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Lance Armstrong's Doping Confession; Hostage Crisis in Algeria; Obama's Push for Gun Law Reform; Analysis of Second-Term Presidents; Sundance Film Festival; Eat Like a Local: Seoul, South Korea
Aired January 19, 2013 - 08:00 ET
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RANDI KAYE, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, everyone and welcome to this special edition of CNN SATURDAY MORNING. It is Saturday, January 19th. I'm Randi Kaye, coming to you live this morning from the National Mall as we gear up for the 57th presidential inauguration.
All morning, our CNN Political Team will be bringing you the very latest on all the preparations for the big day, happening on Monday, of course and the biggest challenges facing President Obama in his second term.
First, let me say good morning once again and bring in my colleague, Victor Blackwell who is in Atlanta. Victor, I know you have some of the latest on some of other major news outside the beltway, of course.
VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: Absolutely, had to get settled back into my seat after the workout this morning.
Let's go to this big story a lot of people have been talking about for the past two days. He confessed to Oprah Winfrey in an exclusive two- part interview, but the U.S. anti-doping agency still wants Lance Armstrong to come clean under oath.
In a frank and really revealing interview, Armstrong told Miss Winfrey about the years of systematic drug use on the U.S. Postal Service cycling team but he continued to deny claims he made, made rather by former teammates that he forced members of the team to dope.
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LANCE ARMSTRONG, FORMER PROFESSIONAL CYCLIST: I was the leader of the team. I wasn't the manager, general manager, the director, the --
OPRAH WINFREY, TV TALK SHOW HOST: But if someone was not doing something to your satisfaction, could you get them fired?
ARMSTRONG: It depends what they're doing. If you're asking me somebody on the team says I'm not going to dope.
ARMSTRONG: And I say you're fired?
ARMSTRONG: Absolutely not.
WINFREY: Could you --
ARMSTRONG: Could I? I guess I could have, but I never did.
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BLACKWELL: Ed Lavandera is in Armstrong's hometown of Austin, Texas.
And Ed, we talked a lot about Armstrong, but I want to focus now on those teammates and a lot of the people who testified to USADA talked about what they called the code of silence. We're showing viewers a video of Lance Armstrong making zipped lips motions on the tour in 2004. That's what a lot of people believe that's in reference to just keeping quiet.
What's been the response from his former teammates to this confession?
ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Many of those former teammates I think are still struggling to make sense of the two-part interview and trying to come to terms with everything that Lance said because this is one of those areas of the interview where there's still a great deal of controversy and disagreement over it.
And, remember, 11 former teammates that had come forward and testified in that United States anti-doping agency report that was released about four months ago. So we're not just talking about one or two teammates who have - many of which have said that Lance Armstrong set the tone. And it was the expectation that many of them, if they were to consider to be the top riders on his team, that they would be expected and required to use the performance-enhancing drugs.
We heard from one of his former teammates earlier this week.
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PAUL WILLERTON, FORMER ARMSTRONG TEAMMATE: A lot of us tried to tell this story to the world more than a decade ago. And the ones who did just got annihilated by Lance Armstrong.
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LAVANDERA: You know, Victor, that kind of speaks to what exactly -- one of the major reasons why this interview has garnered so much attention this week. It wasn't just simply that Lance Armstrong denied using performance-enhancing drugs for so long. It was the manner in which he went after many of the people who, in many cases, didn't necessarily didn't want to come forward but were compelled to come forward because they had been subpoenaed and forced to testify under oath.
That's how a lot of this started coming to light. Lance Armstrong vigorously attacked those people over the years. That is what has been the hardest for many people to accept and don't necessarily buy into the fact that Lance Armstrong is fully contrite and apologetic over what he has done. BLACKWELL: And what about the people he sued? Not just the people who came forward and made the claims that we all now know are true, what is he saying about that?
LAVANDERA: In one case, especially about the case about Emma O'Reilly (ph) who was team masseuse, who had in many cases made drug runs across Europe, inter-country drug runs in one case driving an 18-hour round trip between Spain and France to pick up performance-enhancing drugs.
Many of these people were sued and Lance Armstrong almost appeared to not be able to remember just how many people his team had sued over the years. But he says it was really all a design to be able to keep control of his personal narrative.
