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Designer Drug Causing Violent Behavior?

Aired June 6, 2012 - 19:00   ET


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: What we`re doing is going on an adventure. It`s fun. There`s no dieting. There`s no deprivation. There`s no suffering. It is a blast.

And also tonight, we`re talking about another very serious and extremely important health issue which everybody in our country needs to be aware of. It is the widely popular use of a new designer rug called bath salts. Now, that`s not what you put in your tub. These are highly addictive drugs that are causing violent and even psychotic behavior.


VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, more and more cases of incomprehensible violence being tied to the designer drug bath salts. The drug now linked to a Louisiana man cops say bit another man`s face. This on the heels of the Miami man suspected to be to be on the very same drug, who ate the face of a homeless man. Hear what that now-dead suspect`s girlfriend has to say about it tonight.

Why are these so-called bath salts still for sale? We`re talking to experts, and we`re taking your calls.

Plus, he`s called the Monster of Montreal. Tonight this just-captured suspected killer speaks to his so-called fans. He posted the online clips while on the run just before his capture. Did cops ignore repeated pleas to arrest Luka Magnotta years ago?

This as cops say school employees are still reeling from the shock of opening packages sent by Magnotta containing a human foot and a human hand. We`ll investigate.

And we`ll switch gears in our adventure to slimness. Chef Chloe proves to you, you don`t have to give up your very favorite dishes to lose weight.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We know there are cases these days of people taking bath salts and things like that and doing terrible, violent, bizarre things.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`ve never experienced anything like that with bath salts or anything like that before.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s worse than anyone could ever imagine, ever. It`s the worst thing I have ever seen in my life.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For 20 bucks, people are buying this, bath salts to get high, and its high is causing people to wind up here in the hospital.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: A naked man named Rudy Eugene viciously tore into another man`s face. Now we hear that Rudy Eugene may have been using bath salts and that this strange new drug was possibly behind his deranged attack.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bath salts could definitely have done this. We also know that it causes extreme paranoia, delusions and hallucinations.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you live from New York City tonight.

It has happened again. Another baffling case of psychotic violence that cops say could be linked to the use of so-called bath salts. Tonight, at least three cases of flesh eating across the southern United States could be tied to the scary drug that`s actually legal in 17 states. Why? I`m asking that question tonight.

We told you about the Miami man who was shot and killed by cops because he was eating the flesh off of a homeless man`s face. And it was all caught on surveillance cameras.

Well, now, cops say that the attacker may have used bath salts before he became psychotically violent. His girlfriend held a news conference just a little while ago, expressing shock and saying she had absolutely no knowledge that he had a drug problem. Listen to this.


YOVONKA BRYANT, GIRLFRIEND OF RUDY EUGENE: Rudy never drank alcohol or used drugs around me. I only saw him smoke a marijuana cigarette once. I am looking forward to learning the results of the toxicology report, and I hope that no one will ever have to go through or suffer what Rudy and his victim did.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: And this isn`t the only case involving flesh eating and alleged bath salt use. Cops say a man in Louisiana attacked his neighbor.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: During the attack, the suspect bit a chunk of the victim`s face off.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: So what happens when somebody takes this drug? Let`s listen to a self-admitted ex-bath salt addict talk about his wrenching experience.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`ve never experienced anything like that doing bath salt or anything like that before. And it really actually scared me pretty bad, because I was hallucinating about being in a mental institution, in an insane asylum, basically, and something about Jason Bourne and getting possessed by him. And I felt -- I flipped out all kinds of crazy.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Look at him. Look at him here. He`s a totally different person. Look at him on bath salts. And some people say that this kind of makes you feel evil and demonic.

Do you think bath salts should be banned nationwide? I certainly do. Get rid of it. Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to my exclusive guest. He goes only by the name Tyler, who says he was addicted to bath salts for two long months before getting clean 36 days ago.

First of all, Tyler, as somebody who`s sober 17 years, those first few days are the toughest, especially, apparently, with this particular drug. Tyler, how did you get involved with bath salts? Where did you get it, and tell us the story?

