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Radio Hosts to Blame for Nurse`s Suicide?; Human Ken Doll
Aired December 10, 2012 - 21:00 ET
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DR. DREW PINSKY, HOST (voice-over): They call him the human Ken doll. At age 32, he`s already had 90 cosmetic procedures. His upper body is covered in rock hard prosthetic muscle implants. Those biceps not real, neither are those pecs. A total transformation head to toe, and it is not over. In fact, he`s flying to Miami for potentially more just hours after this show.
So, why does he do it? How far will he go?
He is taking your calls right here with me, so start dialing.
But first, "Monday Madness". A convicted sex offender puts a huge sign in his front yard publicizing his crime. What is he trying to achieve?
And an Australian radio prank call ends in suicide. Are they responsible for his death?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was just meant to be us being silly, getting hang up on.
PINSKY: And you won`t believe the other jaw-dropping pranks that have gotten that same station in the hot water.
Let`s get started.
PINSKY: OK, it`s Monday Madness, and we`re going to get into a story that you`ve seen all over the place, but I want to try to get into it a little deeper.
It`s about the Australian radio host who initiated a royal prank call. It had deadly results, and those folks who made the call do not have a show any longer.
Here is their reaction to the news that their joke, their prank call may have contributed to what is being called a suicide of the nurse where the duchess of Cambridge is being treated for something called hyperemesis gravidarum.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not for a second did we expect to even speak to Kate, let alone have a conversation with anyone at the hospital. We wanted to be hung up on.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The intention I supposed were never even -- we never expected to even get to Kate. It wasn`t even about can we speak to her? It was just about let`s just call and we`ll be hung up on and that was it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not a minute goes by that we don`t think about her family and what they might be going through. And the thought that we may have played a part in that is gut-wrenching.
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PINSKY: Gut-wrenching indeed.
Joining us to discuss, Laura Baron. She`s a relationship coach. Attorney Darren Kavinoky, and Kim Serafin, senior editor, "In Touch Weekly."
Kim, I want to start with you. It wasn`t intended to harm. Do we have to really get rid of all prank calls from now on because there`s potential for harm?
KIM SERAFIN, IN TOUCH WEEKLY: You know, it`s an interesting discussion, because prank calls, practical jokes, this has been going on for a long time. Whether you go back to TV`s bloopers and practical jokes, and clearly what shock us if anyone listens to any morning radio show, this has been done often, and these two radio hosts had done this before, sometimes joking, sometimes serious consequences.
There have been other instances in the past we`re learning about what these deejays have done in the past that the station signed off on, things that caused anxiety, they gave a woman a thousand dollars to call her mother and tell her that her -- or call her sister and tell her her mother was seriously injured and ambulance rushed there. So they clearly interrupted public safety there.
This is, you know, calling a nurse. This wasn`t just calling someone at a floral shop and telling them to deliver flowers. So, I think this obviously had bigger consequences. But you`re right, where do we draw the line?
PINSKY: Where do we draw the line? Darren, are there legal issues here? I have sort of two questions for you, which is there`s potentially I suppose some ethical/legal implications here. But moreover, I mean, doesn`t this hospital have a big shoulder -- burden to shoulder here in terms of their privacy policies?
DARREN KAVINOKY, ATTORNEY: Well, there`s a big difference between being convicted in the court of public opinion and being convicted of something in a court of law. Generally speaking, when we`re talking about something like suicide, someone taking their own life is going to be considered a superseding, intervening, unforeseeable act and, generally, there is not going to be certainly criminal liability and probably not civil liability, either.
As a matter of fact, the closest thing we had recently, if you think about that Rutgers case where there was that whole webcam spying incident and they outed, one student outed another, there was certainly criminal liability regarding the invasion of privacy there, but nothing regarding the later suicide.
But I`ve got to take a step back from this one, Drew, and just wonder -- you know, obviously we put the best, hardest hitting journalists on morning radio. If we`re going to now take the position that prank calling is a problem, then Howard Stern should be on death row.
PINSKY: Right, that`s right. It`s not Howard, by the way, it`s his staff that does al the prank calls. But to be fair, you know, I`ve done crank anchors, I`ve done radio for years, I`ve sat by while people have done crank calls.
I`m going to think twice before I participate in anything, really thinking it all the way through. But you`ve been shaking your head vigorously here. What are your thoughts?
LAURA BARON, RELATIONSHIP COACH: Well, because it`s not just about the talking head. Yes, you should edit yourself. Yes, you should consider, is this going to have repercussions?
But these deejays took tapes and brought it to lawyers, brought it to executives --
PINSKY: Before they aired it.
BARON: Before they aired it.
BARON: It was actually the executives that signed off on it. Where are their faces all over TV?
PINSKY: I agree with you, Laura. And not only, the way I understood, the executives actually tried to contact the hospital five times before they aired it and couldn`t get any call back.
Now, mind you, we`re talking about international differences here. This is Australia and that was England.
BARON: Drew, they ride to call the hospital and say what, we`re about to hose the princess? We`re sorry about what is about to go down?