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ARMSTRONG: I was used to controlling everything in my life. I controlled every outcome in my life.
WINFREY: You've been doing that forever?
ARMSTRONG: Yes, especially when it comes to sport. But the last thing I'll say is that now the story is so bad and so toxic. And a lot of it is true.
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LAVANDERA: You know, Victor, what's interesting Oprah ended the interview by asking Lance Armstrong if he will rise again and Lance Armstrong just simply said, I don't know. I don't know what's out there.
BLACKWELL: Ed Lavandera in Austin, Texas, for us. We will see if Lance Armstrong indeed will rise again. Thank you.
This was a really atypical week because there was another big sports story that had nothing to do with a game, nothing to do with competition. It's this Manti Te'o story and this fake girlfriend. Te'o spoke with ESPN last night. It's his first interview since the story broke. Now he says he was duped and had no part in the hoax. He also says he has no real idea why he was targeted so we'll see what happens with that.
Let's go back to Washington now where our Randi Kaye is at the National Mall. Hopefully now it's starting to warm up now that the sun is up, 8:06 there in DC.
KAYE: Oh, yes. Sun's coming up. The sun is up. We have a nice, big heater. It's about the size of a small car to my left over here. So that certainly helps. They're taking good care of us here on the set at CNN.
But even as Washington prepares for President Obama's inauguration, it's also vowing to do everything necessary to protect Americans in a harrowing hostage crisis that is unfolding in Algeria. Let's go live to CNN's Dan Rivers. He's in London to bring us the very latest this morning.
Dan, good morning to you. Algeria is defending a military rescue operation that now has left at least one American and 11 others dead. What can you tell us about that?
DAN RIVERS, SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely. This situation is not over yet. I think that is the headline. They're saying they're still pursuing terrorists and some hostages within this sprawling gas plant in the far south of Algeria. As you say, the State Department has confirmed one death. It's been widely reported he is (INAUDIBLE) from Texas and we have no further details about him. The State Department not going into any details about how many other Americans may still be missing.
We're waiting also for an update here in London from the British foreign secretary William Hague. He's been chairing an emergency meeting about this. Algerian state television is reporting that the terrorists were planning to kill all of the hostages and to blow up this plant. So, it could have been a lot worse, had they managed to get through that. In the end the Algerians went in, they freed some 650 people but there are still some 30 western hostages missing.
KAYE: Do we know where those who have escaped or have been freed, where they have been taken to?
RIVERS: Some have come through London on specially chartered planes. A number of Norwegians have also been freed. They've come back through London to Norway, to Bergen, where the Stat (ph) oil headquarters is based, the Norwegian company that's involved in this plant. The U.S. also has had a C-130 that flew 12 people out who were wounded but none of those are Americans.
There is a huge international effort going on to try and get these people out and to help. They're not being given much access to the plant itself down in the far south simply because this is still a live military operation with Algerian special forces still searching this sprawling gas plant to try and find the remaining hostages and the remaining terrorists.
KAYE: And what more can you tell us about those plastic explosives that were strapped to some of these survivors?
RIVERS: This guy, Stephen McFaul, who was an Irish citizen who escaped, he had an amazing escape. He said he had plastic explosives strapped to him, sort of around his neck. He was bound and gagged with explosives around his neck, bundled into one of five cars or trucks that tried to then make a run for it with the terrorists.
Four of the trucks were blown up by the Algerian special forces from helicopters. One survived and rolled over. He was in the one that wasn't hit and somehow managed to get out unhurt.
You can imagine just the terror that these people have gone through, the incredible ordeal that they've gone through in the past four days.
KAYE: Yes. It is incredible and it's not over yet, as you said. Dan Rivers, thank you very much for the update from London for us this morning.
Meanwhile, back here at home, we are setting the stage for the second term. The president has already put one issue front and center and that is guns. But how much pressure is he ready to apply to get those new gun laws and gun reform into place? We'll talk about that with political expert Ron Brownstein.
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PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY, 35TH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country.
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KAYE: Hundreds of thousands of people are starting to descend on Washington for President Obama's second inauguration. But this morning we are looking past the oath of office to the next four years, the issues, the plans and the prospects.
