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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Doctor Wanted for Murder Kills Himself

Aired June 15, 2012 - 19:00   ET

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Here`s what we`re covering tonight. Some major developments in the case of that prominent Buffalo, New York, surgeon accused of gunning down his ex-girlfriend in the hospital where they both worked and then going on the run. The nurse, she was the victim. A nurse.

Did this doctor have a complete personality change over the past few weeks? This is just one of the big stories we`re covering right now.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight the darkest of secrets revealed. A 32-year- old science teacher accused of having sex with a 14-year-old student for almost a year. Sending him "I love you" texts inviting him to hotel rooms. So why is this accused predator roaming free? Tonight I`ll talk to Owen Lafave, the ex-husband of notorious convicted sex offender and former teacher, Debra Lafave.

And new arrests in an international murder mystery. A beautiful Irish exchange student found strangled in a Tokyo hotel room. Now cops arrest a 19-year-old American teen. What happened in that hotel room? Is this another Joran Van Der Sloot?

Plus emotions run higher and higher in the Jerry Sandusky sex abuse trial as alleged victims relive their hellish experiences on the stand. As the defense gets ready to start, will the former Penn State football coach take the stand? And new accusations that Sandusky`s wife may have ignored screams for help from the basement of her home. What does Dottie Sandusky know?

And bloody victims now speaking out, saying their fear is it`s stars gone wild. Cops investigating the bottle-throwing brawl that some claim involved Chris Brown, Drake and their entourages. Could either of these pop stars be charged?

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Those stories in a moment. But first, breaking news. The nationwide manhunt for prominent surgeon Dr. Timothy Jorden is now over.

Cops say Dr. Jorden shot and killed himself in the woods near his upstate New York home. The doctor-turned-fugitive was found still wearing his hospital scrubs. His body discovered this morning just 48 hours after he allegedly shot his ex-girlfriend, Jackie Wisnieski, several times at point-blank range. It happened inside the hospital where they both worked. She was a nurse who had dated him. They had recently broken up.

After the shooting Dr. Jorden vanished, prompting a frantic search, a manhunt really. Fears that he could have escaped across the border to Canada. The surgeon was a former Army weapons expert. Police warned he was armed and extremely dangerous.

Straight out to investigative journalist Michelle Sigona. Michelle, details still coming in at this hour. What can you tell us?

MICHELLE SIGONA, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: I can tell you that I just got off the phone a little while ago with the West Seneca police, Jane. And what they told me is that where Jackie lived in her own community, she filed a police report in February against the doctor for harassing phone calls. An investigation took place; they moved forward. But unfortunately, she did not want to file anything further.

I can tell you that since Wednesday "America`s Most Wanted" has been tracking this story and in very close touch with Buffalo police and actually got the call earlier today before anyone else knew that his body was found near his property and that he did pass away from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Once again, a foreshadowing of what`s to come with the harassing phone calls that the judicial system refuses to take seriously. It`s really time that our court systems stand up for women, and when they are harassed by an ex, something is done. Something to protect them.

Last night on this show I spoke with the anonymous doctor who did a rotation under Dr. Jorden. Listen to what she said when she heard about this shooting and how this doctor would talk about his ex- inside the hospital when they were working.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (via phone): I got a phone call from one of the other residents last night telling me the news. And none of us were shocked because he is an excellent surgeon. You know, patients would often request him, demand to be seen by him.

But he always had this complex with his, at that time, ex-wife. You know, he would often talk to the residents about how nasty she was and, you know, cursing her left and right. So it was kind of obvious that he had this ongoing conflict with her.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Michelle Sigona, what have neighbors been telling you about this Dr. Jorden who is now dead?

SIGONA: I spoke with neighbors this morning, Jane. And what they said was that, first of all, his appearance has drastically changed. He dropped at least 75 pounds in recent months.

Another neighbor had come home recently from being away all winter and was just shocked and floored at the way that his home looked, because it was just -- it was in disarray. It wasn`t taken care of.

