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NANCY GRACE

Teen Boy Goes Missing Visiting Dad

Aired November 28, 2012 - 20:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Colorado. Daddy leaves home 7:30 AM To run errands, but when he comes home just four hours later, his 13-year-old son Dylan gone.

Bombshell tonight. The 13-year-old boy reported missing 5:00 PM that evening. As cadaver dogs hit at a nearby lake, at this hour, investigators still refusing to call Dylan`s disappearance a kidnapping or a runaway. Tonight, where is 13-year-old Dylan Redwine?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right now, crews in Colorado are searching a reservoir, looking for a missing teenager.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thirteen-year-old Dylan Redwine -- you see him there -- vanished from his father`s home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The family says there`s no way Dylan would have run away. It`s not like him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t know if somebody`s hiding him or if somebody`s already done something horrible to him. But somebody knows where he`s at.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The search to find Dylan is growing daily, which includes volunteers and many of Dylan`s friends.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A deputy working this case says he has never seen anything like this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: About everything that you can see north of me, east and west, has been part of the search area.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) him. You know, he was my hero just as much as I was his.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Divers and cadaver dogs are searching the Vallecito Reservoir near Redwine`s father`s home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The visit came just months after Dylan and his mother had moved some six hours away.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) foul play. I think somebody knows where he is.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.

Bombshell tonight. To Colorado. Daddy leaves home 7:30 AM, comes home four hours later, his 13-year-old son, Dylan, gone. At this hour, investigators still refusing to call the boy`s disappearance a kidnapping or a runaway. So where is 13-year-old Dylan?

We are taking your calls. Straight out to Dan O`Donnell, anchor and reporter, WTMJ. Dan, what do we know?

DAN O`DONNELL, WTMJ: Well, we know that Dylan was dropped off at his father`s -- Mark`s house. He took a flight in on Sunday night. This was right before Thanksgiving. By Monday morning, 7:30 AM, Mark, the father, went out to run some errands. 11:30 was the last time anybody had seen Dylan.

Mark apparently told investigators he touched off a frantic search of his own, but didn`t report young Dylan missing until about four or five hours later. Later Monday afternoon, Dylan was reported missing, has not been seen since.

GRACE: To Jon G. Denny, joining me from KKOB. Jon, what errands did the father run?

JON G. DENNY, KKOB (via telephone): You know, we don`t exactly know, but the police -- the La Plata County sheriff`s department said he was just out all day. And they`re talking to businesses in the area, trying to see if he was in any of those.

GRACE: Well, let me ask you this, Dan O`Donnell. Based on what Jon just told me -- Dan joining me from WTMJ -- Dan, the parents are split up, right?

O`DONNELL: Yes, the parents are split up. In fact, about a year ago, Mark`s ex-wife, Elaine, Dylan`s mother, moved Dylan about six hours away. So yes, they have been split up.

GRACE: So Dan, this is a visit to the father for Thanksgiving, correct?

O`DONNELL: Yes. This was a court-ordered visit. It was going to be a week-long visit.

GRACE: So that`s a yes.

O`DONNELL: Yes.

GRACE: Dan O`Donnell, he gets there on Sunday, is that correct?

O`DONNELL: Yes.

GRACE: So he gets there on Sunday. At about what time does he arrive at his father`s house?

O`DONNELL: I believe it was in the afternoon, in the evening.

GRACE: OK. So he gets there afternoon, evening. And then next morning, the father -- this is a visit from six hours away, hasn`t seen his son in a while, and he leaves to do about four hours of errands without his son?

O`DONNELL: Yes, that`s what investigators say happened.

GRACE: OK. Ellie Jostad, do we know what errands the father was running?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: No, we don`t, Nancy, and that is a question we`ve asked investigators. They say that they understand -- they have accounted for his whereabouts, but we don`t know specifically where he was.

GRACE: Oh, so they`re saying -- let me see that video in full, Liz. There`s the boy right there. Whoa! So cute! This 13-year-old little boy missing.