Joining me now is Ron Brownstein, CNN senior political analyst and editorial director for the "National Journal." Good morning to you. Do you like our set?
RON BROWNSTEIN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Fabulous.
KAYE: Pretty nice, huh?
BROWNSTEIN: Great to be here, little bit of history.
KAYE: Not too shabby. Let's talk about the big issue certainly has been for the last few weeks, guns.
KAYE: Will the president do you think keep up the pressure if Congress is slow to react or maybe even brushes off the first few attempts at some new legislation?
BROWNSTEIN: Yes I think he will. I think there's political incentive for him to move forward. But the broader point, second terms have often been pretty tough for presidents. We've had a couple of presidents impeached in their second term. We had the Iran-contra scandal in the second term. We had Franklin Roosevelt's court packing disaster in the second term.
So as you wonder, halfway through they wonder why they bothered to get re-elected but I think President Obama is in a position to put pressure on the Congress and move forward on some of his agenda because the nature of the way he won. He demonstrated that there is now at the presidential level a pretty reliable consistent majority coalition that Democrats have.
And there's incentive for Republicans to try to shake up this electoral alignment. They've lost the popular vote five out of the last six presidential elections. And I think that gives him some leverage on several issues, guns to some extent, immigration even more so.
KAYE: And certainly we've seen a change in the president in the last few weeks. Is this something that we can expect in the second term, do you think, overall, a more aggressive President Obama?
BROWNSTEIN: I think clearly. Look what happened here. Again, I go back to the election. Democrats have often been constrained on some of these issues. Guns is a perfect issue. We went for over a decade where Democrats really didn't talk about the issue, largely by the fear of losing culturally conservative white voters, blue collar voters, rural voters, older white voters.
The president lost all of those voters. He did badly with all of them and he still won and he won 332 electoral college votes. And I think you can see as you look across the agenda on a number of these issues, whether it was gay marriage and the dream act last year or the contraception play and now guns, immigration this year, there's a certain sense of liberation that comes from having a coalition behind him that's more in tune with what he wants to do and is not as dependent as Democrats used to be on voters that are somewhere distant with some of the things they want to do.
KAYE: He has a little extra spring in his step.
BROWNSTEIN: He does, absolutely. He feels that he has the Republicans back on their heels. Overreach is a common risk of presidents in their second term. Of course the classic example is Franklin Roosevelt wins the giant reelection, 1936, tries to change the Supreme Court. It all comes tumbling down.
The president has to be conscious of that. But what they see is the opportunity to try to divide Republicans between those who believe the party has to realign itself, to try to rebuild a national majority and those that are locked into a staunchly conservative view.
KAYE: What about the first term, health care certainly defining issue in the first term. But even with the Supreme Court's decision, would you expect that it will still play a large role in the second term?
BROWNSTEIN: It's absolutely critical for him to be able to make this work. His reelection means that Republicans in Congress are not going to be able to repeal it.
KAYE: And next year is when we really start to feel the impact.
BROWNSTEIN: Absolutely. He is still in really hand-to-hand combat with Republican governors in particular over implementing it. A number of Republican governors have refused to set up the exchanges that are required, the private sector and also to join the expansion of Medicaid which is the public component of the expansion of coverage. And obviously there are lots of challenges in moving 30 million more people into an insurance-based system. So that could mean enormous implementation challenges and enormous political challenges in this ongoing struggle with the states.
KAYE: I know you touched on it. What would you say the real difference is between a first term and second term for a president?
BROWNSTEIN: In the second term I think, first of all, you're not worrying about reelection. You saw that, for example, in the debt ceiling fight. In the first debt ceiling fight in 2011, the president could not go to the brink, because he was worried that if they went over the brink --
BROWNSTEIN: -- economic downturn, you don't win. Now you can take a harder line. On the other hand in a second term, there's often the sense that you have a narrow window on domestic issues with Congress, probably about a year, maybe two at the most to get things done and then your attention usually turns more to foreign policy.
But the biggest thing is that 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is kind of a dangerous neighborhood. If you hang around there long enough, the odds start going against you. As I said, often the second term has been very tough for presidents. We'll see if this one can avoid that precedent.
