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Jury Sees X-Rated Pics of Jodi Arias

Aired January 14, 2013 - 19:00   ET


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Why was Jodi Arias hiding her face today? Because judge, jury and everyone else in the courtroom were all looking at extremely pornographic photos of Jodi that were shown in open court. But will those photos be a slam dunk for prosecutors who unveiled them? Or will they help Jodi`s self-defense claims?


VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, sobs in court, as stunning naked photos of Jodi Arias and the man she stabbed and shot to death, Travis Alexander, are shown in open court. Did Jodi photograph Travis as she killed him?

And Travis`s former roommate joins me exclusively. He says Jodi called him to ask him about how Travis was killed.

Plus, brand-new information we`ve uncovered in Jodi`s arrest report. Was she trying to flee and disappear but cops nabbed her first? We`re taking your calls.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let`s take a look at exhibit 164. What side of the face is in the photograph?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The right side.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And exhibit 148, what side?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The left side of his head, correct?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s much stronger than she looks.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It doesn`t appear that he`s injured in any way, right?


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In these pictures it doesn`t appear that he`s involved in any altercation, right?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is this a wound that could kill this person?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you tell how close the individual was taking this photograph?


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, sexy and even pornographic -- and I mean triple-X-rated photos, and police station interviews stun the Jodi Arias murder trial courtroom. Will these salacious photos sway the jury? And if so, which way?

Jane Velez-Mitchell, coming to you live. Good evening.

The stunning 32-year-old photographer admits she stabbed her ex- boyfriend 29 times, slitting Travis Alexander`s throat ear to ear and shooting him in the face. But Jodi claims, oh, it was all in self-defense.

Well, just moments ago, the jury saw some graphic naked photos of both Jodi and Travis. We can`t show you all of them. But these are some of the milder ones. Here she is -- well, that is kind of a pose that could be an artist type pose. The other one, she`s in pigtails. What is the significance of her posing in pigtails naked?

And again, here`s the artsy nude of Jodi. In the photo where she seems like a model for an impressionist painter, but I have to tell you, there are some photos of Jodi that were shown in open court that are way, way, way too graphic to show on television. Truly X-rated. And the big question: how will they impact this trial?

There are also nude photos of Travis laying on the bed. Now, just contrast these photos with the autopsy photos. A little while after these photos are taken, look at the vicious wounds that Jodi Arias, by her own admission, left on his hand.

The prosecution explained that just minutes before Jodi did this horrific damage to her lover of hours earlier, she and Travis were up to some kinky sex games, including taking those graphic naked photos. Listen to this.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Items that were deleted, were there some that involved Mr. Alexander in the shower?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were there also some nude ones that appeared people were involved in some sort of sexual activity?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s an image of a male, correct?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What is this right here? Do you know what that is?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It looks like a bottle of personal K-Y, I believe, or some lubricant.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: How do you get from this to killing? Well, we also saw cops grilling Jodi during an on-camera interview the very day she was arrested. This is fascinating. We`re going to play clips of various ones throughout the hour. Listen to this one.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you just playing games? A gun was in your possession. When did you report it stolen?

JODI ARIAS, MURDER SUSPECT: I didn`t even know that there were guns until my grandparents reported it stolen, that their house was broken into?


ARIAS: I don`t remember, a few months ago, maybe.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What did you do with the gun?

ARIAS: I don`t have a gun.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Just one of her many, many, many of the lies, but she admitted she shot Travis Alexander, claiming later self-defense.

I want to hear from you. Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to "In Session" correspondent Beth Karas. You were in the courtroom. I have to say myself, watching all of this, this was one of the most stunning days I have ever seen in any trial I have ever covered: from graphic, triple-X-rated photos to a courtroom just stunned, to listening to the defendant lie repeatedly on videotape.

But let`s get to these photos. What were the photos that weren`t shown? Because I think that that does go to the point of why they are essential to the case. Describe them as you can, and what the reaction was in court.

BETH KARAS, CORRESPONDENT, TRUTV`S "IN SESSION": OK, the photos that you didn`t show but described as basically triple X are two photos that Travis took of Jodi Arias, and basically, it`s her exposed genital area with her legs spread. Two photos like that.