So Ellie, I try to be the perfect mom. I know I`m not. But why did the dad leave a 13-year-old boy alone for four hours?

JOSTAD: Yes, and that`s a question we don`t have an answer to. Dad says he left 7:30 in the morning, comes back four hours later, 11:30. He is not there. Now, some of his friends said, you know, they were planning to see him that morning, but he never made it to the friends` house and they didn`t hear from him.

GRACE: I want to go to Sergeant Dan Bender, spokesperson for the La Plata County sheriff`s office, joining me out of Durango. Sergeant, thank you so much for being with us.

We want to help. We want to help find this boy. And I pray to God this boy is alive. You know, a lot of doubt is being cast on the dad. Why would you leave your child alone for fours when you just got him? This is a visit, the Thanksgiving visit, but -- nobody`s saying he`s a perfect dad.

What I want to find out is, where was the dad? Can we really account for his whereabouts for those four hours?

SGT. DAN BENDER, LA PLATA CTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE (via telephone): The investigators checked at the different locations that Mark Redwine said he was at during that time, including a meeting or two in Durango, I believe. And those were confirmed.

GRACE: OK. So his whereabouts are accounted for. Question. Sergeant, was there any activity on the home telephone or the computer while Dad was gone?

BENDER: Those are things that the investigators have looked into, and I don`t have that information.

GRACE: Out to the lines. John in Tennessee. Hi, John. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hi, Nancy. Love your show.

GRACE: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just wanted to say, it seems like in cases like this, you always seem to think the dad did it. You`re casting some doubt on the dad. And I`m just wondering why that`s the case. I mean, couldn`t there have been a sex offender in the area?

GRACE: You`re absolutely right, John in Tennessee, there could be a sex offender in the area. And this area is like every other area in the United States. There`s sex offenders all around in everybody`s neighborhood. And you can look that up on line, by the way. So sure.

But what I`m doing, John in Tennessee, is I`m not always casting doubt on the dad. I always -- all investigators start the investigation with those closest to the victim, and that would be in this case mother and father.

So the mother is six hours away. I know he was last seen at the father`s house. So that`s where I start my investigation. Who saw the boy last?

I`ve got another question. To you, Ellie, what do we know about this little boy`s texting? Did he have a cell phone? Did he text? Did he e- mail? What do we know?

JOSTAD: Yes, he did have a cell phone, according to his mom, Elaine Redwine. And she said, too, just the fact that -- according to cell records she`s seen, the fact that there was no activity on Dylan`s cell phone after 8:00 PM is very unusual. She says this is a tech-savvy kid who is always texting.

So the fact he didn`t text anybody Sunday night or Monday morning she finds odd.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The search for Dylan Redwine was focused here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s a very mountainous and remote area. It`s a huge area, basically, to search.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One of Dylan`s fishing poles was discovered there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t know if somebody`s hiding him or if somebody`s already done something horrible to him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The family believes he was abducted or that foul play was involved.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Divers and cadaver dogs are searching the Vallecito Reservoir near Redwine`s father`s home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dylan Redwine disappeared from his father`s home. He was visiting his father for Thanksgiving on a court-ordered visit.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two boats, both of them equipped with sonar equipment.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Heartbreak, you know, not knowing what`s -- what they`re looking for, what`s in there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Divers return to a Colorado lake as the search for a missing boy now enters its second week. Thirteen-year-old Dylan Redwine -- you see him there -- vanished from his father`s home during a court- appointed visit for Thanksgiving break. The visit came just months after Dylan and his mother had moved some six hours away.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His mom is making a desperate plea for his return. Police are considering all scenarios, including the possibility that Dylan may have been abducted.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think there was foul play. I think somebody knows where he is. I don`t know if somebody`s hiding him or if somebody`s already done something horrible to him, but somebody knows where he`s at. And they need to come -- they need to come forward.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Somebody does know where this little boy is at. That`s Dylan`s mom speaking out on ABC`s "GMA." Where is Dylan?