KAYE: Never heard it described that way, dangerous neighborhood, dangerous territory.
KAYE: Ron Brownstein, nice to see you this morning. Thank you very much.
Next hour, what are we missing? Is there an issue that no one is talking about now that will define the president's second term? We'll explore the possibilities. Victor?
BLACKWELL: All right. Some of the drama at this year's Sundance film festival is political. We'll talk with the stars of a couple documentaries that come straight out of the history books.
First I want to take you to a really beautiful place, the foothills of the Sierra Nevada mountains in California. Artists there are working with doctors and scientists to create some mind-blowing products.
CNN's Gary Tuchman has more in this week's "Start Small, Think Big."
GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): These skilled glassblowers are creating anatomically precise models of the human heart, brain and vascular system. Not just for display, but for study.
WADE MARTINDALE, FARLOW'S SCIENTIFIC GLASSBLOWING: It is science. And it's art.
TUCHMAN: Cardiologists use the models to simulate blood flow. Medical students use them for practice and medical manufacturers can test the latest products.
MARTINDALE: Our models can be anywhere from a couple hundred dollars all the way up to our full man model that we currently make and that can go up to $25,000.
TUCHMAN: The company's founder, Gary Farlow, started making glass toys and trinkets more than 30 years ago in the San Francisco bay area. His skill and big ideas turned into a game changing idea.
MARTINDALE: The aha moment was when he found out that he could turn typically a metal part that was made in the medical industry into glass and he can produce it for way cheaper than anyone else.
TUCHMAN: Farlow passed away last year but his legacy as an artist and entrepreneur lives on.
MARTINDALE: We make something that's beautiful. It's art. It's hand crafted. And it's actually used for something that could potentially save someone's life. That makes me feel good that I'm involved in helping people.
BLACKWELL: The stars have arrived in parts of Utah for this year's Sundance film festival. We've seen a lot of stars, Daniel Radcliffe, Nicole Kidman, Jennifer Hudson and of course Robert Redford. He founded the Sundance film festival a few decades ago. But a few political players are also there in Park City, enjoying the snow.
Our entertainment correspondent Nischelle Turner caught up two of them.
NISCHELLE TURNER, CNN ENTERTAINMENT CORRESPONDENT: Hey there Victor, greetings from beautiful Park City. My day today here at the Sundance film festival was full of political power players. Yes, indeed. I sat down with both Anita Hill and former New Jersey Governor Jim McGreevey to talk about the two documentaries that they have premiering here at the festival.
So first, let's start with Anita Hill. It's been 20 years, if you can believe it, that she testified that Clarence Thomas sexually harassed her in the workplace. When I talked to her, she told me that she had no intention of ever becoming a champion for women's rights.
Listen to this.
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TURNER: Did you think you were going to be making a statement and kind of the first big statement that a woman made about sexual harassment in the workplace?
ANITA HILL, PROFESSOR OF SOCIAL POLICY, LAW, AND WOMEN'S STUDIES, BRANDEIS UNIVERSITY: Absolutely not. It wasn't my desire to talk about sexual harassment or to expose it as the critical issue it is. My desire was to give testimony about the competency of Clarence Thomas to be on the Supreme Court.
And there had been all this testimony, what reflects whether or not he's going to be a good justice and whether or not he's going to be fair and impartial. And my testimony was really related to that in a very profound way. So, you know, it was almost like unintended consequences that the issue of sexual harassment was exposed.
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TURNER: I also asked Anita Hill if she had forgiven Justice Thomas for everything that happened. She said at this point it's not about forgiveness for her. It's about learning lessons and moving on.
So let's move on to former New Jersey Governor Jim McGreevey. Now when we talked about his documentary, we went through a lot of topics and he told me when he made his announcement in 2004 that he was, in fact, a gay American, he said that he went through a lot of emotions. There was a little bit of fear. There was some relief but there was also that issue of what am I going to do now because he had always craved the political spotlight.
