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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

George Zimmerman Ordered Back to Jail

Aired June 1, 2012 - 19:00   ET

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you from New York City.

Breaking news in the Trayvon Martin shooting case. Accused killer George Zimmerman ordered back to jail, the judge revoking his bond for lying to the court.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, breaking news in the George Zimmerman case. Trayvon Martin`s shooter ordered back to jail after the prosecutor accused him of lying at his bond hearing. The judge furious as he revoked George Zimmerman`s bond. We`re going to talk to the lawyer for Trayvon`s family.

Also, growing questions about a disturbing series of crimes that have one very hideous things in common. Cops say a porn star dismembered and consumed a human body and caught it on video. Another man accused of doing the same thing to his roommate. A third attempting to devour the face of a homeless man. What is behind this? We`re going to examine the psychological roots.

Also, the mother of adorable missing Kyron Horman suing mad tonight. Desiree Young`s little boy vanished almost two years ago after his stepmom, Terri Horman, dropped him off at school. And now Desiree wants to hold Terri responsible. Will this spark any new clues in the search for Kyron?

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, SHOOTING SUSPECT: Hey, we`ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there`s a real suspicious guy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He just said he shot him. The person is dead, laying on the ground!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Sanford Police Department is conducting a fair investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There was gunshots.

SYBRINA FULTON, MOTHER OF TRAYVON: Our son was not committing any crime!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No justice! No peace!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No justice! No peace!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No justice! No peace!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you following him?

ZIMMERMAN: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, we don`t need you to do that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Zimmerman has made the statement of self- defense.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But Neighborhood Watch is Neighborhood Watch, not neighborhood shoot.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One million dollars for the capture of George Zimmerman.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: You know, if I had a son, he`d look like Trayvon.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you think he`s yelling "help"?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: George, what`s your last name?

ZIMMERMAN: Zimmerman.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, breaking news in George Zimmerman`s murder case. The man accused of gunning down an unarmed teen has been ordered back to jail. A judge in Florida revoked Zimmerman`s bond today for lying about his passport and how much money he had.

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KENNETH LESTER, JUDGE: He can`t sit back and obtain the benefits of a lower bond or circumstances based upon those material falsehoods. That`s what they were. So at this time I revoke him bond, place him on no-bond status.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: The Neighborhood Watch volunteer is charged with second-degree murder in the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

The teen was walking home from a convenience store the evening of February 26 when the defendant shot him, shot him dead. Zimmerman claims he fired in self-defense. The prosecutor says Zimmerman misrepresented how much money he had when his bond was first granted back in April. That`s a fancy way of saying he lied. Zimmerman claimed indigence, that he was broke. And that played a part in him getting to walk out of jail.

But the state now says Zimmerman had access to at least 135 grand he got from a Web site where he was asking for donations to help pay for his defense. Prosecutors say Zimmerman can be heard in jail phone calls talking in code, telling his wife, essentially, to move the money around.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The defendant`s wife lied to this court when -- and I`ve cited in the motion -- both Mr. O`Mara and the state asked her questions, she stated she had no money when, in fact, the records show that she did.

We have the jail calls the defendant made to his wife and to other people -- and I`ll focus specifically on his wife, Shelly Zimmerman -- in which he repeatedly tells her about the money, about moving the money, and transferring it from one position to the other.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow! Those phone calls are going to become a crucial part of this entire case.

Straight out to Natalie Jackson, the attorney for the Trayvon Martin family. Your reaction to this extraordinary development of the judge saying, "You lied. You go back to jail."

NATALIE JACKSON, ATTORNEY FOR TRAYVON MARTIN`S FAMILY: I will tell you, we`ve said all along this case is about the American justice system and whether or not it works equally and fairly for all.

What the judge did today was very important to this case. The judge said that he was going to follow the law, and he was going to make everyone else follow the law. And it testified truthfully about what they know, and he was not going to allow any shenanigans in his courtroom.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me say, Mark Nejame, HLN contributor, criminal defense attorney, what I saw, just from a chess game strategy was, wow, this is war.

