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Jerry Sandusky Found Guilty; Health Care Decision Looming; Moody's Downgrads 15 Banks
Aired June 23, 2012 - 07:00 ET
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RANDI KAYE, CNN ANCHOR: From CNN World Headquarters in Atlanta, this is CNN's SATURDAY MORNING.
KAYE (voice-over): The verdict is in. Jerry Sandusky guilty of sexually abusing ten boys.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jerry rose. I saw some tears in his eyes.
KAYE: This morning, reaction to the verdict and new details about the jurors who convicted this one-time hometown hero.
Also ahead this morning, the big wait. And for some, the big worry. What will the Supreme Court decide about Obamacare and how will it affect you? We are looking at all the angles ahead of next week's pivotal ruling.
And yes, we went there. Resident comedian Bill Santiago hits the streets of New York to talk and sing. What else?
BILL SANTIAGO, COMEDIAN (singing): Obamacare --
KAYE: Good morning, everyone. I'm Randi Kaye. It is 7:00 on the East Coast, 4:00 a.m. on the West. Thanks for waking up with us.
You are probably waking up to the news that Jerry Sandusky was found guilty very late last night. The jury found him guilty on 45 of 48 counts all related to instances of sexual abuse of young boys.
Sandusky was immediately taken into custody, handcuffed and taken away. Since it happen so late last night, let's give you a sense of what went on after the verdict. Listen to this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Guilty of 45 of 48 counts.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Guilty?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. Yes. (CHEERS)
JASON CARROLL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: As the guilty verdict started to be read one after another, Jerry Sandusky looked straight ahead. He remained absolutely without emotion.
KARL ROMINGER, JERRY SANDUSKY ATTORNEY: We knew whatever the verdict was, we had to honor it. Jerry rose. I saw tears in his eyes. But he's always honored the court process. He's also been a law-abiding citizen in the community, except for these allegations.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What do you say to the Second Mile kids?
ANDERSON COOPER, HOST, CNN'S "ANDERSON COOPER 360": We saw Dottie Sandusky now. This is her leaving, being hugged by well-wishers. There are people who have been standing by the Sandusky family. She is now walking off. Her testimony, clearly not swaying jurors as the defense hoped.
JUSTINE ANDRONICI, ATTORNEY FOR VICTIMS #3 AND #7: The very first calls I made this evening were to the two clients I represent that did testify in the trial. They were greatly relieved. Almost in disbelief, I think. One of them said, thank God he's in jail. The other one expressed sentiments that it was a long time coming.
JOE AMENDOLA, JERRY SANDUSKY'S ATTORNEY: We have always felt that Jerry's would come from a Centre County jury. And we still believe that. The jury obviously believed the commonwealth's evidence, believed the commonwealth's witnesses. That's clear from their verdict.
I've been asked already inside, is that a surprise? No, it was the expected outcome because of the overwhelming amount of evidence against Jerry Sandusky.
LINDA KELLY, PENNSYLVANIA ATTORNEY GENERAL: One of the recurrent themes of the witness' testimony, which came from the voices of the victim's themselves in this case was, who would believe a kid? The answer to that question is, we, here in Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, would believe a kid. Our goal here has always been to bring about a fair and a just result in this case. That goal has been accomplished with the jury's verdict today. And we believe that justice has been served.
KAYE: Pretty powerful moments happening late last night.
Joining me now is CNN national correspondent Susan Candiotti. She's live in Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, for us this morning.
Good morning, Susan.
So, we heard these cheers outside the courtroom when the verdict was read. But take us inside the courtroom. What was the reaction there? SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, you heard a little bit of it. But as you heard the cheers outside, it was much more subdued there, because of the decorum in the courtroom. But Jerry Sandusky appeared absolutely stunned. One of his lawyers, as you heard, did describe he saw tears in his eyes and there were lots of tears in that courtroom.
At least one juror was crying. Jerry Sandusky's children were crying. His wife Dottie appeared to keep blinking, blinking back tears.
And there was at least one victim in the courtroom. He was emotional as well. And his mother said, this is the mother of victim number six. She said, "I thought I would be happy. There's no joy. We all lost."
So, a lot of emotion all around -- Kaye.
KAYE: And what about his sentencing? I mean, he's in jail now. He's going to be sentenced soon, right?
CANDIOTTI: That's right. Probably won't happen until September. And his attorney said he's already going to start working on an appeal.
