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More Details Emerge of Petraeus Scandal

Aired November 13, 2012 - 19:00   ET


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Tonight, the officer who was not a gentleman. The extramarital affair involving former four-star General David Petraeus has turned Washington upside down and now has spiraled into a second investigation involving a second woman and a second general. What`s going on here? Next.


VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight more secrets spill out in the four-star sex scandal that forced CIA chief David Petraeus to resign. He admits cheating on his wife with his pretty, much younger biographer.

Now investigators put the spotlight on this other top general, who allegedly exchanged flirty e-mails with this married Florida socialite. And what about the FBI investigator accused of sending that same married woman shirtless photos of himself? Tonight we`ll talk to a cheater, a sex therapist and bad boy Steve Santagoti on why men risk it all.

Then, an eccentric multimillionaire software pioneer says he`s innocent and on the run in Belize, but cops there are calling mogul John McAfee a person of interest in the shooting death of his neighbor. But McAfee said he`s being set up. We`re investigating.

And more allegations in the serious family drama between "Modern Family" star Ariel Winter and her mom. Winter`s mom denies the claims of abuse and says her daughter is not as innocent as the character she plays on TV. And we`re taking your calls.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The sudden resignation of CIA director David Petraeus came as a surprise to almost everyone in Washington.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s a scandal surrounding the former CIA chief General David Petraeus as taking a bunch of twists and turns as of late.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Overnight the scandal got bigger. Paula Broadwell`s home in North Carolina was raided by the FBI.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: General Petraeus resigned after admitting to having an extramarital affair with his biographer, Paula Broadwell.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: At some point I think he realized I was taking this research very seriously and was sharing hardship with the troops and risk and so forth, and decided to open up a little bit more access.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The pressure is building for Tampa socialite and MacDill Air Force base volunteer Jill Kelley. Kelley is at the center of another scandal involving another top commander in Afghanistan, General John Allen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m told the e-mails were inappropriate in nature.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I love the "Real Housewives of the Pentagon." I mean, that`s what we`re looking at right now. It`s ridiculous. And the interesting thing is no one has actually broken the law.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, dirty little secrets revealed as the military sex scandal with two of the most powerful men in the world.

Good evening. Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you live.

Retired four-star General David Petraeus survived two wars and a bullet wound to the chest, but it`s infidelity that brought his career down. The country`s top spy resigned, admitting he cheated on his wife of 38 years with his much younger biographer, Paula Broadwell.

Now, here is Paula talking about General Petraeus before any of us knew what was going on in an interview with Arthur Cade from YouTube.


BROADWELL: When I realized the opportunity I had to tell this message, to present this portrait of strategic leadership. I mean, it`s not -- it`s not a hageopathy (ph). I`m not in love with David Petraeus. But I think he does present a terrific role model for young people, for executives, for men and women, no matter what.

There`s a great role model there who`s values oriented, who speaks the truth to power.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: "I`m not in love with David Petraeus." You heard her say it.

As the scandal mushrooms, intense focus tonight on this woman, Jill Kelley. The new video just in shows the married Florida socialite and mother of three photographed by the media as a volunteer social organizer at the MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa. She reportedly has thrown a lot of glittery parties for top military brass, and she`s also friends with David Petraeus and his wife, Holly. Have you got a scorecard to keep track of all this?

In a move Jill Kelley probably regrets by now, she told a friend at the FBI that somebody was sending her nasty, jealous, anonymous e-mails that kind of scared her. Well, they investigated. That someone turned out to be none other than General Petraeus`s now ex-mistress, Paula Broadwell. So why was Paula Broadwell allegedly so jealous of Jill Kelley? What`s going on here?

The latest salvo. General John Allen, the man who just happens to lead U.S. troops in Afghanistan, allegedly exchanged inappropriate e-mails with Jill Kelley, dating back two years, e-mails one Defense Department official calls flirtatious, although, through sources and associates, General Allen and Jill Kelley have both denied any affair.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It really makes you wonder how he would even have the time to do it and the motivation to do that from afar.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: And add another layer to this bizarre sex scandal. The FBI agent investigating the nasty e-mails to Jill Kelley taken off the case. He apparently had allegedly sent in shirtless and inappropriate photos of himself to Jill Kelley.

