
MORGAN: What do you think of the whole Joe Biden incident over the weekend? And I say incident, because it seems to have sparked a huge debate, even though the Democrats are trying very hard to say there was nothing new about it. What did you make of it?
GILLESPIE: Well, I made of it that Vice President Biden, you know, had a policy break from the president. He kind of prefaced it by saying, now, I'm the vice president, I don't set the policy, the president does, but seemed to then go on and disagree with the president and the fact is, you know, this is not an area of disagreement. One of the few areas that we don't disagree in this campaign between Governor Romney and President Obama, which is that we should not change the -- you know, the nature of marriage in this country from being between one man, but clearly the president has some descent within his own White House.
MORGAN: I mean what is changing, though, is public opinion. You can't argue with the fact that eight states now have legalized gay marriage and that will certainly increase over the next year or two.
Do you not feel that you may be on the wrong end of where this all ends up? Is it not better to be a bit more progressive, especially now your man has won the nomination, or effectively won it?
GILLESPIE: Well, you know, people's beliefs are their beliefs, Piers. And most Americans still believe that marriage should remain between one man and one woman. There is a debate playing out in our country. That's the nature of our -- of our process.
But like I say, it is not a debate between President Obama and Governor Romney. They actually have the same position and the same policy when it comes to government sanction of same-sex marriage.
MORGAN: Let's move on to the economy. David Axelrod was fairly bullish there. And you can see from their campaign ad, their strategy is going to be, look, although it hasn't been perfect, it may not even have been brilliant, it hasn't been bad and we are slowly getting America back on track after eight years of ruinous Republican administration.
GILLESPIE: Piers, it was interesting to me that ad, not so much for what it said, but what it didn't say. There was no mention of President Obama's health care bill, which has stifled job creation in our economy, as -- resulting in millions of Americans losing the insurance they had, despite being promised that that would not happen.
There was no mention of the stimulus bill, which was promised to hold unemployment below 8 percent, which has now been above 8 percent for 39 straight months. You know, they talked about incomes and in -- or at least David did, anyway. The fact is that median incomes for American families have fallen by $4,300 since President Obama took office.
Twenty-three million Americans are either out of work or underemployed, not working as full hours as they would like or have completely disappeared from our labor force. That's why the unemployment rate went down. For every job that was created last month, three people left the workforce. That's not the right way to bring down the unemployment rate. Housing values are falling and remain low. That's where most Americans feel their -- their, you know, sense of wealth. So this administration and this president's policies have been a disappointment.
MORGAN: I mean is it really going to be a sustainable argument to say to the American people, come November, look, you are worse off than you were before Barack Obama came to power? Because by any conventional, dispassionate yardstick, that isn't right, is it? I mean you're not worse off, you're just not as better off as you probably could have been, seems to be what Mitt Romney is trying to persuade people of.
It's not sustainable to say you're worse off, is it?
GILLESPIE: Well, Piers, the numbers I just cited, you know, are accurate. And I think for those 23 million Americans who are unemployed or underemployed or have left the workforce entirely, they're not better off. Or those people who have seen their -- as an, on average, their family income decline by $4,300 since President Obama took office, they're not better off.
For people whose home values are -- or if they still are in their home, as opposed to being foreclosed, because we've had a record number of those. The record number of Americans living in -- below the poverty level today, they are not better off. ORGAN: Given all the furory (ph) over the anniversary of bin Laden's death, and you heard what David Axelrod said about the spiking the football issue, tell me this, if it had been a disaster, if bin Laden had not been killed or captured and Navy SEALs had lost their lives and so on, would you guys have launched a campaign using that against the president?
GILLESPIE: You know, this speculation from Democrats as to, you know, what would have happened if things went wrong and Governor Romney wouldn't have made the same decision, you know, it's -- why don't we talk about the facts. The facts are that President Obama made the right decision to go after Osama bin Laden. Governor Romney applauded him for that at the time, as well as our intelligence community and the brave SEALs who actually completed the mission.