Now, you remember during that bond hearing it seemed like the defense attorney, Mark O`Mara, had really scored points against the prosecution, even embarrassed the prosecutors. He sort of held a mini trial, called up an investigator, started cross-examining him. The gentleman didn`t have all the answers, hadn`t seen a medical report. And everybody was kind of snickering, saying, "Wow. Mark O`Mara, Zimmerman`s attorney, just absolutely devastated them."

Well, today it was payback, because this was a big day for the prosecution, Mark.

MARK NEJAME, HLN LEGAL ANALYST: Yes, credit where credit`s due.

Look, if he lied, bail should be denied. There`s no question about it.

I was a little surprised in that I thought that the judge would require a hearing in order for a determination to be made as to whether there was a misrepresentation. The judge has done it in reverse of what I thought. He basically yanked the bond and said, "I`ll give you a second bite of the apple. But if you want another evidentiary hearing later on, I`ll give it to you."

But apparently, the state was able to get the tapes of -- when you`re in jail, all your calls are recorded. And they had it all lined up, and they were able to establish, at least to the court`s satisfaction, that there was money there. And if there was money there, and it was a misrepresentation, judge did the right thing.

I just simply wanted there to be an evidentiary hearing so we could really find out what happened. But apparently -- and I`ve not seen it -- but if those transcripts are as the judge indicated -- of course, we have no reason to doubt otherwise. I mean, if the judge stated it, I know it to be correct. Then there`s big trouble. Not only for yanking the bond but also for the credibility down the line.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, exactly. How dumb is this?

Joe Episcopo, criminal defense attorney, I mean, in a self-defense case where the victim is not around anymore, because he`s tragically died, the shooter`s most important defense is his own word, his credibility, when he claims, "I did it in self-defense."

And now his credibility, according to a lot of observers, is shot because he`s been shown up by prosecutors to be a liar and also kind of a conniver, allegedly, purportedly speaking in code with his wife, caught on this recording.

JOE EPISCOPO, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, especially as it relates to...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK, Joe.

EPISCOPO: And you know, I know Judge Lester. He`s a very fair and even-tempered judge. Even though he did throw me out of his courtroom one time.

Now they`ll have to appeal his decision and prove an abuse of discretion, which they won`t be able to do, and he`ll sit there until his trial comes. So I don`t think he`s in good shape at this particular point.

And, you know, I thought it was pretty obvious that they were making a lot of money on the Internet. They should have said something. "Judge, we`re hoping to make a lot of money to help with this case on the Internet. So far we`ve made such-and-such." Why didn`t they do that? It sounds like they were trying to cover it up.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And I`ve got to tell you, I talked to Mark O`Mara after that bond hearing. And I said, listen, when it came out that they had made all of this money on the Web site, I said, "Didn`t you ask your client about that?"

And he acknowledged. He said, you know, "I should have -- I should have been a little more thorough."

But, I mean, I think in this day and age where everything comes out, Natalie Jackson, were you, as the attorney -- an attorney for Trayvon Martin`s family, astounded that these kinds of purported hijinks were being played with the court on such a high-profile case? Does anybody really think they`re going to be able to hide a couple of hundred grand?

JACKSON: Well, you know, we`ve always known that George Zimmerman`s credibility is what is going to do him in at the end. That this whole case is based on whether or not he`s credible, whether or not there is a self- defense claim.

He`s the only person that say that he acted in self-defense. So his credibility is the key to this case. So what we were, we were actually -- our faith was restored a little bit that the law was going to be followed. We`ve always believed, if the law is followed, then there will be a conviction in this case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Want to go out to the phone lines, because they`re lighting up over this. Lori, Tennessee, your question or thought -- Lori.

CALLER: Hi, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hi.

CALLER: I just, you know -- just listening to all of these things that are going on with this case, and I thought from the beginning, if Zimmerman would have just taken responsibility for what happened, I think he knew it wasn`t self-defense. But he had to come up with something. And he knew law enforcement well enough.

