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What Happened to Isabel Celis?; Duchess Catherine Pregnant

Aired December 3, 2012 - 19:00   ET


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Tonight, what everyone wants to know: who holds the secret to what happened to missing 7-year-old Isabel Celis? Just a little while ago, we spoke to Isabel`s mom. She has a message she wants everyone to hear. We`re going to tell you on the other side.


VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, full of tears, anguish and hope, the parents of missing Isabel Celis give a new interview about the little girl`s mysterious disappearance from her bedroom. Why her father, Sergio, thinks Isabel was targeted, and why they both believe their child is still alive, somewhere.

And it`s breaking baby news. A royal bundle of joy is on the way for Prince William and the Duchess of Cambridge. We`ve got all the details plus the over/under on what they`ll name the heir to the throne.

And the hunt to find a dolphin serial killer intensifies as more victims turn up. Meanwhile, a Sea World dolphin bites a young girl, leaving her with three puncture wounds on her arm. We`ll debate who`s at fault.

SERGIO CELIS, FATHER OF ISABEL CELIS: We love you. And we miss you so much.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Isabel was last seen in this home by her parents.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They have been interviewed extensively.

S. CELIS: We are cooperating to the fullest extent.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re labeling it as suspicious circumstances and a possible abduction.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: New details about what may have happened that Saturday morning.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I remember briefly waking up and hearing male voices outside my bedroom window.

BECKY CELIS, MOTHER OF ISABEL CELIS: We are here today to plead.

S. CELIS: And we`ll never give up. We will never give up looking for you.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you live. You`ll remember, Isabel Celis was 6 when she vanished from her Tucson, Arizona, home. Her dad reported her missing on the morning of April 21 after her mom left for her job as a pediatric E.R. nurse.

When Isabel`s mom heard the news, she rushed home. Listen to her heartbreaking 911 call.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You have looked everywhere: under the beds, the closets, everything?

B. CELIS: Yes, I looked everywhere. The window`s out of our house. Somebody took the window out of our house. Please hurry. Please get here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They`re almost there, ma`am, OK? Where`s your husband and your kids?

B. CELIS: They`re outside waiting for the cops. Oh, my God.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Police say the bedroom window to little Isabel`s room was opened. The screen had been removed. Evidence of apparent blood was found in her bedroom. Sex offenders in the neighborhood and Isabel`s own family were questioned at length.

But after almost eight months, still no sign of Isabel, fighting back tears, Isabel`s parents went on "The Katie Couric show" today to talk about the latest in the search for their precious daughter.


B. CELIS: It was -- it is still a big nightmare, still waiting for somebody to wake us up and tell us it`s not true. And it was just draining -- it was so draining. Not to know where she`s at or if she`s OK, it`s -- that`s the hardest thing.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: One of my producers spoke to Isabel`s mom by phone today, and she told us, "Please keep putting her picture out there. We just really want her home" and for people to keep an eye out. "Keep praying, we want Isabel home for Christmas." And so do we.

What do you think happened? Give me a call: 1-877-586-7297, 1-877- JVM-SAYS.

Straight out to former police chief and private investigator, Tom Shamshak.

Tom, you were there at the Katie show with the Celis family. What did you take away from the missing girl`s parents` interview?


The parents are very deep in the throes of a crisis. You`ll notice from just watching the father, the husband, he`s just focused on the wife, not a lot of sensory stimulation. I mean, he`s really, really fatigued. And she is just so broken-hearted.

I think the key to cracking this case is going to come from investigators constructing a timeline and identifying every individual that this family has interacted with, whether it`s a family member, acquaintance, somebody who`s done work in that area. This is going to break the case by looking at that kind of a -- constructing that timeline - - Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, we have a 550-page police report, 3,000 tips, and still it seems as if investigators have hit a wall.

Sergio, Isabel`s dad, faced some pretty tough scrutiny following the disappearance of his daughter, particularly because he appeared to chuckle on the phone when calling the 911 operator to report his daughter missing. Listen carefully. Decide for yourself.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is mom there also?