This is a, you know, a moment that brought Americans together. We are all very proud of the success there. And to take that and make it a divisive issue and to try to politicize it, I think, has been a mistake. The fact is, I think President Obama, on the first anniversary of the -- of the killing of Osama bin Laden, would rightly have gotten credit for it if they hadn't overreached.
And it was a mistake out of Chicago. It was a mistake by the Obama campaign. I suspect they may regret it because, you know, the fact is, if they had just noted the occasion as a source of pride for all Americans, they probably would have been better off than where they are today.
MORGAN: Is there any information for me about the VP pick? I see Chris Christie saying that he, through friends, he may -- he may be convinced. I mean you're the man in the know. Which way are you guys heading?
GILLESPIE: Well, you know, the fact is, this is a lengthy process. It's a very serious process. And I think it's a process best conducted, you know, discreetly and giving Governor Romney the opportunity for him to weigh this very important decision. And as much as I love CNN and your program, probably not the best place to, you know, to talk about potential VP nominees or -- or how that process is progressing.
MORGAN: Well, when you are in ready, I'm available, Ed, is all I can say that.
GILLESPIE: A standing invite. Appreciate that.
MORGAN: Thanks very much, Ed Gillespie.
GILLESPIE: Thanks for having me, Piers.
MORGAN: Up next, basketball star, senator, former presidential candidate, Bill Bradley on keeping America great and why he says we can all do better.
MORGAN: Mitt Romney has been getting advice from all sides last night that incurred some trash talking from former NBA star, Charles Barkley. Listen to what he said during the Boston Celtics and Atlanta Hawks playoff game on our sister network TNT.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mitt Romney. Yes, he's at the game in Boston tonight.
CHARLES BARKLEY, FORMER NBA STAR: Listen, man, we're going to beat you like a drum in November. Don't take it personally. I don't like -- you seem like a nice guy. But you going down, bro.
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MORGAN: Joining me now is another basketball star, knows a thing or two about politics, Bill Bradley is a former senator and presidential candidate, and the host of "American Voices" on Sirius XM. His new book is called, "We Can All Do Better." And Bill Bradley is here to talk about one o my favorite topics, keeping American great.
Bill Bradley, welcome.
BRADLEY: Good to be with you, Piers.
MORGAN: What did you make of Charles Barkley there trashing it out against Mitt Romney? We're going to beat you like a drum. Did you go along with that?
BRADLEY: Sounded like a lot of people I knew on the court.
MORGAN: Of course, what it did do, ironically, is lead us perfectly to your -- the central premise of your book which is in all this kind of partisan trash talking can lead to the intransigent we've seen in Washington in the last couple of years where it seems to any impartial observer very little actually gets done as they all trash each other. Tell me about that.
BRADLEY: Well, Piers, one of the reasons I wrote this book was that I wanted to give people hope. And I want to remind them that we've had difficult times in the past, depressions, wars. We've had problems but we've overcome those problems. And I wanted to also remind them at the core the American people are good. They're good people. And that we have political institutions that are flexible enough for us to address our problems. What we need are politicians who put country ahead of party and tell people the truth.
MORGAN: You see, I think what a lot of Americans are thinking right now, and this is not to, you know, take a side or any side, really. I think like al you would stay in their houses for behavior. But there's no doubt as we head towards the election, you can see an almost paralysis against anything Barack Obama wants to do from the Republicans. Because they know it's not in their interests for him to pass anything that's going to be effective.
BRADLEY: Yes. There's no question about that. Partisanship is at an all time high. I would like to see this presidential election about the future, not a blame fest about the past. I think it's important that we hear what each candidate is going to do about the deficits, our role in the world, what is our role in the world, about what's going to happen with the middle class. The big issues.
And I believe that we have a structural set of problems in this country today that relate to our political system. One is the partisanship which is really created by the way we draw congressional district lines in this country. There are only about 50 seats in the U.S. Congress that are competitive. A lot of the seats are 60/40 which means people don't have to compete to get elected. They have to worry about threats in primaries from their extremes on the right or left.
