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Pregnant Teen Vanishes; Son Suspected in Father`s Disappearance
Aired August 6, 2012 - 19:00 ET
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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: The search for a missing 17-year-old made even more desperate, because she`s four months pregnant. Morgan Martin was dressed in her PJs and slippers when she vanished almost two weeks ago. Shortly after midnight, she walked outside her home after telling her mom - - who we`re going to talk to live in a second -- that her baby`s father had arrived. She has not been heard or seen since.
VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, a frantic search for a missing pregnant teen. Cops issue a statewide missing child alert for this 17- year-old girl, who`s four months pregnant. Her mom says she vanished after she told her she was going outside to talk to the baby`s father. She left the house in only her pajamas and slippers, carrying only her cell phone. No one has heard from her since. What happened to Morgan Martin? I`ll talk to her mother live about this mystery.
Plus, cops zero in on this 21-year-old in his father`s disappearance. We`re going to tell you what cops found in the basement of the family home that makes them believe this is a lot more than a missing persons case.
As America reels from yet another semi-automatic massacre, we`re diving deep into the bizarre back story of this shooter. Was he a white supremacist who played in a hate-filled band? Is there a whole Woodstock of hate? I`ll talk to a former neo-Nazi skinhead, turned hate exposer, live tonight. And we`ll take your calls.
Plus, a take on the Chick-fil-A controversy you`ll only get here.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Another day without her daughter.
LEAH MARTIN, MOTHER OF MISSING TEEN: She was not there in the morning.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Seventeen-year-old Morgan walked outside last Wednesday in pajamas to talk to the father of her unborn child.
MARTIN: She was really excited about it being a girl.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Morgan, four months pregnant, hasn`t been seen or heard from since.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m telling you, it`s not like her not to answer her phone or call somebody.
MARTIN: She`s a good kid. She doesn`t deserve whatever`s happening.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Working to push the bad thoughts aside.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That my sister is dead, that`s my biggest fear.
MARTIN: I don`t care about nothing else, I just want her to come home.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Good evening. Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you live.
A Florida family needs your help tonight in their desperate search to find a missing 17-year-old who is four months` pregnant. Morgan Martin`s mom is my very special guest tonight.
She says just after midnight this past Wednesday, Morgan took a call from somebody and then told her mom and sister, quote, "My baby daddy is here," end quote.
Now, she walked out the front door of her St. Petersburg home dressed only in PJs and some slippers. She had only her cell phone with her. No purse, no wallet. She has not been seen or heard from since.
Police have interviewed her baby`s father repeatedly, but they do not call him a suspect tonight. I want to stress that. A neighbor says there was a white car in the family`s driveway, but police don`t know whether Morgan even got into the car.
Her family says she was very excited about the baby and would never have taken off without contacting them.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I hope she`s not doing something stupid and just like ran away. But I`m telling you, it`s not like her not to answer her phone or call somebody.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Call me at 1-877-JVM-SAYS. What`s your theory? 1- 877-586-7297.
I want to go straight out to Morgan`s mom, Leah Martin, who joins me now in a primetime exclusive.
First of all, Leah, we can`t imagine the nightmare you have been through in the last few days. We want to help. Somebody out there may know something. We want that person to come forward.
So could you start with telling us the last moments you saw your daughter right before she disappeared? Just tell us what happened.
MARTIN: She had told me that he was coming over. And I told her that -- just to leave him alone. He wasn`t even worth her time. She needed to just, you know, let it be and let him go. And, you know, we`re a family. We`d take care of the baby.
And she said she just wanted to tell him she was having a girl. That was it. And then I had went on to bed, and that was it. I never seen her again.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, a couple of things. We`re not naming the father, the purported father of Morgan`s baby, the man she told her mom she was walking outside to talk to. But here`s the question I want to ask you. How old is he? What does he do? And were they currently dating?
Had he known prior to this that she was pregnant and that she said the child was his? And if so, what was his reaction to that?
