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Software Mogul Sought for Questioning in Murder

Aired November 14, 2012 - 19:00   ET


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Escalating drama and more bizarre twists in the case of famous computer software mogul John McAfee, who fled his beachfront home in paradise right after his American neighbor was murdered there. I`ll talk live with the one man McAfee has been in constant contact with while he is on the run in hiding.


VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, eccentric software mogul John McAfee speaks out from his hiding place on the run, wanted for questioning by cops in a tropical paradise after his American neighbor turns up dead with a bullet to the head. We`re learning more about why McAfee is dodging cops and talking to the one man in contact with him while he`s underground.

And a former doctor of the year arrested after a wild crash. Cops say she was on pills and alcohol and that she prescribed the pills to herself.

And now that America`s top spy has been caught in a career-ending affair, we`re asking how do you know if he`s cheating? We`ve got some of the most famous marital disasters and a mother of two who will tell us what it was like when her husband said those dreaded words, "I`ve got feelings for somebody else." And we`re taking your calls.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He will do everything he can to evade custody.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: John McAfee, who says he dug a hole in the sand and buried himself to hide from police.

JOHN MCAFEE, SOFTWARE MOGUL: I have an officer living on my compound. That makes me feel safe.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s wanted for questioning. Officials in Belize are trying to track down McAfee to ask him about the murder of his neighbor.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He told "Wired" magazine he`s afraid he was the actual target and the police could be after him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A housekeeper found 52-year-old face up in a pool of blood.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As time went by, I realized that there was a darker side to him. This is a person who`s very adaptive, who only presents one side (ph).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He thought the police were closing in and that the end was imminent.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: A tropical paradise turned into a murderous hellhole for one American, and now the government is hunting down another American, this famed eccentric software mogul, who tells "Wired" magazine he`s on the run and is not turning himself in.

Good evening. Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you live.

Take a look at some of these beautiful pictures of Belize, the beaches of Belize. This is a gorgeous Central American country, and this is where software mogul John McAfee came to live a simpler life. But instead, many said he started changing. His personality became sinister and weird.

Well now, tonight, McAfee is being hunted for questioning in the murder of his neighbor, also an American. Cops say McAfee is not a suspect, they just want to talk to him.

But McAfee is convinced whoever gunned down the neighbor, this guy, George Hall, was actually trying to target him. And he also believes cops in Belize are trying to kill him. And that`s why he says he`s in hiding, perhaps in the jungle.

Listen to the recorded interview this wanted man gave to "Wired" magazine from his secret location.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As to your speculations of what might have happened to him?

MCAFEE (via phone): I do not have a clue. The only information I have about him is what you have told me. I had no idea that he was -- he was shot execution style. I heard some things were missing. You`re the one that told me it was a 9 millimeter shell. That`s all I know.

I have no special relation other than the first thing I thought about was, "Oh, my God. He`s a white man, I`m a white man. Someone is -- you know, the government has finally decided to off me. They got the wrong white man, since we`re so -- you know, we live almost next door." And that actually went through my mind and actually scared me for quite a while.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Like I said, eccentric.

Now McAfee`s revealing that he`s even changed his appearance to evade cops in Belize. He insists he`s innocent. So why is he running? What happened to this guy? And what is the secret truth of what is going on here?

I want to hear your thoughts. Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS; 1-877-586- 7297.

Straight out to CNN`s Martin Savidge, who is live in Belize tonight. Thank you so much for joining us, Martin. I hear the prime minister of Belize has just issued a rather dramatic plea to McAfee. What do you know?

MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, he`s basically saying that the man needs to turn himself in. That authorities at this point only want to talk to him. They want to question him because of the natural fact that he was the next-door neighbor to Greg Hall, the man who was killed.

So that`s why authorities say they want to talk to him. They don`t say that they have any specific evidence that would link McAfee to murder. They don`t say anything about murder changes. And simply he was the next- door neighbor.

The two apparently did, though, have a past, a run-in, and they`ve had problems over dogs. So there was contention between that neighbor.

But right now the plea coming from the prime minister, coming from authorities is please, "John McAfee, turn yourself in. Come in with somebody else if it makes you feel safer. Nothing will happen to you." They also worry very much about McAfee`s state of mind, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, didn`t he -- didn`t the prime minister say that this guy was bonkers? Didn`t he use the word "bonkers?"