And they can't come to the middle to compromise to do the things that American people want them to do in terms of jobs and economic growth.
I think that the second problem is the role of money in our politics today. It is a deep poison in the system. For example, in 2009, 2010, in those two years the financial industry in this country contributed $318 million to politicians in Washington. The health care industry contributed $145 million. And the energy industry contributed $75 million.
So it shouldn't be a surprise that the financial reform bill was watered down, that the health care bill did not have a public option to private insurance, and that we didn't even get an energy bill. So we had these structural problems that have to be addressed if we're going to be able to deal with the big issues that confront us such as the plight of the middle class, what's happened in the deficits, the wars that we fight unnecessarily abroad, and generally people's lack of faith in the process.
MORGAN: Don't we also need to see really strong leadership? I look at Barack Obama, who was very anti-super PACs and promised a whole new way. And of course now, as we head towards the election, he's diving straight into the super PAC world. And his super PACs will be just as aggressive and well-funded, probably, as Mitt Romney's.
Wouldn't the better thing really for the long-term benefit of the American political system of being for Barack Obama to have stuck to his guns and said no, I'm not going to do this? Vote for me, not my money.
BRADLEY: You know, I think that you find in political campaigns you decide you're going to arm as the other side is armed and compete. I think in 2008, on that election night in Chicago, I think we made a mistake to believe that a leader could renew the country all by himself, even somebody who touched our hearts as deeply as Barack Obama.
I mean, it takes not just a leader saying this is the direction we need to go. But it takes sergeants and lieutenants who are in the trenches doing the battles. And it takes citizens.
I mean, you take direction change in this country --
MORGAN: Doesn't it also -- if I could jump in there. Isn't the essential ingredient to leadership courage. There was a classic example today of where I think Barack Obama's fudged it really and hasn't shown courage. That's over this whole issue of gay marriage. I suspect that privately he can't wait to approve it. But for political reasons, he's probably waiting now until the election, hoping he gets a second term. Then I'll bet one of the first things he does is says he supports gay marriage.
That's not moral courage to do that.
BRADLEY: I have no idea what their strategies are. They're in a political campaign. The way you throw courage is when you take on the interests that are destroying our chances to help the middle class. And that is money. I say Barack Obama had a chance to do public financing of elections when he came in. He chose not to do that because the polls probably said that other things were important like jobs, et cetera.
But if you deal with the money, you can then do other things very easily. I want to get back to the point about citizen movements in this country. If you take any major change, it took abolitionists -- it started with one abolitionist to say slavery's evil, we have to end it. Suffragists who said that we were going to have women have the right to vote. Civil rights workers who said that we need to perfect what the Constitution promised African-Americans, or environmentalists who said we've got to have clean air and clean water.
Those aren't out of the minds of a president or out of the minds of a Congressman or a senator. That came from the people. And we have to remember that democracy is not a vicarious experience, that we need to have people who are committed to directions in this country and are willing to put themselves on the line. Then we can get real change in this country.
MORGAN: Bill Bradley, it's a fascinating book, "We Could All Do Better." I don't think anyone could disagree with that right now, particularly in American politics. I wish you ever success with it. Thanks for joining me.
BRADLEY: Thanks, Piers.
MORGAN: When we come back, my interview with Suzanne Somers and her secret for staying forever young. Apparently it involves lashings of good sex. So this should be quite a good segment.
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MORGAN: You're 20 years older than me.
SUZANNE SOMERS, ACTRESS: I am. I could be your mother.
MORGAN: There are people watching thinking I'm your dad. SOMERS: Actually, my son is your age.
MORGAN: Is he really?
SOMERS: Yes, that's right.
MORGAN: How does that make you feel?
SOMERS: I don't feel that much different in age from him.
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MORGAN: You know Suzanne Somers as the sexy star of "Threes Company." Even in her 60s, she has managed stay readily sexy and looking extraordinarily young. Her new book is "Bombshell, Explosive Medical Secrets that will Redefine Aging." Suzanne Somers joins me now.