Another -- the same neighbor -- excuse me, had told me that he always came home, whether it was morning or night, was wearing his scrubs. And that I called that neighbor back just a little while ago. And she said that last year the girlfriend was seen at the house in the neighborhood in the private area with her son, taking walks. So it was something that, you know, she did come over pretty frequently up until the point when they broke up.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Again, the headline, this man is now dead, this prominent doctor. And reports that he had been allegedly harassing this woman that now cops believe he gunned down inside the hospital. She was a nurse. Now this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police say this former science teacher here at Imagine Schools was arrested yesterday for allegedly having sexual relations with one of her 14-year-old students.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sent the boy text messages that said, "I love you." Do you love this boy?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you having a relationship?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re charged with four counts of first-degree felony and three second-degree felonies.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police say that boy came to him in April, saying he had sex with her several times in her car, motels, even her own apartment.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not supposed to be around any kids or any activities.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What are you going to do as far as work?

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: In Florida tonight it has happened again. A beautiful 32-year-old science teacher accused of carrying on an illicit sexual relationship with a 14-year-old boy, a student.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not supposed to be around any kids or any activities.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What are you going to do as far as work?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You sent the boy text messages that said, "I love you." Do you love this boy?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you having a relationship?

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Teacher Irene Khan was arrested on four criminal charges for allegedly having sex with the eighth-grade boy. But the judge let her out of jail without having to pay a single penny.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re charged with four counts of first-degree felony and three second-degree felonies.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We want community supervision so that she has to be able to check-in. We want absolutely no contact with any children under the age of 18.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Cops Irene Khan initiated the inappropriate contact with the boy after he wrote his phone number on the chalkboard intending for one of the girls in his class. Cops say however the teacher herself then got the number and texted him and proceeded to seduce him in her car.

You`re looking at her there wearing the hoody.

Investigators say the affair went on for ten months and was exposed after the student`s mom reported Khan to the police. Cops say they found a treasure-trove of evidence against the former teacher, including credit card receipts for beachfront motel rooms and text messages saying, quote, "I love you" and asking for a kiss.

Now, we tried to reach the attorney for this woman. Was not -- we were not able to. They have a standing invitation to come on our show. We want to be fair. We want to hear both sides. You, ma`am, or your attorney invited on any time.

But straight out to psychologist Wendy Walsh. Why would a 32-year-old teacher, an attractive woman, seduce -- if in fact she`s guilty, we don`t want to convict her, and carry on an affair with an underage boy -- a 14- year-old?

WENDY WALSH, PSYCHOLOGIST: Because she lost sight of her boundaries, Jane. This is all too common with young teachers. They live in a highly sexualized environment of burgeoning hormones and burgeoning sexuality. And they forget they`re the adult in this situation, Jane. And that`s exactly what happened to this young woman.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you know, here`s what`s interesting. These aren`t the only charges against her. She`s also got a pending charge for possession of marijuana. So you can put that into the equation as well as a person in recovery. I know that when you`re using, you`re not using common sense.

One of the most notorious teacher sex scandals, of course, was Debra Lafave, the stunningly beautiful teacher. You remember her. She was arrested and charged with two felonies after admitting to sex with a 14- year-old student, same age as this case. And there she is.

The whole world was flabbergasted because she is such a beautiful woman. And her charges included having sex with a student in a van, in the back of a van while another young boy, another student, was driving. Listen to this.

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DEBRA LAFAVE, CONVICTED OF HAVING SEX WITH STUDENT: My greatest regret would probably be the fact that I put this young man through this.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Straight out to Owen Lafave. You are the former husband of Debra Lafave. You`re the author of the book "Gorgeous Disaster," a great book about the trauma you endured, having to live through that entire case as the then-husband.

Why do women do these things? Why do these teachers get involved with 14-year-old boys?

OWEN LAFAVE, FORMER HUSBAND OF DEBRA LAFAVE: Well, you know, I think the good doctor hit it on the head. I mean, there is this breakdown of boundaries, and everyone is motivated for various reasons.

