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Remembering Rodney King; Adam Carolla Unplugged

Aired June 18, 2012 - 21:00   ET


DR. DREW PINSKY, HOST: Here we go.

Rodney King was misunderstood in life, his public image at odds with the kind of gentle person many of us knew him to be in private. How will he be remembered in death? Let`s talk about it. Call me here at 1-855- DRDREW5.

And after that, my former "Loveline" sidekick, that`s right, Adam Carolla, right here. Did you know he had a rough childhood? Told me a little bit about that every night. Now, does that explain the man he is today? Adam is answering your question, again, 855-DRDREW5.

So let`s get started.


PINSKY: So, we are starting off tonight`s program and welcome with some sad news.

Rodney King, of course, I think people are aware, passed away yesterday morning at his home in California. His fiancee told police she was found -- had found him at the bottom of a swimming pool, his swimming pool. As of now, we do not know yet how he died, however, an autopsy is being conducted.

Rodney was a patient of mine on VH-1`s "Celebrity Rehab" and on "Sober House." We were treating him obviously for alcoholism. I have not seen him for any of these things in a few years and I said repeatedly in this program, somebody with addiction is not active every day in their treatment, they can die.

We don`t know if that had to do here with Rodney`s death but just like a diabetic that doesn`t adjust their insulin every day or doesn`t take their insulin every day is really dangerous for alcoholics when they are not actively involved in treatment.

I spoke to Rodney in April about his sobriety and the LAPD beating that sparked riots in Los Angeles 20 years ago.

Take a look at this.


PINSKY: I can just imagine what it must do to you to have to relieve and revivify those experiences.

RODNEY KING: Yes, but I`m very happy and pleased to have made it alive through it all, you know? I have some good people praying for me and some good people all around the world just, you know, wishing me good luck and hoping that I get well. You know, I get comfortable with myself these days.

PINSKY: I can tell. I can tell.

KING: I don`t drink like I used to.

PINSKY: You ran the program a little bit?

KING: A little. A little.

PINSKY: You are great around recovering people.

KING: Yes.

PINSKY: You`re really good. They love you and you love them.

KING: Oh, yes, definitely. Definitely. I`ll always, you know, be close to the foundation. But I`m -- I`m really comfortable with myself these days and, you know, I put a lot of -- I`ve had a lot of doctors and psychologists I have talked to.

I`ve learned a lot -- I have learned a lot over the years on the affects that alcohol have on the body and that`s what has kept me --

PINSKY: You saw it firsthand with your dad, too?

KING: Yes. Yes. Watching my dad, his life just leave him at the age of 42. So, I`ve seen -- I`ve had a number of alcoholics in the family and a sight of them.


PINSKY: Joining me now, Counselor Bob Forrest and Jennifer Gimenez, who both who had worked with Rodney.

Bob, I don`t want us to rush to any conclusions about him. I`m hoping that -- he had some cardiac problems, as I recall, and maybe some unforeseen accident happened here.

What are your thoughts?

BOB FORREST, COUNSELOR, "CELEBRITY REHAB": Swimming at 3:00 in the morning, that`s what I know.

PINSKY: Yes. Yes.

FORREST: And I just loved the guy, so different from what you thought he was like -- just so gentle and sweet and kind. And saved me that time I was in the lake, remember that?

PINSKY: You tipped your boat over. Yes.

FORREST: Tipped my boat over. And I was like that guy can swim and that guy can pull me up, fully clothed out of the lake and so just really wondering what went on here.

PINSKY: Here is what concerns me. You, when you last sat on this set, you said we are not done losing people to pills. When my patients today die of pills, you know, die, addicts, particularly people that I treated some time in the past and haven`t seen them professionally in recent years, they can get wound up in pills somehow.

When they die young, I always worry that`s the case.

FORREST: What scared me is that he said psychiatrists, I`m seeing a lot of psychiatrist, you know?

Just mourn his passing. He was sweet, gentle soul.


FORREST: But it is -- you know, alcoholism, to me, swimming at 3:00 in the morning.

PINSKY: Jennifer, what do you think?

JENNIFER GIMENEZ, ON "SOBER HOUSE" WITH RODNEY KING: You know, I agree with Bob. I would go swimming with him every day at the "Sober House" and then we went surfing and stuff and he loved swimming. And just to have fallen in and died that way is just -- is so odd. It doesn`t make sense.

And, you know, not only was he a historic figure, but I remember him as a gentle person, like Bob was saying, a kind person. And a man that had -- was suffering from a disease and had a lot of issues to deal with and I don`t know if he dealt with them or not.

PINSKY: You know what`s weird, people believe, even my stage manager Dave, he believed that the night he was beaten, he was on PCP, that you were seeing somebody -- he was -- he was drinking that night, I believe, drunk but he was not on PCP, he was just trying to get away -- run for his life.

FORREST: Yes. And he -- you know, drinking, I went through it with him 100 different ways. Drinking is always the downfall, every which way when he looked at his life.

He didn`t like the position. Sometimes he had difficulty with the position he was in. He used to say there`s no road map to being me, you know what I mean? He would go to 12-step meetings and people have an immediate opinion about he`s either a hero or a villain.