Suzanne, welcome back.
SOMERS: Hi, nice to see you again. I wish I was there in person.
MORGAN: Now I -- So do I. I want to shock all my viewers in the next five seconds by asking you to reveal your age.
SOMERS: Well, I turn 65 this year.
MORGAN: See, I know you shouldn't normally ask a woman that.
SOMERS: It's OK.
MORGAN: In your case, it's the best advert for your book I can possibly imagine. You look about 35.
SOMERS: Actually, I had my biological age tested at the Shomp (ph) Center in Korea a year and a half ago. And it actually came up 34. So all these vitamins I'm taking probably are working. When I --
SOMERS: When I was a kid, when you were 65, you either retired or died. And on my birthday this year, I thought I am so nowhere near either of those scenarios. So I'm enjoying this age a lot.
MORGAN: Now, tell me about the secrets of the fountain of youth. It's a fascinating book. It has all sorts of things and tricks and stuff you can use to try and stay young. What are the overriding big picture things you should be thinking about?
SOMERS: What I ask my readers to look at is what is your end point? What do you see yourself looking like at the end of your life? Are you standing up straight? Are you sick? Do you have one of the big three diseases? Because right now when I look at the present paradigm of aging, it's not a pleasant thought. We all kind of don't want to really think about that. In this country, people end up in nursing homes. They have either cancer, Alzheimer's or heart disease or all three. They're all pilled up.
So what I ask is, if you don't want that, what are you doing about it? If you do the same thing that they were doing, that's how you'll end up. So it's a recipe for aging well. And it requires -- you know, I replace hormones.
And there's a new hormone that I've come across since I saw you last. I interviewed Dr. Prudence Hall. She was telling me about how women are nursing. They make this hormone called Oxytocin. It makes them feel all warm and loving and patient and relaxed.
SOMERS: But she found that women and men are starting to lose their sex drives much earlier than they used to, and -- because of stress and toxicity and normal aging. So when she adds to the hormone cocktail Oxytocin -- here we go. We're going to talk about this again. Women have better, stronger orgasms, and men have better, stronger erections.
So that's nice. It's not a drug. It's something your body once made, or maybe if you never gave birth, you never made it. But it's a hormone that men are responding to also, that have no side effects.
MORGAN: You see, the main theme, Suzanne, I can detect from this book is that if you have lashings of sex, then age is an irrelevance. You will basically live to be about 3,000 years old and be a magnificent stallion-like even at the end.
SOMERS: And you don't have to reproduce after a certain time. So it's all kind of great. A healthy person is a sexual person. If you're not healthy, you don't feel like having sex. So I talk about sex really to kind of stir things up, but I'm into real health.
I think in this country right now, we practice disease care. We are not practicing health care. Meaning we wait until the catastrophic event. We wait until something terrible happens, cancer or some other terrible condition. And then we climb up stream.
There's a doctor in this book I had -- he was my dinner partner a couple years ago. His name is Dr. Abraham Morgantoller (ph). He's on the faculty of Harvard. I stayed in touch with him because I like him. He called me earlier this year and he said, I think I have something that you'd very interested in. I said, what.
He said we just completed a small but very important study here at Harvard. When we give men -- this is new -- with active prostate cancer testosterone, their cancer regresses. And I said that goes against contrary thinking. Everybody thinks that you get cancer from testosterone. He said, well, I went into the bowels of the library at Harvard and looked up where did this notion begin, with a Dr. Charles Huggins (ph) in 1941. It was based on a flawed study that -- by a test that was erratic. It ended up being about one man taking an erratic test. Because of that, he deduced and won the Noble Prize for saying that men with high testosterone get cancer. So therefore, that's when they started castrating men. Ouch.
What he said was, through their studies, they found that men with the highest testosterone live longer than men with low testosterone.
MORGAN: I hate to stop you mid-testosterone fuel. But we have to take a break there. When we come back -- it's all fascinating, this. When we come back, I want to talk to you, because the last time you were here with me, you were talking about your hope you could use stem cells to replace the breasts you lost to cancer. You've now had that procedure. I want to know after the break how it went.