But I also think that the police officers dropped the ball a little bit, too, because they just took his word for it. And now...

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These witnesses are scared to death to comply in terms of their names, their intimate details, where they live, their relatives, their phone numbers, et cetera, being publicized, where they work. And our fear is that`s what`s going to occur.

And in the long run, it`s going to do a disservice to this particular case, and it`s going to severely impact the ability to try this case in this county, maybe even the state of Florida.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, that`s the prosecutor saying, "Hey, Judge, please don`t give out to the media the names of the witnesses and the photo of the victim, texts, cell phone records."

But, of course, Florida has the biggest, most open sunshine laws, and essentially the judge said, "Look, the law is against us. The law in Florida is different than any other place in the country."

But that got overshadowed by the bombshell developments toward the end of the hearing when the judge hears the prosecution`s motion to throw this guy, George Zimmerman, back in the clink and agrees. In fact, the judge is furious.

Sunny Hostin, "In Session" legal contributor, play it down. Tell us in people terms what the heck happened.

SUNNY HOSTIN, LEGAL CONTRIBUTOR, TRUTV`S "IN SESSION": Well, what happened is that the government, of course, filed a motion to revoke George Zimmerman`s bond on two grounds, because they have been doing their work, their investigation. And they found out that George Zimmerman and Shelly Zimmerman had been having these jailhouse phone calls. And, as you know, Jane, and as I know and probably most of your viewers know, those calls are always monitored and taped.

Well, for the first round, they found out that George Zimmerman, while he did relinquish one passport, apparently, he had a second passport that he had applied for, claiming that the first passport had been lost. And the second passport that he maintains that he kept didn`t expire until 2014.

But, really, Jane, what the court, what Judge Lester was most concerned about was the second ground that the government moved on, and that is they found out during these phone calls between George and Shelly Zimmerman that, in fact, the day before this bond hearing, the hearing at which Shelly Zimmerman took an oath to tell the truth, yet told the court that she had no money, no funds that she knew of to come up with enough money to bond George Zimmerman out. In fact, they had $135,000 in a credit union account that she controlled at the direction of George Zimmerman.

Well, Jane, you know judges do not like to be lied to. They don`t like misrepresentations. And once he heard about that, this judge yanked his bond, ordered him back to jail within 48 hours.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mark Nejame, HLN contributor, criminal defense attorney out of Orlando, if George Zimmerman ultimately takes the stand in his own defense at his trial, will he be cross-examined about these alleged misrepresentations, this lying purportedly about passport, about money?

NEJAME: You hit the nail on the head. That`s going to be the issue about admissibility. And he did not specifically say that at his bond hearing, but apparently allowed his wife to make statements which the judge has interpreted as being untrue. So to specifically attach a statement, you really can`t do that.

However, if they can show that he possibly allowed lies to come in, it`s going to be a stretch. I mean, it`s one thing to pull the bond. It`s going to clearly impact his credibility for a stand-your-ground hearing, presuming there is one. It becomes more iffy at the time of trial whether any of it will be able to get in.

But I think if, in fact, the lie was told and it turns out to be a lie -- and I think there is going to be a subsequent evidentiary hearing -- judge gave the defense the opportunity to do that. In his press conference, O`Mara said that he would be presenting his client to give an explanation to the court.

But the reality of it is, is that this hurts across the board: credibility and everything else, no question about it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Natalie Jackson, you are an attorney for Trayvon Martin`s family. What was their reaction to this news? Because I know they were devastated when he got out on bond, and he walked free. I remember them walking away, and they looked like they had tears in their eyes.

JACKSON: Yes. You know, of course they always thought that George Zimmerman behind -- belonged behind bars. They are parents who lost a teenage -- a teenage child. So for them, I think that, you know, they consider that their faith is being restored in the justice system, too.

They want the law to be followed. That`s all that they`ve asked for in this case. That was that. The beginning of this case was the demand for an arrest. We know, by the prosecution`s affidavit, there should have been an arrest in this case.

So the law has always -- whether or not we were going to follow the law has always been a question. And today the judge gave us faith by telling us, yes, we are.