SAVIDGE: Yes, yes.


SAVIDGE: A wonderful British phrase, which essentially means, you know, crazy. And that`s the term that was used. He said that they believe he truly is crazy.

Now, is it crazy because he may be on something? Is it crazy because, in some way, he may have mentally snapped or something more subtle, that this is a man driven by fear and driven by paranoia and is responding in this way? But what they fear is that he`s not rational. And that`s their real concern.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: This is such a wild story. I`m sure it`s -- more will be revealed, Martin Savidge, live from Belize.

Now, following the murder, you just heard the prime minister of Belize saying that this guy is bonkers, meaning crazy. Several people say they`ve really become scared of McAfee. Listen to what this local realtor in Belize told ABC`s "Nightline."


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He said that he`s paranoid. I wonder if you`ve ever seen any evidence of that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Certainly. I mean, any of us who live here on the island notice that, when he`s moving about town, he`s not alone. He`s got his security personnel, his security guards with him.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Joshua Davis, contributing editor to "Wired," you have a fascinating take on this story, because you have been talking to McAfee. He`s calling you while he`s on the run?


VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s unbelievable. Wow.

DAVIS: That`s right. He`s been calling me since early Monday morning repeatedly throughout the day, throughout the night. He`s very scared. He admits that he`s paranoid, but that he feels at the same time that he`s justified in his fear.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, they say even paranoids have enemies sometimes. But we also know that paranora [SIC] -- paranoia can sometimes be a side effect of having substances in your system.

Now, I`m not saying that he does. All I can say is that we know this: in April, McAfee`s property was raided because authorities in Belize thought he was running a meth lab. He was released 14 hours later. It turned out that it was apparently just a chemistry lab.

But listen to what investigative reporter and HLN contributor Jon Lieberman told me on this show last night. And then we`re going to analyze that.


JON LIEBERMAN, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: If you look at McAfee`s kind of Internet footprint, he can be found on a number of different Web sites posting about his love and his admiration of the drug known as MDPV, which we know as bath salts. And so, if he were indeed under the influence of these bath salts, then that also adds another wrinkle.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: We have absolutely no way of independently confirming that claim about some involvement with bath salts, but we do know that bath salts gained a lot of notoriety this year after a man high on the synthetic drug started committing some horrible crimes. It does change your personality radically.

So back to Josh Davis, contributing editor with "Wired." What do you know about any possible -- again, we have absolutely no independent information. He wasn`t charged with anything. But any possible link between this man and drugs?

DAVIS: Well, I discovered the MDPV postings in August, and I spoke to McAfee in Belize when I was interviewing him there and confronted him with these postings. I said, "Did you make these postings about this drug?"

And he said yes, he did.

And I said, "Is it true, then, that you have been taking these drugs?"

And he said no, it was a prank. He posted -- he posted on the site in order to make a grand joke, he says, because the bath salts are a notoriously terrible drug. And he thought that it would be funny, in an obviously strange and twisted way, if he extolled their virtues.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Vinnie Parco, private investigator, this guy is on the run; he`s in hiding. He`s paranoid. The prime minister calls him bonkers, and they raided his residence, and they found a slew of guns. Too many to list, but Remington pump-action shotgun, all sorts of cartridges, a whole bunch of weapons. Why the guns? What do you make of it, Vinnie, as a private investigator?

VINNIE PARCO, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: Well, my experience as an investigator, a guy like that, he is paranoid. He admitted he`s paranoid. And when people are paranoid, they`re so afraid that they have security guards, which he has. They carry -- they have a lot of guns in their possession. And they`re -- they`re doing this because they`re afraid.

Now, he`s had a problem with his neighbor, and four of his dogs were killed. And apparently, a lot of people think of their animals almost like human beings. So that could be the catalyst; that could be the motive for him to shoot this man.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. I mean, his dogs were poisoned. And we know, Holly Hughes, criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor, that this mogul, this eccentric mogul, and his neighbor, who is now dead, had a long- running feud or disagreement about the dogs barking about whatever neighbors argue about.

HOLLY HUGHES, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Right. It`s a possible motive, absolutely.

But the interesting thing is that, after he has this big fight with his neighbor and says the neighbor is the one who poisoned the dogs, he also turns around, Jane, and makes additional statements, saying, "I think the government is the one who killed my dogs, and now they`re after me. And P.S., they`re also the ones who killed my neighbors, because they thought they were coming for me."