SOMERS: Really good.
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SOMERS: It's been over 30 years since Joyce and I have seen each other, so I have to admit I'm a little nervous. But let's do it. Joyce, come on out. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Hi.
JOYCE DEWITT, ACTRESS: I agree. I know. I know.
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SOMERS: Suzanne Somers with former "Threes Company" costar Joyce Dewitt, reunited on "Cafe Moms," breaking Through after a 30 year feud. Suzanne is back with me now. That took a long time to resolve, didn't it?
SOMERS: I know. That's my Internet talk show. Did you ever see "Threes Company" or were you over in England?
MORGAN: I could lie. But no, I didn't.
SOMERS: We stole it from you over there.
MORGAN: -- fascinated by somebody bursting with vitality like you and energy and positive thoughts could actually have a 30 years feud?
SOMERS: You know, such a long story. But I --
MORGAN: What's the short version?
SOMERS: I was fired for asking to be paid commensurate with the men. I had the highest demographics of any woman in television. So my contract was up and I went in and I said, why are the men making ten times more than me. To make an example, they fired me so that no woman would have the audacity. I feel today that the reason that women are getting parity in television in particular probably has a lot to do with the revenue they lost when they changed the chemistry on that show. So anyway, I hadn't talked to her because I felt that she should have backed me up.
When I started this Internet talk show, I thought this is so dumb. It's so dumb to have this dumb feud. I'm all grown up now and I'm kind of liking my woman thing. I feel really good that we ended that feud. So it's over.
MORGAN: Good. Well, I'm very pleased for you.
MORGAN: For whatever you're talking about, I'm very happy it's all over. No, I'm kidding. Let's move to this ground breaking operation you had. Quite amazing. I remember you sitting with me and saying, look, you lost a breast to cancer. And you were going to have this very revolutionary new thing, which was stem cell replacement effectively. And you had it.
I want to show viewers a clip. It's a bit graphic, I'll warn them now. But it is incredible. Let's watch a bit of this.
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SOMERS: This is hard to watch, but I had no breast there. What you see right now is to me such a medical advancement to take a breast that has been completely lost to cancer, and they're going to make a full, beautiful breast out of this. This is when I am seeing it for the first time.
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MORGAN: Quite amazing. It would be totally inappropriate for me to ask you to show me the proof of this. But I'm told that it's an almost perfect replacement, no scars, no foreign object, no implants, no fillers.
MORGAN: You were the first person in America to have this. It's FDA approved. What is your verdict? It sounds pretty incredible.
SOMERS: It's so awesome. The only thing I was offered when I was originally -- had the surgery was implants. And I said, what, you're going to take my good one too? They said, well, you have to have two for symmetry, or something called a tram flap, which is where they cut you from hip to hip and take the muscle and a blood vessel and move it up and kind of make a breast that has no feeling.
So I said, sew me up, something better will come. I heard about this Dr. Kotaro Yoshomura (ph) in Japan who had successfully regrown the breasts of over 400 Japanese women who had lost their breasts to cancer. So I tracked him down. I brought him over here. I hooked him up with a surgeon in the Los Angeles area. We applied for an IRB. It took three years and it finally came through in August. I said, let's go before anybody changes their mind. They took the fat from my stomach, boo-hoo -- and this is in lay speak -- in a sophisticated technology like a centrifuge, whipped it around at super sonic speed, and extracted my stem cells, seperated them, cleaned them, discarded the weak ones, took the strong stem cells in a small amount of that fat, made it rich with my stem cells, and then again, for a lack of a better term, took a turkey baster and injected it into this breast.
And poof, wow. So what I felt over the last few months is like electrical zippers in my breast. And that's sort of like -- what it is is the blood vessels and the nerves growing. To me, the ramifications of what this can mean for the future uses of stem cells -- I think of our enlisted people, and we're not that far away from being able to regrow limbs. I hope this just opens the door a little bit.