MARTIN: I did -- I know they weren`t dating. They had just met on Facebook and were just messing around, I guess. They weren`t dating or anything. He does have a girlfriend and everything that he lives with currently.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: How old is he?
MARTIN: He`s 25 now.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. Your daughter is 17, and he`s 25. OK, that could be a problem.
MARTIN: When he first met her on Facebook, she was only 16.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, my gosh, well, I`ve got to bring in Mike Brooks. Ma`am, stand by, because we want to talk to you some more. But we want to also solve this and get some good information.
Mike Brooks, HLN law enforcement analyst, what do you make of that?
MIKE BROOKS, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: I`ll tell you what. Social media, you know, there again, that`s -- there`s so much happens, Jane, on social media such as this. And -- and now this little -- this girl is missing.
So, you know, is this guy responsible for this? It sure -- it sure kind of points in that direction. But we can`t say so for sure.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jayne Weintraub, you`re a criminal defense attorney. You`re the first to say, "Hey, police are not calling him a suspect."
JAYNE WEINTRAUB, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Suspect doesn`t really matter. As you know, a person of interest, suspect. They don`t have to call him anything. He is the target of this investigation for sure.
She walks out with the cell phone in her pajamas to meet him. That`s what we know. And we don`t know if she got there. We don`t know if he saw her. We don`t know if he admitted that he saw her, talked to her on the phone. We don`t know anything. We don`t know if he had an alibi. We know nothing.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Morgan, who`s a very pretty young lady, was last seen at her family`s home in St. Petersburg Wednesday night. Now, take a look at this Google map.
Leah, you told us that the last signal Morgan`s cell phone sent out was from Hudson, Florida. That is -- and we`re going to show you -- a coastal town about 40 miles north of your home in St. Petersburg. So I`m wondering, if she walks out in her PJs and slippers with just a cell phone how did she end up 40 miles away in Hudson? Does Morgan or the baby`s father have any connection to this location called Hudson?
MARTIN: Nobody that we know of. I didn`t even know where Hudson was until somebody told me, whenever they started finding her phone reception was coming from there. I didn`t even know where Hudson was.
And so it`s a very -- it`s a very, like, small community. There`s not a lot of, you know, people around. When you talk to the people there and when we went there to do a search and see what we could find and hand out more flyers up there, it`s a community that people have lived there for a very long time, their families have.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: And I understand, Jon Lieberman -- I`m sorry, ma`am. I just want to get some key points. It`s a swampy area. And let`s talk about this white car -- Jon Lieberman.
JON LIEBERMAN, HLN INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Right. Well, the white car that may or may not have been in the driveway has been a big issue here, because the major reason why police didn`t issue a missing child report right away was because they couldn`t get a definitive description of this vehicle. And so that was a major problem in the very early stages of this investigation.
And in fact, the truck now has just been described. As of right now, and as of today, the missing child alert has been put out. And Jane, police are also looking at surveillance video from that 40-mile stretch to see, A, if they see the vehicle or, B, what else they can glean from it.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Let`s go to the phone lines, people trying to help with their theories or thoughts. Kim, St. Louis, your question or thought, Kim.
CALLER: Yes I wanted to know how well did she know him if she met him on Facebook?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Leah, this is an excellent question. And also, do you know if the baby`s -- the baby`s father, the young man she was supposedly going out to meet, has a white car? If neighbors saw a white car in front of your house and she was going out to meet him, does he own a white car?
MARTIN: Yes, he does. And we didn`t know about him prior to the pregnancy. She had been sneaking -- like he had been picking her up after work and stuff. When she was telling me she was getting rides home or she was going to a friend`s house, she was -- I found out later on she was supposedly going with him. He does own a white vehicle. Like I say, until this all started, I had really never seen him up close.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: You`re saying they met on Facebook?
Well, first of all, I want to emphasize again that police are not calling this individual who we are not naming, a suspect. And there could be other explanations.