FORREST: So, there was no road map for him. I remember he used to say, you know, Steven`s got all of you guys, meaning sober musicians. Like so there was that weird place in history that Rodney King was in.

PINSKY: Let`s take some calls. Let`s go to Deborah, she is in Florida.

Deborah, you got question for us?

DEBORAH, CALLER FROM FLORIDA: Yes, good evening, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Good evening.

DEBORAH: When I heard this, the very first thought that came to me was "Sober House" And I want to believe in my heart, for as many that you reach out to that you did touch his life and it did make a difference and I really have my condolences go out to his families and all those who are participating with you that I believe something good became of this somehow.

PINSKY: Well, thank you for saying so.

What do you guys think? I mean --

GIMENEZ: I know after the -- when the show was ending, he wanted to open a sober (INAUDIBLE) on his own.

PINSKY: I remember that.

GIMENEZ: He really wanted it. I mean, I saw him after the show ended, we had talked, seen him at a meeting. He really wanted this and he was trying it.

And did it plant a seed? Absolutely. You know, I remember Rodney was the one who came to PRC and knocking at the door asking to be on the show. Like he really wanted it.

And there was a change, you know? There was that moment that I remember that he was sober and in recovery and really was looking forward to his new life.

PINSKY: I want to go to Stephanie in Alabama. Do we have that call lined up? Stephanie? Stephanie?


PINSKY: Hello there.

STEPHANIE: Good evening to your guests as well.

PINSKY: Thank you.

STEPHANIE: My question is I have seen the pictures of when Rodney was beaten in L.A. and my question was he ever checked since then for traumatic brain injury and could that have something to do with his behaviors and affecting his recovery with his addiction?

PINSKY: That`s great question. Remember, we had lots of conversation s about this and some of the professionals, some of the specialists who saw him did have grave concerns about that, remember?

FORREST: Yes. And the idea is, you know, what addicts do is they don`t want the solution to their problems because it`s scary and different and change is scary and different.


FORREST: So, where is the thing that causes that? I always believe it`s -- addiction.

PINSKY: He got hit over the head many, many times, it may be difficult to contain impulses and to have good judgment, follow the direction of people.

Let`s go out to Pam in Indiana -- Pam.

Hi, Pam.

PAM, CALLER FROM INDIANA: Hi, Dr. Drew. How are you?

PINSKY: I`m good. Thanks for calling.

PAM: Dr. Drew, I have watched you for years and I so admire your compassion and your loyalty to your patients. And I`m just wondering tonight how you must feel. We learned about Rodney and who he was. We appreciated him and how much you feel this evening.

PINSKY: Pam, I thank you for asking. You know what happens to me when my patients die, the first thing that happens, I feel angry because I know it didn`t have to happen. And that`s my initial reaction. And I`m sort of in that stage right now with it.

After the anger passes, then the sadness kicks in and the sadness right now, for me, I got to know -- you remember his daughters?

FORREST: Yes, that`s what I thought of.

PINSKY: I felt so devastated for them. They can`t get their head around this and strangely, I`m sort of feeling their pain and I`m feeling my anger and until I know what happened here, I can`t get on with the grieving. I just can`t get on with it.

So, that`s sort of where I`m at, kind of in a stuck place.

How do you feel, Jennifer?

GIMENEZ: I`m angry, I`m angry at the disease because it won this time. And, yes, and I feel so bad for his family. You know, his daughters so beautiful and he was so beautiful and I -- he shared so many things with us, you know, that people did not get to see on TV.

But, you know, he had a painful childhood, too you know? I go, God that poor guy, his poor family. And I`m really angry at the disease.

PINSKY: And let`s remember the one thing he talked about his dad on that little piece of tape you just say, he always said I don`t want to die young like my dad.

All right. We`ll talk more about the life and death of Rodney King. And then after that, we`re going to switch gears, Adam Carolla is going to come on in here and we`re going to sort of relieve our past and answer questions on anything, and talk about his book. The number again, 855- DRDREW5.

Be right back.



KING: The one thing is I`ve learned just to forgive so I can be able to move on.

PINSKY: Is that something we all need to do?

KING: Oh, yes, we all need to -- we all need to take a close look at our -- at our actions, you know, at the way we think, the way we look at another person.


PINSKY: And that was the last time I spoke with Rodney King. Rodney told me he forgave the four LAPD officers who beat him in 1991. Two were found guilty and sentenced to 30 months in prison, the other two were acquitted.

Rodney also told me he didn`t realize his actions would make history.

Take a look at this.


PINSKY: You were just a regular citizen who got caught in something that no one could have ever predicted would have the kind of impact on history. I mean, you didn`t want to be a part of history.

KING: No, I wasn`t expecting to get tossed in -- tossed in history like that. You know, unfortunately, it happens to us unexpectedly, to some of us. And I was one of the unexpected ones to survive through it.


PINSKY: And his famous statement "Can`t we all just get along," came out of his heart that day. He told me in the same interview that they give him a script to read when he got up there and as opposed to reading the script and pouring fuel on the fire that was burning throughout Los Angeles, he just asked for forgiveness and for just to get along.