But oftentimes these teachers believe they do have an emotional connection with these children. And quite frankly, it is rape. And they are predators. And they are in a position of power and authority, and they just don`t respect that boundary.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not supposed to be around any kids or any activities. So what are you going to do as far as work?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You sent the boy text messages that said, "I love you." Do you love this boy?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you having a relationship?

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: This woman accused as a science teacher of having a sexual relationship with a 14-year-old boy.

Now, she was let out of jail without paying a single cent. She only asked to stay away from anybody under 18, including the alleged victim, submit to random drug testing. She`s not to be involved with any school activities. Listen to this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I am pleased that it was set at a non-monetary bond. It allows her to get out and go on about her life.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Matt, get on with her life? Obviously, that`s her attorney, thrilled. Yes, if I was her attorney, I`d be thrilled too. But what about the community at large? Is it because she`s a woman that the -- is there a reverse sexism going on here?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, first of all, Jane, it`s completely outrageous that she`s walking the streets. If in fact she did this, she is a threat to the community. She`s a threat to teenagers, and there is a double standard for women.

If a man had done this to a young girl, do you think he would still be walking the streets now? I don`t think so. And I think we`ve seen it time and time again with women defendants in these types of sexual cases where they`re let off easy. And this is just another example of it. Of course they`re saying there`s no evidence here, but there are witnesses to this.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you know what? I think our judicial system is just haphazard. It`s scattered.

Here`s an example. The soccer mom. You know that soccer mom madam, who was accused of running a high-priced prostitution ring in New York? She claims it was just an adult dating service. Police threw her in jail. She`s been in jail for what? Weeks and weeks and weeks.

Listen to her talk about her son visiting her in the infamous Riker`s Island prison with NBC.

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ANNA GRISTINA, ACCUSED OF BEING A MADAM: Knows I`m in jail. After three months he came to see me here. And he cried the whole time. And begged to stay with me.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: And that`s a victimless crime, according to some people.

Then there`s former Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandusky. We`re going to get to him in depth in a couple of minutes. But he`s accused of 52 criminal counts of sexual crimes against boys. He was only on house arrest. There are allegations he sodomized young boys repeatedly.

And now this woman, who allegedly had sex with a 14-year-old student, allowed to go home. There`s no consistency in our criminal justice system, Matt.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Absolutely, Jane. I mean, look, you have all these defendants walking the streets. They`re able to sit at home at leisure under house arrest for these horrible, horrific crimes that they`ve done to people. Where is the justice there?

And then the victims look -- they look at the justice system and they feel -- they feel slighted. They feel like the justice system isn`t looking out for victims. That`s why victims` rights advocates are so loud. They`re screaming at what they`re seeing as all this injustice there and all this disparity between the people who are allegedly committing these crimes and the actual victims who are suffering.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Owen Lafave, you`re the former husband of Debra Lafave.

Now, this woman, she`s not Debra Lafave, but she`s an attractive 32- year-old woman. Debra Lafave, your ex, was widely regarded as absolutely stunning, gorgeous. And there seems to be -- either we -- either we only hear about the ones who are attractive, or there seems to be this commonality with very attractive teachers having these illicit relationships, allegedly, with their students.

Is it because, do you think, that the students are so hot for teacher that, in other words, they`re going after the teacher?

LAFAVE: No. I don`t think that`s the case at all. I think actually what we are seeing through the media is the attractive ones do reach the national attention. But this is something that`s very persuasive -- pervasive, rather.

But I tell you what, Jane, you want to send a message? Put these people in jail. We need a deterrent. And when they are set free and they`re just, you know, able to walk around, I think these teachers realize that all they get is a slap on the wrist, and there`s not enough deterrent.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Wendy Walsh, psychologist, first of all, during the Debra Lafave case, I remember arguing with men who said, "Oh, I wish I was abused that way when I was in school." They refused to take it seriously, because she was good looking, thinking that the boy was somehow lucky.

But we know that these boys, their lives are devastated when they are seduced by a role model.