He travels about six hours for a Thanksgiving visit with his dad. He`s set to stay a week. He gets there late Sunday afternoon. Monday morning, 7:30 AM, Dad goes out to run errands for about four hours without the boy. When he gets back home, little Dylan is gone.

Take a look at this boy. There is a chance we can find him tonight. Look at Dylan! Don`t turn away. Look at this boy! Some friends think he was headed to another friend`s home and may have even hitchhiked. Where is Dylan Redwine?

Ellie, I understand that a neighboring lake has -- is being looked at. What do we know?

JOSTAD: Right, Nancy. There is a reservoir, the Vallecito Reservoir, which is only about four-and-a- half miles from the dad`s home. There was, reportedly, and the sheriff`s office just confirmed this with us, a cadaver dog, actually, two cadaver dogs that hit on that lake. So there was this huge search, which you see there in the video, divers in the water, boats on the water. And they were unable to locate anything that the dogs may have responded to.

GRACE: You know, those dogs could`ve responded to anything. I`m not convinced that their hit on this lake had anything to do with this little boy.

Out to the lines. Max in Florida. Hi, Max. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hi, there, Nancy. You know, you can`t beat Midwesterners for being full of humanity, I mean, the way they have started to search for this young man. Has anybody questioned his friends? That`s one question. And is there any problem between the husband and the wife?

GRACE: Marital problems. Out to you -- Sergeant Dan Bender is joining us, spokesperson from La Plata County sheriff`s office. Have the friends, the little friends, been interviewed?

BENDER: We have interviewed everyone that we`ve been able to identify who knew or had any time spent with Dylan, and several of those have been multiple interviews.

GRACE: Question, Sergeant. He was visiting his dad. How often did he visit?

BENDER: I don`t know what the history of the visitation was.

GRACE: Well, what I`m trying to get at, Sergeant, is did he even have friends in that area?

BENDER: Dylan actually lived in the Bayfield and Vallecito area -- they`re two towns very close to each other -- for a number of years. He went through the schools there. So he has many friends in the area.

GRACE: So he does have a lot of friends there.

To Dan O`Donnell, WTMJ. Where did the information come that he might have tried to hitchhike to a friend`s house?

O`DONNELL: Well, that was sort of the speculation amongst some of the friends. But the worry there was that if he was going to hitchhike -- as the sheriff said, he had friends in the area. There was concern that he didn`t hitchhike to a friend`s house, and that if he might have tried -- because we`re hearing that he has hitchhiked before, at least tried to hitchhike before. The friends were all concerned that they -- that he would`ve gone to see them, and he obviously didn`t.

GRACE: Man, this kid is scrubbed in sunshine. Did you see that beautiful little face? Tonight, the search is on for this 13-year-old boy. Can you help us? Tip line 1-800-THE-LOST.

To James in Montana. Hi, James. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, Nancy. I`ve seen -- I`ve seen this dad on the local news begging for his son to come home. I think he was even crying. And I`m just kind of outraged that all the blame`s being put on him right now. And I was just wondering, has -- I think there was a brother and a mom. I think they lived with the boy. Have they both been cleared?

GRACE: OK. First of all, James in Montana, all the -- the -- nobody`s pointing a finger at the dad. Let me just tell you that right now. But it is typical in police investigations that you start where the person was last seen.

As far as I know -- Ellie, help me out here. As far as I know, after he texted on Sunday night that he had arrived safely, he was never heard or seen from again by anybody but the father. And he`s a prolific texter. This kid texts all the time.

JOSTAD: Yes, that`s right, Nancy. We don`t have any confirmed reports that anybody saw him between 8:00 PM Sunday until 7:30 AM on Monday morning. Now, there are some sightings after he was reported missing that have not been yet confirmed, but they still can`t substantiate those.