TYLER (via phone): Well, I was currently getting it from a strip club at one time. It`s also being sold at gas stations. I got introduced to it first hand by the strip club owner, and it`s a pretty expensive drug to buy.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Describe the high, because obviously nobody wants to become psychotic. Nobody wants to suddenly be uncontrollable and attacking people, but apparently this high is quite extraordinary and highly addictive. Tell us about that. What does it feel like?

TYLER: It`s -- it`s super addictive. You really don`t know that you have a problem the entire time you`re on it. And once you keep using for longer periods of time, you do feel like you`re possessed. And you feel evil and you feel like the whole world is out to get you and you pretty much just lose control.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did you feel paranoid? Did you exhibit any strange behavior?

TYLER: Definitely. I was constantly looking out my windows and trying to figure out who was trying to follow me. And I felt like the government was out to get me. I felt like I honestly was possessed by the devil. But at the time I had no idea I had a problem until I went through treatment and realized that I had huge problems.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What does a person act like when they`re high on bath salts? A&E actually followed a bath salt user while he was doing drugs, and you`ve got to see this from A&E`s "Intervention." It`s scary.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He built a weapon to fight the phase people.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He has obsession with building things to combat the voices.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: This guy is using his golf club with a bunch of other stuff.

Dr. Alexander Garrard, clinical toxicologist, Poison Control Center. He`s using golf clubs to create weapons to fight invisible people that he calls shadow people. He became kind of, well, seemingly a lunatic. What happens, Dr. Alexander Garrard, to the inside? I`ve heard people say that they feel like they`re boiling up inside. What goes on?

DR. ALEXANDER GARRARD, CLINICAL TOXICOLOGIST: These new, synthetic bath salts are just -- it`s a real threat here to the country. They are a mix between, like amphetamines and cocaine. They take, really, what`s the worse out of each drug class and they all combine it into a new, synthetic compound. And we really have no idea what`s in it. We have an idea, but there`s a lot of adulterants, a lot of contaminants and all those things could affect what we`re seeing.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to go to Maddie Garrett. She`s a reporter with KATC in Louisiana. Tell us about the Louisiana case which is really horrifying.

MADDIE GARRETT, REPORTER, KATC: That`s right. We do know that a man not only attacked an elderly woman before going to an acquaintance`s house, an ex-wife`s new boyfriend. He didn`t know him and attacked him in his front yard. He bit off a large chunk of his face. And that victim actually had to spray him with wasp spray to try to stop the attack.

And it didn`t even end there. He went to another acquaintance`s house, threatened him with a bloody knife and told him he needed to steal his gun. He was threatening to harm that person and himself. It wasn`t until later when he left with that gun that police were able to apprehend him.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Experts say taking bath salts is like being on mushrooms, meth, coke, all at one. It`s been compared to PCP except stronger. Watch this from A&E`s "Intervention," which shows a bath salt addict in the middle of a hallucination.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Skylar will be distracted by shadows he thinks he sees.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A little shadow walked by. Don`t you see it? Yes. You can feel it, actually. I mean, it kind of sucks, but that`s his head right there. Oh, my God. Yes. That`s the body.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: He`s seeing invisible people. Jon Lieberman, investigative reporter, what is the status of this? Is it an epidemic?

JON LIEBERMAN, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Well, I`ve got to tell you, cops that we`re talking to say that we`re on the verge of an epidemic. We had crack in the `80s. We had crystal meth in 2000. And they believe that this could be the next drug.

And I mean, they point to certain cases that are just -- that are just crazy. A Maine woman who thought her teeth were filled with ticks and so she tried to cut them out with a knife. Another guy hops out of his car in Maine and starts hitting other cars with pieces of wood.

Here`s the biggest problem. This drug is so readily available. Banned or not, these bans aren`t doing anything. Today online I found, under no fewer than 50 different names, bath salts. They`ll ship them to you overnight if you want them.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tyler, you used bath salts. Did you feel yourself becoming violent? And what about this face eating, this eating of human flesh? What is behind that, do you think?