So all of the statements he`s making are so inconsistent that it does give rise to the possibility -- and again, no proof, Jane. I`m with you. We`re not making accusations, but it seems like there could be some substance abuse happening here.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: On the other side of the break, Duane Dog Chapman, the famous bounty hunter, star of a new show, "Dog."



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`ll put it this way. Listen, we`re all innocent until proven guilty. The people in his community were frightened of him. I was frightened by him. The last time I visited him, he welcomed me warmly into his home. He invited me to spend the night at his house, stay for dinner, whatever, and the hairs on the back of my neck went up.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Why were people so afraid of John McAfee?

Josh David, you`ve been talking to him -- Davis, contributing editor for "Wired." He`s a software mogul who apparently made $100 million but has said in published reports that he lost most of it. Now he`s down in Belize, and he`s being hunted for questioning.

But why the guns? Why so many guns? Why the dogs that were -- I love dogs, but these were apparently guard dogs? And why are people so afraid of him?

DAVIS: Well, he says that he is a very high-profile resident of Belize, and that attracted a lot of attention. He felt that people were trying to kidnap him or rob him, and so he hired guards, and he adopted stray dogs that were particularly vicious in order to dissuade people from coming onto his property.

And of course, the neighbors saw that and were scared, because they didn`t necessarily understand what he was doing.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me jump in and ask you this, Josh. Could he have some kind of a mental issue? And is he deteriorating, do you think? Is his outlook deteriorating as you speak to him?

DAVIS: Well, I can tell you that, from the moment that I met him in June, up until this point, he`s become increasingly paranoid. He seems very worried. He seems convinced that the government right now is trying to kill him, and that`s why he refuses to turn himself in.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Do you buy the notion that he posted this stuff about bath salts as a joke?

DAVIS: You know, in the postings, he said that he produced 50 pounds of this stuff in Belize and was distributing it throughout the country. I spoke to many people on his property who would have been in a position to see such a large-scale drug production, and none of them said that they had seen such a thing.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. Let`s go out to the phone lines...

DAVIS: ... pounds of this drug with nobody seeing it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. OK. This is a mystery. It sure is. Britney, South Carolina. Your question, your thought, Britney?

Go ahead.

CALLER: My question is, if you really didn`t do it, then why would you be on the run?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, excellent question, Vinnie Parco. Why is he on the run if he`s completely 100 percent innocent of the murder of this man, his American neighbor?

PARCO: Well, given the fact that we don`t know much about him, other than he`s been acting paranoid, that could be the reason why he`s running from them. But he looks like a likely suspect. I mean, the next-door neighbor. He had issues with the man. He carries a lot of guns in the house. So he`s -- he`s a person of interest. There`s no two ways about it.

And it`s possible that he is paranoid because of the crazy activities he`s been having lately.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: On the other side of the break, we`re digging deeper into this mystery.



MCAFEE: I have an officer living on my compound. It makes me feel safe. It makes me feel safer to know that all the criminals that might want to rob me know there`s a policeman living there. And they think there`s something wrong with that.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: This isn`t the first American man to find himself in trouble with the law abroad. You remember this case. We`re still covering it. "Survivor" producer Bruce Beresford-Redman, awaiting trial for murder in Mexico. He`s accused of killing his wife while they were on vacation there.

And who can forget this case: Gary Giordano thrown in jail in Aruba for months as a suspect in his travel companion, Robyn Gardner`s disappearance. He has since been released.

Holly Hughes, former prosecutor, criminal defense attorney, you`ve got an American victim here in Belize. You have this mogul being sought for question. He`s also an American. What are the legalities of pursuing justice in the murder of this American man?

HUGHES: Well, it`s what we call, you know, jurisdiction and venue, Jane. So everything happened in Belize. It doesn`t really matter that they`re from somewhere else. The crime itself happened there.

Whoever is charged, whether it be this particular man we`re discussing or whether it`s somebody else who is as of yet unidentified, they`re going to be brought to justice there in Belize, in the Belize courts under the Belize law. So the fact that they`re from somewhere else doesn`t really play into it at this point.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Vinnie Parco, Belize is south of Mexico, east of Guatemala. And I believe Honduras is not far away, as well. How do we know that McAfee hasn`t crossed the border? And what do we do to see if he`s in any of those places?