The LAPD released this very nice statement, quote, "His legacy should not be the struggles and troubles of his personal life but the immensely positive change his existence wrought on the city and its police department."

Back with me are "Celebrity Rehab," Jennifer Gimenez and Bob Forrest.

Jennifer, did he talk to you -- I know he spoke to all of us about the night of the beating. But it took a long time before he talked very vividly about it, didn`t it?

GIMENEZ: Yes. I mean, yes. I think by the time he got into the "Sober House", he was a little bit more comfortable and open and willing to start the process, the recovery process. I know that, you know, at one points, I sat there and said seriously, between you and I here, are you angry at them and he said I`m into the angry. I forgave them.

And you know, when he said, you know, the thing is that everyone thinks that, you know, because I got beat that day, it was new for me. Like I was beat as a child, I had domestic violence, you know, he was exposed to --

PINSKY: Childhood physical abuse. Yes.

GIMENEZ: A lot of it.


GIMENEZ: And that`s -- again, that`s the guy like I just go, oh, my gosh, that poor guy, that kid inside of him.

PINSKY: As you know, Bob and I say, people have bad enough addiction, they need to see him and I, childhood trauma 100 percent, 100 percent these days.

Ray in New York -- Ray.

RAY, CALLER FROM NEW YORK: Hi, Dr. Drew. How are you?

PINSKY: We are good, Ray. Thanks.

RAY: Glad to talk to you.

I`m an African-American retired police it detective from New York City, and my biggest problem with this whole situation is I really do believe what the cops did was wrong as far as beating him wait they did. But we are focusing so much on Rodney King and we are not focus on the 50 dead people. We are not focusing on the $1 billion worth of damage that was done. We are not focusing on the riots.

Keep in mind, the cops did not acquit those cops. It was a jury. And people didn`t riot when O.J. got acquitted.

And I just have a real problem with trying to make Rodney King out as a hero because the bottom line was as cop and following his storyline, I thought he was a thug. And I`m a black man myself.

PINSKY: He was a thug in the sense that the way he behaved that night or --

RAY: Well, first of all, he was thug the way he behaved. I mean, if you think about it, we have to take responsibility for our own actions. He knew -- I have seen his interview where he said, I knew I had to go to work the next day and I shouldn`t have been drinking, I was on parole.

PINSKY: Right.

RAY: And I was like, OK, I screwed up and that`s why he ran. OK, well, you know what if you want to get your life and you want to get a job, then don`t drink when you`re on parole and you`re not supposed to drink. That`s point number one.

And point number two is that he has been arrested since his beating and since his lawsuit victory and all this other stuff. So he is --

PINSKY: You`re right.

RAY: To me, he`s not really a hero.

PINSKY: So let`s talk about this every time he got in trouble again, always around alcohol. Every time. And we never see that, do we? That our patients are on parole, get arrested because of drug use and then go out and do drugs again and get into more trouble? We never see that?

FORREST: That is always.

PINSKY: That`s always the case. That`s the nature of addiction.

FORREST: The question is whether you have forgiveness in your heart, you accept alcoholism as a disease or you think it`s this bad behavior and weakness and thuggism or whatever the words that this gentleman is using.

He wasn`t a thug. He was an alcoholic that never stopped drinking for a period of time to really heal and get himself well.

PINSKY: The scary thing is the part people don`t get, so glad that Ray called in, there are going to be more deaths amongst our patients. That`s the nature of the disease we treat. It`s the nature of it.

He sat here a couple months ago and said there`s going to be more and we are going to know them. We will interface with them. We will have treated them. Because our patients don`t -- they are not like oncology patients who go, doctor, tell me what the chemo agent is, I`ll airlift myself to the cancer center. They go, no, I don`t think I want to do what you`re telling me to and do the family doesn`t support it, they sabotage it in ways they don`t understand they are doing and they don`t do the treatment.

And people who don`t do the treatment, their life is in danger. I`m hammering point all the time and so, people we know that are not doing what we taught them how to do, their life is in danger, very simple and there`s lots of them. There are lots of them and lots of them doing well, too. That`s what keeps us working, the ones that are miracles.

But boy, people we can name here that we are very, very concerned about.

GIMENEZ: I texted him when --

PINSKY: And there`s nothing we can do about it. That`s the crazy thing that people don`t understand about this condition.

Bob, I`ll let you have this final word.

FORREST: Well, here`s the thing, my phones were blinking Sunday morning and I suspected that I knew what it was about, some certain celebrity, it wasn`t. And then when I saw who it was, it was Rodney, I just sat in my living room, like -- because he wasn`t on my list of people that could die last -- Sunday. But there was a lot of people on my list. And it still keeps rolling.

PINSKY: That`s right. That`s -- people, please, that`s why if you love someone with this disease, you got to go to a firm called Al-Anon, where you can let go and let this thing evolve, hope they embrace the treatment that they are offered and it`s a very nefarious, difficult disease. People always wonder why we get involved in treating this condition.

It`s challenging. It is the miracles in recovery. This is one sitting next to me, two sitting next to me.