Jerry Sandusky is no longer smiling like we saw him day in and day out during those nine-day trial. His mug shot has been released. He will be in protective custody in that jail. He was immediately his bail was revoked. And so, that is where he will stay.
He may never see daylight again because of the most serious counts carry a maximum of 20 years. He is 68 years old. So, he may never be out again.
There are so many other remaining questions, Randi, surrounding Penn State University and whether they did all they could have done going back a decade when one of the first allegations came forward. Well, it's no longer an allegation. There was a conviction on at least that charge as well.
KAYE: Yes, and Sandusky --
CANDIOTTI: Nowhere at that time.
KAYE: Right. But Sandusky was acquitted, though, on three charges. So, why is that? What exactly was that about?
CANDIOTTI: Well, one of those involved a felony conviction that surrounded the testimony of a witness, Mike McQueary, a graduate assistant who describes seeing a sexual attack in the shower. The jury did convict in that case, but on a lesser felony charge.
So, I think it is a clear indication that the jurors in this case must have carefully gone over each and every count. Clearly, they believe the young men who testified, the victims in this case. They also apparently had no trouble basing -- getting a guilty verdict on the janitor who also talked to another fellow janitor. So, there was hearsay but they believed that story where they described hearing and seeing another sexual attack in a shower. KAYE: Susan Candiotti, thank you very much for your reporting this morning.
Jerry Sandusky's attorney says the verdict wasn't surprising. But joining me now is attorney Holly Hughes, to talk a little bit more about this.
So, he did say -- he wasn't surprised there was a mountain of evidence. I think he said it was like climbing Mount Everest.
HOLLY HUGHES, ATTORNEY: Right.
KAYE: Mt. Everest, mountain of evidence in terms of public opinion, he said. Anything surprise you?
HUGHES: Well, what surprises me is he -- on one hand, he's out there saying we have all these appealable issues and all this stuff went wrong. Then he's turning around and acknowledging there was an overwhelming -- I believe is the word he used, Randi -- an overwhelming amount of evidence against my client.
So, you know, he's sort of talking outside both sides of his mouth. And I think the better part is, especially if you want to follow, just to say we respect the jury and the very hard work they did. Thank you, good night.
You know, it seems to be at odds with what he's saying.
KAYE: What do you think of the fact it took the jury just 21 hours?
HUGHES: Well, you know, let's talk about that -- 48 charges, 21 charges. Less than half an hour a charge. It tells me from day one, they believed the victims, because there wasn't a lot to talk about.
KAYE: Right. It would have taken longer.
HUGHES: That's exactly right. They weren't talking DNA evidence. They weren't talking about the science and contamination. We didn't have that.
We had these victims who a lot of, remember, Randi, didn't come forward on their own. The police knocked on their doors 10 years after the fact and said hey, you know, did this happen to you? Did this embarrassing, horrible, traumatic, physically and emotional thing happen?
By the way, will you come into a public courtroom and tell the world about it? I mean, the bravery of those young men.
Let me tell you something, the jury saw it and saw it instantly. They didn't take a lot of time for each charge.
KAYE: Yes. They believed it. So, now, we have Sandusky who's facing I think a maximum of 440 years in prison.
HUGHES: Yes. KAYE: But his attorney is saying he'll appeal. Is it worth it?
HUGHES: Well, of course it's worth it at this point in time, because why not shoot for the moon? It's kind of like, Sandusky is one of those predators. He's one of those defendants, I used to say this when I was prosecuting -- he knows you got him dead to rights. But he's going to make you walk him into that jailhouse.
He's not walking in on his own. He's not taking a plea. He's not rolling over and saying you convicted me, you got me.
He's saying, oh, no, government, you jump through the hoops, you do the work. So, they will definitely appeal. But number one, I don't think it's going to be successful. And number two, it doesn't matter what's happening, because no judge in the world is going to give him what we call a supersedeas bond which means while the appeal is pending, you get to be back out on the street.
KAYE: And there could be civil cases, right? These survivors can still bring cases against the university, Sandusky?
HUGHES: Absolutely. I anticipate we will see a lot if they fall within the statute of limitations. So, again, was there immediate outcry. Is there -- if the statute is still open and still good -- yes, I think we're going to see some civil cases.