GRACE: Sergeant Bender, is it true that nobody can confirm he is seen or heard from since he texted home when he arrived at his dad`s house Sunday night?

BENDER: My understanding is -- and our investigators have checked his cell phone. Also, cell phones have GPS`s, so if they`re turned on, that gives a general location of the person. And we have been following up on those right along, and there`s been no activity on his phone whatsoever since Sunday evening sometime.

GRACE: Out to the lines. Don in Georgia. Hi, Don. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, Nancy. I was wondering why the father would not take his son on these errands, if he`s not living with him. Why just leave him at home alone while he`s out doing these supposed errands?

GRACE: You know, Don, there`s no way I would leave my twins at home. Of course, they`re only 5 years old.

Special guest joining me Denise Hess, a close friend of the family helping to organize these searches. Ms. Hess, thank you for being with us. Why didn`t he take his son on the errands? That`s a question a lot of parents have tonight.

DENISE HESS, FAMILY FRIEND (via telephone): You know, Nancy, we live in a very small community, and Dylan is 13 years old. And so I don`t think that it`s uncommon for someone who has a teenager that maybe doesn`t want to get up first thing in the morning to go and run errands and then come back and get them where they need to be.

We -- we look out for each other`s children. We watch out. We know where everybody`s children are. And so people feel safe here.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Three trained dogs found four locations near the dam where a human scent was picked up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Vanished from his father`s home during a court- appointed visit for Thanksgiving break. The visit came just months after Dylan and his mother had moved some six hours away.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Foul play or abduction could have been involved.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And Dylan`s family was asked to bring more of his clothes by investigators so the dogs could pick up a better scent.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Heartbreak, you know, not knowing what`s -- what they`re looking for, what`s in there, what -- you know, we have no question and no answers, either.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Where is Dylan? There is a chance we can help find him tonight. This little boy goes to visit dad for Thanksgiving holiday. He gets there Sunday afternoon into the evening. He texts mom back home he`s OK and he`s safe. He`s never seen by anybody else again. Dad goes out for errands the following morning, 7:30 AM. When he gets home four hours later, the little boy is gone.

Out to Marc Klaas. Marc, weigh in.

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION (via telephone): Well, first of all, Nancy, people are pointing a lot of fingers at the father because he was the last person to see Dylan alive, also because law enforcement is not treating this like a runaway, by any means, not if they`re taking cadaver dogs into lakes, not if they`re running multi-jurisdictional searches.

And also, the father is being very mean towards the mother and the brother. He`s not contacting them. He`s not providing any information to them. He`s a reluctant witness, as far as the media goes.

So I can understand why people would point fingers at this guy. And I think that he has to be a lot more forthcoming if we`re going to have a chance of finding Dylan.

I don`t believe this little boy ran away. His cell phone, apparently, was turned off immediately, which was out of character. So nothing is adding up in this case.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Search efforts were ramped up.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s a huge area, basically, to search.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The chance of the scent being anything other than human is unlikely.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hopes are high, but the situation isn`t very promising, so...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think anyone that has a child would understand how devastated the family is.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... the fact that foul play or abduction could have been involved. Because of that reason, that`s why the FBI has decided to step up its presence in this case.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I can`t even explain it, you know, I mean, it just tears you up inside, you know, not knowing where, what he`s doing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It started with the search and rescue dogs, who are trained to pick up the scent of humans even under water. Bubbles from down below allow that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If it`s an air scent dog, that dog`s going to pick up the scent in the air or along surface of the ground or water.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Three trained dogs found four locations near the dam where a human scent...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think there was foul play. I think someone knows where he is. I don`t know if somebody`s hiding him or if somebody`s already done something horrible to him, but somebody knows where he`s at. And they need to come -- they need to come forward.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That is Dylan`s mother speaking out, begging for help on ABC`s "GMA." Where is Dylan? There is a chance his life can be saved.

We are taking your calls. I want to go out to you, Jon Denny, news reporter joining me from KKOB. For those just joining us, Jon, give me the update. What`s the latest in the search for this little boy?