WALSH: Yes. Sexual abuse by somebody who holds power over another can be really psychological -- psychologically damaging and cause mistrust of relationships and all kinds of anxiety and depression disorders in the long run, Jane.

But you know, one of the reasons, going back to your question about why the hot teachers? Well, you know what? The attractive young women in our culture are more likely to be sexual abused themselves, more likely to be highly sexualized and have more sexual attention brought on them. So then they enter that world of these, you know, exploding hormones of teenagers, and they forget they`re the adult.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: An unfolding international murder mystery here in Tokyo. A hotel guest complained of a loud noise coming from a room. When hotel workers got to that room, they heard someone saying in English, "She`s not breathing."

Police say Furlong was unconscious, a 19-year-old American man the only other person in the room.

His music was used to worship in churches across the mid-south.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Even with him going overseas (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: An American teen arrested for strangling a beautiful young exchange student in a Japanese hotel. Allegedly. How did a young Christian musician become an alleged murder?

The victim, 21-year-old Nicola Furlong. Beautiful young lady. You`re looking at her right there in obviously a happy time when she was celebrating. She`s now dead. She was from Ireland. She was found choked to death after attending a concert in Tokyo.

Her alleged killer, 19-year-old Richard Hinds, is from Memphis, Tennessee. He was also at the concert, and it turns out we`re learning tonight he`s a well-known Christian pianist. Watch him play from YouTube.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Cops in Tokyo say Hinds confessed, sort of, to pressing his victim`s neck with his hands. But he claims he did not mean to kill her. So we`re going to talk to an attorney about how that might work.

Published reports state the suspect is caught on video wheeling his victim to her hotel room in this posh Tokyo hotel. Cops suspect she was unconscious because they believe her drink was spiked.

Neighbors who know Hinds are in complete shock. He`s a talented pianist.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s really astounding because really -- I would really have to see that. I just can`t believe that. I really can`t. I really can`t.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. The suspect in the back of a police car in Japan. You can see the lights flashing. This is huge news in Japan and internationally. You can`t really make him out. There he is.

Straight out to defense attorney Matt Simono (ph).

Matt, how is this suspect going to be tried for murder in Japan? He`s a United States citizen.

MATT SIMONO (PH), DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Right. Obviously he can be tried in Japan because the crime committed -- was committed in Japan. But Ireland, where the victim is from as well as the United States, could execute a warrant for his extradition to those countries to be tried for murder, as well.

So it gets very complicated, Jane, with all the different countries involved, all the different places where these -- these players are involved from the different countries, and all the different laws that are involved. So it`s -- we`re going to have to see how it plays out. But it`s very complicated from a legal perspective.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Fascinating story. What a tragedy. This beautiful girl gone tonight. Wow. We`ll be right back.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: More graphic and disturbing testimony is being uttered in court from some of the alleged victims in the Jerry Sandusky sex abuse case.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In the "New York Times" interview, there was also -- remember, it was videotaped. It wasn`t just a print interview, and there was a point about where Jerry Sandusky said, "I`m attracted to children, young boys."

And then you hear his attorney in the background saying, "Not sexually."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Alleged victim No. 6 said Sandusky referred to himself as the tickle monster, and he said he was 11 when Sandusky wrestled and tickled him in the showers. And he said that made him uncomfortable, but he says he doesn`t remember what happened next.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But the district attorney at the time very well- known in these parts, he did not decide to file any charges.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Victim No. 9 who in the grand jury tells just a horrific story of being raped by Jerry Sandusky in Sandusky`s basement. And victim nine cries out for help, knowing that Dottie Sandusky is upstairs, but no one comes to help out.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: A highly emotional, jarring week of testimony in the Jerry Sandusky trial. The vivid details had some many in the courtroom in tears. Some of the allegations so graphic we can`t even describe them to you.

Mark Brennan from FightOnState.com was inside the courtroom.

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MARK BRENNAN, FIGHTONSTATE.COM: I don`t want to get into the most graphic of it, but serious sexual -- I mean, sodomy, basically is what it was.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And this was in the home allegedly of Sandusky?

