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Search Continues for Dylan Redwine
Aired December 3, 2012 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Colorado. Daddy leaves home 7:30 AM to run errands, but when he comes home just four hours later, his 13-year-old little boy, Dylan, is gone, the boy reported missing 6:00 PM that evening. A nearby lake searched, teams scouring the area, even going door to door.
Bombshell tonight. We learn no one hears from Dylan, an avid texter, since shortly after he touches down at Daddy`s. Tonight, where is 13-year-old Dylan Redwine?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A very detailed, meticulous search of the house and property. The last place Dylan was seen was in this house.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mark Redwine says he left his house early.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dad says he left 7:30 in the morning.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Went out to run some errands.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When he returned four hours later, Dylan was gone.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The parents are split up. Elaine, Dylan`s mother...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She had primary custodial rights.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She says this is a tech-savvy kid who is always texting.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His phone was not used since 8:00 PM Sunday night.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His intent to get up and his dad drive him into baseball to meet his friends at 6:30 in the morning.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nothing is adding up in this case.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The 13-year-old was visiting his dad during court- ordered visitation.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The search warrant combing through his home.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My focus right now is focusing on Dylan and what he needs from us to help find him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To see if we can find anything that would lead us in the direction of where Dylan is.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He needs to come home. And that`s what everybody wants for him.
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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. Live to Colorado. Daddy leaves home 7:30 AM. Four hours later, he comes home, his 13-year-old son, Dylan, gone.
In the last hours, we hear reports that Daddy fails a police poly. We also learn another search has gone down of the family home and also searches of father`s vehicles.
We are taking your calls. I want to go straight out to Jon Denny, news reporter with KKOB. Jon, what can you tell me about the searches of Dad`s vehicles?
JON G. DENNY, NEWS REPORTER, 770 KKOB AM (via telephone): From what I understand, they`ve taken two of the vehicles -- two pickup trucks -- from the home for more intensive investigation. They`ve also taken several items from the home. When Mark Redwine returned today, he said that they hadn`t taken a lot but that they had taken something.
GRACE: Everyone, joining me tonight is a very special guest, joining me out of Durango, Colorado. Dylan`s mother, Elaine Redwine, is with us and taking your calls. She is here to ask for your help to find her son.
Ellie, before I go to Ms. Redwine, give those viewers just joining us the timeline. What happened?
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: So Nancy, this was the Sunday right before Thanksgiving. Dylan arrived there in Vallecito to stay with his dad for Thanksgiving...
GRACE: How far is that from his home with his mom?
JOSTAD: That`s about 300 miles away from where he lives with his mother in Colorado Springs. So he`s there visiting Dad. That Sunday night, Dad says they went out. They went to Wal-Mart, did some shopping, went to McDonalds, had dinner, go home, go to sleep. Next morning...
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! He touches down. They go to McDonalds. They have dinner. Now, his mom hears from him. He`s a prolific texter. He loves to text, like every 13-year-old boy in the country. He texts home. They know he`s OK, he touched down just fine and he`s with his dad, right?
JOSTAD: Right. That`s right. His mom says she got a text from him that evening, saying, you know, I`ve arrived safely. So that night, he goes home -- Dylan goes home with his father, Mark Redwine, to the father`s house there in Vallecito, Colorado.
The next morning, Dad says at about 7:30 AM, Dylan was still asleep there on the coach. He`d had a bed made up for him there. He said Dylan apparently wanted to sleep in, so dad left, went to go run some errands.
Dad didn`t get back until 11:30 that morning, and he said Dylan was gone. He said there was still a cereal bowl, a dirty cereal bowl in the sink, he believed Dylan had used. The TV was on, turned on to Nickelodeon, but Dylan nowhere to be found. So Dad assumed that...
GRACE: Now, wait. I`m hearing that for the first time tonight. Dad is saying he found a cereal bowl left in the sink...
GRACE: ... that he, the father, did not leave there. The TV was still on and turned to Nick?