But, my gosh, Jayne Weintraub, this is a cautionary tale, just the idea she was 16 when he, who`s in his mid-20s, met her on Facebook. Right there, I mean, could that have been, if that indeed occurred, a criminal act?
WEINTRAUB: Absolutely. Enticing her as a minor, yes, absolutely. And it`s just one more danger of the Internet.
And of course, we`re not blaming Leah or any parent. We`re just using this as a reminder that parents should try to monitor their kids` Facebook accounts. They should go on their Facebook accounts. It`s scary out there.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, we want to say we hope that this segment has alerted somebody.
Take a look at this beautiful young lady. If you have seen her, she was last seen around St. Petersburg. And we want to find her. Keep us posted, Leah. Our thoughts and prayers are with you.
Up next, another mysterious disappearance, this one a man.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police are now calling it a homicide case.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our investigators have shifted from locating Mr. Mikes to locating Mr. Mikes` body.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Surveillance of the 21-year-old buying cleaning supplies at a local store. Based on the blood and other evidence found in the basement, it is highly unlikely Mr. Mikes survived the vicious encounter.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Unbelievable. A 55-year-old Michigan accountant -- there he is -- and family man, who loves to bike ride, suddenly vanishes. And tonight, cops suspect he`s dead and may have been murdered. In an astounding twist, police are pointing to his overachiever son and namesake as a suspect.
Police say they don`t believe Patrick Mikes Senior is alive after finding evidence of a bloody brawl in the basement of their home, the same basement where his 21-year-old son was living through the summer.
That son, Patrick Junior, and his brother allegedly reported their dad missing. Days after he was last seen, Junior -- look at this handsome young man. Goes to Notre Dame, overachiever, and double major pre-med.
Junior said his dad went out for a bike ride on July 27 and never came home, but cops just aren`t buying that story. Even worse for Junior, cops claim to have surveillance video of Junior buying cleaning supplies at a local store right after dad vanished.
On one hand, he`s a promising student at a prestigious school, Notre Dame, and the other hand, accused of stealing his little brother`s credit card. And now he is a suspect in his dad`s disappearance.
HLN contributor and investigative reporter Jon Lieberman, what have you learned tonight?
LIEBERMAN: Well, what`s interesting is cops jammed up the Junior there by arresting him on charges that he stole his little brother`s credit card the night before their dad went missing. Cops were hoping -- hoping - -- that, by getting him on that charge, by the time he bonded out, they might have more evidence to get him on a murder charge, but it didn`t work.
Surprisingly, the bail was set at $50,000 for Junior, who you`re looking at there, and family members posted it. So he is now out on bail as this investigation into what happened to his father continues.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s review the timeline. Patrick Junior allegedly used his kid brother`s credit card to go to two movies and dinner on Thursday, July 26. Police think there was, quote, a violent encounter in the basement of the family of the home, possibly that night.
Based on the amount of blood, the Oakland County medical examiner said it`s highly unlikely anyone would live through whatever happened in that basement.
Cops say Senior didn`t show up for work the next day. He`s an accountant. That`s the very day Junior told detectives his dad left at about 5:30 Friday afternoon to go bike riding and never came back. It wasn`t until a couple of days later on Sunday that the sons reported Dad missing. And cops reportedly have surveillance video of Junior buying cleaning supplies at a local store.
Mike Brooks, is it possible that he goes out -- he takes his kid brother`s credit card, goes out and splurges on two movies and dinner and comes home, and the dad catches him in that act and wants to discipline a 21-year-old?
BROOKS: It`s very possible. Was it him? Was he there with someone else? With all this blood, who does the blood belong to? That`s going to take a little bit of time. They should know exactly what happened in that basement.
And that timeline, Jane, that all-important timeline, what happened between July 27 and July 29? And where was his whereabouts, you know? Where did he go? They can track his whereabouts. But now that he`s out, there`s also ways that I`m sure there are some other things that are going on in this investigation that law enforcement doesn`t want anybody to know about.