BRENNAN: Yes. Screaming in the basement and nobody helping him.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now the burning question for all of us is what did Jerry`s wife, Dottie Sandusky, know?

There was compelling testimony yesterday from alleged victim No. 9, who said he screamed, screamed for help when he was in the basement during one assault, alleged, by Sandusky, hoping that Dottie, the wife, would help him somehow.

"In Session`s" Jean Casarez was in the courtroom.

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JEAN CASAREZ, TRUTV`S "IN SESSION": This young man also alleged -- -- there`s no other way to say it, anal sex, and that`s the most serious charge here against Jerry Sandusky.

But the defense has Dottie Sandusky on their witness list. So they may call her to say, "Nobody ever screamed in my house at all."

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Was the soundproofing in the Sandusky home really that good? How could Dottie not know what was going on in that basement for all of those years?

I mean, my gosh, one young boy -- this young boy who testified said he spent 50 to 100 nights in that basement. How can a wife see a boy go down to the basement of their home and hear him go down there and spend time with this kid 50 to 100 times without figuring out something ain`t right? Something is just not right.

I want to go to David Clohessy, director, Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests; you are a sexual abuse survivor. What about this focus on Mrs. Sandusky that this boy is saying he`s screaming, screaming in the basement? She`s upstairs, she doesn`t hear anything. She may end up testifying about that. But what are your thoughts?

DAVID CLOHESSY, DIRECTOR, SURVIVORS NETWORK OF THOSE ABUSED BY PRIESTS: Well, I think you`re absolutely right. There`s no way any adult, especially a parent, can look at a grown man spending the night with a boy 50 to 100 times and not conclude that something is terribly, terribly wrong. She must have -- even if she heard no screams ever, she must have known or suspected that Sandusky was molesting children.

And not only her, but of course other Penn State officials clearly, clearly knew and suspected. And that`s just -- that`s the real horror here. There always have been and there always will be sick child molesters.

But for heaven sakes, can`t we please, as responsible adults, just pick up the phone and call 911 when we see something that`s creepy involving adults and kids?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, there are many infamous cases where you`d say that somebody who`s is an intimate partner or somebody accused remains clueless to alleged criminality. Yes, we all ask how could a wife not know that her husband is doing something crazy?

Dennis Rader, you remember the BTK serial killer who viciously murdered ten people in the Midwest over a 17-year period. Look at him. He was married for 34 years to a woman who says she did not have a clue.

I want to go out to Mark Brennan, editor for fightonstate.com. You`ve been there in the courtroom. What has the reaction been about Dottie?

MARK BRENNAN, EDITOR, FIGHTONSTATE.COM: I think everybody is wondering a lot of the same questions that you`re talking about. You know, just as living here in state college, Dottie Sandusky was and remains a well-known figure. And I think when some of these allegations are coming out, a lot of people are wondering exactly what you`re saying. How could you have simply this many trips down to the basement with a grown man and a young child alone -- let alone all the other intense allegations that have been filed -- without somebody in the family not realizing.

Now, obviously we`ve only heard one side of that story so far. I`m anxious to see if they would be willing to put Dottie Sandusky on the stand and subject her to the kind of intense cross-examination that she surely will face if it happens.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Beth Karas, correspondent, "In Session", what is the defense case going to be like? Are we going to hear from Dottie? Are we going to hear from Jerry Sandusky?

BETH KARAS, CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Well, she`s on the witness list. And I wouldn`t be surprised if we do hear from her because I think she can offer to the jury that they mentored hundreds of kids over the years. This case involves eight of them taking the stand. But the vast majority of them don`t have any complaints and had a very fruitful loving relationship with them. She could offer that type of testimony.

Also, Jerry Sandusky might very well take the stand. I mean his attorney has alluded to it like his client wants to take the stand. And I wouldn`t be surprised.

Sandusky likes to talk. And maybe he feels he needs to get up there and just deny this. Because if he doesn`t get up there and deny it, there aren`t any denials before the jury except for what his attorney had said.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, but what he has said on camera has just raised so many eyebrows. It`s just unbelievable. And I`d love to see that cross- examination.