JOSTAD: That`s right, Nancy. Yes. So Dad says that he assumed Dylan was trying to visit some friends he has in the area. Now, Dylan used to live there until just this past summer, so he still has a lot of friends his own age that live near Dad.
So the dad says he assumed he went to go visit those friends, spent the afternoon trying to reach him, trying to text him, didn`t hear anything. Finally, when he couldn`t reach him at his friends` house, he reported him missing at about 6:00 PM that night.
GRACE: 6:00 PM And Ellie, he got home running errands at what time?
JOSTAD: At 11:30 in the morning.
GRACE: OK, so seven hours passed. Before I go to the calls, I want to go to Dylan`s mother, Elaine Redwine, joining us from Durango, Colorado, tonight. Ms. Redwine, thank you for being with us.
ELAINE REDWINE, DYLAN`S MOTHER (via telephone): Thank you, Nancy.
GRACE: Ms. Redwine, when did...
REDWINE: You can call me Elaine.
GRACE: Thank you. Elaine, when did you last hear from Dylan?
REDWINE: He texted me at about 7:06 on Sunday night and told me that he had landed and his dad had picked him up. He basically said -- I said, Did your dad get you, son? And he said, yes.
GRACE: What was his demeanor, Elaine?
REDWINE: You know, he was excited to go see his friends. He has friends in Bayfield, which is about -- oh, about 30 minutes away from Vallecito. So you know, he was really excited to go hang out with his friends in Bayfield.
GRACE: Ms. Redwine, I`ve got to tell you, every time -- there`s this one picture of your son that reminds me so much of my little boy, John David, with the blond hair and the big crystal blue eyes.
I want to go back to something you just said. He was excited to go see his friends. He had a lot of friends there. What was his relationship with his dad? I know you guys have had a very tumultuous relationship. The divorce, the custody, all that has to take a toll. Did they get along?
REDWINE: Yes. I mean, I just don`t think -- you know, we had joint parenting time. And because, you know, Mark had to earn a living and we live in a small community, he was on the road a lot. So he didn`t spend a lot of time with Dylan in the three years prior to Dylan moving to Colorado Springs. So I just don`t think he knew Dylan all that well.
GRACE: What does he do for a living that requires him to travel?
REDWINE: You know, I`m not 100 percent sure what his occupation is. I know that he used to drive trucks. So I assume it`s something along those lines.
GRACE: So he gets there, and you say, Did your dad pick you up? And he says, Yes. Did he say where they were going? Were they going out to dinner? Were they going home to cook? What?
REDWINE: I never heard back from Dylan after that.
GRACE: So it was a very brief -- a very brief phone call.
REDWINE: Yes. And you know, it wasn`t a phone call, it was a text.
GRACE: Ah. Ah. Yes, yes. Thank you for correcting me. Question. When he has ever spent the night away -- I have yet to live through my first sleepover with the twins yet because they`re only 5. But when he would go to somebody else`s house, would he text you or call you before he goes to sleep at night?
REDWINE: Yes. Dylan always kept in touch with me because he knew I was the one paying the phone bill, and if he wouldn`t keep in touch with me, I would take his phone away and he didn`t want that. So he made sure that he always -- there was -- there was never a time I couldn`t account for where Dylan was because he was very good at letting me know where he was at all times.
GRACE: So Elaine, let me get this straight. You`re telling me that it would be unusual for him to go to sleep at the end of the day, if he were spending the night somewhere else, and not say, Good night, I`m going to sleep?
REDWINE: Well, not necessarily going to sleep, but he would let me know where he landed for the night. So like, if he was hanging around with his friends in Bayfield, you know, he would let me know what friend he was sleeping with that night or whatever the case may be.
You know, he often did stay up later, so he didn`t always text me, but he would always generally text me in the morning when he woke up.
GRACE: Now, you didn`t hear from him since he touched down 7:06 PM. You didn`t hear from him the next morning. What did you make of that at the time?
REDWINE: You know, I didn`t really think anything of it just because, you know, when he`s been with his dad here before, which was over Labor Day weekend was the most recent since we`ve moved -- you know, he kind of did his own thing as far as with his friends. And so I would text him and be, like, you know, Are you having fun? And it wouldn`t be a prescribed time. It would just kind of be more throughout the day, just me, you know, telling him I loved him and just kind of reaching out to him.