But -- but he`s out. Who`s he talking to and who`s he visiting?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Jayne Weintraub, you and I covered a certain case that became infamous and there are shades of that here.
WEINTRAUB: Well, about the credit card. I mean, Casey Anthony did the same thing with a friend`s credit card and Mom`s credit card, I mean, before the crime, allegedly, if there was a crime that took place. That was one of the state`s theories in Casey Anthony.
But you know, what I think, is I think that there`s evidence -- when the M.E. said that there`s evidence of a homicide there, I think in that basement, you have either a machete. I think you have a knife. I think you have skin. I think you have evidence of a homicide. But that doesn`t tie it to the son.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: By the way, that was Casey Anthony shopping at Target.
WEINTRAUB: From her friend`s credit card.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: But back to this young man. What I don`t get, Jon Lieberman, is he`s an overachiever, a double major at a prestigious school, pre-med, no criminal history up until this point.
Look at his face; look at his expression. He looks like he is in crisis. He looks like he`s just trying to hold it together here.
LIEBERMAN: Look, Jane, you just never know. Let`s say the dad did confront him and try to discipline him. People can nap, even overachievers. Sex offenders, murderers. We talk about this all the time, they don`t always look like what you think they might look like.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I don`t think murderers look any which way. I`ve covered murderers who look like they`re movie stars. And I`m not calling this guy a murderer.
His attorney sass he had nothing to do with it. We have reached out to his attorney, didn`t hear back. But he -- I believe he`s bonded out and he -- and his attorney are invited to the show any time.
More on the other side.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He has a high grade point level. He`s a pre- med/psychology double major. He`s there on an academic scholarship. He has no prior criminal history whatsoever. His sister is here. His are here.
That, the attorney for Patrick Mikes Junior, who cops are calling a suspect in his dad`s disappearance. But again, we tried to reach that attorney, have not held back. He or the suspect himself, Patrick Mikes Jr., invited on any time.
No, he said reportedly, he told cops, "Oh, Dad went for a bike ride." Jayne Weintraub, criminal defense attorney, why do cops say nonsense to that story?
WEINTRAUB: Well, they do believe that he did not for for a bike ride, or that he had come home, because his bike equipment and gloves and helmet were found in the home. And he`s an avid rider. Every day, had a routine, and wore the helmet all the time.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, we all know with those avid bikers, they have their rituals and their routines. They`re not likely, if they always use a helmet, to go out without the helmet. But you never know. Maybe he had two helmets.
I have two helmets, and I`m not even an avid biker. The police passed out a picture of two cars. One person told cops he saw that car drive through an area the very weekend the dad went missing.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They brought this picture over and said, have you seen this vehicle?
And I said, I`m pretty sure I`ve seen it.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: What do you make of that, Mike Brooks?
BROOKS: Well, somebody had to be driving that vehicle, Jane. Do they have any video surveillance in that area at all, of that vehicle? Do they have any video surveillance of anyone on a bicycle in that time frame where he allegedly went riding?
His shoes -- you know, I have friends that are bikers. They have their favorite shoes. They clip in to go riding. They were at the house. They`re not going anywhere without those shoes, Jane, nowhere at all.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jon Lieberman, very quickly, what about the cleaning materials and shat about the little brother, the kid brother?
LIEBERMAN: Well, the cleaning materials, you know, could be very important in this case, especially the surveillance that they have of it. And I do want to point out, the search goes on for the dad as well.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Even though they think he is probably deceased, the man you`re looking at here, at least police believe he is deceased based on the blood found in his basement. We`re going to stay on top of it.