S. CELIS: She had just left for work. I just called her, and I told her to get her butt home.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ha-ha-ha. A lot of people took offense to that. But we found out today on the Katie Couric show, Isabel`s dad said at first he didn`t think Isabel was really missing. Listen to this.


S. CELIS: Honestly, at first, I didn`t think she was missing. I thought actually she might have just been taken by either Becky`s brother or her aunt, gone out for breakfast, something logical. Something logical.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: So Lisa Bloom, you`re the legal analyst for, but you`re the author of "Swagger," as well. So you talk about how males deal with stress. Could that explain the dad`s apparent chuckle, which really put everybody -- we all sort of went "What is that?"

LISA BLOOM, LEGAL ANALYST: Absolutely, Jane. You know, we can`t judge somebody who`s going through this profound parenting crisis, the abduction of a child. And he didn`t take it seriously at first. And that`s a natural first human reaction. Also, think of any situation we`ve been in, maybe a funeral or a shocking situation where involuntarily we may have giggled or laughed just from the awkwardness of the situation.

The bottom line is, is that he`s not a suspect, he`s not a person of interest. It does appear to have been an intruder abduction. And that`s what the police are focusing on.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, but they haven`t been ruled out either. Katie Couric asked Becky and Sergio if they`d been ruled out in the disappearance of their own daughter, and here`s what Becky told Katie.


B. CELIS: I think that they can`t rule anything out until Isa comes home. And from, you know, the beginning, we -- you know, everybody questioned what, you know -- what happened or what`s going on. For us, when she comes home, everybody will get their answers.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Kevin Keen, reporter for KGUN in Tucson, I want to show you the timeline here, the events on April 20 and 21. The parents say, they went to a baseball game, came home. Isabel went to sleep at 11 p.m. in her room. And then her dad says he fell asleep watching TV on the living room couch near Isabel`s room but moved back into his own bedroom at 2 a.m.

Neighbors say their dogs started barking like crazy around 6:30 in the morning.

The next morning, 7 a.m., mom leaves for her nursing job. She did not check on Isabel before leaving, she tells cops.

And then at 8 a.m., Isabel`s father, Sergio, goes into his daughter`s room and says he finds her missing.

Kevin, has anything come out of the apparent bloodstains found in Isabel`s bedroom?

KEVIN KEEN, REPORTER, KGUN (via phone): That`s -- when it comes to that particular aspect, we`ve had very -- such limited information about what police found and what some investigators described as what may -- could be blood. But those were just coming through -- in as police reports, and we`re not able to ask follow-up questions, because this is still an open investigation and they`re still looking into things.

And so there are a lot of unanswered questions about what investigators saw, what they thought they saw, and who it could belong to.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, it seems like the cops aren`t really talking. We keep calling them, and we don`t get any new information.

Paul Birmingham, you`re a news director, 7-9 -- 790 KNST, and you`re also a licensed private investigator, quite a combo there.

Listen, I looked at some of the pages of this 550-page police report. Here`s what stood out to me. Something nobody`s been talking about. One man says he saw a young female about 6 to 7 years of age running northbound on Columbus north of speedway around the same time this child disappeared. And he saw a male running after her.

This is just one page of this police report. Do you know anything about that?

PAUL BIRMINGHAM, NEWS DIRECTOR, KNST (via phone): That is something that, yes, in fact, was in the police report. But in many of these instances, Jane, as you mentioned, there are 3,000-plus tips. They have to go check out the tips. And if that doesn`t pan out immediately, there`s not much they can do.

So if they go to that area, they`re not able to find the male or the 6-year-old to meet that description. Then they just have to move on to the next thing.

I believe there are still a number of warrants which have yet to be unsealed in this case. I believe that these warrants will continue to be sealed until such time as the investigation reaches a point that police don`t feel that anything will be compromised if this investigation is made public.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Levi Page, crime blogger, Internet radio host, "The Levi Page Show," out of Nashville, you`ve been following this case. I think police know a heck of a lot more than they`re saying. What do you think?