But he -- you know, on a daily basis, he would definitely always get in touch with me and generally...
GRACE: What`s this business about bad cell reception in that area? Was there bad cell reception? Did you have a problem hearing from him back on Labor Day, the last time he had visited his dad?
REDWINE: You know, there is bad cell reception, but texts always seemed to come through. So while you can`t necessarily speak with someone on the phone...
GRACE: That`s true.
REDWINE: ... it doesn`t seem like I ever had an issue getting texts from Dylan up there.
GRACE: You know, that`s true. That`s a very common experience. You cannot get a cell to make a cell phone call, but you can get texts in and out. You can even get texts up in the air on an airplane somehow.
GRACE: Everyone, taking your calls is Dylan`s mother. Now, Ms. Redwine, was -- did there come a time when you learned that Dylan was missing? How did that happen?
REDWINE: Well, his dad texted me at around, oh, 4:30. Maybe it was closer to 5:00 on Monday. And I texted him back. You know, it was like, Well, we should call the sheriff. So I went ahead and I actually called the sheriff that day. I don`t know if Mark had called the sheriff that day, either, but I called the sheriff right after I got the text from Mark.
I went to my house, picked up a bag, grabbed my oldest son, Corey (ph), and we came to Durango.
GRACE: What were his words when the dad told you he couldn`t find Dylan?
REDWINE: He asked me if I had heard from Dylan. And I told him it was -- you know, it was discerning (sic) to me that I was, you know, six hours away, and he was asking me that question.
GRACE: And then you found out he hadn`t been seen. So did you actually call the police?
REDWINE: I did call the police. I don`t know if Mark did or not, but I did, as well. I called the Bayfield police.
GRACE: Have you had a hard time getting information out of the father?
REDWINE: Well, you know, I`ve tried reaching out to him. You know, we`ve texted -- he`s -- you know, he`s just not been -- we just haven`t worked together very well through all this. And like I said, I`ve really tried to reach out to him. But people react differently, I guess.
GRACE: What do you mean by that?
REDWINE: Well, I mean, you know, I just want to find my son. I mean, right now, that is my primary focus. And we need to get over anything that has occurred. We just need to find our son. And you know, unfortunately for Mark, he was the last person to see Dylan. So all the questions are going to come back to him, and he needs to, you know, try and understand what people are going through, what we`re going through, what Dylan`s brother is going through and help us find Dylan.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Redwine`s ex-wife, Elaine, has told interviewers she thinks he may have had a hand in Dylan`s disappearance.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mark Redwine is not being considered as a suspect at this time. However, because the last place Dylan was seen was in this house...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dylan Redwine was staying with his father. Mark Redwine says he left his house, and that when he returned, Dylan was gone.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dad says he left 7:30 in the morning, comes back four hours later, 11:30, he is not there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The family says there`s no way Dylan would have run away. It`s not like him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Foul play or an abduction could have been involved.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A thorough search of the house and property to see if we can find anything that would lead us in the direction of where Dylan is.
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GRACE: Where is Dylan? He goes for a visit at his dad`s house. He touches down just fine. Dad picks him up at the airport. Dad leaves to run errands the next morning 7:30 AM. Dylan, 13-year-old, doesn`t want to get up. He`s never seen again.
And with me, taking your calls, his mom. With me, Elaine Redwine joining us tonight from Durango.
Elaine, you have taken and passed a police polygraph, is that correct?
GRACE: And what kind of questions did they ask you?
REDWINE: You know, just basic questions, just trying to see if I was a good candidate for the polygraph.
GRACE: What do you know about the father`s polygraph?
REDWINE: You know, I don`t know much. I know that, you know, everyone is encouraging him to take that. So hopefully, he will do that soon so we can get him out of the picture, and you know, focus on where Dylan is.
GRACE: Has the father taken a polygraph?
REDWINE: You know, I`m not sure. I know he`s been asked to.