KAVINOKY: Isn`t this an illustration, too, of some cultural differences? And obviously, Drew, you`re the one here that`s got the real experience from a mental health standpoint. But it was a prank phone call, and the idea of somebody committing suicide because of the dishonor that follows, it just seems to me --
PINSKY: Right. It seems extreme, but I got to tell you, not only might there be some cultural issues here, this woman was from India, Laura.
PINSKY: Not only that, nurses in the U.K., apparently led very constrained lives. They`re underpaid, excessive hours.
My understanding is, I don`t have confirmation of this, but I`ve heard said from my U.K. friends, that this woman was in sort of a dormitory that the hospital provided because the nurses can`t afford housing. So her living was being jeopardized, her housing for her kids was being jeopardized. She may have really been in a lot of distress here.
BARON: Absolutely. So, the hospital is ultimately setting these people up for this.
Yes, it was the royal whatever, the royal family. That shouldn`t be any different than anybody else. It really shouldn`t.
BARON: I agree. But also, you know, this radio station was nailed a couple years back because of what Kim had said about the past thing where the teenager had said that she had gotten raped and it was supposed to be just a prank calling.
PINSKY: It was a lie detector test.
BARON: Yes, it was a lie detector test.
BARON: Why weren`t -- why wasn`t this radio station damned for that? Is the only reason we`re talking about this because it`s the princess? Do we not care about the regular person out there?
PINSKY: Kim, you want to say something?
KAVINOKY: If this happened in the U.S., these people would have their own reality show. It`s an entirely different world over there.
PINSKY: Kim, go ahead.
SERAFIN: I was going to say, first of all, the radio deejays apparently said they apparently didn`t expect it to go this far. They expected it to make it through one round, ask one question and then get hung up on. So, they didn`t realize they would get this much information, this much private information.
PINSKY: Which doesn`t make any sense at all, Kim. It doesn`t make any sense at all that -- like the radio deejay said, they shouldn`t have gotten through.
Here`s what happens in this country when we say, I want to speak to Jane Smith. I can`t tell you whether Jane Smith is a patient here or not.
Lisa in Canada, we`ve got a call.
Lisa, do you want to get online here and tell us what you`re thinking?
LISA, CALLER FROM CANADA: Hi, Dr. Drew, how are you?
PINSKY: I`m good. What`s going on?
In my opinion, they shouldn`t be fully blamed for the death, but I think this humiliation they`re receiving is I think is pretty much enough because that will go permanently on their record. I mean, everybody knows about it.
And I think in my opinion, what they should have done is they should have hung up as soon as this nurse transfers them, because -- I mean, that`s kind of invasion of privacy because I`m sure they knew there was a chance they weren`t going to be transferred, and they got private information that they shouldn`t have gotten.
PINSKY: The real question here, though, is should these people also lose their livelihood? I mean, this is their job, too, on the line.
I mean, a case could be made for how about training them? How about helping them be an example? How about, you know, educating them as opposed to crushing them? You know what I mean?
BARON: Yes, I agree -- yes. I agree that shunning them is ridiculous. They did have an opportunity -- she is right, they did have an opportunity as soon as they got transferred in, they could have stopped.
PINSKY: We`ve got to take a break. What do you think about this story? Call us now, 855-DRDREW5.
And later, I`ve got a guy who had 90 cosmetic surgeries. There he is.
PINSKY: Yes, ouch, indeed. Ouch is right. He plans to have more. In fact, he`s thinking of having one more -- well, we`ll tell you when coming up soon. Stay with us. We have a lot to talk about.
PINSKY: We are back talking about the death of the nurse who answered the prank call from the radio disc jockeys in Australia. Now, the question here we`ve been asking is do these two guys we`re seeing up there have to lose their livelihood because of not really thinking through what the potential consequences of their actions were?
And mind you, if you remember when you listen to the call, those of you who heard it, they`re kind of gloating and excited that they`re getting through. Frank calls have to be -- I mean, how far do we go?
You know, let`s put it this way. This nurse has got to have been under extraordinary stress. She must have been humiliated. How about the people who humiliated here for hiccuping and letting a call through?
By the way, they have to look at their own policies on these things. Does she have to pay with her life because of policy problems and humiliation within the hospital system, or do we hold those two people responsible?
BARON: Well, I think at this point now everybody is paying because the higher-ups are unwilling to take responsibility. The fact of the matter is the hospital put this woman in an insecure position. As you said, she is not getting paid much. She was holed up with the rest of the nurses. These are her only family.
These two deejays, they had to pass the information through the executives.
PINSKY: At the radio station.
BARON: At the radio station.
BARON: They all signed off on it. Where are their faces all over TV?
PINSKY: Darren, go ahead.
KAVINOKY: I think she`s paying for her life, Drew, because of a choice that she made. She`s the one that ultimately made the decision and took the actions and for what?
PINSKY: And, by the way, Darren, you know, my understanding is that they actually haven`t confirmed this as a suicide yet. They`re still considering it a suicide.