Now, onto another major case: new developments in the case of George Zimmerman, the infamous shooter of Trayvon Martin. His attorney, Mark O`Meara confirms he`s gotten a second batch of discovery from prosecutors. The second treasure-trove of information contains a mountain of CDs, seven of them worth information and hundreds of pages of documents.

We`re hearing there are statements from dozens of witnesses plus additional reports from Sanford police and the FBI. Crime scenes, diagrams, photos, surveillance videos, 911 calls Zimmerman made before the night 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot dead; this, on the heels of the arrest of George Zimmerman`s wife Shellie for lying to the judge allegedly.

Matt Semino, you`re with the Huffington Post, you`re an attorney who`s followed this case. This massive, massive mountain of documents; we`re going to start hearing about them when? After 30 days?

MATT SEMINO, HUFFINGTON POST: Yes. The judge ruled on June 1st that once this information is released for discovery, there has to be this 30- day period where the defense gets to review this mountain of documentation, digest it before it`s released to the media.

And at the same time the judge also limited some information that can`t be exposed, such as witnesses` names, pictures of Trayvon Martin`s body -- witnesses` names until the trial starts. This is to protect the witnesses and also respect the privacy of the Martin family -- of Trayvon Martin`s family.

So it`s a very complicated issue with respect to all the discovery documentation and what we`re going to be able to see in the public and in the media.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, the reports are that there are dozens and dozens of witnesses in these reports. But here`s the key. How many of them actually saw what happened on that rainy night? Those are some would say the only people who really count.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police, I just heard a shot right behind my house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He just said he shot him. Yes, the person is dead, laying on the grass.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And you`ve got the 911 calls he made. You`ve got the witnesses calling 911. They`re going to line all of this stuff up. We`ve got visual elements like this video of him being escorted in to police headquarters. You`ve got the still photos of him. Some of them look, well, like he`s fine. Others look like he`s bloodied.

And all of this is going to be dissected by the media before the trial starts because Florida has these open laws -- these sunshine laws.

SEMINO: And that`s what the lawyers for the media argued. And the public and the media have the right, in my opinion, to see this information, digest this information and make their own interpretation, Jane. That`s what the law in Florida calls for, open records -- open public records for the public to be able to digest this and see for themselves what they think.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Your "Viral Video of the Week" -- a beagle welcomes home a soldier from Iraq.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let`s go see daisy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, goodness.

Hi, baby. Hi.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is getting troublesome.

LINDSAY LOHAN, ACTRESS: I`m not taking this as a joke. It`s my life. And it is my career. And something I`ve worked for my entire life.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Breaking news late this afternoon, paramedics rush to Lindsay Lohan at a hotel in Marina del Rey, California. The good news is she is fine. But of course this is against a backdrop of a long list of troubles. The actress` publicist today tells us she`s been dealing with a grueling schedule, working throughout last night. Apparently she was sleeping before shooting a final scene.

Producers became worried when she didn`t come out of her room. So as a precaution they called paramedics. She was not taken to the hospital.

But you have to remember we`ve been talking about this on our show. Recently she was in a car accident on Pacific Coast Highway in a Porsche. She`s been to the rehab numerous times. In and out of court more times than we can count.

We`re happy you are ok, Lindsay. We are rooting for you.

Now onto another celeb story. Chris and Drake were hanging out in the VIP section one minute.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And all of a sudden it got physical; people saying that Drake`s camp started it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Chris Brown was stuck in the middle of this melee and got hit in the face with a bottle.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wild new developments in the R&B singer showdown everybody`s talking about. Take a look. Here is the "New York Post". Is Rihanna the face that launched a thousand bottles? That`s the question. A source close to Brown tells us Ri-Ri who dated both men had nothing to do with the bloody brawl alleged between Chris Brown and Rake and their crews that left a New York City nightclub trashed.