And I think we're also going to see a lot of policy change. It's one of the things not everybody is discussing, yet. But universities and institutions and employers across the country have to take a step back and say, wow. You know what? Maybe we need to change what we are doing here.
KAYE: If there's good that can come out of his horrible situation, that just might be it.
KAYE: Holly Hughes, thank you very much.
HUGHES: Absolutely, thanks.
KAYE: In Philadelphia, prosecutors are calling a verdict there in a child sexual abuse case, quote, "historic". For the first time, prosecutors brought charges against church leaders for allegedly covering up abuse by a priest.
Monsignor William Lynn was found guilty on one charge of child endangerment. His attorney calls it a miscarriage of justice. Lynn faces up to seven years in prison.
There are two major fires burning out west to tell you about. In Utah, more than 9,000 people have been forced from their homes south of Salt Lake City. Someone target shooting near the dry grass possibly started the fire.
And in Colorado, around a thousand more homes were evacuated after a massive wildfire there jumped a river. The High Park Fire has destroyed nearly 200 homes so far.
We are watching tensions rise in Egypt this morning. Thousands of protesters are overflowing Tahrir Square. In Cairo, they are vowing to prevent what they see as a power grab by the military. Both Islamist candidates Mohammed Morsi and former prime minister, Ahmed Shafik, are claiming victory in last weekend's presidential run off. So far, we are still waiting on the official results.
George Washington's copy of the Constitution fetched $9.8 million at an auction. That is more than three times the expected price. Washington wrote notes on his copy. It also comes with a draft of the Bill of Rights.
The winning bid came from the Mt. Vernon Ladies Association, which will put it on display starting next year.
A made for TV movie helped solve a 30-year-old cold case. Now, another murder victim is tied to the Green River serial killer. How investigators connect the dots.
And a landmark decision expected from the Supreme Court. We are talking about health care. So, which justice could be the deciding vote? It may not be who you think.
KAYE: Welcome back, everyone. Glad you are with us.
The Supreme Court is on the verge of a landmark decision on health care in America. Within the next week, the justices will rule on Obamacare. That is the health care reform also known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
The court will either let the law stand, let parts of it stand, or strike it down altogether. We are focusing on it this morning.
Joining me now to talk about the Supreme Court decision is Robert Schapiro. The dean and constitutional law professor at Emory University.
Good morning to you.
ROBERT SCHAPIRO, EMORY UNIVERSITY: Good morning.
KAYE: So, this is a big decision, certainly. Let's start with -- do you think they have finished their opinion at this point?
SCHAPIRO: At this point, I think the decisions are written. Probably now, maybe just some fine-tuning are the footnotes they like to write, attacking the decisions of others. At this point, I think that's all that's left.
KAYE: Which justices do you think we should be focusing on?
SCHAPIRO: Well, in this court, you always look to Justice Kennedy, who tends to be a swing vote. There's thought that perhaps Chief Justice Roberts would show leadership here and this important opinion of the court.
KAYE: Do they go with the majority? How much -- how often does that happen?
SCHAPIRO: Well, I think in an important case like this, the chief justice will often decide he wants to be the leader of the court, to direct the court and to write the majority opinion. Of course, it's his decision who writes the opinion. In a case like this, the chief often likes to be the author.
KAYE: So, you are a constitutional law professor. Which way do you think it's going to end up based on what you've seen, between the oral arguments and this?
SCHAPIRO: Well, it's always hard to predict. After the arguments, the consensus was it looks like the court might be ready to strike down the law, which is really extraordinary. The court hasn't struck down this kind of major piece of social policy in oh, 70 years, something like that.
KAYE: What exactly, though -- I mean, there's so much to go through. If you look at the material, what do they actually base their opinion on?
SCHAPIRO: The lynchpin of this law is the so-called individual mandate -- the requirement that most Americans will have to buy insurance or pay a fee by 2014. The question is, where does the federal government get the power to tell people they have to buy insurance? There are some cases that suggest as part of regulating the national economy, Congress can do that. But Congress hasn't done something like this before.
And there's also the issue about the expansion of Medicaid, about half of the coverage of uninsured people come through expanding Medicaid, the shared federal, state program for the poor. The question is whether Congress can force the states to add all those people to their budgets.
KAYE: How much impact do you think the arguments had on this?