On the other side, the latest massacre, and was there a back story of hate? We`ll talk to a former neo-Nazi skinhead.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Details of the shooting in suburban Milwaukee.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Killing six worshippers at a Sikh temple outside of Milwaukee.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The shooting at a temple in Wisconsin is especially shocking.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police say an Army veteran with a troubled past...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His victims, five men and one woman.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Every time I go to temple, I`m going to think of this.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Wade Michael Page, who once played in a punk rock band.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s a number of tattoos on his body that match other organized white supremacist gangs.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This man has been in the thick of the white supremacist music scene in his country.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The law enforcement, U.S. military and the U.S. government itself in their eyes can be seen as the enemy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right now, he was the only shooter that was involved at the temple.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The only thing that could stop Page Sunday morning was a police bullet.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We leave our doors open and when things like this happen, it sends chills down your spine.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: A murderous rampage at a house of worship. How did an Army vet and musician sink so low as to allegedly become a racist killer? Tonight, we`re going inside the disturbing neo-Nazi subculture purportedly behind this horrible act of violence.
It was absolute terror Sunday when a gunman burst through the open doors of a Sikh temple, fired on innocent bystanders, killing six, wounding four others, including a police officer. Listen to this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My uncle was shot and supposedly, he`s at the hospital now. We`re trying to figure out what hospital. My aunt who, she was trapped in a closet calling, trying to communicate out. But she, I guess, recently is out. She`s in the custody of police.
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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST: Killed at the scene, this man, Wade Michael Page. This is a new photo of him from MySpace and Facebook. He is standing in front of swastikas and white supremacist imagery. This guy was 40 years old and spent six years in the U.S. Army. Wade Page, shot to death by police responding to the attack.
According to the relative of one victim, he had a 9/11 tattoo on his arm. Look at Wade in these pictures from MySpace. He was reportedly part of a heavy metal band called "End Apathy", that`s allegedly associated with neo-Nazi skinheads.
In an interview two years ago, Wade said his songs were about how, quote, "The Value of Human life has been degraded by being submissive to Tyranny and hypocrisy that we are subjugated to." Imagine that, him talking about the value of human life. Unbelievable.
Here is his band, listen to it.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Unable to see the big scheme you could care less what it means. You don`t deserve to be saved. Submission you`re a slave.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did hate drive this man to murder? Call me 1-877- JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.
I want to go to T.J. Leyden, a former neo-Nazi and author of "Skinhead Confessions" who has turned his life around -- and has devoted his life now to fighting hate. T.J., what do you know about the connection between music and hate? This guy in a band called "End Apathy", associated -- we`ll take about it in a second -- with other bands. Is there a, what you would call a Woodstock of hate out there?
T.J. LEYDEN, AUTHOR, "SKINHEAD CONFESSIONS" (via telephone): Yes. There`s a big connection between the white supremacy movement and the recruiting tactics that they use. Music is the number one recruitment tool. If you give a kid a piece of paper and have him read it, he`ll read it once, maybe twice then throw it away. But if you give him a CD, he can listen to that CD a thousand times. If that song gets stuck in his head, that`s propaganda you can`t pay for.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. It`s sad that music, which should be something that inspires peace and love, is being used as a recruiting tool for those who hate. Now, what do we know about Wade Page`s history? We know he was in the U.S. Army but did he have a criminal record?
Here`s what CNN`s Brian Todd found out. Listen to this.
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BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: He had some kind of a record. As far as convictions, officials are not going there yet. They are not giving details on to his contact with law enforcement. They say that he was known to law enforcement, did have contact with law enforcement at some point.
The police chief here told me that law enforcement officials in this area had not had contact with him. They will really not give much more detail than that. So we are led to believe he encountered law enforcement at some point in another region of the country.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Actually, we`ve learned -- our background check showed that he had separate convictions for DUI in Colorado in 1999 and for criminal mischief in Texas in 1994.
And we just got the police report from El Paso and we`re going to tell you about it. Here it is. He reportedly was pushed out of the military for showing up in formation drunk. Somebody who served with him in the U.S. Army said he had an alcohol issue.
Jon Leiberman, you have just been looking at the police report. What can you tell us?