TYLER: Yes. If you use it long enough, I feel like you will end up into that flesh-eating mode. Luckily, I only used it for two months, and I got to the paranoia stage, where I was seeing shadow people. I was taking apart electronics and pretty much everything that you guys have been describing besides the cannibal stage. And if people continue to use, it`s going to get ridiculous.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, you know, this is a terrible drug, because it takes the combination of methamphetamine and the paranoia and the aggressiveness, and the LSD, the hallucinations, and PCP, the extreme paranoia that you get, and combines it into one and has unpredictable effects on human behavior.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Unpredictable? That`s an understatement. Bath salts suspected in the Miami flesh-eating incident. A homeless man lost most of his face, because it was gnawed off.

Here`s what the alleged attacker`s girlfriend said just a little while ago in a news conference.


BRYANT, GIRLFRIEND OF RUDY EUGENE: Rudy never drank alcohol or used drugs around me. I only saw him smoke a marijuana cigarette once. Rudy and I never discussed cannibalism or voodoo, and most likely he was given a drug without his knowledge.

I am looking forward to learning the results of the toxicology report, and I hope that no one will ever have to go through or suffer what Rudy and his victim did.

GLORIA ALLRED, ATTORNEY: Had she had any indication that Mr. Eugene could or would engage in an act of cannibalism, she never would have allowed him around her three children.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Preliminary toxicology reports show Rudy Eugene did have pot in his system, but they`re waiting for the tox results to come back to confirm or deny whether he was using bath salts. Police do suspect it. Bryant believes Rudy Eugene was given the drug without his knowledge, if in fact, he was given the drug.

Look at these brand names for bath salts. How would somebody know? Perhaps he was given bath salts surreptitiously by somebody. I mean, this is absolutely a nightmare.

Wendy Murphy, former prosecutor, you can buy it anywhere. It costs only 20 bucks, and it makes you psychotic to the point, as one of the users just said it. He`s in recovery, thank God. He said if he had continued to do it, he probably could have ended up flesh eating human flesh, as well.

WENDY MURPHY, FORMER PROSECUTOR: You know, Jane, I don`t know whether to cry, vomit or make a joke about zombies. This kind of story is so disturbing. I`ve never seen anything like this, much less in these high numbers.

And I hope your show scares people because, you know, the down side of talking a lot about this is you see copycats and more people doing it: "Ooh, that sounds cool."

I`m a little bit perplexed by the connection between you turn demonic and you start eating flesh. Because, you know, with "The Exorcist," nobody was biting faces. I have to believe that there`s something about the mixture of culture and its increased willingness to sell violence as exciting and sexy.

And you combine that with a drug like this and you get people literally doing inhumane things that 20 years ago, no matter what the hell drug you were on, you wouldn`t be doing this.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I don`t disagree with you. I think that the horrific stuff that`s on the Internet and some of these movies is such violence that when people are drugged out it occurs to them, where it wouldn`t have occurred to them, maybe back in the 1940s or `50s.

I want to go out to the phone lines. Casey, Ohio, your question or thought. Casey.

CALLER: I, Jane, I want to share a little bit of knowledge with what I`ve experienced with bath salts.

I have an uncle who, when this came out, became very highly addicted to bath salts very quickly. And the most gentle man in the whole world, he would never harm anyone (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

One night, he was so mad and so angry on bath salts that he physically assaulted me, beat me up, knocked my teeth out, four of my front teeth. This was a man who was like my father who raised me. He was injecting it, injecting bath salts.

And -- and it took him going to jail. And you know, he`s straight now that he`s out. And we`re in Ohio so it`s illegal, but you can still find it just like marijuana is illegal. You can find marijuana.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Casey, that`s a horrifying story, and I want to go to Jameson Monroe, founder of the Newport Academy, an addiction specialist. You can snort it. You can shoot it up. Do you think it`s more intense if you do it in a certain way that could make you more violent?

JAMESON MONROE, FOUNDER, NEWPORT ACADEMY: Just like with any drug, Jane, if you smoke something or shoot it up, it`s going to get into your bloodstream a lot quicker and be a lot more intense.