SCHAPIRO: In general, I think, it's really the briefs and the facts more than the oral arguments. And I think that's probably true in this case as well. It's interesting to see how the advocates do at answering the tough questions. But at the end of the day, I think it's the briefs that make the important decision here.
KAYE: Robert Schapiro, thank you so much. Appreciate it. Nice to see you.
SCHAPIRO: My pleasure.
KAYE: Well, we have just scratched the surface so far. Coming up next hour, we'll talk about some of the common misconceptions and myths about the health care law. And that's coming up at 8:15 Eastern Time.
Usually, it's the most beautiful who wins the pageant. But not in this contest, where beauty has clearly gone to the dogs.
KAYE: Let's check stories cross-country.
In Washington state, a 30-year-old cold case was solved with the help of a made-for-TV Lifetime movie. Twenty-three-year-old Sandra Major went missing in 1982. But now we know she was killed by the notorious Green River serial killer Gary Ridgway. Police had the bones, but never knew who they belonged to. When her family saw the TV movie profiling the case, they sent DNA samples to the police.
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DET. TOM JENSEN, KING COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE: You can't investigate a case if you don't know who the victim is. It's huge for the families and I think it's huge for the investigators who spent a lot of time over the years trying to figure out who these girls were.
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KAYE: Ridgway pleaded guilty to killing 49 women and is serving a life sentence. Three victims have still not been identified.
In Petaluma, California, the world's ugliest dog has been crowned. There he is, Mugly, a Chinese Crested, won 1,000 bucks and a year of doggie treats. He's not so ugly. Well, he came all the way from Britain and beat 28 other dogs to win this contest. They critique dogs based on their natural ugliness.
And in Florida, people got a too close look at black bears. But as Dave McDaniel with affiliate WEFH reports, the bears were not at the zoo.
DAVE MCDANIEL, REPORTER (voice-over): Call it a waltz, a fight, or a test of wills.
The video of the two bears in this Longwood neighborhood is amazing, even to people who live around here and see bears all the time.
TAMMY SNELL, WITNESSED BEAR FIGHT: "Mom, you're not going to believe it. There are two big bears out there fighting." I'm like, what? So, of course, we get up and run out.
MCDANIEL: By the time she got outside, much of it was over. But thankfully, her neighbor has this footage. We shipped it to state wildlife officials, who say it's something rarely seen.
They aren't even sure what to make of it, except that a couple of younger males may have been working to establish territory.
SNELL: They have been up on their hind legs, scratching, and there was blood. I mean, they were mean to each other.
They were fighting and pawing, and all I saw was black fur.
MCDANIEL (on camera): You can't have two adult bears dancing around like that without having something left behind. Look at all of the huge paw prints in this flower bed. And this bush over here was twice as big, and not nearly as torn up until they got done with it.
Even so, Tammy Snell says she likes having the wildlife around.
SNELL: We love to see them. I mean, we're going to keep our pace from them. I mean, we're not going to go up to them and say, "Here, bear, have a cookie," but we love to see them.
MCDANIEL (voice-over): The bears ended up behind another set of bushes, rolled over the air conditioner, and then, just seemed to amble away.
SNELL: They start looking over here at me like, "Do you want some of this?' So I'm like, "OK. I'm getting my door."
MCDANIEL: No harm no foul. The bears just took off. Not at a dead run. Just moving along.
Some neighborhood history caught on video.
KAYE: So much for having to go to the zoo, right?
Looking for a loan from the bank? Be prepared for higher rates and more rejection, as banks get downgraded. Ahead, the costs that will be passed to you.
And an 11-year-old was home alone when three would-be robbers broke. He hid behind drawers. But it's what he did next that's got everyone talking.
KAYE: Nothing like a little Frank Sinatra to start your day, right?
Well, if you are trying to qualify for a bank loan, it may become more difficult after Moody's ratings agency downgraded 15 of the world's largest banks. The agency is concern about their ability to repay their debts. And that means in order for you to borrow money, these banks need to pay off some of what they owe.
Let's welcome Russell Pearlman from "Smart Money" magazine, to the show this morning.
Good morning, Russell.
RUSSELL PEARLMAN, SMART MONEY: Good morning, Randi.
KAYE: So, I guess a lot of folks are watching this downgrade and they are wondering, is this a sign of another recession -- what do you think? PEARLMAN: This is more of a sign that moody's, the credit rating agency and several other folks who watch the bank really missed how risky the banks were in the financial crisis. They are playing catch up.