DENNY: What I understand, the search has been called off as far as the lake, the Vallecito Reservoir. And police are going door to door in the neighborhood north of the dad`s home, interviewing people.

GRACE: To you, Dan O`Donnell. Give it to me in a thumbnail. This little boy goes to visit Dad for Thanksgiving holiday. It`s about six hours away from here his mother and siblings now live. He gets there safely around afternoon, evening on Sunday before Thanksgiving, Monday morning dad heads out for errands, 7:30 a.m. Comes home four hours later, the boy`s gone.

What else do we know, Dan O`Donnell?

O`DONNELL: Right, well, the boy was last seen at 11:30, the father told investigators that he started his search on his own for about four hours, didn`t report him missing until the early evening on that Monday. The most bizarre thing about this case, though, Nancy, is that Dylan, a prolific texter as most 13-year-old boys are who have cell phones -- his phone was not used since 8:00 p.m. Sunday night. His phone was not even on after 8:00 p.m. Sunday night.

GRACE: Let`s analyze what we know.

OK. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst. Bethany, my little boy just turned 5, and when people come to the door, I haven`t given him an iPad or nothing like that. But when people come to the door, he goes, I`m going to need your cell phone now because he knows how to look up games on an iPhone and find stuff. He keeps trying to get my BlackBerry to look up games. So when they`re into it, they`re into it. What does this mean?

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": Yes. Well, and also this little boy`s older brother Cory, the 21-year-old, said that the little boy was glued to his cell phone and that if he was ever in trouble or needed anything he would`ve called his older brother, mother, and stepfather. And the fact that he hasn`t reached out does not speak well.

You know, the mother of this little boy said something very interesting. She said of her ex-husband, he is the kind of guy that could tell himself if I can`t have Dylan nobody will. That`s a very sophisticated comment into the mindset of her ex-husband. And it tells me that she had insight into his character and that she was worried for this little boy. The fact that the dad is pleading for his son`s safe return tells us nothing about his culpability.

What one needs to listen to in the interviews with the father is, does he have empathy toward the missing boy? And does he have empathy towards his ex-wife and extended family? For instance, is he saying, I`m worried about my little boy, does he have food, shelter, please bring him home?

GRACE: Back to you, Ellie. You heard Marc Klaas say that the father is being, quote, "mean." Not sharing information with the mother. I can`t even imagine not knowing where my children are. What did -- what do you -- what do you know about that, Ellie, about saying the dad is not sharing information?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE CHIEF EDITORIAL PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, it`s unclear exactly what the mom, Elaine Redwine, is referring to. She`s given a couple of quotes to local media where sometimes it seems as if she`s talking about Dylan, sometimes it seems as though she`s talking about the father, Mark Redwine, where she says she hasn`t been able to reach them and he`s been evasive.

Now if she`s talking about Mark Redwine, he says that`s not true, he says she`s making this into more than it needs to be. He says he doesn`t want to lash out at her. So that`s been his response to the things she`s said.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Kirby Clements, Atlanta, Randy Zelin, New York.

Kirby Clements, I`ve gotten a lot of callers saying why are you focusing on the dad, you were a prosecutor before you became a defense lawyer. That`s just SOP, not the dad necessarily, but whoever was with the child last and their immediate family, then if you don`t get answers, you move out to neighbors, extended family, friends, teachers.

You move out, out, out, out until you get some information. So it`s not the dad himself, it`s just that`s where he was last.

KIRBY CLEMENTS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I agree with you, Nancy. I mean, you know, an investigation is very painful for the people that are -- that are sometimes the victims of, you know, the loss because they get looked at like suspects initially, but you have to rule out those people. And that`s part of the process.

GRACE: Hey, Kirby, how old are your children now?

CLEMENTS: My son is 17 and my daughter`s 12.