Both Chris and Drake say "it wasn`t me". Drake claims he was leaving when the fight broke out. Chris Brown, seen here in this Global Grind photo shirtless and partying reportedly said he is the victim. The war zone left Brown with a gash on his chin. He posted this photo on Instagram shortly after the incident. And this photo of his bloody bodyguard surfaced post-clash on Twitter. Even one of our guests` friends had to get staples in her head after being hit with a bottle.

Straight out to TMZ news manager, Mike Walters; what`s the latest, Mike?

MIKE WALTERS, TMZ NEWS MANAGER: Well, the latest Jane is that Chris Brown has now talked to NYPD. His lawyer, Mark Geragos had turned over physical evidence to NYPD that shows Chris Brown was not the aggressor. And we`re told actually it shows Drake was the aggressor in the fight.

Now, we`re also told there is videotape of the melee. And the videotape has been given to NYPD by the nightclub. But it was very dark. These nightclubs only in lit areas like the restroom and front door can you actually see what`s going on. So I don`t think the videotape`s going to be much help.

But one other problem NYPD has right now is there`s five victims that have injuries. But most of them are bodyguards and other people connected to the fight. Only that one woman who was a patron of the bar got hit. None of the five have actually filed criminal complaints for battery or for their injuries.

So the normal process is someone has to say, hey, I got hit with a bottle. So nobody`s actually filed anything; so having a hard time finding the suspect. And with no videotape and no witnesses, they`re going to have a hard time charging anybody with any crimes here.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh my gosh. With all those bottles, the recollections are going to be a little fuzzy, if you know what I mean.

WALTERS: Yes. Absolutely.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mike, unbelievable story. And what`s with this expression?

This -- I want to go to Blog Xilla, senior entertainment editor, for GlobalGrind.com, which is run by one of my heroes, Russell Simmons. Xilla, well, you had a friend who was actually there that night. Is this what happened to her or something similar?

BLOG XILLA, SENIOR ENTERTAINMENT EDITOR, FOR GLOBALGRIND.COM: That`s my friend`s friend but she was also trampled -- said she was trampled and stepped over because everyone was everywhere and people were stepping on everybody and trying to get out of the way of the bottles.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did she have any idea what the fight was about or who started it?

XILLA: I heard from her that, you know, it was about Rihanna. She said they were talking about Rihanna. That`s what she told me. And the thing started over Rihanna.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, that wouldn`t shock me. I mean let`s face it, both of these singers dated Rihanna. Chris Brown was in a relationship with her and pled guilty to assault after that infamous photo of a beaten Rihanna surfaced on TMZ. Of course, you remember that photo.

A source close to Brown told us, no, this was not about her. So let`s set the record straight here. Is there a Rihanna rivalry? What do you say?

XILLA: Rivalry, I don`t know. But it`s definitely a factor in the whole thing. I mean they both dated Rihanna; it`s the only reason they would have to really argue. We don`t do that anymore in hip-hop. It`s something to do -- I believe so, yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, look, if there were ever a face and body to launch a thousand bottles, this would be it. Rihanna`s wild ways are front and center in music videos like S&M from Island Deaf Jam.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: She`s controversial, but you can`t deny it, she`s stunning. And she`s very talented. She has been criticized for her alleged partying. We`ve got some photos of her at the Coachella Music Festival two months ago and she was apparently drinking and smoking. She is a young person though. She`s out to have a good time.

She`s not responsible for what happened at a nightclub where she wasn`t attending even if two guys were fighting over her.

More in a second; we`ve got the scoop.

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CHRIS BROWN, SINGER: We aren`t going nowhere. Everybody that`s haters, they`re just still haters. On my real fans, I love you all. I`m not a monster.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: That was Chris Brown on YouTube infamously saying he was not a monster after his assault on then girlfriend Rihanna. And my understanding is he still basically got to stay out of trouble because of that case. He`s not completely out of the woods yet.

Xilla, senior entertainment editor with GlobalGrind.com, Apparently as a result as a result of this melee that made the cover of the "New York Post", "The face that Launched 1,000 Bottles" referring to Rihanna there was an arrest. Tell us about that.