But we`re seeing kids at Newport Academy that are drinking it, that are mixing it in food, that are sprinkling it on top of a bowl of marijuana and smoking it that way. Any way to get it into your system. What`s crazy is that kids are able to go buy this at the head shop with no I.D. for $20 that their parents gave them for their lunch money and go get high for six to eight hours and become immediately addicted.

I`ve never seen any drug this addictive or create this type of mania in such a short time period. You don`t have to be a drug addict. You can be a regular pot smoker, try this stuff one time, and it`s off to the races. It`s that addictive.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s worse than anyone could ever imagine -- ever. It`s the worst thing I have ever seen in my life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is attacking nervous systems, muscular systems, and brain activity and deteriorating it far sooner than any other drug I`ve ever seen, and I`ve been around meth, coke, heroin, crack.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Straight out to HLN`s very own Dr. Drew Pinsky.

Dr. Drew, we need your help here. This is legal in so many states. And from what I`ve been able to determine, it`s under so many different brand names that have so many different ingredients that they ban one ingredient while they just mix it up and they make it with another ingredient. And they just haven`t reissued it. So it`s very hard to keep track of, Dr. Drew.

DREW PINSKY, HLN ANCHOR: That`s exactly right, Jane. The manufacturers are staying one step ahead of the regulators by changing the molecule ever so slightly.

And Jane, you and I have shared the studio out here for a long time. I just walked up the street in Hollywood Boulevard and was able to walk into a smoke shop in which there are just dozens and dozens along Hollywood Boulevard, and I bought myself some designer drug. I bought myself some bath salts. I bought some spice. No problem, right over the counter.

They want to know if you`re 18. That is one thing they do want to know. But beyond that, I got my hand on some bath salts. And on the package is says, "Does not contain MDPV," methylenedioxypyrovalerone. That`s code for "does contain this. You`ve got the right stuff, guys."

And kids, young adults can walk right up, and as you`re seeing right there on the screen, hallucinosis, agitation, happens very quickly and really, as much as a mania, as one of your guests said, it causes them encephalopathy where the hallmarks are complete lack of insight, extreme violence and really wild, bizarre behavior.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I`ve got to say. Here`s one other case. A homeless man in Miami lunged at cops trying to bite them, and he threatened to eat them. Cops had to put this Brandon De Leon in restraints and a bite mask. This is out of a horror movie.

Dr. Drew, what is this with the biting and the human flesh eating that seems to be -- I`m not jumping to any conclusions -- but seems to be associated with a lot of these cases that are connected to bath salts?

PINSKY: Yea, the violence, the bloodiness and the -- what we can only call sort of an oral aggression.

I think I would caution, Jane, anyone against trying to make rational conclusions about irrational encephalopathic behavior. The brain, as many of your guests and callers have said, is merely discharging in ways that are completely unregulated and abnormal.

And as a result, you`re seeing these bizarre and you`re seeing right here in the footage alongside of me. That is not somebody connected to reality. That`s not someone whose brain is functioning in a way that is normal or even applies standards of logic or rationality.

It`s a brain that`s severely dysfunctional and the manifestations are hallucinosis, agitation, paranoia, violence, and as you saw here, there`s a lot of aggression around the mouth. So whenever you hear people getting involved in bloody kinds of altercations where there`s biting, you`ve got to think about bath salts.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, it kind of makes sense. With meth, you know that they pick at their face, and they grind their teeth. That`s why meth mouth. And they have certain characteristics.

This is also apparently, seemingly -- I`m not the doctor; you are, but it seems to be a characteristic of this bath salts, to be biting other fellow humans.

PINSKY: It does seem to be. And all of this stuff that really is again, the two really disturbing parts, aside from the fact that all of these behaviors are disturbing. But the thing that I guess is scariest is that these kinds of extreme phenomenon develop very quickly.