This whole thing sounds like something out of a frat party. Not the CIA, not the Pentagon. How and why did General Petraeus throw away his brilliant career for a sexual affair, and what about all these other characters. What do you think? Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to CNN intelligence correspondent Suzanne Kelly. Suzanne, thanks so much for joining us tonight. OK. What do we know about the search at Paula Broadwell`s house, and what do we know about the mystery shirtless FBI man?

SUZANNE KELLY, CNN INTELLIGENCE CORRESPONDENT: All right. Well, FBI agents were at Broadwell`s home in Charlotte, North Carolina, last night, Jane. Agents spent about five hours conducting a search. They took documents, computers from her house.

We`re told by a U.S. official that agents are looking further into what classified materials she has, but the official described this search as sort of tying up loose ends.

An earlier search of Broadwell`s computer did turn up classified material, and according to that same official, Broadwell and Petraeus both told investigators that the material did not come from him, but you can bet that those agents are now trying to track down the source of that classified information.

There`s still no word, though, on whether there could be any charges brought against her.


KELLY: We`re told that she`s hired an attorney here in D.C. We haven`t heard from him yet.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The shirtless FBI guy.

KELLY: Yes. It`s the story that keeps on giving, right? A U.S. official confirms that the agent in question did send shirtless photos of himself to Kelley but said that that happened before the case ever the case ever began. And we already know that this was the agent that Kelley took her original concerns to, when she received the e-mails that she thought were threatening.

And the official we spoke with tells us that this agent never actually worked the case, but instead he passed the information Kelley gave him on to special agents in another department, the cyber unit, and it was that department that took up the investigation that eventually led to the affair between Broadwell and General Petraeus.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let`s talk about this Jill Kelley, who to me -- this is just my personal impression, kind of looks like one of the Kardashians, doesn`t she? Isn`t she pretty? Very pretty. Jill Kelley is described as a hostess with the mostest to the military. She threw lavish parties for top brass in Tampa.

Now, tonight her brother is coming out and very strongly defending her. Listen to this.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She is a dedicated mother and a dedicated wife. So this is completely uncharacteristic of her to actually have a romantic relationship outside of her marriage.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: So Steve Santagati, "Bad Boys Finish First," author of "Code of Honor." Let`s -- let`s talk a little bit about this Kelley lady, Jill Kelley.

She`s very pretty. She`s the married mother of three young children. She`s caught up in this tawdry sex scandal. She says she`s completely innocent and has done nothing wrong, through her brother. She leaves home in full makeup, a bright yellow dress, looking like a million bucks, like I said, like one of the Kardashians.

Now, this does not look like a woman who wants to go unnoticed, Steve. She`s a woman who might have attracted men without doing anything remotely wrong. But just because she`s got it. She has what naturally will attract men. What say you?

STEVE SANTAGATI, AUTHOR, "CODE OF HONOR": Well, she`s hot, which is great because I hate when I see these sex scandals and the woman is not up to specs, Arnold Schwarzenegger.

So, you know, look. The bottom line is no matter if she`s a mother of three, no matter what she looks like, she`s a human being first. And women have a right to want to have sex. And they get bored in the relationship just like I do.

And quite frankly, this four-star general was married for, what, 38 years, I think they said. He should get an award or a medal just for that, that he survived that long.

And quite frankly, America, anybody that -- let me say that anybody that forced him to resign is extremely hypocritical, because we are human beings, and we want to have sex and it`s normal. What he did was healthy and it has nothing do with him necessarily running the country, unlike Bill Clinton, that actually took time away from his job to have an illicit affair, allegedly.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me -- let me point out something very important. The woman you`re looking at, that`s Jill Kelley. She has not been accused of doing anything wrong whatsoever, except she`s a socialite. God bless her.

It`s Paula Broadwell who General Petraeus, the man who`s right there - - let`s show some Paula Broadwell, so we can distinguish between that lady and Paula Broadwell.

Paula Broadwell, who`s the 20-something years younger than General Petraeus, who wrote this biography of the general, entitled oddly, I think, in light of everything, called "All In: The Education of General Petraeus."

And she took several trips to Afghanistan, a war zone, where this affair may have blossomed. And Paula, when talking about General Petraeus, well, you`re just going have to hear it from her own lips. Listen.


BROADWELL: Well, this project started as my dissertation about three years ago. And I was working with General Petraeus virtually, doing interviews via e-mail and occasionally running with him and interviewing. And when he was selected by the president to replace General McChrystal in the summer of...


VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. So Petraeus reportedly broke off the afar with that lady, who I`m going to borrow Steve Santagati`s words, she is a hot lady, as well. She`s an attractive young woman in her 40s. That`s when the nasty e-mails began to hit Jill Kelley.

So I`ve got to go to Simone Bane. You`re a psychosexual relationship therapist. Just like guys can be attracted to a cheerleader or flight attendant, women often are turned on by -- nothing turns them on more than a man in uniform with a lot of medals. It`s a turn-on.

SIMONE BANE, PSYCHOSEXUAL RELATIONSHIP THERAPIST: Yes, it is a turn- on. And even you saying it, Jane, I was thinking, "Ooh, a man in uniform, very nice."

However, a married man in uniform really not so attractive unless you have something wrong with you. What is wrong with our society that we can`t take responsibility? And these powerful men. Jane, you`re going to reporting it next week. This happens over and over again.

There is certainly a connection between power and thrill-seeking. The more powerful you feel, the more thrill seeking you may want to do. The more thrill seeking you do, the more powerful you feel. So they feed of each other.

But there is, you know, an intoxicating effect clearly with Petraeus feeling, my goodness, this woman is just so obsessed with him, into him, wanting to find out everything about him, curious about him. We all know what it feels like at the beginning of a relationship. It is intoxicating when somebody is so interested in you.


BANE: Let`s not dress this up. This is disgusting.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... is the hangover right now. If they were intoxicated, they`re hung over now. The jokes are already starting on late-night talk shows. Listen to this from "The Tonight Show." Check this out. We`ll be back on the other side.


JAY LENO, HOST, NBC`S "THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JAY LENO": You know, it`s amazing that Petraeus got caught, because you`d think, as the head of the CIA, it would be easy to cheat, right? I mean, you come home late. The wife goes, "Where have you been?"

"I`m sorry, honey, it`s classified. I would have to kill you if I told you. I`m sorry."



BROADWELL: I`m not a spokesperson for him. And if -- you know, surely I`m not a role model to other people in the world or other readers, it`s a repugnant thing, than I`m sorry. But I think the values that he upholds and tries to instill in his -- his organizations are valuable and worth pointing out.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Let`s see if we can get a little debate going with our panel, because Steve Santagati, author of "Code of Honor" and "Bad Boys Finish First," says no big deal. And Mark Eiglarsh, what I say is, look, adultery is a violation of military law. If you`re at the top of the military, even though he says it started after his resignation, if you`re at the top of the military, how can you do things that you`re going to punish other people for doing?

MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I disagree with Steve on one point. I don`t think that, you know, he`s a mail carrier, and thus he didn`t jeopardize national security. I think, at a minimum, he creates the image of impropriety, and his error in judgment is colossal.

You know, he`s head of the CIA, and I think that people have reason to question what his error of judgment might have cost. The FBI has to investigate, and they have to determine whether anything improper occurred.

SANTAGATI: I don`t know about you, but when I`m in bed, the last thing I`m talking about is military secrets, although I will agree with you on the fact that this guy is kind of an idiot. Because I don`t work for the CIA, and I`ve never been caught.

So national security is at risk, because we`re hiring people that can`t even prevent -- be prevented from getting caught cheating. As a matter of fact, they should have all cheaters working in the CIA and the security in America will be rock solid.

But yes -- no, it`s not a big deal. Look, it`s sex. That shouldn`t even be in the military contract, that you can`t cheat on your wife or your husband or whatever. So it`s a non-sequitur, a nonissue.

EIGLARSH: Steve, do you not see the difference between the head of a CIA having an affair and letting someone into that world, versus someone who`s merely driving a bus?

SANTAGATI: No. I don`t think he`s letting -- you`re assuming. You`re making an assumption that he`s letting her into the world. I just said I doubt they were talking about Afghanistan`s secrets and all of that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, indeed she did -- she did say some things, Steve, in public addresses that got people`s ears perked up, like how does she know that? Even though people were...

SANTAGATI: Well, she`s his biographer.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Whatever she said was true, she seemed to have knowledge of stuff is that she shouldn`t have knowledge of as a mere biographer.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: You know, she said she was embedded with the general. Poor choice of words, given everything that`s gone on.

SANTAGATI: I think it`s cliche.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to bring in a woman here, a woman`s perspective. Beth, you say you had an affair, you cheated on your husband, and you`ve been married something like 15 years. Why did you have the affair and were you nervous that it would be discovered?