MORGAN: I was just thinking that very same thing, that if you're an amputee who's returned from Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, and you're thinking about the rest of your life, and you're watching this interview, you're thinking, can this apply to my leg, to my arm? The implications of what you've been through and the apparent success of it are really extraordinary.
SOMERS: It is -- I don't really mean to be flippant about it. Whenever I get undressed, I catch a glimpse myself and it's, frankly, thrilling to be whole again and to have no foreign object in me. There are so many -- that's what "Bombshell's" about. There are so many incredible things happening.
I interviewed a futurist, Ray Cursewhile (ph), out of MIT. And he told me about nanobots, that in the next 13 to 15 years, that we're going to inject little blood cell sized robots into us that will roam through our bodies like little detectives. If it sees arterial plaque, it will vaporize it. If it sees the eyelit (ph) cells turned on and that person has diabetes, it will turn it off. If it sees the cancer protective genetic switches turned off, it will turn it back on, virtually eliminating the diseases that are killing us today.
I said to him, wow, that's so great. He said, you can't limp into it. You have to get there healthy. To me, that's the incentive for why to take the vitamins and why to eat organic, and why to clean out your house out of toxins, and why to force yourself to learn how to sleep seven hours a night and to manage your stress.
So it's a cocktail for aging well, because the payoff is out there. Thirteen years is just not so far off.
MORGAN: Amazing. Thinking about you, Suzanne, is you always come up with these subject matters for books in which you are living proof that it appears to work. I'm looking at you now. You look younger than the last time I interviewed you. So congratulations on the book, "Bombshell, Explosive Medical Secrets that Will Redefine Aging." Congratulations on the operation. I'll see you in a year where, doubtless, I will have aged five years and you will look about 20. See you then.
SOMERS: Stick with me. Thanks.
MORGAN: Suzanne Somers, a walking miracle.
Coming up, Only in America, the men who flew too much, and why American Airlines grounded them.
MORGAN: Tonight's Only in America is a story of some very, very frequent flyers and what happened when they ran afoul with American Airlines. Steven Rothstein (ph) and Jack Vroom (ph) -- yes, that is apparently his real name, Vroom -- each bought tickets years ago from American that gave them unlimited -- let me repeat that word -- unlimited first class travel for life. They paid handsomely for those tickets, more than 350,000 dollars each for an unlimited -- that word again -- air piece and companion ticket.
Boy did they fly. Mr. Vroom flew well over 37 million miles. That is roughly equivalent to 75 trips to the Moon and back. Mr. Rosti racked up a very respectable 30 million plus, in one month flying to Nova Scotia, New York, Miami, London, Los Angeles, Maine, Denver and Ft. Lauderdale. He was just a beginner.
"The L.A. Times" reports that a guy named Mike Joyce (ph) flew round trip to London from Los Angeles 16 times in 25 days. Now, one trip kills me.
You'd imagine for this incredible devotion to air travel, they'd be treated like royalty. Something like what happened to George Clooney in this scene from 2009's "Up in the Air," when he reached the rarified, magical 10 million miles mark.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Our pilot has just informed me that we're passing over the city of Dubuque, which might not mean much to most of you, but means a lot to one of our fliers today, because he just hit 10 million miles.
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MORGAN: Not so much though. In fact, when American Airlines realized just how much these passes were costing them, by the airline's calculation more than a million dollars a year, they pulled the plug, accusing the men of cheating. Several suits and counter suits later, Both Mr. Rosti and Mr. Vroom are still grounded for having the indecency of taking the word unlimited seriously.
American says incidents are, quote, very isolated. Of course they are. I wouldn't presume to argue the legalities in these cases. But what I would say is that if you're an airline named American, wouldn't you know that to dream big is the American way,? And what bigger way to dream, if you like air travel, than flying 67 million miles.
So Mr. Rothstein and Mr. Vroom, I salute you tonight. In fact, I raise my tray table in your honor.
That's all for us tonight. "AC360" starts now.