JON LEIBERMAN, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: Jane, we have just obtained a number of these documents. Let`s start with that police report which was from 1994, when Wade was down at Fort Bliss in El Paso. And he was actually arrested for criminal mischief. He was at a bar called "The Attic". He was drunk and playing pool. And then he became belligerent, began kicking the sheetrock wall inside the bar making several holes and yelling threats to people. Officers came, they found the sheetrock. And he got 90 days of probation for that.
I do want to point out, Jane, we also just obtained some of his military records. This guy was a psychological ops specialist from April of `92 to October of `98. He actually got many awards and decorations. He got the Army Good Conduct Award. He got the National Defense Service Medal, the Army Achievement Medal he got five times.
But we should also point out he was discharged from the military and he is not eligible for reenlistment due to alcohol problems because he was drunk on duty. That is what the records that we`ve just obtain tell us.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. He reportedly showed up for formation drunk and was pushed out of the military. I know as a recovering alcoholic that you can become very sick if you take alcohol and mix it, Jayne Weintraub, with sick ideology. There is a very toxic, very combination because the alcohol can push that hate over the line into violent behavior.
JAYNE WEINTRAUB, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I totally agree. How many more of these do we have to see? How many more? The Colorado shooting is still very raw in everybody`s mind. This gun was legally bought by Page. It`s just another episode that screams to repeal these gun laws.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: The Southern Poverty Law Center says Page was associated with several white power rock bands including one called "Definite Hate". Now, listen to this. We don`t know if Page was part of this particular song but it`s very disturbing nonetheless. Here it is, off MySpace.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What has happened to America that was once so white and free? Now our mission is overrun by (EXPLETIVE DELETED) and Jews and (EXPLETIVE DELETED) scum.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Again, that band "Definite Hate" associated with Wade Page. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, several of its members later played with Page`s band "End Apathy".
So, I have to go back to T.J. Leyden, former neo-Nazi skinhead who has turned himself around and written "Skinhead Confessions". This is horrific lyrics -- nauseating. What is their hate? It seems to go across the board at anybody who doesn`t look exactly like them. Where do they define? Where does their hate begin and end?
LEYDEN: Their hate doesn`t end at anybody. When you get involved in the white supremacist movement, your number one enemy is the federal government and anybody who`s white and not racist. After that it goes down to every minority that you can think of.
The music is designed so these kids can listen to it, start drinking and get all fired and go out and commit actions. I agree, when you get somebody who is drunk or have been drinking and listening to this music, it`s just one step away from, you know, a domestic terrorist act, a hate crime. That`s what this stuff is designed to do. It`s designed to agitate and to basically propagate hate crimes.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And if you want to talk about a trigger, you take all of that. You take the hate ideology. You take the alcohol problems and then Wade Page recently broke up with his girlfriend.
Mike Brooks -- that can be a trigger. The personal can trigger something that in his sick mind might seem political.
MIKE BROOKS, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Oh, absolutely, you know. What triggered this guy, how deep was he into this? T.J. can tell you, the music scene, the (inaudible) music, the skinhead neo-Nazi, they use CDs. They`ll take -- they used to take them to schools.
I did a story one time about a group in Minnesota that was going around using them as a recruiting tool and spent some time with these people, with these neo-Nazi skin heads because back when I was in law enforcement, I used to investigate these people. And I can tell you, if you look at his tattoo on his arm from the MySpace page, that`s Odin`s cross. That`s one you will see a lot of times with these skived (ph) skinheads.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: The Celtic -- the Celtic cross.
BROOKS: Right, but it`s called -- it`s the Celtic cross but it`s called specifically Odin`s cross. You see that there? Now, look at the T- shirt he has on in the other picture with the swastika and the cross behind him. It says "white pride worldwide". That is one of the symbols I used to see a bit. And people would have -- there you go, that T-shirt right there, "white pride worldwide".