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FMR. GOV. JIM MCGREEVEY, NEW JERSEY: After I stepped down, a dear friend of mine said, you know, this is a great opportunity. That was like the last thing that I needed to hear. But he said there aren't many people who are in their mid 40s that have a chance to do life differently. So you need to do whatever it is that your passion and your heart tells you you should do. And I always wanted to go to seminary and while at seminary, the dean of the seminary said Jim, I need you to go up to Harlem to work at a program for ex-offenders. That's where my heart completely broke open, seeing the pain, seeing the hope, seeing the possibility of transformation of these women and men.
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TURNER: I also asked Jim McGreevey about if he had made amends with his ex-wife, Dina, after their very public and messy divorce. He told me you know what, it's been nine years. We both moved on and the only thing we want is to raise an amazing daughter. Victor, back to you.
BLACKWELL: Politics will be the big focus as we move forward through 2013. Nischelle Turner, thank you.
Let's bring Randi Kaye back in. Nischelle looked pretty cold out there in Park City. She had the crown of fur there across her head. Are you staying warm?
KAYE: Yes. I don't need a parka here. I have a big giant heater next to me. I have gloves on and I have a heated blanket, Victor. I'm in good shape out here on the National Mall this morning, happy to be here for the show live this morning, preparing for President Obama's second inauguration. Lots of folks here. That certainly will test the elaborate security plan put in place. You just won't know which face in the crowd is watching you actually watch the event.
KAYE: Bottom of the hour now. Welcome back, everyone. I'm Randi Kaye, coming to you live from the National Mall here in Washington, D.C., this morning.
BLACKWELL: I'm Victor Blackwell at CNN Headquarters in Atlanta. Thanks for starting your morning with us. Here are some of the stories we're watching this morning.
The chance of a federal government default in the next few weeks has dropped significantly. That's thanks to House Republican leaders, who agreed to vote next week to extend the debt limit for three months.
This is a 180 from their earlier refusal to delay the debate. But there's a catch. Both the House and the Senate must pass a budget before the extension expires. And if they don't, guess what? Congress won't get paid.
Former New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin is facing some big legal trouble. He's been indicted on 21 federal charges of corruption, including bribery, money laundering, fraud and filing false tax returns. Nagin was Mayor of New Orleans during 2005's Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath. Prosecutors say he used his office for personal gain, accepted payoffs, free trips and thousands of dollars in bribes.
A quick look at some of the other stories in the news: the flu has killed nine more children in the past week. That makes 29 pediatric deaths this season. The number of elderly people hospitalized with flu-like illnesses is also spiking. That's according to the Centers for Disease Control. Thirty states now report high levels of the flu. That's six more than last week.
And for the first time, California is on the list. The season's flu vaccine is only about 62 percent effective. Not a high number, but experts say it's still the best option for staving off the flu.
KAYE: And welcome back to the National Mall. We've been getting a musical preview here on the mall this morning with bands galore.
There's music everywhere. Everyone is getting ready for the big party and the big inauguration on Monday. That includes, of course, on a more serious note, the Secret Service, police and the military.
CNN pentagon correspondent Chris Lawrence on 7th Street nearby, keeping an eye on security for us.
Chris, good morning to you. So how big of an operation is this? How many agencies are part of this security detail? CHRIS LAWRENCE, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: Randi, in all, probably more than 20 local, state, federal agencies involved to the tune of probably 10,000 to 15,000 police officers, National Guard troops and federal agents. It's all being run, though, by the Secret Service.
This has been designated a national sort of secure -- special security event. What that means is the Secret Service is the lead agency sort of taking charge of this.
There's going to be some closures. The Coast Guard is closing a stretch of the Potomac River starting tomorrow. Some of the airspace around Washington will be closed off by the FAA on Monday.
But all in all, because the crowds will be so much smaller, you're not going to see exactly the same sort of security precautions that we saw just four years ago. The most -- the biggest change, I think, for the people who may be coming out for this is the fact that a lot of the bridges into the city will still be open.
They had to be shut down to allow the police, emergency responders and a lot of those tour buses to get through last time. This time, regular folks will be able to get in and use them just fine.
KAYE: Yes. And from what I understand, they'll also have some plainclothes police officers in the crowd as well, but a smaller crowd as you mentioned. How many people are they expecting this time around?