CALLER: Yes, I was. Why I had the affair was because I had nothing in my life. There was no passion, no connection, no nothing, and, you know, they -- I didn`t get paid attention to.

When somebody outside the marriage pays attention to you, regardless if it`s married man or what have you, you think it`s the creme brule or whatever.

But it takes two, you know. You know, I was listening to your panel there, and it isn`t against the law to have an affair. It takes two people. It`s not just the woman. It takes two people. And regardless of how it happened, it`s something always missing in their marriage, always.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, Beth. Would do you it again?

CALLER: It would have been going on if I wouldn`t have gotten caught. He found e-mails. He found e-mail after e-mail after e-mail, and it was the end of our marriage.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But you`re still married?

CALLER: if that`s what you want to call it, yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You`re not divorced.



CALLER: Not yet. But it is what it is. It doesn`t make it right.


CALLER: It -- it is what it is. People go outside their marriage to search for things that they`re lacking in their life because they can`t talk to their partner, and when somebody turns an eye on them or gives them a little bit of attention, it`s better than none at all. So it`s a sad state of affairs, but like that man -- go ahead. I`m sorry.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you for your honesty. I want to ask you a yes- or-no question. If you had the chance to cheat again, would you, yes or no?

CALLER: Oh, boy. That`s putting me right on the spot.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. I`ll let you think about it. We`re going to go to break, and we`ll let you answer on the other side.



BROADWELL: And at some point I think he realized I was taking this research very seriously. I was sharing hardship with the troops and risk and so forth. And decided to open up a little bit more access. But we had a relationship before I went there as far as this dissertation was concerned, so it just took it to another level.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s amazing that she discusses this, now that we look at these interviews in retrospect. It`s almost like you can read a double entendre in every other sentence.

I want to go back to Beth. She`s our wonderful caller who is very courageously admitting she cheated on her husband. And I asked you very briefly if you had the chance to do it again would you and why, briefly, Beth?

CALLER: I probably would, because I`m still lacking in my life what I was looking for before, you know? It`s a double-edged sword type of thing.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me bring in -- thank you, Beth, again for your courage in speaking the truth, which can be difficult. I always say honesty is always an option.

Let`s pit Simone Bane, psychologist and relationship, versus Steve Santagati, author of "Code of Honor," and who is a noted bad boy. OK, Simone, you feel that this is a betrayal, this is -- this affair by General Petraeus to a woman he`s been married 38 years and he has an affair with a woman 20 years his junior, who`s a hotty, as Steve Santagati would say. Steve says it`s no big deal. Why is it a big deal in your opinion?

BANE: It is a big deal, because it`s unethical living. It`s like a cuckoo going in and stealing another bird`s eggs.

SANTAGATI: Says who?

BANE: Why would you do that? And you -- says me, Steve. And obviously, I have a lot of say.

The point is you don`t want this for yourself. This is how we can lose our integrity. We can get our needs in a marriage, whether that`s sexually or emotionally. And like our caller, Beth, earlier, if she came to see me, she wouldn`t be cheating. She would be with a partner that can meet her needs. That is what...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Steve Santagati, your side.

SANTAGATI: What`s worse? To lie to your partner or to lie to yourself and continue living that lie? Ethics are based on society. It`s not based on anything other than what we think is right and wrong for the time. And I could go through history and show you.

BANE: It`s silly.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hold on. Let him finish.

SANTAGATI: My point being, Simone, and I respect your opinion, and I get it, I believe in ethics, I believe in that stuff. But I also think there comes a time in your life when you need to be honest with yourself.

And this guy, there was nothing happening in his relationship. He`s not going to be around forever, and this woman also that allegedly cheated on her husband. You know what? Or the woman that called in, you know what? Live life. It`s happening right now. This is it. Just be true to yourself and try to be the best person you can be.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me say this. You can live your life authentically, but I`d like to weigh in that honesty is always an option.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s not the cheating. It`s the lying. You`re living a duplicitous life. If you don`t want to be with your wife anymore, tell her. Accept the consequences. Maybe it`s not going to be great for his career. And then be with the woman you want to be with, as opposed to saying, "I want to have my cake and eat it, too. I want to have my wife, because I want to be able to say I was married 38 years, and I`m a good family man, and then cheating on the side." I think that`s the betrayal, the lie.

People have feelings -- go ahead. I`ll give you the final ten seconds.