I used to see that quite a bit in my investigations. And I got to tell you, they can be very dangerous. It`s a culture --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Good analysis, Mike.
On the other side, we`re going to talk to a woman whose parents were headed to that temple. Thank God they were delayed -- next.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Another massacre, six dead, four wounded. And now we are learning tonight about the toxic back story of the shooter, who is dead. He had ties to white supremacist music -- music and hate. What a toxic combination -- next.
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MARK POTOK, SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER: He existed in a world of skinhead concerts in which people are routinely beat up, sometimes killed` often merely for looking at someone`s girlfriend the wrong way.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Deceased alleged shooter, Wade Page associated with several white power rock bands with names like "Aggressive Force" and "Celtic Warrior".
Now take a look at this video posted on YouTube; it purportedly shows a performance in South Carolina by another white power band, "Definite Hate". You can see the swastika up there on the wall. Several of its members later played with Page`s band "End Apathy". Such bands feature Nazi symbolism and songs with racist hateful lyrics.
I want to go to a very special guest, Anjali Kaur; your parents are members of the Sikh temple where the massacre occurred today. And I understand that they were delayed, otherwise, they may have been there. And I`m so happy and thankful that you were not swept up in this tragedy, nor your family.
What`s your reaction to this news that there is a whole industry that centers around hateful music? I didn`t even know this.
ANJALI KAUR, PARENTS ARE MEMBERS OF THE SIKH TEMPLE: Yes. You always think of it as a subculture. You know, it`s one of those things where you don`t think it`s going to directly impact you until incidents like this occur. I`m still in shock, still taken aback by the incidences, because although my family wasn`t there directly, the rest of the community is my family at large. You can feel the pain of every single victim and their families.
And so, for me, I feel like we need to use this incident, this tragedy as a platform to continue to educate broadly on religious ethnic cultural tolerance. We need to do it in ways that are stronger than what`s currently being done. And everybody needs to take a role, whether it be media, citizens, politicians, everybody has a role to play in this.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. And what`s so astounding is the ignorance. Just the idea that he, according to the relative of a witness, had a 9/11 tattoo, and then goes and attacks a Sikh temple, what kind of ignorance does that betray, Anjali?
KAUR: The problem is that what the news is currently covering is that the Sikhs are identifying themselves as not as Muslim. I want to highlight that this is not the issue right now. The issue is that there are so many commonalities between all of us and that`s not being focused on. And instead, we`re identifying the other, we`re identifying the factor in each one of us that makes us the other, whether it`s visibly, whether it`s religiously, whatever -- in whatever orientation you find that statement.
And that has been the problem. So it wouldn`t make a difference if he knew we were Muslims or if we were Sikhs or if we were Hindus or we were Christians. It was the fact that we were separated from what he considered to be the norm.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: How brilliant your commentary. Anjali, spread that word. Spread that word. We have got to stop fearing the other.
More in a second.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: And we`re going to take a little light break and show you some of the companion animals, like Winston -- handsome dude, that our viewers have sent in. Oh, Brutus and Spike, I love you guys. Look at that. That warms my heart, makes me so happy.
Zippy, you are quite zippy. Look at that expression. She says, "I`m full of love." And Lola is also full of love.
Send your companion animal pics to hlntv.com/Jane. We love you guys.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Chick-Fil-A is making headlines all over the United States and it has nothing to do with chicken sandwiches.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Remarks from the restaurant`s president Dan Cathy saying he supports the bible`s definition of a family unit which was generally interpreted as a stance against same-sex marriage.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m here to support the traditional marriage of men and women.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gay and lesbian groups say they`re fighting back with love.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Gay rights activists celebrated kiss day at Chick-Fil-A restaurants Friday.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight a controversy ripping across the nation and at the center, a fast food chain. The restaurant, Chick-Fil-A was rocketed to the middle of the battle of same-sex marriage when its president said he believed in the quote, "Biblical definition of marriage". Both side of the argument got fired up with an appreciation day supporting Chick-Fil-A and a same-sex kiss day, protesting the restaurant.