For all we know, she had a heart attack from all the stress she was under from -- who knows what happened here.
Kim, you`re shaking your head vigorously here. What`s your point?
SERAFIN: Well, you know, it`s interesting because we talk about how much protection obviously there is around Kate, how much scrutiny there has been around her after those nude pictures were taken. So you have to wonder what instructions the hospital might have given the staff. I know they tried to pretend they were the queen --
PINSKY: Kim, Kim, let me say something here. Based on what I`m hearing about what she had, she did not have morning sickness. She had something called hyperemesis gravidarum. I`m just assuming that`s what that was. It`s uncontrolled vomiting related with the first trimester of pregnancy. It could be associated with gall bladder problem. It`s not an uncommon thing, people have to be hydrated.
Now, I`m making that assumption about what happened to her? Have I violated her privacy now? Am I getting a problem because I made that assumption about her? I mean, much do these people need to be protected? Should we not know anything about their --
BARON: But you`re not her nurse.
PINSKY: I understand I`m not under hospital policy. But the question is, how much do these people have to be treated different than anybody else, is my question.
BARON: Well, yes, I think everybody should back off people`s medical records. What we know is that once you get into that personal information, the ship goes down.
PINSKY: Well, listen, we all need the protection of -- and I don`t know what goes on in the U.K., I don`t know if they have the same thing -- we have a HIPAA law here that prevents us, people like me, from even admitting whether somebody is their patient or not, let alone telling some random person on the phone anything about their care.
April, you have a comment, in California.
PINSKY: Is anybody else hearing her? I can`t.
BARON: I can`t.
KAVINOKY: Talk to us, April.
PINSKY: Kim, let me go back to you. We can`t quite hear -- I`m going to Tammy. Tammy in Maine.
Tammy, you got something?
TAMMY, CALLER FROM MAINE: Hello, Dr. Drew. How are you?
PINSKY: Tammy, go right ahead.
TAMMY: First of all, I like to say, everybody in the world should deserve as much love as this royal baby. All babies are equal. It`s really kind of crazy out there.
Secondly, we`re not looking at the woman who committed suicide or died, her culture, she was from India. In India, people are taught not to even question the government and have such honor in their life. I think she was overwhelmed by the scrutiny of the hospital --
PINSKY: I think that could be, that could well be.
Kim, why are we so hungry for this kind of salacious material?
SERAFIN: It`s because we watch all those shows like I meant to me for TV`s bloopers and practical jokes, to punks, to all the stunts that they do on morning radio. You hear it all the time. People like it.
But, again, you know, I just think there`s a difference when it`s a nurse, when it`s someone who`s such a huge public figure, as opposed to just calling someone and just making a joke about something a little. So, I think --
KAVINOKY: But in defense of the deejays involved, as they tell it, they never expected to get anything other than a hung-up. And certainly we know as a universal truth that the price of our misbehavior is often much greater than we anticipate.
PINSKY: You know what?
BARON: But there is a moment. There was a moment that they knew.
PINSKY: I am bored by this topic. I`m bored by it. I`m actually bored by this topic. I`m bored by the royal family, I`m upset that these people have to lose their job, I`m mortified that this woman has lost her life.
BARON: I agree.
PINSKY: But this is -- that hospital needs to examine its policies, enough said. Put those poor people back on the radio.
Thank you guys for joining me.
Laura, thank you very much.
Kim, thank you, as always.
And, of course, Darren, thanks for joining me.
I`m going on to a guy who has had 90 plastic surgeries. He -- I`m going to examine and show you guys if you allow there -- he is -- exactly what has gone on. I`ll be right back after this.
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PINSKY (voice-over): They call him the human Ken doll. At age 32, he`s already had 90 cosmetic procedures. His body is covered in rock hard muscle prosthetic implants. Those biceps not real, neither are those pecs.
A total transformation head to toe, and it`s not over. In fact, he`s flying to Miami for potentially more just hours after this show.
So, why does he do it? How far will he go? He`s taking calls right here, so start dialing.
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PINSKY: So, we`ll be talking your calls in just a second.
Justin is going to be here with me. But first, I want to read you a Twitter. I told you I was bored by that last topic but I want to read you an interesting Twitter. It says "@DrDrew, you are repeating rumors, salary, living arrangements, et cetera. You`re guests were repeating as fact, unless you verified. Irresponsible."
As I said, we have not verified that. We were talking about the possibility that the living arrangement, the situation of financial distress perhaps had some role in that poor nurse`s demise.
Now, we`re going to change rules, speaking of rules, we`re going to change entirely the topic here to something else. This is Justin Jedlica.
He -- you`ve had head to toe procedures. You`re called the human Ken doll. Where did that come from?
JUSTIN JEDLICA, 90 COSMETIC PROCEDURES, WANTS MORE: Yes, it was dubbed to me by "20/20."
PINSKY: Were you offended by that? Do you like that?
JEDLICA: No, I was flattered.
PINSKY: You were flattered by that?
PINSKY: So, you were going for the plastic man look?
JEDLICA: I like to look a little over done, definitely.