No, you were bad. Bob, the words, Bob -- frankly, Bob, I would have rather been around Jennifer when she was using than you. I`m just telling you.

So, these are miracles -- this is what keeps us doing the work but if it doesn`t turn out like this, it goes very bad.

All right, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for being here. I appreciate it. Thank you all for your calls.

I`m going to talk a little bit more about Rodney at the end of the program. But now, we`re going to change gears entirely.

A little bit later, my former "Loveline" co-host is here to talk about his new book. The new book is called "Not Taco Bell Material." I`ll explain what that means and we will take your calls. Of course, I`m talking about Adam Carolla. He and I like the old days, right here after the break.


PINSKY: All right. Now, welcome back, as I said, we are switching gears. My friend and former "Loveline" co-host and current host of "The Adam Carolla Show" podcast is with me to talk about his new book. It is called "Not Taco Bell Material" there it s he is holding it up. Hold it up, Adam, get a picture of that. Come on. There he is. There we go. There it is.

ADAM CAROLLA, AUTHOR, "NOT TACO BELL MATERIAL": I`m laughing because I -- I thought I was going to sit at a desk with you, so --

PINSKY: Look, I appreciate you dressed up for this. Well done.

CAROLLA: I was going to skip my rope later and I was like, I don`t need to get out of these shorts and running shoes, remember sitting on the desk and here we are.


CAROLLA: Yes. Yes.

All right. So, Drew, I tell you what you love about this book. There`s some stuff about you in this book, but it`s my family, it is the `70s, with all the depression. It`s all the horrible people.

PINSKY: The horrible stories growing up.

CAROLLA: But some good stories from the present that you would love, like my agent and my publisher. So the back of the book has a picture of me when I was a carpenter.


CAROLLA: It says comedian Adam Carolla in his early days and I have this joke, when people say to me, oh, you were a carpenter, just like Jesus. I go, except for I didn`t gouge the elderly. That`s my Jesus gouging the elderly joke, right?


CAROLLA: So I say, look, let`s put a picture of me as a carpenter on the back and Jesus except for he didn`t, Adam didn`t gouge the elderly. I got an e-mail back from my publisher. Was Jesus known for gouging the elderly? And I`ve check with everyone on my floor and no one seems to know that. Was it in the Old Testament or the New Testament?

Then I get -- then I`m like what? Then I get an e-mail from my manager, my agent, James "Babydoll" Dixon. He said, I agree. Not only was Jesus not known for gouging people but especially the elderly. I like it when they do the joke for you, especially the elderly.

That`s the joke, you idiot. Of course, it`s especially the elderly. Believe the world I have to live in --


PINSKY: You have had to explain things to everything. It`s very frustrating. I know how it is.

CAROLLA: How do you even answer that?

PINSKY: Let`s remind everyone, the reason it`s called "Not Taco Bell Material" because that`s what you were told when you tried to apply for a job at Taco Bell.

CAROLLA: I was 16. I went to the North Hollywood Taco Bell and they said thanks but no thanks.

PINSKY: You`re no Taco Bell material. You`re not good enough.

CAROLLA: Taco Bell.

PINSKY: I thought you own a couple now? Can`t you own a couple now?

CAROLLA: How about Jesus not being known, especially for gouging the elderly, much less anyone else. That`s what I got to deal with. I deal with that on a daily basis. Wow.

PINSKY: I like the way they are doing the math for you.

All right. Listen, we got to talk calls, we got to take a break. We`ve got a bunch of stuff we have to take care of and we are going to talk more about this book and the stories in it. My panic attack, talking to John --


PINSKY: And later on, I`m going to address the news about Jack Osbourne. He`s got some interesting things medically going on.

Again, the number here is 855-DRDREW5. We`ll be right back.


PINSKY: Welcome back. I`m back with my "Loveline" co-host of yore, Adam Carolla. His new book is called "Not Taco Bell Material," because he is not Taco Bell material, but I want to talk to you about the Stern interview you did the other day. I was stunned that -- you`ve known Howard for ten years?


PINSKY: Stunned he did not know about how challenging your upbringing was, about how -- I mean, I, of course, heard every one of these stories 75 times.


PINSKY: But that did he not realize you grew up in a crappy, crappy situation.

CAROLLA: Listen, I`ve -- I`ve found that people look at things, and you know this through your medical practice and just sort of refuse to believe. I mean, you see this with sobriety all the time. People look at me, and they go, you`re White, you`re smart, you must have went to college. You must have grown up with money.

Look at you now. And I go, no, welfare, food stamps, nothing. I was a horrible student. And they go, so what kind of Bentley did your dad have, you know? And it`s like they can`t wrap their mind around, and it`s sort of a compliment, but they -- can`t wrap their mind around.

PINSKY: But you always talk about the inertia of not having money?


PINSKY: I mean, maybe -- that`s not really in this book so much but the ability, you can never -- you know, one bad thing would beget another. You`d get a speeding ticket and then you`d a warrant for your arrest. And then, you --

CAROLLA: Yes. Well, I don`t know if it`s the inertia, but it`s like you don`t have money so you won`t pay nine bucks to park. So, you park your car down the street and not only do you get a ticket but it --

PINSKY: Gets towed.