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LESTER: He can`t sit back and enjoy the benefit of a lower bond or circumstances based upon those material falsehoods. That`s what they were. So at this time, revoke his bond, place him on no-bond status.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: An angry judge says, "George Zimmerman, you`re going back to jail."

And to put it in people terms, the prosecutor said that this guy lied, that he lied and that his wife also misrepresented the amount of money they had. They presented themselves as broke when they were given -- he was given bond, and now it comes out that they had a lot of money. They had a Web site set up to receive donations.

Now, this could be the beginning of Zimmerman`s problems, because there was something that sort of -- you could have missed it if you were watching the hearing. It was said in passing but could be absolutely crucial. And it relates to this so-called witness No. 9.

The prosecutor cryptically referred to some person that has some kind of dispute with George Zimmerman, details that the state says could prejudice the jury against George Zimmerman. Listen carefully.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The audio-recorded statements, 2 CDs have been furnished to defense of a witness identified as witness No. 9 taken on March 20 of 2012 by investigators for the Sanford state attorney`s office.

It deals with an allegation made by that witness regarding an act committed by this defendant. I think quite frankly, in fairness to the defendant, it would be severely prejudicial to the defendant.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Allegations of an act committed by this defendant that would be severely prejudicial to this defendant? Wow, my ears popped up at that one. Mark Nejame, did your ears pop up when you heard that, too?

NEJAME: I must have been driving because I didn`t hear it, but, having heard it now, I will tell you that what he`s likely alluding to is prior acts. Prior acts are historically and typically and legally not permitted in court. I think that`s what both sides were arguing, they were trying to bar the press from basically having all this.

Apparently, he did something that will be interpreted by the public, at least from the prosecution`s perspective, as being prejudicial and inflammatory, and it won`t be admissible in court anyway. So that`s likely -- what it is specifically we don`t know, but a prior act standing alone is not going to get into court.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Sunny Hostin, briefly, are we going to learn, is the media going to find out, what this allegation is? Twenty seconds.

HOSTIN: Well, you know, it seemed that the judge was inclined to release a lot of information. He said very clearly, Jane, that according to him and the sunshine laws, that the laws were sort of against what the prosecution was asking for. So we may hear about it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Extraordinary day in court.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One of the more gruesome attacks in recent memory.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The guy was like tearing him to pieces with his mouth.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aside from chewing off 80 percent of another man`s face while naked, an officer at the scene had to shoot Eugene several times in order to put him down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A severed foot was found at the Conservative Party headquarters yesterday and a hand was discovered.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who knows where the other body parts were intended or sent or if there are others out there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve now learned that the suspect videotaped the dismemberment of his victim.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Human remains, specifically a head and hands, were recovered on the main floor of the residence. He consumed Mr. Cody`s internal organs, specifically his heart and portions of his brain.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He walked down the street, right down the middle of the street, with like this pot, and apparently, it had the head in it.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: A series of disturbing crimes with one thing in common. What are the frightening secrets behind these seemingly unrelated attacks?

The most recent trend, a college student in Baltimore, Alexander Kinyua, confesses that he murdered his own roommate and then consumed part of the human victim. Too insane to be true? Think again. Listen to what he told police.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Human remains, specifically a head and hands, were recovered on the main floor of the residence. The suspect, Alexander Kinyua, was then interviewed by detectives. And he admitted to killing our missing person, Mr. Cody, and cutting him up with a knife. He further stated that he consumed Mr. Cody`s internal organs, specifically his heart and portions of his brain.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: What on earth is going on here? Is there something in the water? This is the fourth such attack on the East Coast.

Last Saturday in Miami, a naked man literally chewed off the face of another man. Police say they were forced to shoot him to death when he wouldn`t stop his attack.

Wednesday a New Jersey man stabbed himself numerous times, then threw his own insides at police.

And then word broke out about a brutal dismemberment in Montreal, a torso found in a suitcase and a porn star accused of cutting up his victim and then consuming parts of the human corpse.