What the defense did in opening statement was show those photos, juxtaposed with one or two of Travis in the shower, more tasteful photos, as Jennifer Willmott, the defense attorney, described them, to basically show that he was taking these humiliating photos of her, while she was taking more artistic, you know, nice photos of him from the waist up in the shower. That was the defense`s position.

Of course, the prosecution is going to introduce everything that was deleted from the camera, to show a time line including when the attack happened. And that`s what these photos helped to establish.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, and let`s take a look at some of the photos shown in open court today. And now we`re going to debate. We`ve got three attorneys, and they represent various opinions, how those photos will impact the trial.

Now, they were shown by the prosecution. But some would suggest maybe they could end up helping the defense. Here you see Jodi naked, wearing pigtails. Look at her expression. She does not appear to be happy in this photo. This is hours before she, by her own admission, stabs Travis Alexander. Some might ask, was this part of a sex game, the pigtails?

And you also see Jodi naked in this artsy pose. You -- we can`t show you the other photos. And one is Jodi. You heard one described by Beth Karas. The other is Jodi on her hands and knees, naked, being photographed from behind in a gynecological pose.

Clearly, since there`s only two in the house, it would appear that Travis Alexander was taking those extreme, X-rated photos of Jodi. And Travis is also photographed by her naked.

But again, sex is the wild card. You never know how it`s going to impact the subconscious of the jurors, especially if you`ve got a juror that`s more prudish than the rest.

So let`s bring in our three attorneys: Reidy Sandler (ph), criminal defense attorney; Loni Coombs, former prosecutor and author of "You`re Perfect"; and Jordan Rose.

And just to get things started, let`s start with Reidy Sandler (ph). You`re a criminal defense attorney who has taken Jodi Arias`s side. Do you think that these photos could end up, even though they were introduced by the prosecution, helping the defense?

REIDY SANDLER (PH), CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Absolutely. Today was a great day for the defense, and as vivid and graphic as these photos are, it actually helps the defense. It sets up either, in a best-case scenario for the defense, self-defense. Worst-case scenario for the defense, it negates premeditation and deliberation and intentional murder. It sets up the fight. It sets up the second-degree murder. So I think, all in all, a very good day for the defense today.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Loni Coombs today, former prosecutor...


VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... could they, these sexual photos, impact the case?

COOMBS: Well, obviously, it`s going to be a mixed bag here. Because as you say, sex is always a wild card for people. There are so many different stereotypes that people are dealing with, and a lot of people out there still don`t believe that a woman can necessarily enjoy sex the way that, you know, with all of these sex games. And so that`s going to play into this defense of she is being forced to do this. This is an abusive situation. She didn`t want to be there.

However, the key in this case is, while it`s hard and boggling to the mind, she went from sex to violence. We know that very soon after that she went back to sex when she went and met her lover in Salt Lake City. And whatever it is about Jodi Arias, she is able to go from sex, coldly killing, and back to sex, and that`s what the jury needs to focus on.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Shana Hogan, journalist, author of "Picture Perfect." These were introduced by the prosecution. What is your reaction -- You`ve studied this case head to toe -- of the impact that these photos are going to have?

SHANA HOGAN, JOURNALIST: Well, it certainly blows her, you know, demure ingenue act that she`s been putting on in court, that she`s too sweet and innocent to engage in some sort of sexual activity.

I disagree with the defense attorney that was on a little bit earlier. I think it was a really bad day for the defense. It shows that she could do these things, and she was clearly enjoying herself at one point in the day. And that she just snapped and was able to things that now she admits to. So we know she did those things, so we know she was able to go from sex to murder.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Listen, these are two consenting adults engaged in this behavior at that time.

But, I want to bring in psychotherapist Robi Ludwig. Again, sex is the wild card. You never know how a jury, and it`s a predominately male jury, is going to react. Are they going to decide she is some of those bad things that she was called in opening statements, while e-mails were read. I don`t need to repeat those words.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Are they going to -- is this going to cheapen her? Or could the jury become sympathetic toward her, concluding that she was sexually exploited by Travis?