CAROLLA: You get your stereo stolen. So, it ends up costing you 375 bucks, because you couldn`t pony up the nine bucks or you stop for gas and put in $4 at a time back in the day. But, you put in, you know, five gallons at a time, but you keep stopping for gas. You waste your life. It`s basically -- it`s the ATM theory, which is you go to the ATM and take out 400 bucks, then it charges you two bucks.

PINSKY: Right.

CAROLLA: And that`s, you know, two percent or whatever it is, four percent, one percent.

PINSKY: The point is you only taken out 20 bucks, they`ll charge you two percent.

CAROLLA: Yes. Now, it`s 10 percent.

PINSKY: Yes. Two bucks, rather. OK. let`s go to some phone calls. This is TJ in South Dakota. TJ, what do you got?

TJ, SOUTH DAKOTA: Hey, Dr. Drew, Thanks. Adam, Mr. Carolla, long- time listener, long-time follower. Your best words of advice that I have taken are, do not do what your parents did to you.


TJ: That`s your one responsibility as a parent.

PINSKY: Hold on a second. We`re looking at the picture. Hold on a second, TJ. He`s looking at a picture of us from the 1990s there behind us.


CAROLLA: Very 1990s.

PINSKY: Oh, my God!

CAROLLA: Very 1990s.

PINSKY: What is that sweater vest?

CAROLLA: Oh, my God!

PINSKY: Honey, I`m so sorry. How did you marry that? Anyway, so, TJ, again, don`t do what your parents did to you, was that -- what you say?

CAROLLA: My piece of advice?

TJ: That`s Adams` piece of advice. I want to know what he did differently to his kids than what he --

PINSKY: Well, his kids hate him. His kids hate him. Your daughter hates you, to be fair.

CAROLLA: Well, she disrespects me.

PINSKY: To be fair.


PINSKY: When Adam comes to pick up his daughter, what does she say?

CAROLLA: Well, I don`t -- listen, she`s nice to me now.

PINSKY: When she was not nice to you, what did she say?

CAROLLA: Oh, she tell -- wait, she tell me, oh, she had pooh-pooh in her diaper when we put her down.

PINSKY: Stay away from me, daddy.

CAROLLA: Yes. She`s the girl who cried pooh. Yes. Horrible book, by the way, if you ever get it. But here`s the thing --


CAROLLA: My kids -- here`s what all I want. My parents were depressed. They were bummed out. It was at 1970s, a bunch of crying Indians, then we watched "roots," and then, we all went to bed, and that`s how it worked. And, I was convince that my parents were miserable on their own but not too happy the fact that they had kids.

PINSKY: Right.

CAROLLA: There`s nothing that led me to indicate that they were having a good time.

PINSKY: Raising kids.

CAROLLA: So, my thing is, I had a dance party with my kids last night. You know, I like them and I tell them all the time.

PINSKY: Look at the depressed family.

CAROLLA: Oh, yes. The party never ends. Yes.


PINSKY: It looked like refugees from Eastern Europe or something.

CAROLLA: I know. I know. That was my grandmother`s rubber tree plant. That`s what we decorated for Christmas. You could see --

PINSKY: Seriously?

CAROLLA: See Christmas bulbs hanging off it.

PINSKY: Put that picture back up there.

CAROLLA: She did not do Christmas trees. She had a dying rubber tree plant.

PINSKY: There`s the bulb on it.

CAROLLA: And if you look to the right there, you can see the bulb. That`s Christmas. That`s -- we decorated a rubber tree. Nothing less festive than a rubber tree plant and nothing says Christmas.

PINSKY: So, it`s a constant party at the new Carolla house, the Carollas of today.

CAROLLA: Here`s what I do. I don`t care about teaching them, you know, five, languages and learning to play the cello. I want them to think that, A, I`m happy, and B, I`m happy they`re here. And I`m happy --

PINSKY: That`s nice.

CAROLLA: I don`t tell them you`re so smart. You`re the greatest. You`re so special. I tell them, I am really into you.


CAROLLA: Like the world doesn`t owe you a living, but I do.


CAROLLA: You know what I mean? And now, let`s dance it up. Put on some Michael Jackson.

PINSKY: There they are. There`s your twins. Jon, what`s up in California? John. And Lynette there. What`s up, John?

JON, CALIFORNIA: Hey, Adam, I love "The Hammer." I thought you were awesome in that movie.

CAROLLA: Thank you.

JON: Hey, I got a question. Are there any movies you have in the works coming up? How does that go for you?

CAROLLA: No, I don`t get to do movies.

PINSKY: You did that Andy Dick film that just was out.

CAROLLA: Yes. I mean -- look, I can do a movie if I can raise a million bucks, and, you know, take a year off and, you know, not -- look, if I get some sort of huge settlement from some accident, I fall off a leader, maybe I`ll make a movie, but I can`t afford it. There`s a handful of guys get to make movies.