PARCO: Well, first of all, if he`s using a telephone in a small place like that, they can trace the phone calls. So my feeling is he`s not still -- he`s probably in one of the other countries.

I mean, the police department, even if they`re not that sophisticated, they still have access to American technology, they could probably find him. But I don`t know if he`s still on the island.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, that`s fascinating. You make a very good point. The pings, they could find him in five minutes. I mean, this is bizarre.

We`re going to go now to a very special guest, Duane "Dog" Chapman, star of the upcoming show on CMT, "Dog." And of course, well-known for "Dog the Bounty Hunter."

Duane, you captured Andrew Luster in Mexico, the cosmetics heir who fled to Mexico during his trial. How are they going to find this guy, who is not a suspect but they want to talk to in connection with this dead American in Belize?

DUANE "THE DOG" CHAPMAN, BOUNTY HUNTER/REALITY TV STAR (via phone): Well, I agree with the guest before me. Hi, by the way, how are you?


CHAPMAN: So, you know, they need to -- if he`s making communications, like she is, tap his line. I don`t know if being just a suspect, if they can get those kind of warrants. I think, once they charge him, then, you know, it opens the door to get other warrants.

But the first thing, you know, I would do if I was there, and a lot of people say he`s in the area, is use -- I would use some kind of bloodhound is what I usually use, that breed, some kind of dog to kind of track him. And, you know, if he`s not there, then plan B would be to find out when and where he left.

But what he`s -- you know, he`s communicating that he`s there staying in cabs and boats and on foot, and that`s a perfect area, perfect climate, you know, everything for to leave a scent. S

So first you`d have to eliminate is he still there by using bloodhounds. And then, of course, if he isn`t, go to tracking his cell phone and other ways to, you know, satellite to track him.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Are you saying that if -- let`s say he was on a boat off the coast and if he sees the shoreline -- I mean, Belize has a lot of shoreline -- that you could -- a dog could track him right up to the spot where he left on his boat?

CHAPMAN: Exactly right. A dog could track him right up to a spot where he left.

If he`s like a stowaway or something, of you know, he`s got a friend that`s got him out to sea, that`s could happen very easily also. But a dog would -- the scent that he lived there, sounds like, by himself a lot, so a lot of his scent is right there.

You know, a dog could track him right to literally the water`s edge or in town or wherever he could go. Because like I said, the climate right there is perfect for a dog. So that`s what I would do if I was there, is first find out if he`s around.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you know, Dog, it`s great talking to you, by the way, and you`re so good at this. I think you make a great point about the cell phone. I mean, my gosh, he`s using his cell phone. He`s got to charge it somewhere. So that gives you a hint.

And then get the pings and figure out where he is according to the pings.

We`ve got ten seconds. Dog, should that be, like, no big deal for the authorities there?

CHAPMAN: Well, like I say, it wouldn`t be if they had a warrant for him. If they want him just to question -- to talk to him, you know, he`s got a lot more rights. If you`ve got a warrant, you still have rights. You know, you have rights to go to jail, and taken humanely to there.

But you can be pinged, tapped, check and see who he`s calling. Then you`ve got, you know, that legal maneuver on your side. If they just want him for questioning, I don`t think they can do that. They may have to change the charge.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, wow. Duane "Dog" Chapman, thank you for joining us. You always give us some really good wisdom on these subjects.

And the rest of our panel, stay right there.

Our "Shocking Video of the Day." This car is about to literally fly into traffic. You may not believe who`s behind the wheel of that car. It`s an unbelievable story that we`re going to tell you all about and why it`s part of a nationwide epidemic in this country, next.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Surveillance video shows the quiet scene on State Street in Wellesley, 8:45 Friday morning. Suddenly a Subaru Outback comes barreling out of a parking lot, goes airborne before smashing into a Mercury injuring a 78-year-old man inside.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police in Wellesley, Mass., say Dr. Kristin Lynes Howard struck a delivery struck Friday morning, backed into a fence, knocked over a granite post, and then sideswiped a tree before hitting a car.


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST: Tonight, secrets revealed as a prominent ER doctor once named "Doctor of the Year", is involved in a wild car accident, a wreck. And police say they believe she was high on drugs and alcohol at the time.