LUDWIG: It`s a tough leap. I mean, you have to think that there`s going to be some judgment there. Jodi is such a beautiful girl, and here she is, seductive, and being portrayed as this, you know, sexualized woman. Almost like a porn star.

I don`t think you look at these pictures and just automatically assume that she`s being abused. I wouldn`t look at those photos and think she`s being abused. I might think that they have a different agenda, and maybe that triggered a rage. But I don`t know that we`re seeing abuse here. I mean, you can read that picture.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I think it could work for the prosecution, as well, if she felt humiliated by taking these photos she could have experienced rage after that.

LUDWIG: That`s right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Said, "Oh, how could he have done that to me."

LUDWIG: Or why does he only love me for sex? Why doesn`t he love me for me? Why isn`t he choosing me? Why am I only a sex object to him?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Eight seconds, what are the pigtails?

LUDWIG: She`s acting like a little girl, feels powerless, perhaps, and it sounds like it was role playing going on.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Sexual role playing.

LUDWIG: Sexual role-playing.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Where she`s the school girl?

LUDWIG: She`s a school girl. It sexually turned him on. She wanted to turn him on, and she assumed this role.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But you said something interesting to me. You said before we got started that photos -- sexual photos are usually something that men like to do. It doesn`t turn women on as much, because they`re not as visually oriented.

LUDWIG: I don`t think so. I think for men it turns them on. It stops a moment in time, a pleasurable moment in time, so that they can revisit it again, so it`s almost like that sexual peak gets relived.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Later, we`re going to talk to a stalking survivor who is living a real nightmare. She says her husband made her a domestic slave and then framed her for murder. Her unbelievable story, just minutes away.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: With this wound of the heart, he should have been able to get his hands up and attempted to defend himself.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s this right here?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Blatant print 169-a was individualized as the left palm of Jodi Ann Arias.

RYAN BURNS, WITNESS: She got on top of me pretty aggressively and we were kissing. Complimented her on being very feisty. She`s a lot stronger than she looks. She had two small bandages.



ARIAS: If I`m found guilty, I don`t know how I -- I`m not guilty. I didn`t hurt Travis. If I hurt Travis, if I killed Travis, I would beg for the death penalty.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: And a stunner in court today. There is Jodi Arias, shielding her face and crying, because the entire courtroom is looking at triple-X-rated photos. Triple-X-rated photos of her as she is holding her face.

As somebody said, wow, it`s almost worse than being accused of murder to have -- not really, but you know, imagine, just imagine the intense humiliation of that.

Now, do we have Selin Darkalstanian, our senior producer?

Selin, you were inside the courtroom. Tell us the reaction: Jodi Arias, Jodi Arias`s mother, who was there. The Travis family, tell us.

SELIN DARKALSTANIAN, HLN PRODUCER: When the photos were being shown, the actually very pornographic photos were being shown, the entire courtroom was silent. I can tell you the reaction of jury. There was not one juror who was not paying attention to those photos, sitting forward, taking notes, very into -- you know, into what was happening in the courtroom.

And there were two points in the courtroom today that I could -- you could hear a pin drop in the courthouse, and it was when those photos of Jodi were being shown, and it was when the audiotapes of her interrogation were being played. I mean, they had the entire courtroom listening to every single word that was being said.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Selin, just jumping in to say this is Jodi Arias`s mother, and we see her showing emotion for the very first time in court today.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tell us about that. When...



DARKALSTANIAN: Ever since this trial has started her mom has been there every single day, sitting in court, supporting Jodi, right behind her. But we have not seen any emotion from her. We have not seen any emotion when they showed autopsy photos of Travis, when they showed really horrific, bloody crime scene photos. We have not seen her, like, wince sitting in court.

But today for the first time we saw her crying. We saw her show emotion. And this is very different from how she`s been every other day sitting in court.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, Jordan Rose, attorney out of Phoenix, Reidy Sadler (ph), another attorney, says this is going to be a great day for the defense because, oh, it shows that she was sexually humiliated. And the male jury will respond by having sympathy for her and believing her tale that maybe this was part of an abusive situation. You -- what do you say?