Adam Sandler makes the same pile of crap every single year, and that`s it. That`s who makes movies. You have to have a name, have to have a bunch of money, you have to have a studio. There`s no really room for little guys and there`s a little bit of -- like "The Hammer" was rated R for violence, except for it was a boxing movie where they did Olympic-style amateur boxing.

PINSKY: That was the violence?

CAROLLA: The stuff they show on TV on Saturday afternoon.

PINSKY: It was critically acclaimed film.

CAROLLA: It was critically acclaimed. But no, I will not be making any movies. There are five guys, they all make the same movies and that`s it.

PINSKY: Stephanie in California.

CAROLLA: You`re either in that group or you`re not.

PINSKY: Stephanie what do you got?


PINSKY: Stephanie.

STEPHANIE: Hi, Adam. I wanted to tell you how much you remind me of me. Our families our mirrors, but we were all girls. And, I grew up right here in Burbank and was that Taco Bell across from North Hollywood high?

CAROLLA: Yes, it was and it is.

STEPHANIE: I knew it. I knew it. They told me at Del Taco they wouldn`t hire me because I think too much.


PINSKY: Adam can throw a mean weathered feldspar, because (ph) unified made sure you he knew how to do ceramics. That was one thing they taught of.


STEPHANIE: I knew it was going to be over by that high school.


STEPHANIE: But you cracked me up. You`ve always made me laugh. I remember when your twins were born and how funny you were then. You`ve always give a laugh.

CAROLLA: Well, thanks.

STEPHANIE: Really appreciate it, Adam.

CAROLLA: Well, listen, the jokes on Taco Bell because I was going to get that goo shooter that worked the sour cream.


CAROLLA: Very homo erotic if you think about -- just the mechanics.

PINSKY: Thanks for bringing that up. Thank you.

CAROLLA: But I was able to get a job at McDonald`s, where I got another goo shooter this time filled with secret sauce and got to make my burgers with that.

PINSKY: You showed them.

CAROLLA: I showed them.

PINSKY: All right. My producers are telling me we are ending with one old photo of us, I guess -- oh, look at that. Taking of homo erotic.

CAROLLA: Wow. What am I wearing?

PINSKY: I think that was -- when we had the giant telephone. That was that photo shoot.

CAROLLA: I used to tell Drew, but did I not tell people -- I was like --


CAROLLA: -- Nostradamus of horrible ideas. I was like this -- we`re going to look like ass (ph) wipes in ten years when people see this stupid picture.

PINSKY: Here we are.

CAROLLA: Here we are.


Next up, Jack Osbourne`s been apparently diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. We`re going to talk about that. And if you have a question, Adam`s going to stick around. We`ll take any topics, 855-DrDrew5. 855- 373-7395. Don`t go away.



SHARON OSBOURNE, CO-HOST OF "THE TALK": Jack will be here on Wednesday to talk about his diagnosis, but he`s great. He`s doing really, really good. And I want to thank everyone for all their texts and goodwill.


PINSKY: That was Sharon Osbourne today on her CBS show "The Talk," clearly disturbed with the news that her 26-year-old son, Jack, has multiple sclerosis. He`s 26. He is a recovering man and he is a new father.

Adam, you said you had some questions about what this was that Jack`s got. Now, you and I both know Jack and Sharon. We`ve known them a long, long time. In fact, if you remember, when Ozzy and Sharon were first filming their TV show, their reality show, the episode one, they came and appeared on "Loveline," remember?

CAROLLA: Yes. The Osbourne. Yes. So, I don`t know today what anything means. I don`t know --

PINSKY: It`s not like your mom`s fatigue or whatever she had or, you know?

CAROLLA: How dare you. That was -- she had to consult her biorhythm wheel to figure out if it`s a critical day or extra critical day.

PINSKY: Right. This is the real deal.

CAROLLA: So, what is it?

PINSKY: Multiple sclerosis is what`s called demyelinating disease. Meaning, your immune system for reasons we don`t fully understand attack the sheaths of the nerve in your brain. And in doing so, they can cause little areas of brain damage, and there`s different versions of it.

There`s some that`s rapidly progressive, some that`s relapsing and remitting. And people, the treatments are excellent today and people can live for decades. I`ve got patients have had it for 20 or 30 years. They have some progression, but they can do very, very well.

CAROLLA: Better to get it later on than to get it earlier on, right?


CAROLLA: Or not?

PINSKY: But no, it depends on which version you have, frankly, and whether you respond to treatment. The problem is that when you get these attacks, again, you can get blindness, you can get movement problems, you get sensory problems, balance problems, it will leave behind some residual, some little problems still, and they can accumulate over time.

That`s the basic picture. You know, he can live a long, long time with this. He really can.

CAROLLA: Well, let me -- I got this, first off, remind me to talk about this balance thing for a second, and I got that to get back to. I just can`t stand when people want to attribute everything to something.


CAROLLA: Like, oh, he was fat when he was kid. That`s -- oh, and then did he drugs, that didn`t help, you know, everything else. But we all know people that were -- you know, some people get S happens, basically.

PINSKY: There are giant textbooks of medical illness that afflicts people, and most of them just happen.