GRACE: Do you know if he took it?
REDWINE: I do not at this time, no.
GRACE: Is it your understanding that he`s failed a polygraph?
REDWINE: No, I don`t think he failed a polygraph. You know, I don`t know the specifics behind that. I don`t think he necessarily failed. But you know, I don`t have any information on that. So it`s real -- it`s real tough for me to answer that question.
GRACE: Elaine, when you were speaking earlier to our producers, you mentioned it was your understanding that he had failed a polygraph.
REDWINE: No, I didn`t say he had failed the polygraph.
GRACE: OK. Good. I`m glad you can clarify that. So what is your understanding, then?
REDWINE: I think it was inconclusive.
GRACE: Is he being asked to take another?
REDWINE: I believe so, yes, he is.
GRACE: We are taking your calls. Out to Dee in North Carolina. Hi, Dee. What`s your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I would like to know why the authorities are taking so much time investigating the situation instead of branching out and looking for this boy. Why aren`t they looking for him? It`s saddening that they`re not just branching out and looking for him instead of focusing on the family.
GRACE: It`s my understanding, Ellie Jostad, that they are doing exactly that, that they have gone door to door in multiple communities, that they have gone to every sex offender that`s registered, that they have done foot searches, that they have done volunteer searches, that they have drained a lake, a nearby lake, that they have brought out cadaver dogs, that they`re bringing in volunteers to go into densely wooded areas.
Is that correct, Ellie?
JOSTAD: Yes, that`s correct, Nancy. They have been doing searches. For a while, they were asking volunteers to hang back so that law enforcement could get in there and do searches without having to deal with volunteers that might unintentionally hamper the search. But there have been active searches. And now they`re asking for video from people that may have seen something.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: La Plata County Sheriff`s Office handed Mark Redwine a search warrant and began combing through his home.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a very detailed, meticulous search of the house and property.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can`t even explain it. You know, I mean, it just tears you up inside.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t believe that Dylan ran away. I don`t really know what happened to Dylan.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The focus for the moment is on this address.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My focus right now is focusing on Dylan and what he needs from us to help find him.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: We are taking your calls. Where is 13-year-old Dylan Redwine?
I want to go and find out, now to you, Robyn Walensky, anchor, reporter with TheBlaze, about the search of the home and the vehicles. What do we know? I know the father was very cooperative. He allowed cops to come in. They later got a search warrant for an additional search. What do we know about this?
ROBYN WALENSKY, REPORTER, THEBLAZE: Well, I find it interesting that they first searched the house, Nancy, and that`s how they know about the cereal bowl and the Nickelodeon being on the TV. But then they came back and they seized both of his pickup trucks.
So that leads me to believe that -- what are they looking for? Are they looking for blood, some sort of DNA evidence? Was the boy in the pickup trucks? Who else was in those cars? Why else would they take the vehicles?
But what really strikes me, what really sticks out about this case, what`s bothersome, is this four-hour window. That`s a really long time that Daddy says he was out doing errands, allegedly, at 7:00 in the morning, Nancy.
If he was out getting gas, there`s a receipt and a video. If he was out getting coffee at the local McDonalds, there`s a receipt and there`s video. If he`s out at the 24-hour Wal-Mart, there`s a receipt and video. So I`d like to see the four-hour timeline of where the dad was.
GRACE: With me is Dylan`s mother, Elaine Redwine, joining me from Durango. Elaine, it`s my understanding that the police have verified the dad went to those places.
REDWINE: I agree. There has -- they have verified where Mark had said he had went.
GRACE: So do you, Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaas Kids, joining me out of San Francisco tonight. What do we do? What does this all say to you, Marc?
MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: Well, I think that Mr. Redwine has to put aside any differences that he has and absolutely cooperate, first of all, with his ex-wife. Parents who are in this situation come together all the time to look for their missing kid, cooperate with law enforcement, and explain how he can have a child who just got there and not have any contact with him for almost an entire day.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The focus for the moment is on this address. Dylan Redwine was staying with his father.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 11:30 was the last time anybody had seen Dylan.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s been no activity on his phone whatsoever since Sunday evening sometime.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police are going door to door in the neighborhood north of the dad`s home, interviewing people.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hopes are high, but the situation isn`t very promising.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Two cadaver dogs hit on that lake, huge search, divers in the water, boats on the water.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His mom is making a desperate plea for his return.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In an interview with "Good Morning America" says her husband...
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GRACE: Now, here is a boy that`s scrubbed in sunshine if there ever was one, 13-year-old Dylan Redwine. He goes to his dad for Thanksgiving break. It`s about six hours` drive away. He touches down. He`s picked up by his dad. He`s never heard from again.
Dad says he oversleeps the next morning. He doesn`t want to wake up. Dad goes out to run errands. When he gets back four hours later, the little boy is gone.
We are taking your calls. To Ben Levitan, telecommunications expert joining me out of Raleigh tonight. Ben, explain to me this phenomenon that his mom is talking about that we`re all familiar with, and that is a lot of times, you cannot make your cell phone work, but you can get texts out. So all this business about it`s a bad texting area, you can`t get a cell, well, guess what? You can send a text.
BEN LEVITAN, TELECOMMUNICATIONS EXPERT: That`s absolutely right, Nancy. The texting goes over a different line than your voice calls go over. And that line is stronger, and it`s a very strong digital line. So you would - - you will be able to send a text. You will be able to call 911. And a lot of times, you know, you`ll be able to dial a call, but the call won`t go through.
GRACE: So wait, wait. I`m just a lawyer, Ben Levitan.
LEVITAN: I`m sorry.
GRACE: What do you mean it`s a different line? You`ve got one cell phone. The text will always go through. You can send and receive texts, but you cannot make a phone call on that cell phone. Why?
LEVITAN: Well, because, Nancy, there is -- there`s -- your cell phone is a radio. And you have a -- you have a radio connection to talk on. So, you know, your cell phone is like a little broadcast station. You speak into a microphone, and you are broadcasting your voice to a cell tower. Also you have a radio receiver that you hold on your ear. The cell tower broadcasts to you, and then there`s a third line which controls the cell phone. And that`s used -- that`s used just by the cell phone network to send your telephone messages to ring, to send you caller I.D., and to send you text messages.
That line is much more robust. So that`s why, very often, if you cannot -- if you cannot make a voice call, you still can send out a text message because it`s going over a different line.
GRACE: Got it. Got it. So that explains why mom, Elaine Redwine, in Durango, could get his texts but not necessarily could she get his cell phone to go through to Dylan`s line.
Now, Miss Redwine, let me talk to you about what we find left at the home. The dad comes back from running errands for about four hours, 7:30 to 11:30. He finds a cereal bowl in the sink. Is that common?
REDWINE: Yes. I mean, you know, Dylan ate cereal. I don`t really know how to --
GRACE: OK, so that`s normal. What about the cell phone and the backpack and other belongings?
REDWINE: It was my understanding from his dad that everything Dylan had was in his backpack including his cell phone, his iPod, his iPod charger, his cell phone charger, all of his clothes. So we had to actually make a trip to get some of Dylan`s clothes from where we live in Colorado Springs because it was my understanding there were no clothes at his dad`s house.
GRACE: At the home.
Ellie, what did you learn?
JOSTAD: Well, Nancy, there are some reports that there was some clothing left behind. But, you know, Elaine points out something that we`d asked about. We knew that they did have to go fetch more clothing in Colorado Springs for those scent dogs. So it would make more sense that everything was gone with Dylan.
GRACE: Out to the lines. Shannon in Utah. Hi, Shannon. What`s your question?
SHANNON, CALLER FROM UTAH: Hi. 9 News in Denver reported over the weekend that there were judge issued -- protective orders issued before and after the divorce. And so my question was, was Dylan ever physically abused by his father in the past possibly, you know, due to alcohol use or anything?
GRACE: Ellie, what do we know?