And you can see the problems in Europe. A lot of people are wondering, well, how tight are the banks to the crisis in Europe and still trying to figure out how much do they owe from our own housing crisis. So, they are telling investors, look, if you are going to be investors in these banks, be aware that we're still not quite sure how safe these institutions are.
Now, from a consumer perspective, this is not going to have this much impact on you. If you have deposits at JPMorgan or Citigroup or Bank of America, you are fine. The federal government ensures up to $250,000 of your deposits per bank. So, if in the very remote chance that these guys go belly up, your assets and deposits are going to be fine.
KAYE: So, nobody should reach to the bank this morning start moving their bank accounts around, is that what you are saying?
PEARLMAN: There's no need to panic. If you want to be safe and have more than $250,000 at one bank, split it up. Have $250,000 or less per bank. But your deposits are fine.
KAYE: So, let's talk about two of the banks here. Bank of America and Citigroup, I mean, they are just notches away from what's called junk status. Is this a breaking point for them?
PEARLMAN: It's not as much of a breaking point for, again, for consumers. It's a black eye. It's a reputation, smack in the face to them. But, from a realistic perspective, interest rates are so low right now. It's pretty easy for them to go out and borrow money and become slightly more expensive at this point. But with the Federal Reserve setting interest rates at zero percent, even this type of downgrade, it only increases their borrowing costs a very small amount.
KAYE: There was a lot of talk this week about something called Operation Twist. Can you give us your perspective on that? Just explain it in simple terms?
PEARLMAN: Sometimes Operation Twist sounds like a dance move or something particularly shady.
KAYE: The feds are dancing with it.
PEARLMAN: That's right. This is kind of the -- this is the nickname that folks have given the Federal Reserves program where they are selling the short term bonds that they own and buying long term bonds.
It's the effort to keep interest -- short term interest rates low. So, it will encourage banks and other institutions to loan money out to anyone who wants a mortgage, who wants a small business loan, who wants a home equity line of credit to spur the economy. There are not that many bullets left in the Fed's weaponry arsenal to be able to try to spur the economy.
They have lowered interest rates to essentially zero now. This is a way to keep them low. It's their last efforts to help spur the economy along. It's pretty much up to Congress and the White House to make any more kind of stimulative actions for the economy.
KAYE: Russell Pearlman from "Smart Money" magazine -- thank you very much.
PEARLMAN: Thank you.
KAYE: Twenty-one hours to convict Jerry Sandusky. A Pennsylvania jury found him guilty on 45 of 48 charges. What was the reaction inside the courtroom? We'll let you know.
And what does it feel like when floods sweep through your hometown? One woman said it feels like a whale is swallowing her up. The dangers still facing Minnesota, coming up.
KAYE: Welcome back. I'm Randi Kaye. Thanks for starting your day with us. Back to our top story this morning, Jerry Sandusky has been found guilty on 45 of 48 charges. Those are all related to the sexual abuse of ten young boys.
The crowd gathered, cheered the verdict. They then watched as Sandusky was brought out in handcuffs and put into the back of a police car. OK. That's what happened outside. "In Session"'s Jean Cesarez was inside the courtroom when those verdict were read one by one.
Jean, good morning to you. So what was it like in there? What was Jerry Sandusky doing as those guilty verdicts were read?
JEAN CESAREZ, TRUTV "IN SESSION" CORRESPONDENT: Jerry Sandusky walked into the courtroom. And he had one hand in one pocket and was just sort of walking stoic. I saw him stoic as he stood. And it took quite awhile, Randi, to read all of those verdicts one after the other, but I think the emotion that caught me was an empty bench that was in the courtroom until almost the last minute.
And three women sat in that bench. And I didn't recognize them. And then all of a sudden, I looked and there was victim number six who had come and sat in the middle of those women. That is the accuser from 1998, the very first young man that stepped forward because his mother called the school and authorities.
He held the hand of his mother, who was the woman that was in the seat before him, so tightly. And he was ah, ah through the verdict. And 2hen the counts were read, she sobbed in silence and his eyes just filled with tears. He was the lone victim in that courtroom we believe last night, but so emotionally affected.