JORDAN ROSE, ATTORNEY: Well, she has to show that -- it`s not enough to say that she`s got battered women`s syndrome or she`s been abused. It has to be that the abuse caused her to have to react to a life-threatening situation right then and there.

And so far I think the defense has only shown that Travis is a flirt. And the jury really picked up on that. I mean, they asked a lot of questions about that the other day.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m talking about these photos. Jordan, these photos.

ROSE: The photos are absolutely salacious, very helpful for -- very helpful for the state. And just goes to show just what she has been painted as, which is, you know, at best, promiscuous, at worst a slut, and certainly a woman who is after young Mormon boys. Her M.O. seems to be to go find these boys, and corrupt them with premarital sex, even talking about the city of Mesa, which in Arizona has a very heavy population of Mormon folks, as you know, the place to be for this sort of activity.

The photos are wonderful for the state. And it was a great day for the state.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, Reidy Sadler (ph), quickly, your response to that?

SADLER (ph): I couldn`t agree -- I couldn`t disagree more, I should say. First of all, the photos corroborate the sexual deviance theory that the defense put out there. They also corroborate the dual life. The outgoing Travis to, you know, his personal life. Out there to people in his profession, and then the private life which was completely different.

So I think again, perfect day for the defense to set up their defense of battered women`s syndrome.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, will these sexually explicit photos shown in court today change the trial? Much more on that. And in just a couple of minutes, we`re going to talk to one of Travis Alexander`s former roommates, and he has a story to tell.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Knowing Jodi as I do, she`s going to be very strong. But she also has her emotions as anybody else, so she will have those moments, of course, where people have seen her cry. Have seen her show her emotions. And...




UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you ever shot that .25 auto?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You ever touched it?

ARIAS: The one that was stolen? I`ve never seen it. Gram said it looked like (UNINTELLIGIBLE). I don`t know what a .25 looks like.



Whoa -- along with the extraordinary crime scene photos and the photos that we saw that are salacious in nature a second ago, there was also played in court this extraordinary interrogation video, where Jodi lies, lies, lies. "I`ve never seen a .25 caliber gun." She just said it there. Well, as she later admitted when the evidence against her became overwhelming, that she indeed shot Travis Alexander with a .25 caliber gun.

Now I have to say, and I`m going to go back to Jordan Rose on this. The litany of lies that we hear on this interrogation tape is so extraordinary, but remember, it`s not just lying that the prosecution has to convince her of -- convict her of. It`s also murder. And there`s a big difference, as we learned in the Casey Anthony case, between being a pathological liar and being a murderer. So could the prosecution be making a mistake, now, that we all agree that, yes, she killed him, by focusing in so much on her lies?

ROSE: Well, you know the photos definitely help to show that she is leading, at best, a double life. And with the interviews today coupled with all of that testimony from her -- you know, from her just lying constantly, it shows that you know, she -- she is -- she`s a compulsive liar.

I mean, you`ve got some of the things today coupled with the idea that she -- she had communication with Travis`s sister, asking him -- asking her if he was OK after she knew that she had killed him.

This woman just starts to -- you know asking questions about, talking about how the -- you know, no jury will convict me. And this is a heinous crime, a stabbing like that would be heinous. She`s constantly talking, saying too much. And that is not helpful to the defense, self-defense claim.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, it`s almost like she`s used to being able to manipulate men with her little -- soft little voice and talking like this. And it`s not working with these cops. We`re going to play more in a second of their extraordinary interrogation of her, where they just close in with the evidence. And she is just backed into a corner.

Let`s go to the phone lines. Christina, North Carolina, your question or thought? Christine?

CALLER: Yes, Jane. The way I always greet you, I love you and Rico, and God bless your mother.