You`re hearing everybody say, the addiction is quick. The side effects are quick to develop. And then once they have developed, the individual who is sick has -- seems to have no insight. They don`t realize there`s a problem. You heard over and again. They say, "Well, my grandmother is possessed by the devil. That`s just a fact. I`ve got to get her. I`m going to go kill her because, well, she`s possessed by the devil." And no insight into, for instance, this gentleman you`re looking at now -- into the fact that he is in serious trouble.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A bizarre case gets even more bizarre in Canada. Vancouver police are investigating two disturbing incidents.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Luka Rocco Magnotta, the porn actor accused of killing and dismembering a man in Canada.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The first package containing what appeared to be a human hand.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a really traumatic and difficult situation for absolutely everybody.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Human remains were discovered in separate packages mailed to two local area schools this afternoon.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The victim`s head is still missing tonight.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re still missing the head. The head is still missing.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The porn star fugitive has now been captured.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Having indecently abused the corpse of the man he killed, his former boyfriend.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve now learned that the suspect videotaped the dismemberment of his victim.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a real human being, getting decapitated in front of the video, in front of the camera.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I believe that he was showing off his work.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The torso found stuffed in a suitcase behind an apartment in Montreal.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re talking about the same body parts that we were looking for which is the right hand and the right foot.

Another package containing what appeared to be a human foot.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I knew he was really strange and he creeped me out for sure.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, new developments in the severed body parts sent to children`s schools; police believe they`re connected to a dismembered murder victim in Montreal but the victim`s head still missing.

Now, new secrets and clues emerge that might tell us where the suspect sent that skull. This is the school in Vancouver where a human foot was delivered in the mail. That same day a hand arrives at another school.

Police say it`s likely these limbs are from the same victim of suspected killer Luka Magnotta, a porn star who dismembered a former lover and then ate parts of his flesh and even had sex with the corpse.

Last week a left foot was sent to Canada`s Prime Minister at the headquarters of the Conservative Party. Shortly afterwards, another package found, this one with a left hand to the Liberal Party headquarters. Then a human torso found in a suitcase outside Magnotta`s apartment. He had already fled the country by that point.

Then yesterday a right hand and right foot delivered to those schools in Vancouver, Canada; but the most crucial body part, the victim`s head still missing. Where will it show up? Is it his ultimate trophy?

Magnotta arrested Monday, Berlin, an Internet cafe, he was caught reading his own news reports, reports about himself. Over the weekend new video released of the suspect -- watch this from YouTube, Magnotta talks to the quote, unquote "fans" of his while a Madonna song blares in the background.


LUKA ROCCO MAGNOTTA, MURDER SUSPECT: What`s up? And hi to all my fans.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, he looks demonic to me. This isn`t the first time he`s taped himself. He`s been sought for years for allegedly killing kittens on camera and posted the videos online.

"The Sun" the newspaper, reports they got one of those horrific videos in an e-mail where somebody claiming to be Magnotta wrote this warning, quote, "Once you kill and taste blood it`s impossible to stop," end quote. The e-mail continued, "I`ll be back and this time the victims won`t be animals.

Was he foreshadowing killings to come? Call me at 1877-JVM-SAYS.

Straight out to Joe Warmington, reporter for Sun News Network; Joe, what do you know about these ominous foreshadowing e-mails? The Sun says they showed the e-mails to cops months ago and were ignored.

JOE WARMINGTON, REPORTER, SUN NEWS NETWORK: I know, that`s the scary thing about it is that nobody took this guy seriously. And he was definitely crying out, Jane, for people to pay attention to what he was thinking in his escalations. And you can see in that video that smug and satisfied look on his face.

You know, I don`t know when that was filmed, but I suspect that it was when he was on the run. As for this business of the feet and all that, the West Coast they have nine other feet that have been found out there, so who knows what this is all about.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, yes. They`re looking at all of the unsolved cases tonight. Now, when I look at his face I see what I -- I just feel -- I get the creeps and it`s like looking at evil.

Animal rights activists had been hunting Magnotta for years because of the countless kitten mutilation videos he allegedly posted online. Just six months ago, PETA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals offered a reward and delivered a chilling omen. It read, "PETA is offering a reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the demented or vicious coward responsible for these heinous acts. The pain and fear that these cats must have experienced is unimaginable. Anyone capable of such sadism poses a danger to us all," end quote.