KAYE: To think if they followed it up then how all of this or most of this could have been prevented. Sandusky is going to be sentenced within the next 90 days. Jean, what is he facing? CESAREZ: Well he's facing multiple life sentences truly because of the convictions on so many felony counts. And in the interim, what's going to happen is the Sexual Assault Assessment board is going to do that assessment on him as well as a pre-conviction report. And the sentencing should be in about 90 days, so probably September, but that will be an emotional point because victims can read victim impact statements. We don't know if any will choose to do so. Some may benefit from it psychologically, but the judge will determine his sentence but he obviously will not see the light of day for the rest of his life.
KAYE: His defense attorney, Mr. Amendola, certainly tried to poke a lot of holes, inconsistencies in some of the stories, lack of physical evidence, financial gain possibly, but Jerry Sandusky actually never took the stand even there was some talk that he would, but his wife did. How do you think that played with the jury?
CESAREZ: i thought she was probably the strongest witness they had. What i was surprised about though, Randi, is that I felt because the children were so the summer of this year I spent every single weekend at his house and that's when he forcibly raped me. I thought Dottie Sandusky would bring out the family calendars and talk about how they weren't home this weekend, they weren't home that weekend to raise that reasonable doubt. They did not. In fact she said i don't remember dates. I don't remember when we were at home and when we weren't at home at all. So it didn't help in the defense, but I thought that the motherly, grandmotherly, likable type of person she was would affect the jury potentially because you at that moment that she testified you sort of felt sorry for her.
KAYE: And just very quickly , they say they are going to appeal. On what grounds can they?
CESAREZ: it was a really seamless trial. And the only thing i can think of, but I don't think is reversible error. They could not get a continuance. They fought and they fought o get this case continued. It was months ago that 52 charges were brought against him, but the trial was brought forward. I think that will probably be what they believe is their top issue.
KAYE: Jean Cesarez, thank you so much, great to have you on this morning. Checking other stories making headlines, a formal cardinal's aide could face seven years in prison for helping cover up sexual abuse by priests under his supervision. A Philadelphia jury found Monsignor Lynn guilty of one count of child endangerment. The city's district attorney says the conviction sends a message that church officials will be held accountable.
Parts of Minnesota and Wisconsin are still a flooded mess following days of torrential rains. Hundreds of people had to evacuate, are still waiting to return to home because the roads are simply too dangerous. Floods killed at least three people in Wisconsin. Estimated damage could top $100 million in Duluth, Minnesota alone.
Three robbers were no match for a brave 11 year old. The boy's father had gone out to bring home some dinner. And the boy was home alone when three teens broke in. Well he crawled behind some drawers under his bed and called 911.
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BOY: I was watching TV. I went to get something to drink when i saw somebody throw a hammer like through a window.
911 OPERATOR: Is the person inside the house?
BOY'S FATHER: I felt like I was riding from here to Orlando. It was like when the operator told me that he was in the other line with another operator that's when I - she told me to calm down.
BOY: can you call the police?
911 OPERATOR: They are outside. I want you to stay on the phone.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KAYE: That quick-thinking little boy, Louis, the younger Louis, is just fine. The three suspects are under arrest.
The 68-year-old grandma who was relentlessly bullied by a group of middle schoolers may be getting ready for retirement. Wait until you hear how much money people have donated to her cause.
The father of one of the middle school students filmed viciously harassing a 68-year-old bus monitor says that he has received death threats. The bus monitor, Karen Klein, is receiving an outpouring of support, but her daughter says that some people are just going too far and should stop harassing the four middle school students involved. That's a form of bullying too she says. This story is really shedding a new light on the problem because you don't typically think of an adult as a victim. I went to Greece, New York to talk with the bus monitor who was bullied.
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KAYE: The ten-minute video begins with bus monitor Karen Klein in her seat in the back of the bus surrounded by a small group of seven graders.
STUDENT: Oh my God, you are so fat. You are so fat, kind of like the whole entire seat.
KAYE: The students, al boys, tell Klein, their 68-year-old bus monitor for the Greece Central School District in Upstate New York that she's so fat she'll probably die from diabetes, but it's not just verbal attacks. There are physical threats, too.
STUDENT: You are a troll. You're a troll. You're a troll, yellow troll. How about I bring my knife and [inaudible] you. If i stabbed you in the stomach and [inaudible] my knife would go through you like butter because I [inaudible]. What's your address so I can freaking piss all over your [door].
KAREN KLEIN, BUS MONITOR: i'm not going to tell you.