BANE: Sorry, Jane. I was just going to say it`s kind of like being married, but actually I want to play single. What is the point?


VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`re going to continue this debate on the other side.



PAULA BROADWELL, ALLEGEDLY HAD AFFAIR WITH GEN. DAVID PETRAEUS: When I realized the opportunity I had to tell this message, to present this portrait of strategic leadership, it`s not a hagiography and none of them was David Petraeus. But I think he has presented a terrific role model for young people, for executives, for men and women no matter what --


VELEZ-MITCHELL: That is Paula Broadwell and she says she was not in love with David Petraeus but David Petraeus has now acknowledged he had an affair with that particular woman 20 years his junior, and he has stepped down as the nation`s top spy.

Meantime, authorities going into her house -- let`s take a look at the footage. Look at this -- a raid on Paula Broadwell`s home last night collecting computers and other information. Was national security violated as a result of this affair?

Washington is in an uproar. The entire nation is transfixed. Just trying to keep a scorecard as more and more names and details are revealed as secrets spill out.

Former General David Petraeus`s wife Holly, they have been married for 38 years. They have two adult children. Imagine how those children feel tonight. Well, tonight, a close family friend is describing how Mrs. Petraeus, who was cheated on, is feeling right now. You can imagine.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, as you can imagine, she`s not exactly pleased right now. I had a conversation with David Petraeus this weekend. He said that "furious" would be an understatement.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. Jill Kelly, she is another name that has come in to this mix. There she is, a stunning woman. As some have said -- I guess it was me. She`s in the yellow and now in the pink that she kind of looks a little like one of the Kardashians. And she originally complained to a friend of hers in the FBI, I`m getting these weird, strange, harassing, scary e-mails anonymously. Well, they investigated it and fought out they came from Paula Broadwell.

So then you have another general involved, General Allen, and the list goes on. Then there`s an FBI agent who sent topless photos to Jill Kelly.

Mark Eiglarsh, does it say something -- and you can address Mark on this and speak to -- does it say something about the state of our culture that essentially at least General Petraeus -- and this is General Allen -- but General Petraeus was engaged in a charade. Are many of us living a charade?

MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: The answer`s yes. You know, when you hear that somebody`s been married 38 years the question I always ask is, "Well, are you happy?" That`s a question that people don`t want to answer because most people are not.

I personally am very blessed. I have a magnificent wife. We go out every Saturday night -- it`s date night. We have intimacy. We connect. I don`t think that people are doing that. They`re not dedicated to having a wonderful, happy, loving marriage and so they think they`re going to find happiness on the outside only to learn that that doesn`t fill the hole in their soul and it`s miserable.

So I just -- you know, work on the marriage, don`t cheat. And if you`re the head of the doggone CIA you might want to, you know, maybe get separated and then do your thing.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Here`s the problem. You`re an exception.

But Simone Bienne, let`s be real. (AUDIO GAP for a lot of people, the lust wears off and then it`s attachment) and when your body reacts to somebody else, it is, and the intellect is a very low defense against an urge, a biological urge and sometimes the mind gets hijacked by that urge and ends up instead of fighting the bad behavior saying how do I engage in that bad behavior without anybody finding out.

SIMONE BIENNE, PSYCHOSEXUAL AND RELATIONSHIP THERAPIST: Yes -- no, Jane, I love what you said. Because basically you`re saying something that all of us women know. Sex can make fools out of a lot of men, no matter how intelligent they are -- quite frankly.

And it is a really sad thing because, look, there are people -- my good friend Dr. Drew Pinsky he`s been married for 27 years. He doesn`t cheat. Men don`t have to cheat. We can`t blame this biological urge because cheating is a sign of unethical living as I was saying and it`s a sign of immaturity. Get your needs met within your marriage. For goodness sake there are ways of spicing up our love light --


BIENNE: -- you know, really create things.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Simone, do people really, really -- do people necessarily have what it takes to remain happily married for 38 years? I know they can do it --

BIENNE: Yes, I believe so. Yes, but we as human beings, we`re not happy all of the time, are we? That is the fantasy. We`ve got to go into marriage knowing that we take the rough with the smooth.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m going to give Steve Santagati the last word but we`re running out of time. So sum it up, dude.