XILLA: To my knowledge, the club promoter got arrested for noise violations and other previous warrants. I think it`s a way to muscle him to get people to talk because a lot of times in our community, we don`t tell what happens. So I thinks it`s more of a way to -- they`re trying to get people to talk; trying to find out if there`s more information.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What about this rivalry between Chris Brown and Drake. Chris Brown we all know him; he`s on every awards show. He`s been in trouble. He`s a fantastic talent. What is this fight between him and Drake?

XILLA: Well, Drake hooked up with Rihanna on Lucky Strike around the time that Drake first came out as an artist. He wrote a song about her. They did a couple of songs since then. They like each other. It was believed that they hooked up. No one knows; they never really said it but it`s believe that they hooked up and I guess Chris would be mad about it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, this is a video that Drake and Rihanna did. There she is with blond hair looking stunning. And this is from Vivo, I think it`s Cash Money Records -- correct me if I`m wrong -- Money Records. There she is. She`s doing a music video with Drake, that`s got to provoke Chris Brown a little bit.

XILLA: It would get someone mad. If my girlfriend was there with someone who`s there at my job, it would definitely upset you a little bit. But I like Chris Brown. I like Chris Brown a lot. I`m not mad at Chris Brown for what he did, if he did anything. He was a victim.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me tell you. All of these people are spectacularly talented. I have seen Chris Brown dance on these awards shows like he is just made of air. Remember that one where he dances from one block to another? So Chris and Drake and Rihanna -- you have (inaudible). Stay out of these kind of melees, because even if you`re talented, this is all they`re going to remember.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: The U.S. government doesn`t really want to end these horrifying wild horse roundups -- these beautiful horses in these pens. look at how these majestic animals that are supposed to be wild are kept once the government rounds them up -- kept by the hundreds of thousands in cramped pens.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Heart-breaking pictures emerging from the wild horse roundup in northern Nevada. Our country`s wild horses forced from the only home they`ve ever known. Running for miles in extreme heat on little food or water, with U.S. government helicopters overhead.

This all happening after the U.S. government agency, the Bureau of Land Management declared an emergency. Oh, they claim they`re trying to help the horses. Really? Critics say these roundups are completely unnecessary and actually, they`re designed to help the industry that would like to have this land for themselves or at least the use of it. And that they`re extremely dangerous to the horses they`re supposedly trying to help.

Look at this video from a government roundup last August, the helicopter actually hits one of his terrified animals.

I want to bring in one of my heroes, Madeleine Pickens, founder of SavingAmericasMustangs.org; SavingAmericasMustangs.org -- America, get involved.

Madeleine, what happened at the roundups earlier this week?

MADELEINE PICKENS, FOUNDER, SAVINGAMERICASMUSTANGS.ORG: This has been one of the most egregious roundups. I mean they`re rounding these horses up in almost 90 degree weather. It`s foaling season and they`re running these babies -- two and three weeks old and they`re running 12, 15 miles. The mothers are pregnant.

There`s no reason to be doing this now, the horses look pretty healthy that are coming in and there are cattle out there grazing. So, you know, it`s time we changed this, this has been going on for so many years. I`ve been trying to work with the government. You know, we have had four years of discussions. And they go along with you, they say yes, we want to listen, we want to do this. Nothing gets done. They are determined to keep doing the same thing.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, and critics say the Bureau of Land Management so businesses can gain access to the land and use it for cattle grazing -- whatever. We reached out for a response to these claims, and the BLM said -- well, the BLM is a multiple-use agency and is responsible for managing healthy horses on healthy range lands in balance with other users such as recreation mining, livestock and others.

You know what; this is gobbledegook. Frankly we`re in a time of financial crisis. We`re trying to get the government to cut unnecessary spending, yet this they do not cut.

Madeleine, is this just -- it`s incomprehensible to me.

PICKENS: It`s unbelievable. I mean the horse is America`s icon. It costs $70 million a year to keep the horse program going, over 10 years that`s $700 million. What are they thinking? There`s nowhere for these horses to go.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s all get involved and save America`s mustangs.

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