PINSKY: Do overdone, so what have you done, speaking of done?
JEDLICA: So, I`ve done five rhinoplasties, have nose jobs.
PINSKY: Why five?
JEDLICA: You know, the first one was a need and everything after that has been a want, I think surgically. So, it was decent but I wanted something a bit more refined, a little much chiseled.
PINSKY: OK. Five rhinoplasties. What else?
JEDLICA: I had a brow lift. I had a coronal brow bone shave where they shaved the bone ridge off here.
PINSKY: So they actually took your eyebrows, this bone here that men have and just -- that`s no minor procedure. I mean, when you`re cutting into bone -- people, understand, that`s a major deal. A lot of pain, too, right?
JEDLICA: A little more uncomfortable than painful, totally. But there is an incision from ear to ear to be able to access that.
PINSKY: And they have to chew through bone. All right.
JEDLICA: They grind it off, yes. >
PINSKY: They grind off bone?
PINSKY: So they peel off your forehead, grind through the bone, five rhinoplasties, Lips?
PINSKY: How many times?
JEDLICA: Four, because it`s a building process, with permanents.
PINSKY: OK. Keep going. What else you got?
JEDLICA: Four sets of injections on the apples.
PINSKY: The apples?
JEDLICA: The apples, the frontal portions of my cheek here.
JEDLICA: Three sessions on the tops of my stems of my bone here.
PINSKY: Sessions of what?
PINSKY: Of what?
JEDLICA: I did permanent injectables, so I had silicone injections.
PINSKY: Silicone injections into the soft tissue?
PINSKY: Aren`t you worried about them migrating or moving?
JEDLICA: If you get through the initial two weeks of healing and recovery with that, the fibrosis process happens around that and they shouldn`t migrate unless you end up in some sort of accident which would equally dislodge any sort of heart implant.
PINSKY: OK, so keep going.
JEDLICA: China, two sessions of silicone.
JEDLICA: No neck.
PINSKY: Chin, you had an implant. You had --
JEDLICA: I had injectables to pump out the cleft and then give a little more prominence in the profile.
PINSKY: And then you`ve actually had your body down too?
JEDLICA: Right. Done pec implants, with solid silicone implants.
PINSKY: Like a woman`s breast implants?
JEDLICA: No, there`s no fluid to it, no gel.
PINSKY: Like a firm implant.
All right. What else?
JEDLICA: Bicep and tricep implants. I`ve done (INAUDIBLE) for my face. And, you know, temporary injectables --
JEDLICA: I have -- I`ve done my buttocks as well. Thirteen sessions of silicone injections.
PINSKY: OK. Here`s a deal my friend, I would like to examine what you`ve got going on here, if you`ll permit me. Just to see what`s -- I can`t really, like, imagine.
JEDLICA: Are you hitting on me, Drew?
PINSKY: I`m not hitting on you, but now that you mention it -- no. I just can`t imagine what -- where -- I want to talk to your doctor, too, but I`m interested to see how this all fits together. Would you permit me?
JEDLICA: Are you sure?
PINSKY: Here`s the deal. If you`ll permit me, when I come back, we`re going to take a look at Justin`s implants and surgeries. I mean, you can see with the face. We sort of pointed all that out, but this is going to extreme measures, it seems to me, and I also want to talk to his surgeons. We`ll get to that.
That`s up more and your calls, 855-DRDREW5.
PINSKY: I am back with Justin Jedlica who is flattered to be called a human Ken doll. I want to get into this a little more, my friend. Should I call you Ken or Justin?
JEDLICA: You can call me Justin. That`s fine.
PINSKY: I`m sure Ken is going to come out of my mouth. If you don`t mind, let`s have a sort of doctor`s visit here.
Let`s take the coat off. Let me help you here. Your mic is coming off with this, so I`m going to actually have to hold the mic up.
PINSKY: You don`t have to take the shirt off all the way up if you don`t want to.
JEDLICA: All right. I don`t know how we`re going to get around this. >
PINSKY: You`re actually very timid about this.
JEDLICA: You live in L.A., you`ve never seen this before.
PINSKY: So, here we go -- so this is all -- this is all silicone here.
JEDLICA: Silicone solid implants, correct. We have biceps, solids in here.
PINSKY: Hang on a second. So this is not even in the muscle, it`s on top of the muscle, isn`t it?
JEDLICA: It`s under the fascia. These are actually under -- inside the active muscle.
PINSKY: OK, so this is slung into the muscle, correct?
PINSKY: I must tell you, Ken -- Ken -- these things feel bizarre, the triceps.
PINSKY: Yes, they do. And they make me worry they would migrate. How did they hold them in place?
JEDLICA: There`s a pocket that`s cut. So, there hasn`t been any movement. There won`t be any movement.
PINSKY: Let me show this part. Where`s the camera? This camera.
Yes, this is the one that sits on top here.
JEDLICA: But they`re under the skin.
PINSKY: I get it. I mean, this actually looks remarkably good, but again, I worry -- you know, when you`re 75 years old, where are these things going to be?