GRACE: Right. I knew that one was in the 12 or 13 area. Would you -- mine are 5, so of course I wouldn`t leave them alone. Would you leave the 13-year-old alone for four hours?

CLEMENTS: You know, it`s my daughter, I`m one of those crazy dads, so --

GRACE: So no?

CLEMENTS: No, I probably wouldn`t.

GRACE: So I`m not going to call DFACS on you tonight.

CLEMENTS: I mean, I left my son alone, though, when he was 13, but my daughter, that`s my baby girl, so, no.

GRACE: Out to the lines, Rose, South Carolina. Hi, Rose, what`s your question?

ROSE, CALLER FROM SOUTH CAROLINA: Yes, I hope you had a fantastic Thanksgiving, by the way.

GRACE: I really did. I really did. Thank you.

ROSE: Oh, good, good. We did, too. My question is -- I don`t care if they`re boys or girls, I would never leave my kids home at the age of 13 by themselves because, first of all, they`re too curious at that age. And second of all, why didn`t the father take him? I know everybody`s focusing on the dad, but why didn`t he take him with him? Even -- I mean, four hours, that`s four hours he lost of time with his child.

GRACE: To Sergeant Dan Bender, joining me from the sheriff`s office. Any explanation about why he did not take his son with him to run errands? It may have been as simple as Denise has said that a lot of -- that a lot of boys don`t want to get up that early.

BENDER: That was something that the father did mention.

GRACE: And to you, Sgt. Bender, please help me out. The mother is indicating the father is not sharing information with her?

BENDER: I`ve heard that in the media.

GRACE: OK. So you don`t have a beat on that.

Ellie, do we know when the mom finally learned that the little boy was missing?

JOSTAD: It`s my understanding that she learned that Dylan was missing shortly after around the same time that the dad reported him missing. She said she jumped in her car in Colorado Springs, 300 some miles away, and headed straight to Vallecito to help look for him.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Dylan`s family says investigators were brought to the dam after one of Dylan`s fishing poles was discovered there. Dylan`s brother Cory was among the many who watched as a dive team from New Mexico searched the dog spotted areas in the lake.

He and his brother are close, really close. The family says there`s no way Dylan would`ve run away. It`s not like him. They believe he was abducted or that foul play was involved.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Dylan`s family was asked to bring more of his clothes by investigators so the dogs could pick up a better scent.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Where is this little boy Dylan? Take a look at Dylan Redwine.

We`re taking your calls, Amy, New Jersey. Hi, Amy. What`s your question?

AMY, CALLER FROM NEW JERSEY: Hi, Nancy. My heart really goes out to this family. Did the dad ever take a polygraph?

GRACE: Good question. Out to Sgt. Dan Bender. Did he take a poly?

BENDER: I do know that the investigators spoke with him on a number of occasions, that would be information on the ongoing investigation, I couldn`t refer to now.

GRACE: To Denise Hess, this is a very close friend of the family. She`s even organizing searches for this little boy.

Denise, do we know if the father`s taken a polygraph?

HESS: I do not know that information. I`ve been in close contact with the family, but, of course, I`m sure investigators are telling them to not really speak publicly even with close friends at this point.

GRACE: Denise, what is the custody situation with little Dylan?

HESS: Dylan was awarded -- his mother was awarded full custody of him in September and then his father was awarded visitation on certain days.

GRACE: So how far apart do the mother and the father actually live?

HESS: It takes about traveling by -- by car, it takes about five hours to reach Colorado Springs from here.

GRACE: OK. Did Dylan drive or fly to his dad`s?

HESS: He flew in to the Durango Airport here. It`s my understanding around 6:00 or 6:30 Sunday evening.

GRACE: And what if anything did the father have planned to do with the little boy during the vacation?

HESS: I don`t know of anything specific. I know when I had spoke with the father at one point he said that they had gone shopping after they got off the -- after he picked up Dylan at the airport they had gone shopping for groceries and had talked about what they wanted to do for Thanksgiving.