CALLER: Listen, the first thing I want to -- I want to say to you, I`ve been thinking about this. I talked to you about the blood spatter the other night. I`m curious if, because he was cleaned off so well. And I know that she was full of blood. I wonder if she got in the shower with him, even though he was dead, to clean herself off. And he got cleaned up in the midst of it. And when she got out of the shower...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jean Casarez -- Jean Casarez, you`ve been studying this case. What`s extraordinary is not only does she first have sex with him and then photograph him in the shower. We`ve also got those other photos of her, photographing him in the shower literally moments before he`s killed. We`re going to show you those photos. But then she washes him off, and she does a very bad job at cleaning up the crime scene. Tell us about that.

JEAN CASAREZ: That`s right, and so prosecutors said in their opening statement that it was staged. And you see where there`s been so much water on the floor, that like, it permeates into the box of copy paper that is in the closet.

But whether she washed herself off in the shower, there`s only one person that knows that. And if Jodi Arias takes the stand, she will be asked those questions.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Fascinating theories of photos. You are seeing a man moments before he is killed. And these are some of the photos that were taken by Jodi of him, naked in the shower. Look what a handsome man he is, and he was literally stabbed 29 times, shot in the forehead. And his throat was slit moments after these photos were taken.

It`s unbelievable. It`s extraordinary. And some inadvertent photos, prosecutors say, of the killing itself, as she stepped on the camera, during the act of killing. More on the other side.


BURNS: And she looks -- she eventually kind of grabbed me and -- adjusted me a little bit.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you form an opinion as to her strength?

BURNS: Yes, she`s strong.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I believe the wounds, on the hands must have occurred before the fatal injuries, either on the head or throat.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you notice her hands?

BURNS: She had two small bandages, it seems like, on one of her fingers.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We were just playing games here. That gun was in your possession.

I was trying to get the truth from Miss Arias.

You do have the right to remain silent. And anything you say may be used against you in a court of law.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is the palm of the left hand, with this wound to the heart he should have been able to get his hands up in time to defend himself.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have the right to the presence of an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, you have the right to have an attorney appointed for you. Do you understand these rights?



VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you just saw some gruesome crime scene photos - - evidence photos of Travis Alexander`s mutilated body today -- extraordinary photos in court of Travis and Jodi naked in the hours right before she by her own admission killed him. As we show you those photographs that were shown in court. This was him in the shower but we also have of photos of them naked in bed.

As we show you these photographs we`re going to go to Jean Casarez for a wrap-up on what happened in court today and the reaction to these photos -- Jean.

JEAN CASAREZ, CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": You know, when I was in the courtroom and I saw some of the photos, first of all the sister of Travis Alexander, she was dabbing her eyes, she was crying. She left the courtroom and came back in.

The jury obviously focused. The jury looked so conservative as they are sitting in their seats right there. But it is the time line of these photos that are important. It doesn`t need -- they don`t need to establish that Jodi was there. She is admitting it.

But Jane, it is really the combination of these photos and the time line and the fact that there is a gun and there is a knife very, very close at hand.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, the idea that somebody could go from being sexy to being a rageful killer, or as she argues, self defense killer. However you put it, he was stabbed 29 times, his throat was slit, and he was stabbed in the forehead.

Not only did we get new insight into Jodi`s arrest today from the videotaped interrogation -- we`re going to show you more clips of that. But we also got our hands on the incident report where several police officers say they believe Jodi was getting ready to flee, to run.

The report says right before they arrested her, Jodi was packing up her car. And in that Chevy Cobo (ph), they found luggage, a gun, two knives and a box of bullets. The gun however was a 9-mm not the same kind of gun that was used to kill Travis Alexander.

Now, Shana Alexander -- Shanna Hogan, you`re writing a book on this case "Picture Perfect", and you`ve gotten ahold of this 500-plus page police report that everybody wants to see, but nobody else has, to my knowledge or few have. What are some of the biggest shockers that you have discovered in there?