JOSTAD: Nancy, we do know that both parties sought and received temporary restraining orders that were vacated a short time later from the records we were able to get. We do also know that in 2003, Mark Redwine was charged with child abuse or neglect without injury as well as some other charges.
GRACE: So wait a minute.
GRACE: Ellie, from what we can tell from those records, that could be something as simple as the boy was driving in the pickup bed.
GRACE: He left the boy in the car when he ran into the 7-Eleven. I don`t know what that is without more information about it. So I hate to go crazy on that.
GRACE: Before I`ve got all the facts. But unleash the lawyers. Renee Rockwell and Erick Schwartzreich. Eric, Miami, Renee, Atlanta.
Renee, charges like that could be a number of things.
RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, Nancy, no seatbelt. Not having the child at the bus stop -- having the child at the bus stop for too long and not coming to get him. Too many things. You can`t read anything into that, Nancy.
GRACE: And to you, Eric Schwartzreich, regarding the protective orders, both parties, the mother and the father, and I`m not asking her because she doesn`t want to talk about this, and I get it. She`s here to talk about her son. Both parties took out restraining orders against each other in the middle of a divorce. That -- that happens every day. That really doesn`t mean anything to me.
ERIC SCHWARTZREICH, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, first of all, to the Redwines, I hope that they do find Dylan. My hearts and prayers --
GRACE: We all do.
SCHWARTZREICH: But yes, absolutely. And ex-wives, Nancy, they`re like poltergeists. They love to haunt you. They`re always around. And in divorce cases, restraining order, he said-she said, constantly pointing fingers. So just because ex-wife, operative term ex-wife makes an accusation doesn`t mean --
GRACE: Did you just say that ex-wives are like poltergeists?
SCHWARTZREICH: I said that exactly, Nancy.
GRACE: Yes, OK.
SCHWARTZREICH: They`re there. They`re haunt you.
GRACE: You can go ahead and cut his mike now.
To Caryn Stark, psychologist. Caryn, yes, I heard about the orders, the restraining orders taken way, way, way back when when the divorce was in the thick of it, and both parties took them against each other. That`s not really helping me find this boy, Caryn.
CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: No, it`s not, Nancy. And let`s take a look because the relationship does seem to be contentious. And there`s hesitation on the mother`s part when it comes to speaking about the father. This is not helpful right now because they need to get together if they`re innocent. Also ex-wives are like poltergeists? I don`t get that.
GRACE: I want to go back to you, Robyn Walensky. I want to talk about the searches. Let`s talk about what we know about. Let`s talk about the boy. Searches of the cars were done to the vehicles, and they have not been returned. I find that interesting. There was a permission search, which means the person doesn`t make you go get a search warrant. The first time.
But for the second search, I know that search warrants were obtained. That doesn`t mean the dad said no, you can`t search. That means that cops went and got search warrants to go further than a cursory search.
What do we know and what was taken out of the home?
Hold on. We lost Robyn`s satellite.
Jon Denny, let me throw that question to you.
DENNY: From what I understand, they`ve taken two trucks from the home, from Mark Redwine`s home, and -- for further investigation. Mark has also said that they let him back into the home today. And he noticed that several items were taken, but that he wouldn`t elaborate on what exactly had been removed from the home.
GRACE: Joining me also is Lt. Christopher Pukenas, former supervisor of a polygraph unit.
Lieutenant, thank you for being with us. Why is it so important that both parents take polygraphs and what are police looking for in addition to pass, fail, inconclusive on that polygraph? What else do you look for?