LAWRENCE: Yes. Last time, it was about -- estimates, 1.8 million. They had thought maybe 800,000 this time. But already that's getting revised down. Some of the folks we've talked to locally say it could be as few as 600,000, which is a tremendous drop from what we saw last time. And you can see it here, Randi; I'm sure where you are as well.
I was here last time and I remember I just moved to D.C. a few days before the inauguration, had friends sleeping on my floor in the apartment. You'd come out here on the Saturday, even two days before, wall to wall people on the mall, huge crowds everywhere. You just don't see that this time. You know, it just seems like it's early Saturday and a lot of folks haven't gotten out yet.
KAYE: Yes. No, you see a lot of folks just going for their morning -- their early morning Saturday run. That's about it.
KAYE: But on a more serious note, though, Chris, I mean, there aren't any credible threats, right, that security officials are watching or working on?
LAWRENCE: That's correct. We talked to some of the officials at some of the local federal agencies here just within the last few days and they say right now there are no credible security threats. There were no security incidents last time. And last time obviously they were dealing with a crowd of nearly 2 million people. This time so far, no threats. But I can tell you, if you are here, there are very few places anywhere near the mall where you are not being watched by some sort of camera. So, there are a lot of cameras. Whether you see them or not, someone's watching.
KAYE: That is good to know. Chris Lawrence, thank you very much. Appreciate your reporting this morning.
And time now to send it back to Victor in studio.
BLACKWELL: All right, Randi, thanks.
Lance Armstrong, the other big story we're watching this weekend, one of many.
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BLACKWELL (voice-over): He said that when his sponsors dropped him, he lost $75 million in one day. But after that stunning confession this week, could he lose his freedom? Our legal expert explains.
BLACKWELL: Let's talk about the legal implications of this stunning confession from former cycling great Lance Armstrong, that he doped for years and that not one of his seven Tour de France titles was a clean win.
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WINFREY: Take banned substances to enhance your cycling performance?
WINFREY: Yes or no, was one of those banned substances EPO?
WINFREY: Did you ever blood dope or use blood transfusions to enhance your cycling performance?
WINFREY: Did you ever use any other banned substances like testosterone, cortisone or human growth hormone?
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BLACKWELL: Well, let's start broad and bring in CNN legal contributor Paul Callan. I want to just kind of open this up wide.
How much legal trouble is Lance Armstrong facing as a result of this admission?
PAUL CALLAN, CNN LEGAL CONTRIBUTOR: Well, he is facing an avalanche of legal problems, Victor, most of them on the civil side. All of these companies that paid him millions of dollars to endorse their products now can turn around and try to get their money back on the grounds that they did it based on fraudulent assumptions.
He faces a huge lawsuit. It's called a whistleblower lawsuit because the U.S. Postal Team that participated in the Tour de France and was funded to the amount of $30 million, there's a lawsuit now saying that that money -- essentially, they were robbed of the value of the team because they were stripped of all of their awards because of Lance Armstrong's use of drugs and doping to obtain these victories. So he is facing a lot of legal problems.
BLACKWELL: This admission means he lied under oath. We've all seen that now infamous video of him in just the white shirt and the blue background and he said that he never doped. It's perjury there.
Could he face jail time or is there a statute of limitations protecting him?
CALLAN: Well, this was the most interesting part, I think, of the Oprah interview, how carefully crafted his admissions were. I mean, this is a confession that has got a statute of limitations in mind because when he said that under oath, that famous video that you're referring to, that was in 2005.
In Texas, the statute of limitations in Texas is three years. So, he's off the hook there. He can never be charged with perjury.
And he also says that he stopped using performance enhancing drugs and stopped doing blood doping, which -- you know, a lot of -- people don't really talk about too much what this doping means. But it's, of course, the use of human blood to increase oxygenation.
He did the blood doping, he said only up until 2005, although he raced well after that. That eliminates criminal liability. No statute of limitations. He has a statute of limitations defense there.
BLACKWELL: Now he did not do this by himself. There are managers, there are doctors, there are other people who maybe weren't involved or maybe they were, but they knew about it.
Do they face criminal charges?
CALLAN: Well, in theory, they would. And I have to tell you the Los Angeles United States attorney had a very active investigation into Lance Armstrong going in 2010, going into 2011. There was a grand jury that was impaneled.