SHANNA HOGAN, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Well the -- what was happening on the day of the arrest certainly was; the fact that she attempting to flee or at least packing boxes, giving the police the impression that she was attempting to flee. You know there`s a lot in there. That`s the one that kind of comes to my head. I would have to kind of give it a look to think of some other things.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, but it is pretty amazing that you got ahold of this and you have been going through it line by line. And it shows you just how hard the prosecution is working that they came up with a 550-page police report. Prosecutors played more of that crucial video between Jodi and Detective Flores. And Jodi -- and she was adamant. She was absolutely adamant that she had absolutely nothing to do with Travis Alexander`s killing, even though detectives have tons of evidence that they kind of reveal slowly that hey, we`ve got you, we`ve got you. We know you were there. Listen to this exchange.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you even at Travis`s house?

ARIAS: Absolutely not, I was nowhere near Mesa. I was nowhere near Phoenix.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What if I could show you proof you were there?

ARIAS: Well --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Would that change your mind?

ARIAS: I wasn`t there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You need to be honest with me, Jodi.

ARIAS: I was not at Travis`s house, I was not.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You were at Travis`s house, you guys had a sexual encounter, which -- there are pictures. And I know you know there are pictures because I have them. I will show them to you. Ok?


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jodi -- Dr. Robi Ludwig, psychotherapist. I`ve been saying the words "Jodi" and "Alexander" so much I`m calling everybody --


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Dr. Robi Ludwig, you`re seeing a theme in the litany of lies that she tells with absolute aplomb. I mean --

LUDWIG: I mean, there is a common theme.


LUDWIG: Self-preservation. Her life is on the line when the police are interrogating her. "Were you there?" "I was nowhere near the house, nowhere near it."

She was preserving herself, and I think the same thing happened when it came to her relationship with Travis. Something happened between the two of them where she felt emotionally annihilated. And she retaliated.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I think it is absolutely fascinating. And the irony is that if this woman had used that ability to lie to good purpose, she could have become a top Hollywood actress, instead she might be put to death.

LUDWIG: I think she was trying to be a singer in prison --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, right. Exactly.

Ludwig: Yes. It`s a little too late.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to go out to our very, very special guest, Brint Hiatt. And this is an exclusive interview, Travis Alexander`s former roommate. We thank you so much for joining us Brint. Let`s cut right to the extraordinary story you have to tell about -- we`ve just been playing a tape of Jodi lying through her teeth. We know because she`s admitted that she killed him and we`re just all astounded in how effectively and how convincingly she lies.

She called you the very day or the night that Travis Alexander, your dear friend`s body was found. Tell us about the conversation.

BRINT HIATT, TRAVIS ALEXANDER`S FORMER ROOMMATE: Well, it was -- I guess you could say it was interesting. I mean, at the time we -- all of us, well, I was one of the ones that kind of broke the news to a lot of the people. And so everyone was asking, and she was kind of a common one. She actually called me a couple of times, you know, several times left me voice mail messages. And you know, she sounded really frantic on the phone.

I showed the voice mail messages to detectives. They advised me not to answer. At the end of the night I did talk to her. And I did -- I just felt I would be -- I would feel like a horrible person if it came out that it wasn`t her and that I was denying her the information, you know that her -- well that her former boyfriend was dead. So it was an interesting experience.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Was she (inaudible) you for information -- the conversation you had, what was her affect? Did she sound like she knew what had happened? Now that you look back in retrospect --

HIATT: No, no.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: -- knowing that she`s the one who by her own admission killed him. Go ahead.

HIATT: It`s hard to -- it`s a kind of a tough pill to swallow because at the time she sounded very innocent. I was definitely torn. I was told that she was a suspect, but she sounded -- it didn`t sound like she had done it. She sounded very, you know kind of shocked that anything might have happened.

She wanted to know if everything was ok, if he was ok. She also wanted to know why no one was speaking to her and letting her know what was going on. So I guess I was the first one she got through to. But I was actually surprised that she even had my number to be honest. I must have given it to her at some point in the past. But it was just kind of a shock to be getting her calls.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, and just briefly, we hear her putting on her little innocent act with the detectives who are not buying it. But did you get the sense that she felt like with men she had a way and that she could kind of manipulate them any which way she wanted, like by calling you. She could get you to give her the information she wanted by using that seductive little voice, which I`ve never been able to use so that was a bad imitation.