STEVE SANTAGATI, AUTHOR, "THE MANUAL": The bottom line is we`re human beings. Whenever you`re pointing one finger at someone you have three pointing back at yourself. I loved the way you put it earlier, Jane, when you said, you know, your mind is hijacked by your urge. We are biological human beings at the end of the day and we must be honest with ourselves. We must not let these scandals deprive us of who we really are as human beings.

I think this is really good when this stuff comes out because eventually it won`t even matter. We`re being truthful. I think political correctness has gone too far. I think all of this stuff -- you can`t even talk and say you think anymore. I want to go back to Archie Bunker in the `70s. There I said it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And let me say this. In General Petraeus`s defense, we live in a culture where a general with a lot of medals on his chest isn`t supposed to, let`s say, get divorced. He`s supposed to be this perfect family man. And any time we impose perfection on somebody, we`re essentially condemning them to creating secrets.

So I wish that we lived in a culture Where general Petraeus if he was unhappy in his marriage -- I`m saying if, I don`t know; I don`t live with them -- could say, you know what; I`m getting a divorce and I`m still going to go on and have this fabulous career and we wouldn`t punish him as a culture for that. That`s what we have to start thinking about.

All right. Fantastic panel, thank you so much.

On the other side of the break we`re going to talk about this fascinating case. We`ve got this software mogul who`s apparently allegedly on the run in Belize and then there`s another American who`s dead?

Stay right there.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: And your "Viral Vid of the Day", a five-year-old boy got a fabulous gift from a very special Darth Vader that showed up for his birthday. Check it out.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You got him. You got him. You`d better go take his mask off.



VELEZ-MITCHELL: And that is daddy returning home from military service. Navy Reservist Justin White came home from training to surprise his five -year-old son Aden. That is pretty darn fabulous.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He will do everything he can to evade custody.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s wanted for questioning. Officials in Belize are trying to track down McAfee to ask him about the murder of his neighbor.

JOHN MCAFEE, SOFTWARE MOGUL: I have an officer living on my compound. It makes me feel safe.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The people in his community were frightened of him. I was frightened.

MCAFEE: It makes me feel safer to know that all the criminals that might want to rob me know there`s a policeman living there. And they think there`s something wrong with that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The dogs died Friday night. Mr. Fall (ph) was dead Saturday night.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A housekeeper found the 52-year-old face up in a pool of blood. McAfee saw them coming and he dug a hole in the sand and buried himself in the sand, he says. He put a cardboard box over his head so he could breathe.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As time went by I realized that there was a darker side to him. He`s a person who`s very adaptive, presenting a facade.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He thought the police were closing in and that the end was imminent.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, a manhunt for a bizarre computer software multimillionaire sought for questioning in his neighbor`s murder. And now that mogul John McAfee is telling "Wired" magazine in an exclusive interview that he is on the run from cops.


JOSHUA DAVIS, CONTRIBUTING EDITOR, "WIRED MAGAZINE": On Sunday the police came to McAfee`s property to question him. McAfee saw them coming and he dug a hole in the sand and buried himself in the sand, he says. He put a cardboard box over his head so he could breathe. He said it was extremely uncomfortable but he believes that the police will kill him if he turns himself in.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: This guy is famous, McAfee, for the anti-virus computer that bears his name. Jon Leiberman, HLN contributor -- what happened here? This is a wild story.

JON LEIBERMAN, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: I`ll tell you Jane, it is. It`s a crazy mystery and here`s what police believe could be the motive at this point. The neighbor and McAfee have had a number of different disputes over the past several years, mainly involving McAfee`s dogs. Well it turns out the dogs were poisoned on Friday night and sometime between Saturday night and Sunday morning McAfee`s neighbor was gunned down with one bullet to the back of his head at close range. Police believe the poisoning of the dogs could be the motive.

Now, here`s one other factor here Jane, as well. And that is if you look at McAfee`s kind of Internet footprint, he can be found on a number of different Web sites, posting about his love and his admiration of the drug known as MDPV, which we know as bath salts. And so if he were indeed under the influence of these bath salts, then that also adds another wrinkle to this very bizarre case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And we cannot independently confirm anything about the bath salts. ABC News reporting police and the victim`s family say McAfee has become increasingly erratic and even violent. You`re looking at him right there earlier today. Jeff Wise, reporter with and author of "Extreme Fears" said this to CNN.

JEFF WISE, REPORTER, GIZMODO.COM: I`ll put it this way. Listen, we`re all innocent until proven guilty but the people in his community were frightened of him. I was frightened.