Now, this latest outbreak in Baltimore, the college student confessed to murdering and devouring his roommate`s organs, this is trending very, very high on Google. There is a connection here.

The first of these attacks included the man -- well, he`s the Miami person. Let`s just call him that.

Now, this attack captured on surveillance cameras, a naked man named Rudy Eugene viciously tore into another man`s face. Now the family and friends of the face-eater are coming to his defense, believe it or not. listen to this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Rudy Eugene is not no zombie or Miami zombie like they`re saying. He was a human being, and that wasn`t him. Sweet, loving gentleman. He loved God. He always read the Bible.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know my son.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tell me about him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Rudy would never, never do something like that.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One of the more gruesome attacks in recent memory.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The guy was like tearing him to pieces with his mouth.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aside from chewing off 80 percent of another man`s face while naked, an officer at the scene had to shoot Eugene several times in order to put him down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A severed foot was found at the Conservative Party`s headquarters and a hand was discovered at a Canada Post sorting center.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who knows where the other body parts were intended or sent or if there are others out there?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve now learned that the suspect videotaped the dismemberment of his victim.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Human remains, specifically a head and hands, were recovered on the main floor of the residence. He consumed Mr. Cody`s internal organs, specifically his heart and portions of his brain.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He walked down the street, right down the middle of the street, with like this pot and apparently it had the head in it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: A series of disturbing crimes with one thing in common -- what are the frightening secrets behind these seemingly unrelated attacks? The most recent trend, a college student in Baltimore Alexander Kinyua (ph) confesses that he murdered his own roommate and then consumed part of the human victim. Too insane to be true? Think again.

Listen to what he told police.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Human remains, specifically a head and hands, were recovered on the main floor of the residence. The suspect Alexander Kinyua was then interviewed by detectives. And he admitted to killing our missing person Mr. Cody, and cutting him up with a knife. He further stated that he consumed Mr. Cody`s internal organs, specifically his heart and portions of his brain.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What on earth is going on here? Is there something in the water? This is the fourth such attack on the East Coast. Last Saturday in Miami, a naked man literally chewed off the face of another man. Police say they were forced to shoot him to death when he wouldn`t stop his attack.

Wednesday a New Jersey man stabbed himself numerous times, then threw his own insides at police. And then word broke out about a brutal dismemberment in Montreal, a torso found in a suitcase and a porn star accused of cutting up his victim and then consuming parts of the human corpse.

Now, this latest outbreak in Baltimore, the college student confessed to murdering and devouring his roommate`s organs, this it is trending very, very high right now on Google.

There is a connection here. The first of these attacks included the man -- well, he`s the Miami person. Let`s just call him that. This attack captured on surveillance cameras, a naked man named Rudy Eugene viciously tore into another man`s face. Now the family and friends of the face-eater are coming to his defense, believe it or not.

Listen to this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Rudy Eugene is not -- no zombie or Miami zombie like they`re saying. He was a human being, and that wasn`t him. Sweet, loving gentleman -- he loved God. He always read the Bible.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know my son.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tell me about him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Rudy would never, never do something like that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, now we hear that Rudy Eugene may have been using bath salts and that this strange new drug was possibly behind his deranged attack.

I want to go straight out to addiction specialist Howard Samuels because so often when I see evil, dysfunctional, completely irrational human behavior, drugs turn out to be behind it all. How common are these bath salts? And how on earth are they being turned into drugs and what do those drugs do to people?

HOWARD SAMUELS, ADDICTION SPECIALIST: Well, I`ve got to tell you, Jane, I`m sitting here with bath salts that were purchased legally in a head shop here in Los Angeles. This one is called "Nightmare Revisited". I mean coincidence? I mean these bath salts can be bought for $20, and it is the new in drug for teenagers these days because it`s so easily gotten, off the Internet, in head shops.