I do know that Dylan had planned to spend time with friends and that he was supposed to be his friends around 6:30 in the morning, and it was his intent to get up and his dad to drive him to meet his friends at 6:30 in the morning.

GRACE: You mean on Monday morning?

HESS: Yes.

GRACE: OK. That`s interesting. That`s a new fact I didn`t know. I wonder what happened to that plan because the dad left at 7:30 without Dylan.

HESS: The dad said that Dylan had been up fairly late, the evening before he flew -- the night before he flew in to Durango. And he was really tired they had gone to bed. And that he had gotten up in the morning, stirred around the house, made some noise trying to get Dylan up, and Dylan didn`t want to get up and go into town at that time.

GRACE: Do we know, Denise Hess, whether there was any forced entry? Was anything taken from the home? And does the home have a burglar alarm or surveillance cameras on it?

HESS: I don`t know any of that information.

GRACE: OK.

Everyone, with me, close friend of the family, Denise Hess, and Denise, what is the relationship between the mother and the father? Is that still contentious?

HESS: Yes, they -- they`ve been back and forth over a few things. You know, a lot of divorces get nasty and messy and, you know, it`s unfortunate that people can`t always get along. But I don`t know that -- I don`t know. I don`t know how to answer that.

GRACE: Yes.

HESS: I don`t know that.

GRACE: Or one of the issues they fought about Dylan?

HESS: Not really to my knowledge until Elaine was awarded custody of Dylan and then Mark went and asked for visitation rights. That`s the only thing I know of. Other than that --

GRACE: How did the mom manage to get full custody?

HESS: I don`t know. I think that I need to clarify that she had -- it`s primary custodial rights.

GRACE: Yes. Yes. Yes.

HESS: So -- yes.

GRACE: That is different, Denise, you`re absolutely right about that.

Randy Zelin, explain the difference.

RANDY ZELIN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, the difference is when you`re talking about custody, you can have one parent being awarded sole custody. You can have parents being awarded joint custody. However, one parent has physical custody.

I`m divorced, that`s the arrangement that I have. We share custody, but my children live with my ex-wife. So that`s the difference.

GRACE: Out to the lines, Derek, Illinois. What`s your question, dear?

DEREK, CALLER FROM ILLINOIS: Hi, Nancy, I`m so happy you`re covering this. I only see it on you guys and ABC. I was wondering, what does the family friend think? I mean she knows them both. Has she -- what does the mom say about the dad? And does she think the dad did it? I know that`s kind of a sensitive question. But what does she think?

GRACE: You know, Denise Hess, what do you think?

HESS: I think that -- I don`t believe that Dylan ran away. I don`t -- I don`t really know what happened to Dylan, I can`t point the finger in any direction at this point. But I do know this community, I know there`s one way in that lake and one way out of that lake. And I just don`t -- I don`t know. I don`t know how to answer that question. I just know that all of us that are very close to Dylan know that he would not run away.

We all know in our hearts that he would not run away. We all feel like he would have contacted his friends in the morning. If he overslept, then those teenagers sometimes do, he would`ve called his friends and asked his friends to have their moms come and get him or something. We just don`t know. It`s just -- it`s very odd to all of us that he vanished and we just don`t know.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The search for Dylan Redwine was focused here.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: It`s a very mountainous and remote area.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: It`s a huge area basically to search.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: One of Dylan`s fishing poles was discovered there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t know if somebody`s hiding him or if somebody`s already done something horrible to him.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The family believed he was abducted or that foul play was involved.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Divers and cadaver dogs are searching the Vallecito reservoir near Redwine`s father`s home.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Dylan Redwine disappeared from his father`s home.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: He was visiting his father for Thanksgiving on a court-ordered visit.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Two boats, both of them equipped with sonar equipment.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Heartbreak, you know? Not knowing what they`re looking for.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: It started with the search and rescue dogs who are trained to pick up the scent of humans even under water. Bubbles from down below allow that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If it`s an air scent dog, that dog is going to pick up the scent in the air or along the surface of the ground or water.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Three trained dogs found four locations near the dam where a human scent was picked up. The trainer says the chance of the scent being anything other than human is unlikely.