HIATT: Well, she definitely used emotion to her advantage. I guess I could say that. And she sounded really distraught and really distressed, and I bought. Not that I necessarily believed or just believed, but I wanted to let the, you know, evidence come out. I didn`t want to make judgments at the time.

You know, I didn`t want to be the first one to crucify her, I guess. But at the same time from everything that I had been hearing, yes, I suppose that you could make that case. It was a different side of her that I hadn`t seen.

To be honest, at the time all I knew of her, she was really shy, introverted -- I mean she had come to my family`s house for dinner with Travis once or twice and that was -- you know she had still been shy. She didn`t really come out of her shell as much so to hear that much emotion was different for me.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Brint thank you and hang on there. We`re going to take a brief break and be back with you and we have callers, we have our team of experts and what an extraordinary day in court.

More on the other side.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jury members seeing e-mails in which Mr. Alexander referred to Miss Arias as a quote, (EXPLETIVE DELETED) wonder".

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection -- hearsay.






VELEZ-MITCHELL: You won`t want to miss our exclusive guest right her on this show at 7:00 p.m. tomorrow. We`re going to talk to the man who introduced Jodi Arias to Travis Alexander. What does he have to say about their explosive relationship?

That is tomorrow 7:00 p.m. Eastern right here on HLN.



ARIAS: I guess that`s really all he needed. Sorry, don`t roll the tape yet.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: What an extraordinary day in court. There is -- Jodi -- Jodi Arias, Jodi Arias behind bars doing all sorts TV interviews. Look at her. She thinks she`s a movie star. Well now, she`s seeing the downside of this cheap road to fame as she cringes in court as triple x- rated photos of her are shown in court.

You can literally see her going like this, because the humiliation of having these graphic -- there she is -- the graphic shots that we can`t show you in court before essentially the world. We did get some of them that we brought you. It has to be the utmost humiliation.

Let`s go out to the phone lines -- Jackie, Michigan your question or thought -- Jackie, Michigan.

JACKIE, MICHIGAN (via telephone): Yes, hi, Jane, thank you for having me. The question I have is every high-end camera has an auto timer. And you can change the date and time, unlike a camera phone. How does anyone know that she didn`t have those photos taken on an auto timer, and that he took them?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, that is an excellent question. And I want to go to Jean Casarez on that. You`re there, covering this trial and you have covered many trials. And I remember a case actually -- it was not actually a criminal trial but I remember a case in Los Angeles, where everybody thought that something had happened.

I think it was the O.J. Simpson case at one time. But it turned out that the person who owned the camera had not set the date properly or the time properly and it turned out that it was wrong that the evidence was irrelevant, because it was not that particular day.

CASAREZ: It doesn`t look like the defense is going to go that way because in their opening statement they really seem to admit to the photos but talk about that what looks like is an attack and it is an attack, and he is attacking her. And that is what the photos are going to show.

But her initial question, what was the initial question, because I had a thought for that, your caller?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, she said essentially, how do they know that it is the right date and time? We`re having all these photos shown that actually documents the exact second that he was killed based on the previous photo, and then the inadvertent photos that were taken during the killing --

CASAREZ: It is the auto timer.


CASAREZ: The auto timer. She was talking about the auto timer. You know what is interesting, all of these photos we see of the two of them, they`re out and about and traveling, who took those pictures? I think there had to have been an auto timer that took the pictures. Now, we can`t confirm it`s the same camera but I think that the auto timer would be something that a budding photographer like she said she was and loved, would do.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: More on the other side.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Has he been threatened by anyone recently?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, he has. He has an ex-girlfriend that`s been bothering him.

MARIE HALL, FRIEND OF JODI ARIAS: She had followed us on the first date that we went on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have heard stories of her watching them sleep or I`ve heard stories of her watching through windows or doorways.



VELEZ-MITCHELL: The ultimate humiliation. Jodi Arias, the defendant, hiding her face in court as triple x-rated photos of her, gynecological photos are shown in court. How will they impact the trial? We have been debating that all of this evening. Next, a stalking victim.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You reported a gun stolen, .25 auto. It just happens to be the same caliber as the weapon used to kill him.