LT. CHRISTOPHER PUKENAS, FORMER SUPERVISOR, POLYGRAPH UNIT NEW JERSEY STATE POLICE: Well, we take a statement from the persons as well when we give them the polygraph. And it`s interesting, some of the things that the father said in the statement that I had seen, that he said that how much the boy had meant to him, past tense, things like that. And I find it interesting that he wouldn`t really -- I miss him. I`m looking for him. I`m doing everything I can to find him, rather than say, how much he meant to me. Things like that. So we look for statements as well. We`ll get to them first and prior to the polygraphs.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A very detailed meticulous search of the house and property. The last place Dylan was seen was in this house.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Mark Redwine says he left his house early.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Dad said he left 7:30 in the morning.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Went out to run some errands.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: When he returned four hours later, Dylan was gone.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The parents are split up. Elaine, Dylan`s mother - -
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She had primary custodial rights.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She says this is a tech-savvy kid who is always texting.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: His phone was not used since 8:00 p.m. Sunday night.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His intent to get up and his dad drive him into Bayfield to meet his friends at 6:30 in the morning.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nothing is adding up in this case.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The 13-year-old --
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: We are taking your calls. Now with me tonight is a very special guest, Dylan`s mother is with us, and she is taking your calls. Elaine Redwine desperate to find her 13-year-old boy.
Miss Redwine, I was thinking about the way this timeline is unfolding. I know he texted you when he touched down, that was at 7:06 p.m. The next morning he was going to go meet some of his little friends. He`s got a lot of friends in the area from having lived there. Did any of his friends hear from him that morning?
REDWINE: No, not that I`m aware of. And I`ve spoken to some of his friends, but no. It doesn`t appear that anyone`s heard from Dylan since Sunday evening.
GRACE: Elaine, is there a landline there in the home?
REDWINE: Yes, there is.
GRACE: So if he wanted to, he couldn`t make his cell phone get a proper signal, he could have used the landline to call his friends, right?
REDWINE: That would be my assumption as well, yes.
GRACE: Do you know if there is Internet in the home? Does the dad have a laptop or a desktop?
REDWINE: Yes, he does.
GRACE: Did anybody get any e-mails from Dylan?
REDWINE: Not that I`m aware of, no. I certainly didn`t, and I don`t think anyone else did either.
GRACE: How unusual is this for Dylan? Isn`t -- doesn`t he love to text?
REDWINE: It`s extremely unusual for Dylan. I mean, you know, he wanted me to get him a smartphone so bad and in retrospect I wish I would have gotten him one quicker, but it was what I was going to get him for Christmas, what I`m going to get him for Christmas because he kind of outgrew his little -- his phone that he had. It was just a little flip phone. And he was just - - that thing was smoking by the time he was done.
GRACE: Everyone, you are seeing shots of 13-year-old Dylan.
Tell me what would be his normal activity that morning. I`m trying to think of wherever he might be, Miss Redwine.
REDWINE: No, and I appreciate that. You know, Dylan was always good. He always had to wake up for school early. So irrespective of what time he went to bed, you know, he was really good about waking up. So if he had plans at 6:30 to meet with his friends, you know, it`s uncharacteristic of him not to be up and ready. So, you know, I just -- I know him. And I know him very well. And I think that, you know, he definitely would have been up and ready at 6:30, 7:30, whenever in the morning.
GRACE: So the understanding I have of the facts, Elaine, is that the dad wakes up. Dylan didn`t want to get up. So he slept late. And the father left to go do errands.
GRACE: OK. Because that`s not what you`re telling me is his normal SOP, that he will get up because he`s got to get up every morning for school, so he`ll get up to go be with his friends.
How far away did those friends live from the father?
REDWINE: Yes, and that`s the point is that he knew that if he didn`t get up early in the morning, because Bayfield Area, where he`d see his friends, you know, it is not in walking distance. It`s probably, you know, 30 to 45-minute drive. So he would have had to be waiting at his dad`s house all day or whenever his dad came back in order to get a ride down there.
REDWINE: Uncharacteristic that he wouldn`t have woken up early that morning to get a ride 45 minutes into town to see his friends.
GRACE: Out to the lines. Pam in Pennsylvania. Hi, Pam. What`s your question?
PAM, CALLER FROM PENNSYLVANIA: My question is, if all of Mark`s statements are contradictory, as he states like Dylan was important to me, why would they believe that he tried to wake him at 7:30 in the morning? Why are they not looking from 8:00 at night to 7:30 in the morning?
I have two blond-haired, blue-eyed grandsons, 4 and 6 years old. Dylan has touched my heart because I know, my daughter once in Florida got put on the wrong bus by her stupid teacher. And they dropped her off five blocks away. She went to somebody`s house, called the police to get home.