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GRACE: Where is Dylan?

To Dr. Bill Manion, medical examiner and expert joining me out of Philly tonight.

Dr. Manion, the search of that lake is over. They`ve ended it. This is after cadaver dogs hit on it, but cadaver dogs can hit on a lot of things. Not just a dead body.

DR. BILL MANION, M.D., MEDICAL EXAMINER, BURLINGTON COUNTY, NJ: Well, yes. I mean, we`re human beings, we`re all mammals. There could be other animals in there that died. And would give off similar amino acids like cadaver, for instance and the dogs could hit on that as well as humans. That`s right.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. To Sgt. Dan Bender, spokesperson, La Plata County Sheriffs Office.

Sergeant, the search of the lake has been called off. Why?

BENDER: We`re still searching in the area, the Vallecito area. However, it`s a very large lake. It takes 12 miles to drive around the entire lake. And we were searching, the reason we brought up the divers and the sonar and such is because of the dog alerts in a very small area. Our search by the divers and sonar actually covered an area probably 20 times the (INAUDIBLE) where the dogs alerted and there was simply nothing found there.

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GRACE: Tonight we remember American hero, Army Sergeant Ronald Kubik, 21, Brielle, New Jersey. Silver Star, Bronze Star, Purple Heart. Loved guitar. A scholarship named after him. Mother, Eileen, sisters, Mary and Amy.

Ronald Kubik, American hero.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Right now, crews in Colorado are searching a reservoir looking for a missing teenager.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Family says there`s no way Dylan would have run away. It`s not like him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t know if somebody`s hiding him or somebody`s already done something horrible to him. But somebody knows where he`s at.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The search to find Dylan is growing daily. Which includes volunteers and many of Dylan`s friends.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Deputy working this case says he has never seen anything like this.

CORY REDWINE, MISSING 13-YEAR-OLD`S BROTHER: Hopes are high, but the situation isn`t very promising. So me and him, you know, he was my hero just as much as I was his. It`s been -- I can`t even explain it, you know, I mean, it just tears you up inside. You know, not knowing where, what he`s doing. It`s been killing me. It`s been hard for our whole entire family.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Three trained dogs found four locations near the dam where human scent was picked up.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Vanished from his father`s home during a court- appointed visit for Thanksgiving break. The visit came just months after Dylan and his mother had moved some six hours away.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Foul play or abduction could have been involved.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: And Dylan`s family was ask to bring more of his clothes by investigators so the dogs can pick up a better scent.

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GRACE: Out to Marc Klaas, president and founder of KlaasKids.

Marc, when you mentioned that the dad was being, quote, "mean," and kind of hoarding information from the mom about this little boy`s disappearance, what did you mean?

KLAAS: Well, Nancy, she told ABC News that she was having a difficult time getting in touch with her ex-husband about their son. She said, he hasn`t had any contact with us. My older son tried to get ahold of him by texting him and he wouldn`t respond.

I just find it odd that at a time like this he would be so evasive. I think that`s -- I think that`s cruel. When your child is missing, I think that that`s absolutely cruel to withhold information from the child`s other parent.

GRACE: Bethany Marshall, you`re the psychoanalyst. What is this, parental warfare at a time when the 13-year-old is missing? Isn`t that a kind of a misplaced priority?

MARSHALL: Well, not only is it misplaced, but it really shows a punitive, condescending, punishing aspect -- attitude on his part towards her which really begs the question, if he has such a punishing stance towards her, that he would withhold information about their child. How else has he punished her in the past? And does he have a punishing relationship with this little boy?

GRACE: Everyone, the tip line, 1-800-THE-LOST. There is a -- there`s time to find Dylan.

Everyone, "DR. DREW" is up next. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.

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