ARIAS: A .25 auto was used to kill him?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. Along with multiple stab wounds.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: There she is, lying again caught on tape during her police interrogation. Wow, an extraordinary day in court and a lot of her behavior according to friends and family of the victim was stalking behavior.

Tonight we have a stalking survivor with us. Katerina Brunot, thank you so much for joining us. You are from Russia. You met an American tourist. You thought, well, this is love. You moved to America with this man. You say that he instantly turned knew a, quote/unquote, "domestic slave", forcing you into unwanted sex, cooking, cleaning, and then proceeds to stalk you.

Give us some of the stalking behaviors that this man exhibited because stalking is a big part of this case.



BRUNOT: I`ve been stalked for about three years. I tried to get away from him. He immediately started -- first of all, when I was in (inaudible), the woman`s battered shelter, he was stalking me. I constantly see his truck going back and forth. And when I moved out from the shelter, my car brakes were cut and water was poured in the gas tank. Then certainly I received numerous threatening phone calls and then my mail was forwarded to different states and so on.

So that was that. And simply just seeing him --


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me jump in. Katerina, when you see this case where Travis Alexander`s tires were slashed, where a girlfriend he dated got a threatening e-mail. It`s very, very similar, is it not?

BRUNOT: Yes, certainly. Very similar.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Dr. Robi Ludwig, stalkers, they don`t re-invent the wheel. They do the same thing pretty much.

LUDWIG: Right. They have a hard time having intimate relationships in a traditional way. And so when they feel rejected, their way is to be close to the person but they do it in unhealthy ways.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Brint Hiatt, Travis Alexander`s former roommate. This is what happened with Travis. He was afraid.

HIATT: Yes. Yes, that`s true. It`s kind of, I guess, common knowledge among some of his friends. He talked about it with a few of us.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And what did he say?

HIATT: Yes. Well, just all this stuff that you mentioned that has been happening. He`s just been worried about it. Some of it he was annoyed. I know that -- I know that he`s like spoken around with members of my family as well where he actually mentioned that he was worried that he might end up dead. He actually said that to my father, for example. I think my dad did an interview last night or something but he mentioned that. Yes, he was scared.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And if we could only have looked at what happened and done something in that crucial moment, but it`s always easy to look back and think of, oh, here is what we could have done. Not so easy to predict the future.

More on the other side.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She is the one who did the stabbing. She`s the one that slit his throat. And she`s the one that shot him.




UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- tell us that they think you were absolutely obsessed. Obsessed is the word that they used. That`s the word I hear from everybody, fatal attraction. I don`t know how many times I`ve heard that.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Shanna Hogan, journalist who`s writing a book on this case called "Picture Perfect", you obtained the 500-plus page police report. Tell us what some of the most significant things you found in there are.

HOGAN: Well, the day of her arrest, her grandfather actually went to her place of employment and brought home her paycheck stub and said, look, look at this. She was working at the time and obviously the last date was May 31st so that wasn`t true.

One other thing, I have a camera here and to demonstrate, to clarify how these photos were taken. The first photos of him and her are taken straight on and there are some at a lower angle. And here is what the prosecution thinks happened, the camera was dropped, it takes a picture of the ceiling and then it was turned over. The last two photos are taken upside down and they think that stepped on the camera twice and that`s what caused those last two photos that were blurry and taken upside down to be taken. I wanted to point that out.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let`s take another look at one of the quote/unquote, "inadvertent photos" the prosecution say captured the killer in the act. This is a first that a camera would be in a private home catching a murder on camera -- prosecutors say it`s murder. And prosecutors say caught Jodi murdering Travis because she accidentally clicked it as you just heard from Shanna Hogan.

Here is the photo. Let`s show it. Now when you look at this photo, you see a white stripe on the left side. According to police Jodi was swearing sweatpants with a stripe on the leg, so that would be her standing there over his dead body and you can see that it`s a bloodstained scene. How extraordinary that that photo is an inadvertent photo, prosecutors say, of the murder itself.

Nancy next.