LEVI PAGE, CRIME BLOGGER: Yes. I absolutely agree with you. I mean, they have to know the results of the alleged blood -- we don`t know if it was blood -- in the room of Isabel. We heard have rumors that there was a note written by Isabel in her closet. The police never commented on that.

And we know that there were dark, red-brownish stains in the family car of Isabel`s parents. They haven`t determined whether that`s blood. They haven`t released it to the public. They probably know whose blood it is. And if it is blood, at this point, they`re keeping things close to the vest. They don`t want to compromise the investigation, because somebody out there took her. Somebody may have killed her. They don`t want to release information to the public and have the perpetrator fix their story.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Kevin Keen, you`re a reporter at KGUN in Tucson. You`ve been covering this. What about this report that we certainly can`t verify that somebody owed somebody money? That either somebody was staying with the Celis family or some have claimed perhaps Sergio himself -- any word on that?

KEEN: No, not recently. That police report contains lots of information. And in those early days, as you did on your show, looking at the family, looking at family friends to see what the connections would be, knowing that back then and even at this point, no one has been ruled out in this investigation. And so the connections between people and if there was money and anything like that is still uncertain.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: On the other side of the break, one of my heroes, Mark Lunsford, whose daughter was killed by a monster, a sexual predator. And he`s going to talk to us what it`s like being the focus of a police investigation when you`re the father of the missing child and you have nothing to do with it. That`s next.



S. CELIS: Tell us your demands. Tell us what you want. We will do anything for her. We are looking for you, Isa. We love you. And we miss you so much.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: That, the devastated father of missing Isabel Celis. He told Katie Couric it was indescribably [SIC] horrible when, after his daughter vanished, Child Protective Services then told him he could not have contact with his two sons, then ages 10 and 14, for a while anyway. Let`s listen to that.


S. CELIS: We were already victims of this. And it just felt like we were being victimized even more. They need to do what they need to do. We were going to cooperate and do absolutely everything that they wanted, no matter what -- what kind of suffering we had to go through. What was Isa going through?


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, CPS has allowed the family to be reunited. We don`t know what that was all about.

But I want to go to Mark Lunsford, one of my heroes. And his daughter, Jessica, vanished during the night. Initially, they have to look at the family first. There`s the precious child who vanished. Ultimately, police found that a monster by the name of John Couey, a pedophile who was living in the trailer next door, was responsible -- there he is -- responsible for his daughter`s horrific murder.

Mark, thank you as always for joining us. We`re trying to get a sense of what it`s like to be in the shoes of the Celis family. How did police treat you when Jessica, your daughter, went missing?

MARK LUNSFORD, FATHER OF JESSICA LUNSFORD (via phone): Well, when you have cases like this where they have no clues whatsoever, like a child just vanished in midair, they have to start with the family. It can be brutal. It can be very brutal. It can be very tough. But you know, if you ain`t got -- if you ain`t done nothing wrong, you`ll get through it OK.

You know, I see the same thing over there that I see here in Florida. And that`s, you know, there`s 417, I think, registered sex offenders in Tucson, Arizona. I mean, think about all the time that law enforcement is going to have to spend going through all those people.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. But they say they`ve contacted them and they don`t seem to indicate that any of them are a suspect or a person of interest in this case.

Nevertheless, in your case, Mark, this pedophile was living, unbeknownst to them, in a trailer next door to your house, hiding out there. And the police even visited that trailer, it`s believed, while he had your daughter inside and didn`t go far enough to find your daughter, is that correct, sir?

LUNSFORD: Absolutely. And I mean, we should keep things like this in mind with every missing child. How many sex offenders live there that they don`t even know about?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. Mark, as always. Thank you for your insights. And please hang on and weigh in as we go on.

Want to go to the phone lines now. Crystal, Iowa, your question or thought, Crystal.

CALLER: Do you think it`s like she was targeted by a sex offender? And I also think, like, do you think they need better laws for the sex offenders versus the victims?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Tom Shamshak, private investigator, the father on the show talking to Katie said he felt that his daughter was targeted, that it was not a random break-in. What do you think?

SHAMSHAK: Well, obviously, it was a targeted crime here. Somebody either broke in or somebody was admitted into that dwelling and the child was removed. Now, the question is the precipitator, why?