Dr. Kristin Howard told cops she was buying Thanksgiving dinner but couldn`t control the accelerator on her car. The video shows her car barreling out of a grocery store parking lot, the car travels over a median, going airborne and then slams into a car that in turn slams into a truck. "Good morning America" talked to the man she hit.


PAUL MCDONALD, CRASH VICTIM: I got hammered. I thought it was in the end of the world. I thought a bomb went off inside the car.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Police say Dr. Howard tried to leave the scene of the accident and refused to take a sobriety test. They say she had quote, "numerous pills inside her jacket pocket" -- prescriptions written out to her allegedly by her. That is illegal in Massachusetts.

We didn`t have any luck reaching the doctor`s attorney. The doctor or her attorney invited on our show any time. Cops say the doctor`s speech was slurred. Her eyes were glassy, and that she had extremely constricted pupils. And did I mention she was wearing those doctor scrubs?

Dr. Howard charged with DUI causing serious bodily injury, illegal possession of prescription pills. She`s been relieved of her duties at the hospital in order to stay sober until her next court appearance.

Straight out to addiction specialist Howard Samuels, CEO and founder of The Hills Treatment Center. Local affiliate WCVP reports that police found prescription drugs, Class C and Class E in her possession. Now hypothetically, what are the drugs in those two general categories, C and E?

HOWARD SAMUELS, CEO/FOUNDER, THE HILLS TREATMENT CENTER: Well, Jane, first of all, Class C has Vicodin, has Valium, has Prozac, has GHB; it has tranquilizers and benzos. So it`s a dangerous, addictive classification. Class E is pretty much non-narcotic, except for maybe cough syrup with small amounts of codeine, Tylenol with small amounts of codeine.

But you know, it`s the Class C that I think that is the real issue, because if you mix Class C drugs with alcohol, this, what you saw on the tape is the result.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, first of all, the drugs we mentioned, I have absolutely no idea if any of those were involved in this case. But we wanted to give an umbrella of some of the drugs that are in those two categories that were mentioned by police as having been found at the scene.

There is a very good reason why doctors are not supposed to prescribe to themselves. And the reason for that is, they have extraordinary access, extraordinary access to mood altering meds. And so if they were able to write themselves as many scripts as they wanted to, they could become easily hooked.

Art, in fact, imitates life on the cable show, "Nurse Jackie". She`s a nurse addicted to pain meds, and here is a clip from the Showtime show and YouTube.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t keep secrets, Jackie.



VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`re so delighted to have with us tonight Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN chief medical correspondent. You are doing an amazing documentary about this very subject, and I applaud you. I really feel that this is one of the big, big problems America faces. You know all the stats, but tell us about your documentary and why this is such a crisis for Americans today.

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: I`ve noticed that -- Jane thanks for having me. I noticed that the number -- working in the hospital, the number of pain prescriptions being given out just seemed to be going up anecdotally. I started to do some research on that you find that the number of pain prescriptions over a ten-year period went up 600 percent, Jane. That certainly got my attention.

And I also got a call from the former president, President Clinton once and just a few months ago when he told me the media really needed to shine a light on this. He had two friends of his -- people that he was close to -- who both lost -- both of those men lost their sons within a few days of each other due to, as he describes it, accidental prescription drug overdoses.

So that really is what got our attention on this. One of the men -- and this is sort of to your point I think a little bit -- these people can be very high functioning, they can surprise you in terms of who they are.

One of them was a man named Benjamin. I want you to hear just a little bit how he was described.


STUART BRIDGE, FRIEND OF VICTIM: He worked for the State Department and he was going to graduate in a year with a dual law and MBA degree -- the type of person that it doesn`t run through your head that he`s having a problem because he does so well.

BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: He was industrious but he was normal. He liked to have a good time. He had -- I promise you that night, he had no idea that he was turning out the lights - - none. And if it`s true of him, it`s got to be true of a lot of other people.


GUPTA: Jane, just to your point a little bit, you know. Again, take a look there, 80 percent of the pain pills, by the way, in the world are taken right here in the United States. It`s an amazing statistic.

But you talk about this doctor. No one is immune from this problem that you`re describing, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, yes. Addiction -- and I say that as somebody in recovery, 17 years sober. It doesn`t matter how educated you are, how rich you are, how beautiful you are, how ugly you are, how heavy you are, how thin you are. It knows no boundaries. Once an addiction -- and I`m not saying for sure she`s an addict. Let`s let her -- this lady have her day in court. But once it takes control of you, you`re -- I would say speaking from personal experience -- a zombie to that urge.