Ingrid Newkirk is with us tonight. I`m very honored to have her. She`s the president of PETA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. Ingrid, you tried to warn people. You tried to warn police? Would it be fair to say that you predicted this, in essence?

INGRID NEWKIRK, PRESIDENT, PEOPLE FOR THE ETHICAL TREATMENT OF ANIMALS: Well, it`s not too hard to predict, Jane. Every serial killer, Jeffrey Dahmer, Son of Sam, all the school shooters have a history of vicious cruelty to animals. And it`s their past (ph). If they`re not stopped, if this behavior isn`t corrected -- and I think law enforcement is gradually, but too slowly getting this lesson -- then it`s going to escalate.

It`s bad enough for the animals, but people want to be more empowered and take out this violence on human beings in the end.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I call this reactive justice. There were many, many warning signs. Jon Leiberman, hundreds and hundreds of videos of this sicko bragging. He was sending e-mails to people bragging about killing cats and the cops refused to take it seriously.

JON LEIBERMAN, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: You know, we even found a blog that this guy -- police believe he posted -- called necrophiliac serial killer Luka Magnotta, in which he confesses to liking sex with corpses. He says, "I don`t see myself as some creepy pervert. I`m just someone who has feelings, real feelings for dead men." That was posted on his blog.

This is a major part of the investigation because cops are looking back at all of these videos online. Right now, they also want to know did he have any help, after the killing, did he have any help to get to the airport, to get out of country there in Canada. So this is a worldwide investigation now and police are looking to see if he had any help.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Well, I have to say, one of the scariest questions for me is did he have other victims? You heard what Ingrid said about serial killers always start with animals? This guy -- police are wondering, is he a serial killer? Listen to this.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is far from being over. The investigation has brought us to the suspect. Now we will get of other questions beside that. Is there other possible homicide or other crime linked to that person? That will be investigated by our investigators, that`s for sure.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: We looked it up, there`s five unsolved missing cases of Montreal in the past year. These are the faces of those five missing individuals. Of the five, there are four men and one woman -- 19 to 55.

Wendy Murphy, former prosecutor, do you think we`re at the tip of the iceberg?

WENDY MURPHY, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Oh, yes. Well, who knows for sure, but a guy like this doesn`t go from kittens to not only dismembering a body, but mailing it out. There`s got to be stuff in the middle and you know, unfortunately the victims aren`t around to tell us the story. But I do hope that people start to connect the dots in this.

You know, clearly what worries me here is that this guy was not under the influence of drugs but under the influence of Jeffrey Dahmer. And what I`m worried about is that he`s going to be able to take advantage of this apparent space of similar kinds of behavior and say at his trial, poor me, I was under the influence of bath salts or God forbid, I was abused as a child which may have something to do with why he was sending body parts to schools where little kids were.

I don`t really care about this guy`s history. I don`t care that he was crying for attention or may have been abused as a child. We do have to, I think, get to a point in our legal system where we don`t get give discounts to guys like this.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: And now I`m bringing in my fitness magician to teach me and you how we can work out at the office. Tell us.

TOM HOLLAND, FITNESS EXPERT: So much you can do. We don`t want to sit all day long. So many exercises we can do. One that`s great is you just stand up like we are. Hold on to the desk Jane, and just pulse that right leg back. You`re going to really tone those glutes. Feel that squeeze as you go back?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you squeeze your butt while you`re doing it.

HOLLAND: Yes, really try to focus on that glute muscle right there. So good right? everyone wants that tight glute, right? And that switch. So 10 on one side, ten on the other.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And I can do this while I have the phone on speaker.

HOLLAND: You absolutely can, you know. You can -- if you have the -- you don`t have speaker phone, you can use your hand. It doesn`t matter.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. I can actually do this and that will make a difference?

HOLLAND: Huge difference. Little chunks throughout the day, science has shown makes a difference. We don`t have to work out for 30 minutes. You can do three minutes. Thirty seconds make a difference. It builds up.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I can feel it. I can feel it, you know where.

HOLLAND: Exactly.



VELEZ-MITCHELL: More breaking news in a second, but first your "Viral Video of the Day".


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A hamster and he`s jumping for it.