JEDLICA: Exactly where we put them.
PINSKY: I hope you`re right. OK, put your shirt back on. Let`s give you a chance to get it back together again. Michelle Golland, you`re out there listening to our conversation with Justin.
MICHELLE GOLLAND, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Yes.
PINSKY: Do you have concerns about what`s going on with him? We`re helping him put his clothes back on here. Well, I`m just -- just for the record. I worry -- I mean, Justin seems very cool with all -- everything he`s done. He`s very committed to it -- by the way, is this like a career objective? Is there something you`re going to do with all of this? Is it going to be --
JEDLICA: I do a referral and consultation service where I can help other people to be able to modify themselves the same as I have.
PINSKY: This I`ve got to hear more about.
PINSKY: You want to be a --
JEDLICA: I am.
PINSKY: -- a consultant for other people using plastic surgeries?
JEDLICA: I`ve done it for years for free with my friends, and now, I`m just going to be able to offer it to the public.
PINSKY: Are you a gay man?
JEDLICA: I am.
PINSKY: If you don`t want to talk about it, I understand that, but my question is, do the guys like this? Is this something that`s you find your, you know --
JEDLICA: I think that`s based on my personality --
PINSKY: Or do you have a boyfriend, are you monogamous?
JEDLICA: I have a partner.
PINSKY: Your partner, and does he like this? Does he (ph) think this is great?
JEDLICA: He`s completely supportive of it.
PINSKY: Does he do a lot of this stuff, too?
JEDLICA: No, not a lot, but he`s not opposed to it. If one day he feels like he needs to, he would.
PINSKY: OK. Michelle, let`s go back out to you. So, Michelle, are you concerned -- now, here`s obviously the easy concern is that there`s a body dysmorphia problem underlying this, and the surgeons are reinforcing that rather than asking him to get some help for that.
GOLLAND: Absolutely. I mean, I there is that concern. And I have to say, I saw you in the green room, and I could really feel for you. I mean, I know you were concerned worried about which side you were going to sit on and how that was going to appear. And so, I don`t even know if it`s just about the body dysmorphic disorder, but I think it`s about a real pre- occupation for what I would call approval.
PINSKY: OK. How old are you?
JEDLICA: I`m 32.
PINSKY: Thirty-two. Is this, Michelle, a bigger problem with our young folks in this society that the only way they can derive meaning is that they look perfect?
GOLLAND: Well, I think it`s -- I think there are some generational things going on, Dr. Drew, but my concern, honestly, is really just how it is for him. Does this -- how much of a barrier is this emotionally for you?
JEDLICA: I don`t think that it has anything -- I`m sorry to cut you off. I don`t think that it has anything to do with looking perfect. This isn`t -- I`m not looking for an end result, there`s not an end goal.
PINSKY: Are you going to just keep going forever? You`ve got 90 surgeries already. How many more you have?
JEDLICA: For me, it`s my art form.
PINSKY: You`re art form?
JEDLICA: It is. It`s a way for me to be creative and to work with a doctor to try to create something -- I mean, my journey with modification has progressed where it`s no longer a need. So, this is just purely --
PINSKY: Do you get high off with painkillers that they give you?
PINSKY: Michelle, go ahead.
GOLLAND: I want to say, but I don`t think it is about getting high off the painkillers. I think it`s about getting sort of this -- it reminds me a lot of the individuals who have an addiction to extreme sports. You know, it no longer is enough for them just to go down the black diamond --
JEDLICA: -- victims of society. I mean, how many people could turn off their cell phones for an hour and not be craving to go -- I can see what their text messages were?
GOLLAND: I know, but that doesn`t mean that it`s a healthy lifestyle or it doesn`t mean that it allows you to relate.
PINSKY: Nancy in Massachusetts. Nancy, go ahead.
NANCY, MASSACHUSETTS: Hi, Dr. Drew. How are you?
PINSKY: I`m good. Thank you for calling.
NANCY: Good. I`m concerned about his mental state.
PINSKY: Well, that`s what we`re trying to get into with Michelle is that he seems great, right, I mean, on the surface. Certainly, you don`t have depression --
JEDLICA: -- I think my expectations are very realistic.
PINSKY: Your addictions are very realistic.
PINSKY: Because a true addiction has to have consequences. And so, that`s -- I want to talk to your doctors more than you because there`s people out there willingly part -- you know, enabling, let`s say. Let`s say.
JEDLICA: I don`t think they`re like that at all.
PINSKY: I get you, though. Well, tell me why. Tell me why not.
JEDLICA: Because I look at my body as sculpture. So --
PINSKY: But why not work out? Why not do healthy things? Why put going to the knife? I mean, 90 --
JEDLICA: -- to look like everybody else. I have things over time that have sort of affected me and with my travels, people I`ve met --
PINSKY: What does that mean? What do you mean by that?
JEDLICA: With my travels and becoming more worldly and more experienced. And, I`ve taken more things in than when I was 17. What I initially thought I wanted to look like has changed since that point.
PINSKY: There you were. Look at you back in high school. You look like a nice young man.