The last time I visited him, he welcomed me warmly into his home. He invited me to spend the night at his house, stay for dinner, whatever. The hairs on the back of my neck were up.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jeff Wise joins me now. Why did the hairs on the back of your neck go up when you were with this guy? What was scary about him? What do you know about his scary behavior?

WISE (via telephone): Well, you know, can you hear me?


WISE: Ok. I had been following his case for about five years. I had first gone to meet him when he was living in New Mexico and he was trying to introduce a sport to America involving flying small planes over the desert. At the time he was just a sort of a larger than life, very charismatic character and I admired his sense of adventure.

But as time went by I began to see a darker side of his personality and by the time I went to visit him this past spring, I had heard reports from people who had formerly lived in his compound with him that he`d become frightening and they were -- some of them told me that even back in the states, thousands of miles away, they feared for their safety. They worried that he might be able to reach out and somehow do them harm.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: At one point there was a raid and they charged him with running a meth lab but then they dropped the charges. Is there -- did you see any evidence of drug use?

WISE: Ok. Just to clarify, it was widely report that he was arrested for having a meth lab or something. He was never actually really charged with anything. He was arrested and let go 14 hours later. He had a chemistry lab on the property that he had built alongside a river through the jungle in the interior of the country. However, he had an excuse for having a chemistry lab which is that he purported that he had come to Belize to research a class of herbal anti-bacterial compounds. He actually had brought down a post doc from Harvard who had actually done real research in this very field which exists and kind of provided a cover for importing all these implements and chemicals and so forth.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Jeff --

WISE: So when the police raided his lab -- raided his compound, they found this lab. Now the context is why did they raid his lab? Well, McAfee had for some time been consorting with some of the most dangerous criminals in Belize, the members of these drug gangs. And I went down to talk with him and --


VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. We`re going to take a brief break, Jeff, and on the other side we`re going to find out why was this mogul allegedly consorting with these bad elements?

Stay right there.


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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jon Leiberman in this hunt for John McAfee. How much does this have to do with money?

LEIBERMAN: Well, a little bit. The "New York Post" reported extensively on his financial downfall. He was worth about $120 million at one point. But one reason why it appears he moved to Belize was for the tax benefit because he alleges he only had $3 million or $4 million left.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, Mark Eiglarsh, criminal defense attorney,, what is this manhunt going to look like as it unfolds? Do you think they`re going to catch him?

EIGLARSH: I think they`ll find him. This guy, at a minimum, is guilty of being eccentric; at a maximum being really bizarre. But that`s all we have at this point. The guy who interviewed him from "Wired Magazine" said that he saw some 9mm ammunition, which is the same type of weapon that was used to kill this gentleman. At the same time, however, McAfee is alleging that in April his two 9mm weapons were seized by law enforcement.

And also the motivation as Jon talked about earlier was that he was getting back at this guy for killing his dogs. But apparently McAfee is saying the guy said didn`t kill my dogs. The government agents did. They`re after me. So I don`t know Jane, I don`t see the hard core evidences yet.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`ll have to see if he`s paranoid or if he`s got some real concerns.

And speaking of dogs, on the other side, a very, very, very fabulous dog -- "Rico`s Rescue" is next.



VELEZ-MITCHELL: Time now for "Rico`s Rescues". Right, little Rico?

Let`s save some lives. Huh, Rico? Hey, Rico. Rico.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, Rico. Who are we going to rescue tonight? Jane Garrison, who do you got? Whose life are we going to save?

JANE GARRISON, ANIMAL ACTIVIST: Oh, this little perfect boy is named Mika. And he`s a six-month-old Dijon (ph). He`s adorable. He`s falling asleep with the light from the studio. He`s very playful, very friendly. He was dumped at the shelter. He had pneumonia. And the wonderful Bill Foundation in Los Angeles rescued him.

And he needs a home. He`s great with kids. He`s great with other dogs. And he`s just a little love bug. And he looks like a little stuffed animal.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: He`s adorable. He`s adorable. Again, these are the dogs at shelters. I mean he`s so cute. I think we have a little video of him, don`t we? Yes. There we are. He`s getting some love. Now, you can go to and what`s the other shelter you can go to?

GARRISON: Yes, right. And this dog is available through the Bill Foundation. The Bill Foundation, you can find them on line. You can find them on the HLN Web site. He`s an example of how perfect a dog you rescue can be.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We love you, little guy.

Nancy is next.