And we have to realize that this -- it doesn`t matter whether it`s legal or illegal. Addiction is addiction; narcotics are narcotics.

Dr. Howard is an award-winning emergency room doctor. Her attorney admitted in court, however, she`s experiencing some personal problems. Here`s what the doctor told police at the scene of the accident.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was wearing hospital scrubs and indicated that she was on her way to work in Wellesley hospital and that she was a doctor in the emergency room.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Holly Hughes, criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor, what kind of trouble is this woman in legally?

HOLLY HUGHES, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, if they`ve charged -- they`ve charged her with DUI and with the drugs. But what we need to know is, number one, was she even under the influence? Just because she had drugs on her person, we don`t know if she had taken them. They might not be in her blood stream. She is after all an ER doc.

So we need to know, you know -- if she`s convicted, Jane, she could be facing quite a few years in prison. But at this point, it`s only an allegation, and the stress that she`s under as an ER doctor and the reason her eyes were glassy could be a very simple explanation that she was tired. So we need to know what the results of the blood they would have drawn from her say.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Especially because reports say that she refused to take a test. We always want to make sure we don`t jump to conclusions.

HUGHES: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let her have her day in court. But I want to get back to Dr. Sanjay Gupta`s incredible documentary. I hope we all watch it, this Sunday, I certainly will. 8:00 p.m., Dr. Sanjay Gupta`s report about the prescription drug overdose epidemic, "DEADLY DOSE".

Sanjay, I want to thank you for doing this. This is something Americans need to focus on. It`s destroying so many lives, so many people are keeling over --


VELEZ-MITCHELL: -- more than from illegal drugs at this point. And I thank you for standing up to some very powerful interests to bring this important information to Americans. So I`ll be watching it.

GUPTA: Thank you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Maybe we`ll talk to you after it airs and see what the reaction is that you`ve gotten.

GUPTA: I`d love to. And you know, look, I mean the media can do good, as you know Jane, in these situations. I mean people generally know that this is not a good idea to take -- to mix these drugs together. But I don`t think they hear it often enough, and I don`t mean to sound dramatic here, but they don`t hear often enough that this could kill you.

And you know me well enough, Jane, you know that I`m not prone to hyperbole or even drama but that`s an important message that people need to hear.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. Thank you. Thank you so much.

GUPTA: Thank you.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: This used to be my garbage can. Kind of sounds like a Madonna song, doesn`t it? Well, guess what? This is my new garbage can. Look how tiny this little fellow is. And guess what? It even comes with a reusable garbage bag. This is how little I throw out that I don`t recycle.

The recyclable containers that I have, this is where the recycles go - - right -- much larger. Or you can use your traditional garbage can as your recycle can. It`s all about changing the equation to emphasize the environment. It`s that easy. Healthy body, healthy mind.


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VELEZ-MITCHELL: More secrets spilling out in the four-star military sex scandal that just about everybody in the world is talking about tonight. The scandal, of course, began when the secret affair between retired general and CIA chief, David Petraeus and his biographer, Paula Broadwell came to light.

And then it spread to e-mails between this Florida socialite Jill Kelley and the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, General John Allen. Now, the jury is still out on the nature of the e-mails between these two. U.S. officials who`ve seen them say they`re sexy and not the type of e-mails you would want your wife to read. But a source close to General Allen said the e-mails were not romantic in nature. It was an anonymous e-mail to General Allen describing Kelley as a seductress that was linked by the FBI to Paula Broadwell and blew the scandal wide open.

Ok. Let`s focus on one of these participants, Jill Kelley, the Tampa housewife -- very nice dress, very pretty. Her parties and social events drew many of the military`s top brass to her home in Tampa. She thought of herself it seems as a diplomat.

Listen to how she bizarrely describes her own home in this 911 call for somebody -- she`s reporting somebody who trespassed on her property.


JILL KELLEY, TAMPA SOCIATLIE: I don`t know if by any chance -- because I`m an honorary consul general, so I have inviolability so they should not be able to cross my property. I don`t know if you want to get diplomatic protection involved as well. But now -- because that`s against the law to cross my property, since this is now like, you know, it`s inviolable.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: I don`t know. I have no idea what she was saying there. It was diplomatese (ph).