MAGNOTTA: Yes. I really do enjoy my work. I get to meet new people all the time. And you know, I`m a people person, and you know, it`s worked out great for me, you know.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: That man, that was from "Naked News". He`s now accused of one of the most horrific crimes, the dismemberment killing and flesh eating and necrophilia with this victim of his.

Let`s take another look at Magnotta`s newest YouTube video. It appears to have been posted over this past weekend when this sicko was still on the run before he was caught in Germany. We still don`t know exactly when it was shot but he looks totally different than in his mug shot as he listens to the 1987 Madonna hit "La Isla Bonita".


MAGNOTTA: What`s up and hi to all my fans?


VELEZ-MITCHELL: This sicko smoking a cigarette and talking about his fans.

Joe Warmington, clearly, he is addicted to infamy. You say that you believe you got e-mails from him while he was on the run and also your thoughts about the notes that were with the severed limbs that he sent to the schools in Canada. Do you have any idea what those notes might contain?

WARMINGTON: Well, I`m wondering about the nine feet that were found out there. It`s been a real mystery, Jane, in Canada for a while. Just these feet wash up on shore, and I`m wondering if it`s connected to that and you can be sure he`s looking at it.

As for the video, you and I talked all week about this. I mean this guy -- the narcissism and just the look of smugness on his face. Whether he filmed it before or not, I think it was designed for us to see now that he`s enjoying every minute of this thing.


WARMINGTON: And that it`s really, really sick and it`s ticking me off because, you know, I interviewed him in the early days. I just wish I didn`t give him any attention at all.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, well, don`t blame yourself. Very quickly, Jon Leiberman, this is what -- you saw the actual video of the killing and the dismemberment and the necrophilia and the flesh eating. Describe it in 10 seconds and also the lights. I can`t believe this.

LEIBERMAN: I`ve seen a lot, I`ve never seen anything like this. I mean this guy had a knife and fork in his hand looking over this beheaded corpse. It was absolutely disgusting and it was posted on Facebook; 600 likes for the murder video.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And I have to go to Ingrid Newkirk, president of PETA because you and I are both never -- well, I am always shocked and horrified at what humanity is capable of in terms of cruelty. Do you feel that there`s a lesson here to be learned in terms of how police should handle animal cruelty?

NEWKIRK: It`s just not only police, but it`s every one of us. It`s not so much about this man. This man is the lesson, but whenever you see a narcissistic personality, the inability to empathize, to put yourself in the place of another and this bullying, this wish to control, to dominate the most vulnerable in society -- animals, the elderly, children. It`s a sign.

We need to say something and do something and not go away until somebody takes notice. This is not everything like boys will be boys. I look at people who hunt for pleasure and I wonder what goes on in their mind. If you can`t empathize, somebody needs to be looking out for you and for the community at the same time.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`re very excited to tell you the Daytime Emmys are coming to HLN. This year`s presentation will feature tributes to beloved shows that recently finished their runs, including "All My Children" and "One Life to Live". You can watch the Daytime Emmy Awards, live, Saturday June 23rd, 8:00 p.m. Eastern right here on HLN.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We said from the beginning, the web had been used by him to glorify himself and we believe that it`s the web that had brought him down.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Magnotta`s ex-girlfriend told reporters he was obsessed with serial killers and would do anything to be famous. Former prosecutor, Wendy Murphy, do you think this is sort of the end result, the extreme conclusion to our culture of narcissism and fame at any price?

MURPHY: Well, you know, I`m sitting here hoping they have some Pepto- Bismol at the studio, I`m so disgusted. I hope, Jane. I mean how much worse could it get? Eating people, sending limbs, having sex with dead people -- what`s worse? I don`t even know if there`s an answer I want to hear.

You know, I do think that we have one problem to solve at least with this kind of case which is to stop thinking about this kind of behavior as an illness that can be fixed. You and I don`t always agree about this addiction and violence. I think if you don`t have a conscience, if you have the capacity to kill animals, if you`re joking about having sex with dead bodies, you need to be locked up. I don`t care if it`s a jail cell or a hospital bed, and never be allowed to walk free in society ever.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jamison Monroe, do you think that as an addiction specialist -- ten seconds -- people just get a pass sometimes.