And the question to the federal government is why aren`t you doing something to stop this? This is a drug that is a stimulant, that is highly addictive, that creates aggression, superhuman strength, delusions of being invincible. I mean there are so many cases of suicide and violence connected to these drugs that the question is, why is it not being stopped? I mean I`m outraged.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. I absolutely agree with you, and there have been many, many parents who say they`ve lost their children because their children are experimenting with this. And you know, in some cases it says not for human consumption. So what? When is the last time a teenager read the details of labels?

SAMUELS: Well, exactly. I mean it says right here --

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: This is what the CDC should be looking at. This is what the FDA should be looking at. This is what our government really needs to look at because this is horror.

There is new information about the porn star accused of murder and exhibiting this same kind of behavior, eating human body parts in Montreal. Luka Magnotta went on the run. His victim has now been identified, 33- year-old university student from China named, Lin Jun (ph) and a possible motive has also been revealed for this hideous, hideous murder.

Listen to Canadian reporter John Lancaster.

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JOHN LANCASTER, CANADIAN REPORTER: The victim in this case, a young man. He`s believed to be Asian, in his early 30s, was known possibly a former lover of the suspect. They believe possibly he was lured back into that apartment under some pretense and the suspect allegedly fulfilled some kind of bizarre fantasy it would allegedly seem.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: A terrifying message scrawled in red marker. "If you don`t like the reflection, don`t look in the mirror. I don`t care."

What happened to the rest of the body parts? A left foot was sent in the mail, to the headquarters of Canada`s Conservative Party. And a postal worker found a severed left hand in a package addressed to Canada`s Liberal Party. What kind of human being commits horrific murders and then sends body parts to his elected officials?

Listen to Luka Magnotta in his own words in this interview with the "Toronto Sun".

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LUKA MAGNOTTA, SUSPECT IN CANADA MURDER: I was a stripper and then basically I went from there to doing adult films and I`m not ashamed to do adult films. I have a problem, though, with people saying those to relatives.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Could this alleged killing, decapitation and the eating of the body parts and mailing of the body parts to government officials in Canada been some sort of bizarre sexual fantasy that got out of control?

Dr. John Sharp, psychiatrist, faculty Harvard Medical School, thank you for joining us out of Los Angeles.

DR. JOHN SHARP, PSYCHIATRIST: Thank you, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: This -- according to some observers -- was some kind of kinky sexual fantasy that got taken to a really horrific level.

SHARP: Well, you know, what we`re seeing here is a broad array, a smorgasbord if you will of grisly, violent destruction of other human life. I don`t think it`s a zombie apocalypse certainly. I think there are actually differences. So in the Miami case, the victim apparently was unknown to the attacker. In the Maryland case, the victim was a roommate. In the Canadian case, there could be some kind of a perverse sexual twist that we`re seeing.

These are really all very different. They may be unified by drugs. That bath salt could be the common ingredient. It`s kind of a craziness that most of us are just disgusted by.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight`s "Viral Video of the Week", two girls surprised at a baseball game by their dad back from Afghanistan.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, guys.

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DESIREE YOUNG, MOTHER OF KYRON HORMAN: Kyron, we love you and we miss you. We remain here working hard every day to get you home.

KAINE HORMAN, FATHER OF KYRON HORMAN: He`s still out there. He`s still out there. We just need to find him.

YOUNG: There is one person that knows where he is. Terri Horman, where is Kyron?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have to get on the stand and plead the fifth and you can`t tell exactly what happened or didn`t happen. If the truth -- if you put the truth out there and it`s not incriminating, then why wouldn`t she say what happened?

YOUNG: If I ever confronted her, if she would ever give me that chance, I would talk to her and I would talk to her about the fact that Kyron never asked a thing of her except for her to love him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She wants Kyron to know she`ll never of stop looking.

YOUNG: I have to do this. I have to do it each and every day because, if I don`t, who`s going to?

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, a new development in the mystery surrounding the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman. You remember this case. We covered it so much.

It`s been two long years since little Kyron vanished from his school science fair. And now Kyron`s biological mother is putting the heat on the one person she believes knows what happened to Kyron, his stepmother Terri Horman.

Kyron vanished two years ago Monday after attending a school science fair in Portland. Stepmom Terri Horman brought him to school that day. She was the last person to see him.