We`re learning more about the other woman in this case -- voila, Paula Broadwell -- who turned her work on the biography of General Petraeus into a sexual affair. She seemed to drop hints when you look back at her interviews. Listen carefully because some of her phraseology is fascinating.


PAULA BROADWELL, ALLEGEDLY HAD AFFAIR WITH DAVID PETRAEUS: When I realized the opportunity I had to tell this message, to present this portrait of strategic leadership. It`s not a hagiography and none of them were David Petraeus. But I think he does present a terrific role model for young people, for executives, for men and women. No matter what -- there`s a great role model there, who is values oriented, who speaks the truth to power.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, the key point was, I`m not in love with David Petraeus. When you think back, like why is she saying that?

I want to go to Jenna Cooley. You write very honestly and courageously about your own husband`s infidelity. You`re a life coach. Thank you for joining us.

First of all, how does this hit you as a woman who has been betrayed and when you see there Mrs. Petraeus, right next to the mistress, what do you think that Holly Petraeus, Mrs. David Petraeus, is going through knowing this gorgeous woman, who was his biographer, was really sleeping with him?

JENNA COOLEY, LIFE COACH: Thanks for having me, Jane. I know what she`s going through. She`s going through grief. She`s going through devastation. I`ve been there. I worked with so many people who are going through just this. It`s tragic.

And I`m so glad that you`re focusing on her tonight because the attention goes to General Petraeus, it goes to this paramour, it goes to everybody else often but the wife.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to go through seven signs -- I got this off the Internet, -- that he`s cheating. Ok, seven signs. He`s working out and dressing better. He`s critical and picks fights. He`s suddenly very nice and won`t let you near his cell phone. He spends a lot of time online. He goes out certain nights of the week with regularity. And lastly, he no longer wants to have sex

Did you see some of these signs in retrospect with your husband?

COOLEY: Absolutely. Absolutely. And you know, in retrospect, I was definitely in denial. Denial serves its function. It has a purpose. It keeps us feeling protected and safe until we`re ready to face reality. I had a new baby, I had a two-year-old, I was in the midst of motherhood and nurturing and loving these kids. And the man that I trusted most was out with somebody he worked with, similar situation. Close quarters, adrenaline surging, fire-fighting kind of work, similar to politics. A lot of these jobs, this is where it happens, they connect.

And I -- I didn`t see it, but in retrospect, I did. My gut said there was something wrong. And I didn`t listen because I wasn`t ready to. Once I was ready to face it, I knew. And I confronted it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. You know, somebody once said to me, if somebody is making you feel like you are crazy, you`re not crazy.

More on the other side.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Time for your pet pics of the day. Foxy Mama Malibu you are fashionable. Fabulous. Vinnie, you are also fashionable and fabulous. Andy you are just darn cute and Bitsy adorable, beyond adorable. Oh, my gosh.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Vinnie Parco, private eye, how do you catch a cheater?

VINNIE PARCO, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: Well, there`s a lot of ways. One thing is they mention before look at the cell phone and see if there are unusual calls on the phone. Check credit card receipts. Sometimes people have a habit of using their credit card to take someone to a hotel or motel or to a dinner.

Check -- as a matter of fact check their underwear drawer. Sometimes a man who wears boxers all of a sudden has briefs and sexy underwear. For a man that is another tell tale sign. And also for women, also, they have lingerie that they never use for their husbands. That`s a tell-tale sign that they might be cheating.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. I think it is fascinating. I would also try to look at what Web sites they are visiting on the Internet because so many things can go on the Internet. Dating Web sites, that`s another thing to look for. More on the other side.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jenna Cooley, what were the specific signs that you noticed to indicate your husband was cheating?

COOLEY: Well, Jane, a lot of overtime. Unexplained absences, just a general aloofness, disinterest in the family that he had previously, late night phone calls and my gut said so. When the gut tells you, it is probably happening. I knew who it was before I even had to ask because he talked about her a lot. That is another key sign.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And what about not to get too personal but did he not want to be with you intimately?

COOLEY: I would say that that wasn`t a complete withdrawal as it is in many cases. There was still some but a little bit less than before certainly.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you for your honesty. Thank you for sharing your story and giving us your tips.

Nancy Grace is next.