STUDENT: [Inaudible] you could take a crack at her mouth.
KAYE: Klein takes most of it in silence, hardly engaging the kids except at moments like this.
KLEIN: Unless you have something nice to say, don't say anything at all.
STUDENT: Why don't you shut the [inaudible] up?
KAYE: While everything these teenagers said was cruel, this comment was the most hurtful of all.
STUDENT: You don't have a family because they all killed themselves because they didn't want to be near you.
KAYE: Karen Klein's son had committed suicide ten years ago. It's unclear if the kids knew about his death.
KAYE: Police tell us the video was recorded by one of the boys involved in the verbal attacks who then posted it on Facebook page. Trom there, it was picked up and posted on YouTube. And by Thursday afternoon, it had gone viral with more than 1.6 million hits putting this quiet community of Greece, New York on the map.
GREECE, NEW YORK RESIDENT: I think it's disgusting. Do you know, I raised eight children? If one of my children would have done that, there would be consequences to this. And I don't care what, but you have to have respect and it starts at home.
KAYE: Just 48 hours after the video was posted online, Klein told me these same students have misbehaved before, but never like this. How were you feeling when they were saying such cruel things to you?
KLEIN: I didn't catch them all, but things i did catch I didn't know what to do. I just - it was one of those things. I didn't know what to do.
KAYE: Investigators here have interviewed all four boys involved. They may be suspended or expelled from school for a year, or possibly even charged with aggravated harassment, menacing or stalking, but for now this grandmother of eight says she doesn't want to pursue criminal charges. All she wants is an apology.
Is there anything that these kids could say that would take away the hurt that they caused you?
KLEIN: If they wanted to that they won't do it to anyone else. They thought they were so smart and so smug, make them wipe the smile off their faces too, but I cannot see pressing criminal charges.
(END VIDEO CLIP) KAYE: And this week people started raising money for Karen Klein to take a vacation and the fund has swelled to just about $600,000. She's now considering retiring and may donate the money to an autism or Down syndrome charity.
And by the way, she has received apologies from three of the four boys involved. And I would like to know what you think about this case. Let me know what you think in terms of punishment for these boys? What would you do if you were their parents? Let me know. You can find me on Twitter @RandiKayeCNN. And use the #bullying stops here.
As the Supreme Court decision on health care looms, Comedian Bill Santiago talks to folks on the street to get their take on the landmark case.
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BILL SANTIAGO, COMEDIAN: Obama care used to be Romney care.
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KAYE: Oh, boy. All right, well you can hear what they have to say. We can't guarantee you though you're not going to get more singing from Bill Santiago. We'll be right back.
KAYE: Welcome back. The Supreme Court is very close to ruling on President Obama's signature piece of legislation. That is the health care reform law often referred to as Obama Care. He signed the landmark bill into law two years ago and it mandates that everyone must have insurance, but some states are challenging its constitutionality. While the justices haven't made up their minds yet, what about you?
Who better to get to the polls to the people than our funny man, Bill Santiago? Bill, good morning to you. So you hit the streets in New York City.
BILL SANTIAGO, COMEDIAN: Good morning.
KAYE: And you were looking to find out what some people thought. What did they tell you?
SANTIAGO: That's right. The people can't wait to find out how this Obama Care slayer movie ends, streets of New York famous for its opinions. Let's check it out, see what they had to say.
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SANTIAGO: There's a big Supreme Court decision. We have got to get the polls on the street. Take a picture. That's from another country. How do you think the Supreme Court will decide?
PEDESTRIAN: Well I hope that the Supreme Court will decide that it is indeed constitutional. PEDESTRIAN: Is it equal for everybody and especially like old people?
PEDESTRIAN: Having not been on the Supreme Court I do not know.
PEDESTRIAN: They should kill it.
SANTIAGO: Obama should kill his own health care bill?
PEDESTRIAN: There is no easy answer with health care. How do you pay for it?
SANTIAGO: can you guys do a song about Obama Care? Obama Care used to be Romney Care. What do you know about Obama Care?
PEDESTRIAN: That you are just covered until 26. That's all I know.
SANTIAGO: So do you think that they should they raise the age to let's say 36 or 56?
PEDESTRIAN: I think 26 is fine.
SANTIAGO: 26, 30, 27 Would be pushing it? Now don't you think that encourages young people to stay at home and be slackers?
PEDESTRIAN: Not at all.