JAMISON MONROE, ADDICTION SPECIALIST: I do think that -- I believe in rehabilitation over incarceration. I think that parents need to be more educated bath salts, prescription pills and the media. They need to educate themselves and they just need to spend more time with their kids.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I think this man is very, very, very, very, very, very, very evil. And I agree with Wendy Murphy. I do believe in redemption, but at certain times people cross the line and their incomprehensible degeneracy is of such a depth that they really just don`t belong to the human race anymore. And they are evil. Evil does exist.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Congratulations, Chloe, you are the winner of "Cupcake Wars".

CHLOE COSCARELLI, WINNER, "CUPCAKE WARS": I was so relieved. I was so happy. And for me to be the first vegan to really break through on this kind of setup is huge.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: You know her as the winner of Food Network`s "Cupcake Wars". Tonight in our Adventure to Slim, she is our special private chef. She wowed judges creating cruelty-free cupcakes that tasted better than anything with butter, dairy. Now she is showing us how to make scrumptious meals without sacrificing taste.

The fabulous vegan chef/author of "Chloe`s Kitchen", Chloe Coscarelli; you have whipped up something fabulous. Show us and tell us.

COSCARELLI: Ok, Jane. We have avocado pesto pasta. All vegan, so easy to make. This is great for working parents or college students. We`re using fresh basil, we`re using avocados which are a heart healthy fat, some lemon juice to brighten the flavor, pine nuts which are a great source of protein and a little drizzle of some olive oil which is high in mono-unsaturated fats.

Go for it. Take a bite.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Guys, while you push in and get a tight shot of all the food she`s talking about, you can come to me and I`m going to have a bite of this because it looks so good. I`ve been working so hard, you know. We had a lot of breaking news today. Uh-oh. I might need a spoon.

COSCARELLI: Just go for it. A big bite.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. So, tell me about why this is good for a weight loss program.

COSCARELLI: This is great for a weight loss program because it`s all fresh ingredients. It`s all vegan, so we have no cheese but you are not going to miss that because there`s tons of flavor from the basil and the avocados which makes the texture very creamy and very delicious.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. So I want you to zoom in on that plate. Zoom in on it. Let`s drop all the graphics and zoom in. Forward, let`s see it.

COSCARELLI: Here we`ve got it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s see it. Let`s see it. Let`s see it.

COSCARELLI: You would never know that this was vegan.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Usually I think of pasta as the guilty food. Recently I found out that there`s some called quinoa pasta that has a lot of protein in it.


We have all different kinds of alternatives. So today we have brown rice pasta which makes this dish totally gluten free. And actually my new cookbook all of the recipes can be made gluten free and we could use regular pasta, too.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hold up that pasta.

COSCARELLI: Use what you have on hand.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. I want to see --

COSCARELLI: This is the brown rice pasta.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s the brown rice pasta. There is guilt-free pasta that you can have. Let me -- pick that up again.

COSCARELLI: It`s high in fiber, high in protein, and you cook it just like normal pasta and it tastes the same if not better. Let us know what you think. I think it has very nice --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. We`ll taste it right now. Come on, guys.

COSCARELLI: Go for it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. Here`s the thing, everybody says to me -- everybody knows I`m a vegan, you`re a vegan. This is vegan food. When you say you`re going to miss the cheese, I don`t miss the cheese. I haven`t eaten cheese in 16 years.

COSCARELLI: I totally agree. It`s just not true. I think if the flavor is there and the texture, that`s all that matters. You like it?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The pesto is fantastic.

COSCARELLI: The pesto -- it`s creamy and it`s made with no cheese. Traditionally people put cheese, lots of oil. Instead we use avocado which is a natural vegetable. It`s a great ingredient.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So an avocado provides the fat and then the basil itself provides the pesto flavor, right?

COSCARELLI: Exactly. And then I like to season it with some sea salt and pepper and a splash of lemon juice which brightens the flavor and some garlic. Because who doesn`t love garlic?