You alluded earlier that there might be an issue of somebody owing money to somebody else. They`re going to run down everybody that`s been in that house. And they`ll identify all of the financial issues of both the family and anybody that was living with them. And I think therein will lie the key to cracking this case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Lisa Bloom, it seemed to be the disconnect between the father first chuckling and then at the news conference, sobbing hysterically. Some felt like maybe that was too over the top.

BLOOM: You know, again, we`re so judgmental of victims in this kind of a situation. How would any of us react if our precious child just disappeared, there`s a drop of blood and part of the window was missing? God knows what I would do. You`d probably have to put me in a straightjacket in a padded room. So I`m not going to judge him. They seem like they`re very concerned parents. They`re doing everything possible to get the picture of their daughter out there.

And people have to do that, Jane. Right after a child goes missing, while they`re in that state of shock, everyone advises them, go on TV, get the picture out there. Which they do need to do, in the hope, of getting a tip. So you know, of course they`re going to act strangely. They`re not television professionals.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: On the other side, we`re going to examine why the dad feels that his daughter was specifically targeted.



B. CELIS: I went to work this morning at 7 and I just -- I didn`t even come and check on her. I should have come and checked on her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All right. Just take a deep breath, OK? Does your daughter have any medical conditions?

B. CELIS: No. She has nothing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m sorry. She has what?

B. CELIS: She has nothing. There`s no medical conditions. She`s healthy. (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

She`s got brown hair.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you hear anything at all?

B. CELIS: No, I didn`t hear anything at all.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: The mother, very understandably, very believably hysterical upon learning that her daughter had vanished. How could a 6- year-old girl vanish from her bedroom in the middle of the night? Her dad told Katie Couric he has a theory.


S. CELIS: It had to have been someone that was in our home, at one time or another, to know where her room was and to know where everything is, to know the layout of our home, the back yard, everything. Someone had to have been in our home.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s go straight out to a caller, Carol, Arkansas. Your question or thought, Carol, Arkansas?

CALLER: Yes, Jane, thanks for taking my call. We had the same incident about 25 miles from where I live. And I was wondering who babysat her? A neighbor? Because the girl that was killed, a 6-year-old girl, was killed by the next-door neighbor that had babysat and took care of them. Her and her sister. And I was wondering, have they ever investigated to see if she had a babysitter or a friend or a sex offender (ph)?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, excellent question, Carol. I want to go to Tom Shamshak, private investigator.

It seems like all the focus is -- and we often see this, even with the Mark Lunsford case, we saw that this predator was in a trailer next door. Often, even though you search far and wide, it`s the immediate vicinity where the most compelling clues lie.

SHAMSHAK: True. And that`s what law enforcement focuses on early on in these investigations. And they did a great job of canvassing. They went door to door. They had K-9 with them. And they didn`t yield any significant leads or tips.

And so now what we have to do is, again, go back in time and reconstruct this timeline and identify everyone, including what the caller says, anybody that might have had casual contact with this child, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Lisa Bloom, do they even have to look at the children? There`s a 14-year-old boy, then 14, then 10.

BLOOM: You have to look at everyone, Jane. It reminds me of the JonBenet Ramsey case. How her brother was questioned and investigated, of course. You have to look at everyone. And even if they`re not going to be suspects or people of interest, they may have information. They may have that one tantalizing, important clue that ends up sealing the case. So absolutely.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: In just minutes, Nancy Grace has the story of a teenaged boy who suddenly vanishes after a court-ordered visit with his father over Thanksgiving. Was Dylan abducted by a stranger, or does somebody close to him know what happened? A similar theme.

Tonight, the boy`s mother breaks her silence. Nancy at 8 p.m. on HLN.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Breaking news from Britain`s royal family.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The big news across the pond today.

RICHARD QUEST, CNN CORRESPONDENT: She is carrying the heir to the throne.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is a royal baby on the way. The palace confirming that Prince William and Kate Middleton are having their first child.

QUEST: The palace described her pregnancy as being in the very early stages of pregnancy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Duchess of Cambridge has checked into a hospital.