CAROLLA: -- ms at 26, it just happens.

PINSKY: Just happens. That`s right. And we -- you know, it`s associated with northern -- you know, like Scandinavians or stuff, maybe they think there`s a virus up north. They can`t figure out what really is causing it, but it`s definitely your immune system attacking you. Going to go to a call. Fran in Arizona -- Fran.

FRAN, ARIZONA: Hi, Dr. Drew.


FRAN: I just wanted to let Jack Osbourne know that I was diagnosed at 23. I`ve had it for 25 years.

PINSKY: There you go.

FRAN: And because of disease-modifying drugs that are out there now, I still couch my mobility and I`m able to walk unassisted.

PINSKY: There you go.

FRAN: So, there really is help out there.

PINSKY: Are you on Copaxone or something like that?

FRAN: Not anymore. I`ve recently been diagnosed with secondary progressive.


FRAN: But, as long as he keeps moving and is really good about -- diligent about his physical therapy, he`ll do well.

PINSKY: That`s right. Fran, I appreciate that. Thanks for bringing this up. It`s a nice sort of tip of the hat to, you know, people that do have MS and live a long, long time. let`s go to Russell in Michigan.

CAROLLA: Hold on.


CAROLLA: Speaking of balance, did you see the guy walk across the Niagara Falls the other day?

PINSKY: I did.

CAROLLA: With the jump rope tied to his ass and the roller skate dragging along.

PINSKY: I didn`t understand that part.

CAROLLA: That ain`t walking a tight rope. I`d try that on three Heinekens.


CAROLLA: I mean, you know me, I got pretty good balance.

PINSKY: You`re pretty good. You might -- jump --

CAROLLA: Somebody said, look, here`s a couple of mop handles, don`t worry, but if he`s a daredevil, then window washers are daredevils too, right?


CAROLLA: Going down the side of a building. Yes, with a rope on him.


CAROLLA: So, if he falls off, he falls three feet, not 300 feet into the falls, right?

PINSKY: Just hoping people would kind of miss that.

CAROLLA: I saw him dragging a -- basically mountain climbing equipment and he was tethered to it, and he was dragging behind. That ain`t tight rope walking.

PINSKY: The headline is the guy with the mop handles.

CAROLLA: It`s called death-defying not embarrassment-avoiding.


CAROLLA: You know what I`m saying?

PINSKY: I do what you`re saying. Russell in Michigan. Russell, real quick.

RUSSELL, MICHIGAN: Hey, Dr. Drew, Adam. How are you guys doing?


PINSKY: Good, Russell. What`s up?

RUSSELL: I got a question for you. The other day I heard on television from an addiction specialist that he said sexual addiction is not really an addiction because of the fact that you don`t have the sweating and the vomiting and the withdrawals --

PINSKY: People, Russell -- he`s never then really dealt with sexual addiction, because true sexual addiction, people go through withdrawal. It`s not the same intensity of withdrawal as with a drug, a chemical, but people -- have you ever known anybody that has this. When people get it, it`s awful, real-deal sexual addiction.

CAROLLA: But here`s the deal. When you are on heroin, and then you try to kick heroin --

PINSKY: It`s no doubt.

CAROLLA: Cold turkey.


CAROLLA: But you ever really go cold jerky, you know what I mean?

PINSKY: I know what you mean.

CAROLLA: I got a little methadone and I smuggled it into the building. You want to know where I hid it? In my sack. You see what I`m saying?

PINSKY: I see what you`re saying.

CAROLLA: Do you ever really have to kick?

PINSKY: Well, it`s like an eating disorder.

CAROLLA: You have the internet, did you not?

PINSKY: It`s like an eating disorder, eventually, you have to eat, and they have something called a circle plan where there are certain behaviors --

CAROLLA: Circle what?

PINSKY: Plan. Just easy.

CAROLLA: OK. Some frat thing?

PINSKY: Just easy.

CAROLLA: Who eats the cookie when you do the circle plan? Am I confused? I saw this frat --


CAROLLA: I didn`t go to college. Keep going.

PINSKY: I need you to stop. Um -- yes.

CAROLLA: How many dudes in the circle?


CAROLLA: And how is this going to help?

PINSKY: Oh, my God. So, they have a plan and the --


PINSKY: -- you can`t do and certain things you`re allowed to do, and eventually, they get things enter the circle, inside the circle where they can bring to the outer parts of the circle and regain their behavior just like with the eating disorder, they could eventually just eat normally. Just trust me, it`s a construct.

It`s not worth arguing whether it exists or doesn`t exist. People suffer from it. You know it. There is withdrawal and it does help people to construct it that way. I`m not going to let you say another word, because I`m going to calls. I`m going to go to a break. You get me all flustered, and then more calls after this. So, here we go.

CAROLLA: All right. I want to go to a circle.


PINSKY: The Daytime Emmy Awards are this Saturday, June 23rd at 8:00 p.m. You can catch every second live right here on HLN. That`s right. Favorite soap stars, talk show hosts and I`m going to be there. You want to join us to enter our contest, go to, you might win a trip to see the daytime Emmys in person. I`m going to be at the -- I`m going to present at the Daytime Emmys --

CAROLLA: Really? Wow!