Well, tonight Kyron`s mother is suing stepmom Terri Horman, -- you see stepmom right there -- for custodial interference because Desiree Young, the mother, says she believes the stepmom Terri Horman had something to do with her son`s disappearance.

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YOUNG: I hope everyday that Kyron comes through the door and that we find him ok. I want that with everything. But with the information and the evidence I have been presented against Terri, I`m confident that she probably did something to him.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Terri Horman has never officially been called a suspect or even arrested in this case. We reached out to her attorneys but have not heard back. Kyron`s dad is trying to divorce her, but it`s stuck in the courts right now.

During this investigation, Kyron`s dad found out that his former bodybuilding wife -- you see Terri there -- even allegedly tried to hire someone to kill him and she that also had a sexting fling with a gardener.

Straight out to Bruce McCain, attorney and former captain with a sheriff`s office -- very, very knowledgeable on this case; tonight, Bruce, what do we know about this lawsuit Kyron`s mother has filed?

BRUCE MCCAIN, ATTORNEY: Well, Jane, we haven`t actually seen it because it hasn`t yet quite been released to the public. But I can tell you already there`s going to be some major substantive problems for Desiree. Oregon actually has a statute that allows for a civil suit for custodial interference but it piggybacks on the criminal statute. It requires Desiree to do what the prosecutors have been unwilling to do and that`s actually to prove Terri Horman committed a crime.

And one of the elements that`s going to be very difficult in this case is that the first-degree custodial interference that Desiree has to prove requires a showing that Kyron was taken out of state. That`s going to be virtually impossible.

It also has a six-year statute of limitations. So we`re still curious why the lawyers are saying we had to do this right away. This really looks like it`s more along the lines of Kaine`s civil suit two years ago of trying to force Terri into some kind of a deposition, which she`ll never do; and to try to get some information out of her.

The likelihood of success in this is not very good.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Kaine is the father, by the way. Just for those who are unaware of all the players, Kaine is the dad.

MCCAIN: That`s right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Police told us today that this is not a cold case and that there`s a detective assigned to Kyron`s case. They wouldn`t comment on Terri Horman. Kyron`s mom has repeatedly made statements that she believes stepmom Terri had something to do with her son`s disappearance.

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YOUNG: Terri, I feel like you are at a crossroads in your life. This is not going to get any easier for you. The police will not stop until they find Kyron. You will go to jail, and whoever has been helping you will either have to talk, or they will go to jail.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: We reached out to Terri Horman`s attorney, didn`t get a call back. He and/or Terri invited on our show anytime.

Straight out to the Victoria Taft, host of "The Victoria Taft Show"; what do you make of this lawsuit?

VICTORIA TAFT, HOST, "THE VICTORIA TAFT SHOW": Well, it looks to me Jane, as if it`s a place holder for something that is coming down the pipe. Maybe throwing everything against the wall and at least putting her marker down and saying, ok, something`s got to happen. Maybe they`re hoping that something will shake loose, some information. Maybe it will light a fire under the new district attorney who`s coming on board fairly soon. Maybe someone will say, we`ve got to do something, I know some information, and maybe they`ll call in, Jane.

I mean I`m just hoping.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hey, it`s Friday. I think we all deserve a laugh break.

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YOUNG: I know that she hates Kyron, just hates him. And we see a lot of writing from her communicating that she did not like him and did not want him in her life. And I just feel now, over a year later I just feel like she probably harmed him.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Kyron lived for the most part with his father and his stepmother Terri and their young daughter. Kyron`s biological mom Desiree would see him on weekends.

Desiree says she never realized how Terri felt about her son. Essentially Desiree feels that Terri hated her son. The stepmom took the 5th before a grand jury. She`s been questioned by police but she`s never been arrested.

Joe Episcopo, criminal defense attorney, she`s been silent. She`s been the focus of the investigation but she`s never been charged with anything. Is this one of these -- and I hate to say this because it breaks my heart -- no body, no case?