QUEST: Clearly, I don`t believe it would be their wish to announce a pregnancy under 12 weeks. But if she goes into the hospital, I guarantee you it wouldn`t be long before the press would get word of it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There is a slightly higher chance of having morning sickness with a girl than with a boy. I`m not predicting that.

QUEST: This is a woman who was clearly born to be royal. She was born to do the duties upon which she performs so magnificently. So we can only imagine that she will do the same as pregnant.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Are you excited? I am. We`ve got breaking news. You`re looking at video of Prince William from just a little while ago as he leaves the hospital from his wife, Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge, a.k.a. Kate Middleton, is expected to stay for a few more days.

Since the moment they walked down the aisle, rumors have run rampant that the wildly popular couple are expecting. But tonight, a year and a half after their wedding, we have confirmation -- the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are expecting a baby -- yey -- and an heir to the throne.

They tried to keep it a secret. But after cameras caught Duchess Catherine -- that`s what you`re supposed to call her, not Kate -- Duchess Catherine going into the hospital today with morning sickness, the Royals were forced to make an announcement.

Prince Charles reportedly didn`t even know he was going to be a grandfather until today. The palace says they`re keeping mum on a due date because she`s not even 12 weeks pregnant yet, too early to even know the sex of the child.

I want to hear your baby name suggestions if you think it`s going to be a boy or a girl. If you`ve got a message for the royal couple, give me a buzz -- 1-877-586-7297, 1-877-JVM-SAYES.

Straight out to Max Foster, CNN royal correspondent, who is at the hospital in London where Duchess Catherine is right now. Max, Prince William left the hospital just a little while ago. We`re looking at the video. It looks like half the cameras in the entire planet were there. Tell us about it.

MAX FOSTER, CNN ROYAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it`s a good sign, I have to say because he wasn`t too concerned or maybe he was kicked out but we don`t know. But he doesn`t seem too concerned by this. Certainly palace sources are telling me they`re not overly concerned about her condition.

But she`s in the hospital behind me on her own. She`s being told to rest, of course. That`s the main thing. But she`s getting nutrients as well. This sort of illness can be completely debilitating.

It`s interesting. I was with her on Friday. She went back to her old school and I was filming with her. She was out on a hockey pitch in her heels. She looked really well. But apparently this thing can kick in very quickly and it clearly did so today when they were home in Bucklebury.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Well, she`s so beautiful and so slim and so petite. I don`t know if we`ve seen a baby bump. But we can -- no? Rob Shuter tells me we have not. Another reason we can all celebrate this baby is because, I have to say, the royals have set the wheels in motion to make a big, wonderful change to an outdated, not-so-nice old-fashion rule.


SARA IVENS, FORMER EDITOR AND CHIEF, "OK MAGAZINE": The queen just changed the rule. It said that the first child of the couple, whether it was a boy or girl, could become the next monarch. Before, it`s always been the man, even if a daughter is born first, the man took precedent. The queen`s just changed this rule. So I think girl power. I think we want a girl.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: And regardless of whether it`s a boy or girl, this baby will be third in line to the throne behind soon-to-be granddad Prince Charles and soon-to-be dad, Prince William.

My very special guest tonight, "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" star, Lisa Vanderpump, also a royal watcher with her fabulous dog, Jiggy. Let`s see Jiggy -- we`ll see him in second. Bravo`s new episode of "The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" airs tonight.

I have to ask you, Lisa, I`m so thrilled about this succession gender equality. It`s huge. These blood lines go back centuries and centuries. But this could be the first female royal baby, if it is a girl, to have equal opportunity at this level -- Lisa?

LISA VANDERPUMP, "REAL HOUSEWIVES OF BEVERLY HILLS": I know. I`m thrilled, too. It`s about time. I mean it really is. We`re following kind of the tradition of other European countries --


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yay for women everywhere. I love it. I love it. Tell me more. Tell me more Lisa. I`m sorry we just got overexcited.