PINSKY: Kind of sweater vest for this -- massaging your shoulders at the Emmys.

CAROLLA: Do they televise that?

PINSKY: Yes, on HLN.


PINSKY: Yes. Thanks, Adam. Let`s go back to the calls.

CAROLLA: It`s the daytime Emmys.

PINSKY: We`ve got a couple of minutes. That`s right, Adam. Ashley in Louisiana. Ashley, snap back --

CAROLLA: Is that like the tech awards?

PINSKY: No. It`s not tech awards.

CAROLLA: But they do it like the day before?

PINSKY: Yes. That`s a little bit -- this is daytime

CAROLLA: Aha. Daytime.

PINSKY: Ashley.

ASHLEY, LOUISIANA: Hi, Dr. Drew. It`s so good to talk to you, such an awesome person, both of you all. Oh, my God. I`m so nervous talking to you.

CAROLLA: What would you rather have, a local Emmy or a daytime Emmy?

PINSKY: I`d rather have a daytime Emmy.

CAROLLA: Really?

PINSKY: Yes, I will.

CAROLLA: Really?

PINSKY: What`s up, Ashley? Adam isn`t listening to you, I am. What`s up?

CAROLLA: Really?

ASHLEY: OK. I just want to ask you this question, because I`ve asked many psychiatrists, a lot of different people, and my first question is and I know (INAUDIBLE) but I`m fixing to be 30 years old and I have a -- like a younger dude that, you know, are in trouble, go to jail and all that and I just can`t seem to get out of it and I always get my -- and I just -- I need some advice for that.

PINSKY: All right. So you, hang on, Ashley, slow down, you go for younger guys that are unavailable and bad boys, right?

ASHLEY: Right. And in and out of jail and drugs and all that.

PINSKY: All right. Got it. Drug addicts. Is that the story of your dad? Was he that kind of guy, too

ASHLEY: My dad, I mean, I hate to say this on the air, but my dad, I have two dads. My real dad --

CAROLLA: Rabbi, family man? Oh, I just had a feeling. No?

ASHLEY: Honestly, I really don`t have nothing to do with my family. It`s just I guess that I just kind of fall for them, because they`re younger.


PINSKY: Slow down, Ashley, I have a minute left --

CAROLLA: Picture winnebago filled with twinkies on fire. That`s what I`m picturing right now. That`s what that -- that`s what her note conjures up in me. All right. So, if you`re attracted to a guy, then all you do is don`t date that guy.

PINSKY: That`s right.


PINSKY: That`s right.

CAROLLA: like me betting on the Super Bowl. Everyone wants to know what team I`m taking, and then, they take the other team.

PINSKY: And they`re always right.

CAROLLA: And then they win.

PINSKY: That`s right. Ashley, it`s a point. Your picker is broken because of the experiences you had in childhood. Horrible experiences in childhood get converted to attraction in adulthood. So, if you`re attracted to a guy, you know it`s that same old story again.

So, A, you can go with guys you`re not so attracted to, which is hard to have a relationship you`re not attracted or B, get therapy. Look at a book called like "Overcoming Love Addiction."

CAROLLA: Oh, how about "Not Taco Bell Material."

PINSKY: Or "Not Taco Bell Material." Here it is. I`m going to hold it up here. What camera? OK. This one, right?

CAROLLA: True. I know I always say this one, but like what about just, you know, people don`t have money, they don`t have resources, they don`t have insurance, how about just the simple act of like self- discipline? Like, I`m going to get up and start running every morning.

I`m just going to run five miles every morning. I`m going to shed this extra 20 pounds. I`m going to stop eating like crap. I`m going to start really going yogi on my own ass. Like, I`m going to start --

PINSKY: It`s a good idea.

CAROLLA: -- disciplining myself.

PINSKY: When do you that, I`ll come with you. I`ve got to go to break. When we come back (ph), some personal thoughts about Rodney King. Be right back.


PINSKY: All right. I got just a little bit of time here, but I wanted to bring Nikki McKibbin. She was working with -- she lived with Rodney King. She, of course, was an "American Idol" contestant. Nikki, I wanted to give you a chance. I know you loved this man. We all did, and give you some final -- chance to say some final thoughts.

NIKKI MCKIBBIN, ON `SOBER HOUSE` WITH RODNEY KING: Um, yes. You know, I think I was -- last time I was on the show, I was saying that, you know, Rodney taught me a lot about compassion and forgiveness and understanding, just because of all the things that he had been through.

And I think that it`s so sad that people are coming down on him and accusing him of, you know, the riots and all that stuff and how bad of a person he was as well as you, you know? People, addicts like myself, you know, we get unfortunately -- you know, people die every day who are in rehab and who are in recovery and, you know, I, myself, am sitting here living proof that, you know, what you do works.

PINSKY: Thanks, Nikki. I got to go. It`s very sad. I appreciate. You look great, honey, and it`s just a sad day. Thanks to you all for watching. I do appreciate your calls. And guess what? Up next, Nancy Grace starts right now.