JEDLICA: I was a cute kid.
PINSKY: Cynthia in -- you were a cute kid. Cynthia in Nevada.
CYNTHIA, NEVADA: Hi, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: Hi, Cynthia.
CYNTHIA: My question was, how many -- how much can his body take and then when did he get off track where he was so dissatisfied with what he looked like, because his high school picture is very handsome, and somewhere down the line he`s gotten off track and altered his body to the way it looks now.
PINSKY: Right. It`s sort of the how much is enough question. But let me ask you this, what if somebody were to say to you, you know, I liked you much better in your high school picture.
JEDLICA: It`s OK because I didn`t do it for other people. I know that -- and even future surgeries that I have, more people might actually be against those things because they think it might not make a positive result.
PINSKY: All right. That`s what I want to --
PINSKY: Well, that`s -- I`m going (INAUDIBLE) one of your surgeons next and that`s exactly what I`m going to do next. When will he say no more surgery? Does he have no limits? Michelle, you`re shaking your head vigorously. What about the surgeons? Do they, at no point, say that`s enough, Justin? We`ll just keep doing this until you`re into revisions. Oh, it makes me scared.
JEDLICA: -- motivations.
PINSKY: Well, let`s talk about my motivations when we get back.
PINSKY: All right. I`m back with Justin Jedica. He`s had 90 cosmetic procedures and has no plan to stop. He says to try to get him to stop is like trying to get Picasso to stop painting.
JEDLICA: It`s true.
PINSKY: And then you made me sort of -- after asking me if I was trying to pick (ph) up on you, you asked me, you know, or I asked myself what my motivation is in sort of examining this, because I`m interested in people. I`m interested in behaviors. I`m interested in extreme behaviors, and you`re extreme, right?
You`re extreme. It makes us worry that there`s something motivating that, and particularly, I got to tell you -- well, first of all, I think it would be great to have plastic surgery. That`d be fantastic. Why not have a little bit here and there, right? To me, that sounds like wonderful. I won`t look so old. That would be great.
But here`s a deal. Here`s why that`s not going to happen to me. It`s a surgery, and I understand what that means, you know, to have a surgery and to go under the knife and to take those risks for a cosmetic purpose that`s sort of, for me -- I`m going to use a strong word like superficial, OK? That I only want to put -- how would you respond to that?
JEDLICA: I think that you have to take risks. Anything in your life worth having is going to require some full of a risk. And if you don`t take those --
PINSKY: I`m going to talk to your surgeon in a second, because he`s here with me. If I got a staph infection because I had somebody sucking fat out of my butt, what do I tell my kids? Do you know what I mean? I can`t do this anymore.
JEDLICA: -- honest with them, but yes.
PINSKY: Well, no. Let me go to the surgeon. Let me talk to -- could you guys please put -- there we go. If you guys are please -- Dr. Nikolas Chugay. He is one of Justin`s several cosmetic surgeries. Now, I want to ask you, sir, you have performed which procedures on Justin?
DR. NIKOLAS CHUGAY, ONE OF JUSTIN`S PLASTIC SURGEONS: Well, I have performed the biceps, triceps augmentation, and also, we`ve done some fillers, Botox,
PINSKY: Botox, OK. I thought you said buttocks because that was somebody else, right?
PINSKY: Now, were you aware he`d had dozens and dozens of procedures, and when he came to you, did you have that history, and if so, were you concerned about doing more?
CHUGAY: I was aware that he had quite a few procedures. But by the same token, they were done a long time ago. They were a period of time before. And we have discussed complications and everything that has to do with each procedure. And he did very well with them.
PINSKY: No, I see that. OK, so I`m an internist, Dr. Chugay, and I, you know, deal with people in their 60s, 70s and 80s all the time. That`s one of my sort of jobs in addition to addiction medicine. People sort of forget that about what I do. I see what happens way down the line with tattoos and piercings and all these things that now people think are so cool when they`re young.
Doesn`t -- isn`t he going to have to have revisions of all these things? Aren`t they going to migrate?
CHUGAY: Usually, the body will form scar tissue around the implant, and that scar tissue is sort of the pocket in which the implant sits pretty much for the rest of his life.
PINSKY: Well, that`s --
GOLLAND: You know --
PINSKY: Go ahead, Michelle. I was going to go to you next. That`s what the patient was telling me, in fact. Go ahead, Michelle.
GOLLAND: I have to say, Dr. Drew, I feel like focusing on this physical aspect is really losing the critical point of what I believe is happening here. OK? What is happening here, to me, are these parts that - - you know, I don`t know if you read histrionic personality disorder lately, Dr. Drew, and narcissistic, but like this is those qualities.
And the concern is, is that as soon as these doctors, to me, what needs to happen is that plastic surgeons have to have some protocol towards checking out the mental health of their patient.
And I think anyone who is watching this show would be highly concerned about another doctor performing more surgeries and not just -- I`m not saying that you don`t look attractive or these things aren`t, you know -- at some point, though, there is a serious mental illness that could be happening here, OK?