VANDERPUMP: I`m feeling a girl as well. I think in the pregnancy (inaudible), it says they are more likely to have a girl if you`ve got this kind of unbelievable morning sickness, which I had with my daughter. So I think it would be fantastic. And I think she`s going to be very conservative in the name she chooses. She`s been very respectful, like the dress that she chose.

I`m feeling, it`s going to have Diana`s name in there somewhere. She`s still wearing the ring of his late mother. So, yes, it`s just wonderful, wonderful. I think she`s been embraced by the country and we`re very excited for this royal baby.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Jiggy seems happy about it as well -- great to see Jiggy.

Now, I think a lot of people are asking, what does this mean for Prince Harry because he is currently third in line to the throne. Check this out.


QUEST: Now it goes Charles to William to baby Cambridge and suddenly this got all get pushed to one side because there`s a new royal lineage that it`s created. Whether baby Cambridge is a girl or a boy, they will become monarch in due course. The girls will win over the boys.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: I am so thrilled about this, seriously, I think it`s huge. But let`s get back to Prince Harry who knows how to enjoy himself. He gets pushed down the line when baby Cambridge arrives. He was recently caught, of course, in the scandal when he was snapped buck naked during a Las Vegas vacation, reportedly playing strip billiards in his hotel room.

Rob Shuter, Huff Po, naught but nice; he has a reputation as a party boy. Is he relieved and saying wow, now I can party to my heart`s content or is he disappointed?

ROB SHUTER, HUFFINGTON POST: No, I`m hearing from my sources in London that he`s actually thrilled about this. He never really wanted to be king. It comes with a terrible responsibility. So I think he`s probably thrilled about this.

But just back to, it could be a girl and what that means for the succession, remember, this doesn`t make women equal just in Britain, Jane. There are 15 commonwealth countries that are part of the British Empire. This will send a message to all those countries that girls matter as much as boys. So that`s why I think this news is massive and it`s global.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I am so happy about this because I`ve always been an Anglophile. I`ve always watched those masterpiece theater-type --

SHUTER: "Downton Abbey".

VELEZ-MITCHELL: -- I`ve always read things like "Wuthering Heights" and "Jane Eyre" but it`s always like master. And all the girls always say "master" this, "master" that. Now we have equality and I think it rocks. Now I can really let go to all my Anglophile urges and get all sorts of knickknacks -- this one I have -- and I just want to show it to you as we go to break. We`re going to continue this on the other side.

Here`s one of my British knickknacks. "Keep calm and carry on." I say to the Duchess, that`s what you should keep in mind during this time.

We`re going to talk about the paparazzi on the other side. Stay right there.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Your "Viral Vid of the Day", Kim Kardashian caused an uproar in Bahrain by visiting. You wouldn`t believe -- I mean police had to use tear gas on some religious groups protesting her visit. CNN has not confirmed those reports but Kardashian`s promoter tweeted, "What protest?" Kardashian making a sweep through the Middle East to promote a brand of milkshakes -- really? All this over that?



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People are bound to ask -- it`s a bit of a serious question -- but children, do you want lots of children? See what comes? What`s your --

PRINCE WILLIAM, DUKE OF CAMBRIDGE: I think we`ll take it one step at a time. Sort of get over the marriage thing first and then maybe look at the kids. But obviously we want a family. So, you know, we`ll have to start thinking about that.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: And now they`re getting one. Who could forget the backlash that erupted when Duchess Catherine was photographed topless vacationing at a private estate with her husband, Prince William? It became a huge controversy when a European magazine published those pictures.

Lisa Vanderpump, now that there`s a baby involved, can the royal family set some strict boundaries to prevent the paparazzi from making her a prison at her own castle?

VANDERPUMP: Well, you know, clearly I don`t think they`ve really learned from the tragedy of Diana. That was so many years ago. What was that, 11 years ago? And I still think they`re hounded.

Maybe she will have the choice because she can spend more time in Wales and be nearer her husband. But I assume that she`s going to break the tradition and have the baby in a London hospital like Princess Diana did. Normally royal babies are born at home. So nearer the due date, I suppose she`ll have to be up in London. But otherwise, probably best to stay in Wales.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And it`s sad because I heard somebody commenting that Princess Diana had to hide out in Balmoral Castle -- I think I`m pronouncing that right -- during her pregnancy. And it`s kind of sad, Lisa Bloom if the Duchess of Cambridge would have to literally become a prisoner behind closed doors because of the paparazzi.