JOE EPISCOPO, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, as far as the civil suit, she`s going to take the 5th amendment. They`re not going to get anywhere on that. Even if they win $1 million they are probably never going to collect it. So I don`t think they -- you know, they don`t have a case either way.

Maybe they should have thought about the civil suit against the school. But I just think they`re going to have problems just because they say, well, she didn`t like the kid. That`s not enough to get a conviction in criminal court.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Listen, over the past two years Kyron`s mom, Desiree, has resigned herself to the fact that her son is probably dead. She wants somebody to pay for it.

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YOUNG: I just want her to see his face every single day. I want her reminded every single day of what she`s done. I want her to suffer. I want her to suffer as much as Kyron has.

And those billboards are a reminder that I will never stop. I won`t stop until we find him.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Kyron`s dad and stepmother were standing at the school bus stop on the afternoon of June 4 waiting for Kyron to get off the bus. And he never did. There is the father and there is the biological mother. They had split up a long time ago when Kaine was living with the stepmother. They have since split up and they are in the midst of an ugly, ugly divorce.

Pat Brown, criminal profiler, will we ever learn the truth about what happened to this precious young boy?

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Well, it`s like every one of these other cold, cold, cold cases. They don`t have any physical evidence. They have suspicions. They have beliefs. I`m sure they are looking at Terri Horman. No question about it. But they`ve got nothing to work with that would lead to any kind of a prosecution.

So, unless something pops up one day, that`s not going to happen. And the civil suit, in my opinion, is kind of ridiculous because the only way to prove that she interfered with anything is to prove that she murdered the child.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The footage you`re about to see was recorded with a hidden camera by a Mercy for Animals investigator at a livestock auction. The investigation revealed an ongoing pattern of cruelty and severe neglect.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Warning, the video you are about to see is extremely disturbing. So disturbing we really can`t show you the worst of it by any means but it is important to bear witness because we can do something about it if we all get together and say, enough.

An undercover Mercy for Animals investigation has exposed what the organization calls shocking and severe animal abuse and neglect at one of the oldest and largest livestock auctions in southern California.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Here, workers violently kick, throw, drag, stomp on and beat animals in the face and body in an effort to move them.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: This hidden camera footage led to 21 cruelty to animal charges against seven employees and the auction`s owner. Those individuals will be arraigned July 19th. We`ll stay on top of the story. The auction company did not return calls for comment.

Joining me now is the executive director of that national animal protection organization, Mercy for Animals, Nathan Runkle. Tell us what you say you discovered during this undercover investigation.

NATHAN RUNKLE, MERCY FOR ANIMALS: Well, our investigator documented a culture of cruelty. Workers were documented beating animals, dragging them, throwing them by their necks and neglecting downed animals. These are animals too sick or injured to even walk without any access to food, water or veterinary care. This is horrific abuse. And we feel this auction should be shut down on grounds of animal cruelty.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, it`s not only heartbreaking to watch these animals suffer, Mercy for Animals contends that what they caught on camera is potentially dangerous to human health. Listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: California law prohibits auctions from selling or holding animals who are too sick or injured to walk. Yet, at this auction, so-called downed animals were sold, transported and left to suffer and die for extended periods of time. These downed animals are more likely to carry disease that threaten public health if allowed to enter the human food supply.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: To learn more, get involved because these animals cannot speak for themselves. Go to MercyforAnimals.org. That is MercyforAnimals.org.

Nathan, it seems that when there is an undercover investigation, be it at a slaughterhouse, a factory farm or now at an auction house that it`s the same story. We see these same images of animals being dragged and abused, dragged by their horns, kicked, prodded. This is -- is this institutionalized cruelty?

RUNKLE: Absolutely. Animal abuse runs rampant in animal agriculture whether it`s a factory farm, a slaughterhouse or a livestock auction. And we need federal laws and stricter oversight to prevent this abuse from happening.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`ve got to tell you. It`s also a consumer issue. Ok. Because consumers, the reason we`re showing you this is that you can make decisions with your pocketbook and tell the world you don`t like this.

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