SANTIAGO: What do you think the co-pay should be on a vodka martini?
PEDESTRIAN: I think they should be free.
SANTIAGO: Excuse me. Do you have a second? I want to talk you a little bit about the Supreme Court decision on Obama Care. It will take two seconds. All right, thank you. It might be declared or unconstitutional.
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KAYE: Oh, I think you should stick to comedy, Bill, maybe no more singing.
SANTIAGO: I couldn't help it. I couldn't help it. I was surprised they didn't know my key. Don't blame it on me.
KAYE: That was very funny though, the Obama Care used to be Romney Care, very good. And the vodka martini, what was that a click play on a vodka martini you actually asked that guy?
SANTIAGO: Yeah, yeah, yeah. People had a lot of opinions on that. I'm surprised more people didn't agree with the Tea Party that the only thing you need to stay healthy is tea. There was a lot of gut reactions and i can't wait to get out there and do it again.
KAYE: What was the biggest surprise besides the Tea Party? SANTIAGO: Well I was actually surprised how informed some people were. They blew me away. I wasn't expecting that. Of course none of that made it into the video.
KAYE: Didn't want to make them look good, but they did. Even they knew they were covered until they were 26. There were a lot of things there that they did know.
SANTIAGO: A lot of people had - they had very specific things about the bill that they were familiar with that they liked and, hey, everybody is waiting with bated breath to find out what the Supreme Court does next week. If they want to put out their own response video to my little songs, Scalia, bring it on. We'll be here waiting for you.
KAYE: Are you going to write a song about Scalia? Oh boy.
SANTIAGO: I might. I might. It seems to be me thing. I might do it. Sometimes I get inspired. Sometimes I channel things and my Congolese collaborators are willing I'm ready to get back in the studio with them anytime.
KAYE: All right, Bill Santiago. That was a great job, love having you on the street.
SANTIAGO: any time, any time.
KAYE: Moving on now, former football coach Jerry Sandusky convicted for sexually abusing young boys, next we hear from Penn State and Sandusky's victims.
KAYE: A painful chapter for victims and the Penn State community is finally over after weeks of horrific testimony and more than 20 hours of deliberation. Former football coach Jerry Sandusky has been found guilty on 45 of 48 counts of sexually abusing boys over a 15-year period. Nick Valencia has been looking into this and a lot of people certainly talking about it this morning, but let's talk about the jury itself, seven women, five men. And many of them in that community had ties to Penn State.
NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: As can you imagine, rural Pennsylvania, Centre County, everybody has ties to Penn State. I was talking to a coworker, a colleague of ours here downstairs. Everybody in Pennsylvania has some sort of direct or indirect tie to Penn State, not least these jurors, made up of one former professor, one current professor, two grads, two employees and one current student.
We'll start with juror number three here, who worked with the husband of one of the key witnesses in this case, of course Mike McQueary. He testified that in 2002 he allegedly saw Sandusky molest a young boy in the shower there at Penn State. T
here was a point whether or not the prosecution was going to allow this witness to continue. There was going to be a preemptory challenge. Sandusky felt that she would be fair so they moved forward in their case. Juror number eight, I'm sorry, juror number seven, also very interesting, a current student at Penn State who showed up to jury questioning wearing an archery t-shirt from Penn State and was still allowed to stay on the jury.
KAYE: Probably thinking he would never get seated, but he did.
VALENCIA: Well he said he was saturated with this outrage on campus. As you can imagine all students there are very familiar with Jerry Sandusky. He's a big figure in the community. He said that he had strong feelings about the dismissal of Joe Paterno. He said that it's a lot of people's fault and Joe did some things he shouldn't have done.
And lastly, juror number 11, who is a married 30-year-old woman, part- time worker at Penn State, who had had conversations with her husband about Jerry Sandusky, had a six year old, as you can imagine what might have been going through her head during this testimony, her herself being a mother of a young boy.
KAYE: Yes. What a difficult time really for the jury. You have got to give them a lot of credit for listening to such disturbing testimony and to the victims who we are now calling survivors for coming out and speaking as well. Nick, thank you very much.
VALENCIA: Thank you.
KAYE: So imagine this. You send your child to school and he comes back home badly beaten and blinded in one eye. Well that's what happened to my guest in about 20 minutes. The family will share their tragic story and why they want $16 million from the City of New York.