LISA BLOOM, ATTORNEY: Well, it certainly would. But Jane, I have to be the dissenting voice in this piece. You know, this is a happy occasion. I`m happy for these two nice people.

But we are Americans. We fought a war to get rid of royalty. And I`m so glad that in this country, we don`t have royalty, that you actually have to earn a position. You don`t just get born into wealth, supported by taxpayers and spend your entire life as these people are -- I`m sure they`re very nice people. I wish them the best. But I`m not a big fan of royalty and of following royalty --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Uh-oh, Lisa Vanderpump -- Lisa wants to go back at it. Go ahead Lisa Vanderpump.

VANDERPUMP: No. I`m not happy with that statement at all. I mean obviously you`re entitled to your own opinions. But what the royal family has done for our country -- even in the last year, we were in the middle of this kind depression and how the royal family lifted just whole feeling in the country just because of the wedding, it was such a celebration.

No, I don`t really agree with you at all. I think if you really put it to a referendum, people would want to keep the royal family.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Rob Shuter?

BLOOM: Well, there are plenty of --

SHUTER: I love the royal family.

BLOOM: -- people in the UK who want to get rid of royalty as well. I mean it`s a controversial issue over there. And the fact is --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. Wait, wait, wait, ladies.

BLOOM: -- very nice Royals, but that`s not always the case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ladies, we want to let Rob Shuter weigh in here.

SHUTER: I love the royal family. I love everything about them. I really do. I`m sorry, Lisa Bloom.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I have to say --

VANDERPUMP: Rob, you just want to get knighted.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: -- I love the royals, too. And guess what; since you`re a Beverly Hills royalty, Lisa Vanderpump, we`re going to give you the last word on this one.

VANDERPUMP: Well, I think Rob loves the royal family because he`s after a knighthood. So I`ve got your number Shuter.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Lisa, what would you name this baby if it were a boy or a girl? Lisa Vanderpump. Sorry -- Lisa Bloom.

VANDERPUMP: I think if it`s a girl, I think it`s going to be Elizabeth Diana, yes. I`m not talking to the other Lisa anymore. Elizabeth Diana -- yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I have to say, there`s a 33-to-1 odds -- already they`re betting on who -- what the name would be on, that the name could be Jane. I say go for it.

SHUTER: I like Royal Boo-Boo.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Royal Boo-Boo. Oh, you`re bad.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Thank you for being good sports, everyone. Remember, all of you, including our guests, "keep calm and carry on".


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Time for our "Pets o` the Day". Send your pet pics to Sophie, you are fabulous. And Rascal and Dusty, they`ve got a thing going on. And Dolly is just dolled up like Dolly Parton. And Mimi is just a little angel, just quietly posing. That`s her head shot.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In a split second, her treat to feed the dolphins became a terror.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think it was going to haul me into the water. This is a little crazy, but I thought it was kind of going to eat my hand off.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Dolphins in crisis on two fronts. First a murder mystery -- two more mutilated dolphins discovered along the Gulf Coast. That makes at least eight dolphins brutally murdered in the last two months. Is there a serial killer of dolphins on the loose?

Meantime, a new controversy at SeaWorld. Check this out.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Eight-year-old Jillian Thomas was living her dream, getting up close and personal with dolphins, her favorite animal. The day before Thanksgiving at SeaWorld, mom and dad had their camera rolling as Jillian and her brother were feeding the dolphins at the popular dolphin cove attraction, but Jillian ran out of fish. In a split second her treat to feed the dolphins became a terror.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Whoa, whoa, whoa.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One more time, the dolphin lunges out of the pool and goes straight for the tray of fish taking with it Jillian`s arm and dragging her toward the pool.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We think that that attraction, SeaWorld, is dangerous. And it was traumatic for us to go through that event.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thomas says the dolphin`s bite punctured her skin in three places and caused minor bleeding. But now she`s doing ok. We asked SeaWorld about the incident, and they told us in a statement, "Nothing is more important to us than the health and safety of our guests, employees and animals. Educators and animal care staff are always on-site at this area, monitoring all interactions and are committed to guest safety.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Academy award-winning director of "The Cove, Ric O`Barry, what do you make of this dolphin biting this girl at SeaWorld?