You know, it`s stupid things like this that people overlook. Why are they not looking at that time frame?
GRACE: For all I know, in answer to Pam from Pennsylvania, police are looking at a timeline starting when he touched down the night before.
Joe in Florida, what`s your question?
JOE, CALLER FROM FLORIDA: Hi. There really is no proof that he ever spent the night at the house, is there? In connection with the -- with the trucks, there probably is some DNA evidence or some kind of evidence that he was in one truck because the father picked him up in that truck at the airport. But if he`s -- if there`s signed that he was in the second truck, that would be suspicious. And as far as the father is concerned, if he`s dragging his feet on a redo of the -- of the lie detector test, polygraph test, that doesn`t speak well for him.
GRACE: You know, to Dr. Kent Harshbarger, medical examiner, forensic pathologist, joining me out of Dayton, that`s an excellent point Joe from Florida just made. You would expect to find the boy`s DNA in the car in which he was picked up, the truck, the vehicle. Especially if they went out to eat. But if it`s in a second vehicle, not so sure. Although the boy may have been in that vehicle before, Kent.
DR. KENT E. HARSHBARGER, MEDICAL EXAMINER, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: That`s exactly right. And these searches, you know, when I heard he was there at Labor Day weekend, he could have been in the vehicle`s van. So DNA is probably not the most important thing in the search. The search (INAUDIBLE) signs of violence is blood, finding blood in the vehicle.
GRACE: And if someone had grabbed Dylan if he was hitchhiking, how would police go about establishing that forensically or could they, Kent?
HARSHBARGER: Right. It`d be hard to establish unless they found the place where (INAUDIBLE) possibly surveillance videos. Again signs of violence in the vehicle, injury patterns on him or the assailant that might match a pattern on the vehicle. The door jam or something where could show a force of entry to the vehicles perhaps.
GRACE: We remember American hero Marine Lance Corporal Noah Pier, 25, Fairfax, Virginia. Purple Heart, Navy and Marine Corps Achievement medals, Combat Action Ribbon. Loved history, karate, and his mother`s cheesecake. Loved to remodel homes. Favorite actor, John Wayne. Parents Mark Sr. and Vicki. Four sisters, five brothers.
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MARK REDWINE, MISSING BOY`S FATHER: My focus right now is focusing on Dylan and what he needs from us. To help find him. He needs to come home. And that`s what everybody wants for him.
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GRACE: We are taking your calls. Out to Jason. Hi, Jason. What`s your question?
JASON, CALLER: Hi, Nancy. It`s great talking with you again tonight.
JASON: I want to know where is Dylan`s father right now?
GRACE: Good question. Straight out to Dylan`s mom, Elaine Redwine, is with us.
Where is the dad tonight?
REDWINE: Well, I`m not sure where he is specifically, but I believe, you know, he`s staying at his residence where Dylan was last seen.
GRACE: I know that your family has joined together and are doing everything humanly possible to find Dylan. I mean, this is a boy that has never been in any trouble before, is loved by his family, by his friends, everybody. He`s just the sweet kid every mom dreams of having.
Ms. Redwine, what your is your message tonight?
REDWINE: For anyone who has seen Dylan, somebody who knows where he is, please help us find Dylan. He is, as you say, Nancy, sunshine, and he is a huge missing link in our family. We need to have together so we can put this puzzle back together. If you know anything, please call. We will take anonymous tips, whatever. Just, you know, somebody knows where he is. Please come forward.
GRACE: Everyone, you`re hearing the voice of Dylan`s mother asking for your help tonight. We are joining you in that request, that plea. The number is 1-800-THE-LOST.
Here`s a shot of Dylan.
Everyone, as we head to "DR. DREW" who`s coming up next, I want to show you a great shot of a friend of ours. There`s Shun at Waffle House sending everybody wishes for a Merry Christmas and blessings on all missing children tonight, including Dylan.
Everybody, stay tuned for "DR. DREW." He`s coming up next. And I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.