PINSKY: Before you respond, Justin, I feel you bristling at that. Let me go to a call. Sue in Florida -- Sue.
SUE, FLORIDA. Yes. Good evening. How are you?
PINSKY: Good. Go right ahead.
SUE: I just -- I have two questions. I was wondering, one, how is Justin funding all of these plastic surgeries?
PINSKY: Great question. Yes.
SUE: And two --
PINSKY: Hold on a second, Sue, I want you to stay with me. You must be a million dollar man.
JEDLICA: No, no. Not nearly.
PINSKY: Not nearly?
PINSKY: Or nearly?
JEDLICA: No, not --
PINSKY: How do you fund it?
JEDLICA: You know, I was brought up in a lower income family and I was taught the value of a dollar and I`ve always just saved for my surgeries. It was something that was important to me, and --
PINSKY: Do you take loans out for them?
JEDLICA: No, never.
PINSKY: You never take a loan?
JEDLICA: No. And I have no debt.
PINSKY: What do you do for a living?
JEDLICA: Well, at the moment, I was doing my consultation bit, and I have a partner who is lucky enough who has a business that can support --
PINSKY: So, he helps. He helps funding, too?
JEDLICA: He does, if I ask. Sure. But I also use my own savings.
PINSKY: Fine. Sue, second question?
SUE: Yes. And I just wondered, have you -- has Justin had any surgeons refuse to provide any of the surgeries that he`s requested previously?
PINSKY: Good question. How about that?
JEDLICA: Never based on motivations, no.
PINSKY: What does that mean?
JEDLICA: I`ve had doctor that didn`t want to take on --
PINSKY: The risks?
JEDLICA: -- the possibility of making my nose worse because I had already had revisions before, but it wasn`t based on my expectations of being unreasonable.
PINSKY: Hold on a second. So, you were turned away by surgeons because you were pressuring for a repeat revision, and then, you shopped for a doctor until you found one that would do it?
JEDLICA: No. I went to more skilled doctors.
JEDLICA: I went to people who specialized in minor revisions.
PINSKY: Well, let me talk to Dr. Chugay. Hang on a second, Michelle. Dr. Chugay, is that OK? Should patients be driving these things to that extent?
CHUGAY: Well, again, we talked with Justin before about his nose. I told him, Justin, don`t let anybody touch your nose again. Five surgeries is plenty.
PINSKY: OK. Right. Yes, it is, but as somebody told him that at four. Somebody told him that at four surgeries and he still went and found somebody else to do another. And that`s sort of what we`re trying to explore here --
JEDLICA: -- these last three.
PINSKY: Are you wanting another one?
JEDLICA: Tiny tricks (ph). No.
GOLLAND: You know --
JEDLICA: In all honesty, this one has to settle and the last time I had this done was May. And so, it`s still too soon.
PINSKY: Your poor nose.
JEDLICA: I got to live with myself for two years, and then -- but it looks great.
PINSKY: Michelle, finish out there. Go.
GOLLAND: And I understand that you bristled when I said what I did. I feel for you.
JEDLICA: But you live in L.A. This is the most highly concentrated area of plastic surgeons.
GOLLAND: I know, but that`s not the point. I have to say, where you keep going is you rationalize, you deflect, you don`t look at the reality of what is being said to you. Those are all -- I`m concerned for you. Honestly, that`s why I`m saying that.
PINSKY: Michelle, point taken. Justin, back with you, back with your doctor. More of your calls for Justin, 855-373-7395. Do give us a call. We`ll be right back.
PINSKY: I am back with Justin Jedica. And He and I were just having a really interesting conversation during the break.
Now, Michelle, I know you`re concerned about personality disorders and that kind of stuff, but being close to this man, you don`t get the usual feeling that I get from people who are addicted to, you know -- have body dysmorphia or addicted to plastic surgery, or very common thing I see, are going to plastic surgeons because they want to get the opiates and they just go from procedure to procedure.
GOLLAND: Well, I don`t know. I think he charmed you a little much --
PINSKY: I`m easy. You`re absolutely right about that, particularly, when he said I was trying to kind of pick up --
GOLLAND: I`ve been watching the whole thing. I think he`s charmed you a little too much.
PINSKY: He might be, but hold on a second. Michelle, point taken. But he`s educated me on something I thought was really interesting and did kind of fit for me. That is that he loves himself in with the sort of piercing and tattooing and body --
JEDLICA: Body mod.
PINSKY: Body mod. And I said to him during the break, I said, well, you know, a lot of body mod people have history -- they don`t like to admit this, but they have a history of physical abuse and domestic violence in their household, and you said --
JEDLICA: I did come from a household where there was some domestic violence.
PINSKY: Right. And so, that kind of explains the body mod aspect to this which is really not sort of the road we were going down, Michelle.
GOLLAND: Well, I have to say, well, Dr. Drew, I mean, if we`re talking about trauma, how these sorts of clusters of experiences at their core are developed through trauma, OK?
PINSKY: Right. No, I absolutely agree.