RIC O`BARRY, DIRECTOR, "THE COVE": Well, I think this goes on all the time and they just hide it. And you know these fondling pools have closed in most dolphinariums and most aquariums. And we`d like to close this one. And people can do that by signing the new petition that just went online at We can close these.

You know, they`re reduced to beggars in these small pools, and it`s a form of bad education. And we can stop this. We can get enough people to sign this petition, we can shut this thing down.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What you`re saying is the size of these pools -- and again, we heard SeaWorld`s side of the story in a statement they issued, but we`re getting your opinion. You`re saying the size of these pools, that these dolphins are in are way too small for them to exist when they`re in the nature, they can roam hundreds of miles?

O`BARRY: That`s correct. These are tiny little pools, and they`re put in these pools so that they know that -- they know that they can sell the public the dolphins` food for just -- you know, it`s maybe a dollar`s worth of fish they can sell for $10 or whatever it is.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, we don`t have the exact price.

O`BARRY: It`s a marketing scheme and it`s the reverse of education. It`s a form of bad education.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What does it do to the dolphins in these pods or these pools, in your opinion?

O`BARRY: First of all, it`s an optical illusion because what you`re looking at is the public is looking at a dolphin they think is smiling back at them and enjoying this experience. But it`s an optical illusion. It`s like the monkey in a cage sticking his hand through the bars begging for food. Dolphins don`t have hands, and they open their mouth and say, feed me. Feed me. So they`re dealing with an optical illusion.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, on the other side of the break, we`re going to talk to Ric O`Barry about another crisis involving dolphins. And that is a serial killer or killers murdering -- and I use that phrase -- murdering dolphins in the Gulf of Mexico. Stand by.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We know there`s three or four of them with bullets. And the other ones have been mutilated. Some with their tails cut off, jaws cut off or a screwdriver in them.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: The race to catch a serial killer or serial killers of dolphins even more urge end tonight. Two more mutilated dolphins discovered on a Gulf coast beach. The decapitated head of an adult dolphin found over the weekend; the body of a younger dolphin discovered just miles away.

Tonight authorities are treating these incidents like murder investigation that it is; punishable with up to a year in prison and fines of hundreds of thousands of dollars -- actually, up to $100,000.

Ric O`Barry, you have said you think fishermen are committing these acts. Tell us why and tell us how you believe authorities could narrow down any suspects.

O`BARRY: Well, we find this in other parts of the world. Overfishing is the problem. We`re depleting the ocean of the fish. And the fishermen are competing. The dolphins have to compete with the fishermen. And so, you know, kill the competition. That may be what`s happening. But look, there are a lot of NOAA investigators on the scene. We can put the public directly in touch with them, if they have information contact us at and we`ll put you directly in touch with the NOAA agents on the ground. Let`s solve this problem. Let`s get this crazed person.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, absolutely. And I think we have to treat it very seriously. I use the word "murder" intentionally because these highly intelligently sentient beings are being decapitated. I mean the level of sadism is unbelievable. Ric O`Barry, as an animal advocate, you and I both share that in common. It just seems that animals are under siege everywhere at the hands of human.

They`re shooting seals on the West Coast. The same thing, they`re competing with us for the fish. How can we consumers change things?

O`BARRY: Well, we`re consuming too much fish. This is the problem. It`s a worldwide problem.

I mean, I`ve got an 8-year-old daughter who, in her lifetime, will see the end of fish, I`m afraid. We`ve got to cut back. We`ve got to cut back. We`re destroying the oceans. We`re strip-mining the oceans.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Well, Ric. Thank you so much for your work. And that`s why I`m a vegan. Don`t eat them.

Nancy Grace next.