But everyone ignored one major point. What all this fast food is doing to people`s health and their waist lines. Straight out to weight loss coach Charles D`Angelo. Charles you have endorsements from everyone from Bill Clinton to Richard Simmons, did we miss an opportunity to talk about the real issue here, American obesity?
CHARLES D`ANGELO, WEIGHT LOSS COACH: Jane, there`s no doubt in my mind that there`s something missing out there. Everyone`s coming at this, looking at this as a partisan issue, when I think both sides of the aisle can agree that obesity is a threat to both parties, it`s a bipartisan threat. And it`s something we all need to focus on and pull together on. Not be ripped apart by it.
I don`t think there`s any lack of healthy choices. One issue that was missed was the reality that even at such a place as a fast food restaurant like Chick-Fil-A, there were healthy options there. But that`s being lost in the politics of the issue. I think what needs to be addressed is something`s missing and it`s the right mindset. So people aren`t so spontaneous in their habits.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s get specific. How many calories are in a meal from Chick-Fil-A. We checked out their Web site, the deluxe chicken sandwich has 500 calories and 21 grams of fat. If you order that with the large waffle fries, they have 520 calories and 27 grams of fat. A grand total of more than a thousand calories and 48 grams of fat for one meal that doesn`t even include a soda. What does that tell you, Charles?
D`ANGELO: It tells you that people are stuck in the wrong pattern; that they`re looking for the answer outside of themselves.
My whole message, my whole book "Think and Grow Thin" is all about getting to the place where you have the right mindset, where you`re not spontaneous in your habits, where you`re strategic. If you want to be lean, you have to eat smart.
I used to weigh 360 pounds, so I understand -- hearing that you`re a recovering alcoholic, I too know the challenges that come with looking for answers outside of yourself. Until you get this three-legged stool in place -- I always talk about having healthy food, of course, there are healthy options. Chick-Fil-A has a lot of unhealthy options but --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow -- whoa, whoa -- that`s you? That`s your before picture and that`s your after picture? Dude.
D`ANGELO: Yes, 360 pounds.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh my God.
D`ANGELO: And the whole point here -- well, the whole point here -- and I need people to listen, I want people to hear this, that anyone out there sitting at home that feels stuck in a place they hate, there is hope for you, you must take charge of your mind set. Diet is part of it, exercise is definitely one leg of that three-legged stool but without the third leg -- and what`s missing with everything else that`s out there is the mindset.
Because if it comes down to a one-on-one match between your bicep and your mind. The mind is going to win.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: The mind wins.
D`ANGELO: If it comes down a one-on-one with your stomach and your mind, your mind is going to win. So get your mindset --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I can`t get over that before picture.
Let`s take a quick break and we have got an alternative recipe on the other side.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`re talking to "Think and Grow Thin" author Charlie D`Angelo who lost a whopping 162 pounds and kept it off. Maybe I shouldn`t use the word whopping.
Hey PETA has released a vegan Chick-Fil-A sandwich recipe. Check it out. You need (inaudible), unsweetened soy milk, pickle juice, flour, seasonings and you can make your own cholesterol and cruelty free sandwich. For the full recipe can go to hlntv.com/Jane.
Charlie, we hadn`t even talked about the cholesterol.
D`ANGELO: Not to mention diabetes. Right now there`s more children that are suffering from type 2 diabetes than ever before. I have coached literally thousands of people from national political level all the way down to moms and dads that are stay at home parents and teenagers. And the children that are out there now that are obese, no more than ever are -- for the first time ever, I should say, this generation may live a shorter life span than their parents.
Now, take into consideration what that means to the costs on our country and the costs on the happiness of our country and the future of our country. We need to take action.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Charles, we`re out of time. But I love you.
Nancy Grace next.
D`ANGELO: Thank you.