GOLLAND: So, I mean, I think I have to say I feel like -- using this time right now in a way to sort of, it feels to me, lighten the mood, I have to say it`s disconcerting to me.
PINSKY: OK. So, your thing would be, your position would be there`s trauma, there is character logical sort of issues with that trauma and that should be dealt with -- so do we do this for every person who have lots of tattoos and lots of piercings that they --
GOLLAND: I think 90 surgeries and surgeons do -- I think even you, Dr. Drew, could tell the difference of tattoos and this.
PINSKY: OK. So, let me talk to Susan in Pennsylvania. Susan, go right ahead.
SUSAN, PENNSYLVANIA: Hi, Dr. Phil. My name is --
PINSKY: It`s Drew, but that`s all right. I got you, Sue (ph). What`s going on?
PINSKY: It`s all right. It`s a good company. It`s all right.
SUSAN: I`m a TMJ implant survivor --
SUSAN: Specifically, silastic silicone, and it caused a foreign body giant cell reaction, which --
PINSKY: OK. So, let me -- and Dr. Chugay, I`m going to go with you on this. She had some sort of silicone -- I guess, her jaw just deteriorated, and she had some sort of replacement and then developed, I guess, some sort of granulomatous reaction, which is sort of a foreign body reaction to that. Can you help explain that a little bit?
CHUGAY: Well, with silicone, you can get a granuloma. And you can get infections even, you know, two, three, or four years later, you can get an infection. So that needs to be removed, the silicone that`s there needs to be removed, and then, the infection needs to be treated with antibiotics.
PINSKY: I`m going to interrupt you real quick and say don`t you then have concerns about these direct soft tissue injections that he`s had with silicone? That was my reaction -- of all the things he`s talked about medically, that was the thing that sort of that surprised me the most.
CHUGAY: Well, medical grade silicone is one of the most inert substances known to man.
JEDLICA: Thank you.
CHUGAY: If it is injected very carefully, judiciously, and using, like I said, high quality medical grade silicone like silicone 1000 in very small micro drop applications. You`re OK. But there`s always a chance of infection with any implant, any implant material.
PINSKY: Were you aware of his history of domestic violence and the kinds of things that we`re -- you know, Michelle and I have been going back and forth about?
CHUGAY: No, I was not.
PINSKY: OK. Carol in Maryland -- Carol. Carol? I can`t hear her if anybody else can.
PINSKY: Justin, I want to give you the last few minutes here. I give you the stage. We`ve been sort of talking about you like you are a Ken doll, like you`re not here.
PINSKY: And you know, -- Michelle has valid concerns, and she has concerns with me letting you off the hook at all.
JEDLICA: I hear her concerns. I mean, I can`t live in the past. I have to move forward and I`ve made my peace with things. I really feel like plastic surgery made an amazing difference in my life.
JEDLICA: They bold me to move forward, to move into a better space. It`s opened me up to a different group of people and a new level of confidence that I think I would not have beenprivy to if I had not had my surgeries.
PINSKY: You have a stable relationship.
PINSKY: Is it close and intimate?
PINSKY: So, you`re able to have -- that`s the big problem in trauma patient. They can`t -- they have trouble being monogamous. They have trouble staying in relationships. They sabotage. They freak out.
PINSKY: None of that?
JEDLICA: No. Three years and going.
PINSKY: OK. And then, again, you got about 30 seconds. What else would you like people to know about you as we sort of head out here?
JEDLICA: I just look at myself as an artist, and I want to be able to help other people to achieve their aesthetic goals whether that`s beautification or rejuvenation or that`s modification to whatever extent they`d like to go. I mean, it`s hard (ph) to find quality doctors.
PINSKY: How did you not get into piercing and tattoos?
JEDLICA: I have always been enamored with the human form, and so, anime, Hen Thai. All of those things.
PINSKY: Oh my God. You`re going to be a human to anime character?
JEDLICA: Oh, I love --
PINSKY: All right. Listen, thank you -- excuse me, thank you, Justin Jedlica, thank you, Dr. Chugay, thank you Michelle Golland. I`ll be right back in just a second.
PINSKY: Here`s a couple things. We went through a lot of territory tonight -- and by the way, did my picture show up on the back here? Are we going to be able to show this or not? Before I -- well, I want to show you something. If you think I`m not cool, here`s something I did last night. My friends -- come on. There we go.
My friends, no doubt, they did a great performance last night at the Amphitheatre here at Universal City. There you go. I`m cool officially. But what I want to talk about is, you know -- I thought Michelle`s points were well taken tonight. I`m not interested in telling anybody how to live their life, really, I`m not.
I`m interested in people who want to change but can`t, particularly, if they`re addicted, trying to change and they`re unable to. That`s interesting to me and that`s really where -- that`s where the rubber hits the road for me. I want to thank Justin Jedlica for joining us, also Dr. Nicholas Chugay, Michelle Golland, Kim Serafin, Darren Kavanocki (ph), Laura Barren (ph).
Thank you all for watching. Of course, thank you for calling as well. I will see you next time. "Nancy Grace" begins right now.