And, frankly, that grand jury could still be reconstituted and reopen those investigations. Highly unlikely to happen, though, because the U.S. attorney pretty much knew everything that we know now except he didn't have the benefit of Armstrong's on-air confession and said I'm not going to pursue the charges. Had they pursued the charges and had other people been in a conspiracy with Lance Armstrong, they could have theoretically been implicated. But I don't think you're going to see that happen. And in terms of this interview itself, he pretty much kept the liability and the blame all on his own shoulders. He really incorporate his team managers or his team doctors in any appreciable way.
BLACKWELL: Yes, over and over, he said, I want to talk about me. I'm not comfortable talking about other people. So maybe that was something that -- some advice that came from his attorneys.
So let's talk about motive, because there's speculation that he could work something out with USADA, the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, to avoid this lifetime cycling ban, to have this ban lifted if he names names.
We spoke with David Hyman (ph) of WADA (ph) and he wants him under oath giving these names.
But if there's potential for another legal challenge or other legal challenges, why bother there?
CALLAN : You know, I don't know. And, frankly, I find this a bit strange, this whole idea that Lance Armstrong is doing this because he wants to run in the New York Marathon some day or he wants to get back into biking. At his age and without the use of performance-enhancing drugs, I really doubt that he's going to be seriously competitive in his field.
So why would he do this? Why would he subject himself to this? My feeling is he's facing all of these civil lawsuits and here is what's going to happen. They haul him into court, they issue a subpoena and they're going to start asking him questions, you know, about did you use drugs? And when did you use the drugs?
If he stays with the lies that he asserted in 2005, he will be committing perjury again and be subjecting himself to criminal exposure.
Now he appears on Oprah, gives a full confession and now when he goes into these depositions, he's going to say, hey, I've already admitted that I was doping and I was using the drugs. And he's not going to get tortured by lawyers, question by question. And he's going to eliminate the possibility of future perjury.
So I think he is thinking about his legal situation more so than his sports situation in coming forward and getting this done.
BLACKWELL: Yes. This wasn't just a mea culpa for emotion. This was something that was probably very carefully crafted by his team of attorneys.
CALLAN : I think so.
BLACKWELL: One other thing, that aside from the endorsements and the sport that a lot of people care about is Livestrong, the cancer charity he started. Could they possibly face some legal consequences?
CALLAN : Well, I don't think they will. But I think it's a really tragic situation. And you know, when you see this guy talk, Victor, I mean, there's a duality to his personality. He has got this wonderful charity; he has helped so many people through this charity.
And yet at the same time, he was engaging in criminal activity, you know, using drugs that are illegal drugs and then not only doing that, but I think the real knock on him is when people told the truth about him, his teammates told the truth about him, he sued them. He accused them of being liars and he destroyed lives.
So he's got this -- you know, he's got sort of a split personality. But I think we all have to hope that his charity will survive because it has certainly been helpful to a lot of people and it has not been implicated in any way in criminal or illegal activity. So I'm hopeful that the foundation will survive.
BLACKWELL: He admitted in that first night that, at his height, at the height of his fame, he was part jerk and part humanitarian. And we are certainly seeing the parts of what he has confessed so far for some of those things that come to be true.
Paul Callan from New York, thank you so much.
CALLAN: Nice being with you.
BLACKWELL: All right. So if you're looking for some presidential inauguration collectibles, from buttons to collectible champagne glasses and things that are much more unusual than that, we're checking out some of the most popular and most bizarre things to remember this weekend.
But first, when traveling to other cities and countries, the best way to get a real taste of the place, I find, is through the local food. I love to eat wherever I go. Now CNN iReporters teamed up with "Travel & Leisure" magazine to create a global list of 100 places to eat like a local.
Here is CNN's Paula Hancocks in Seoul, South Korea, with a sample.
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PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I'm Paula Hancocks in Seoul. And when I want to eat like a local here, I come downtown to this Korean barbecue restaurant called Miga -- or River of Flavor.
I'll have the assorted meat dish, please.
Korean barbecue is as much about the trimmings as it is about the meat. All of these side dishes that they give you are free and you can basically ask for as many refills as you want. You only pay for the meat. Now here you have got the kimchi. This is the pickled vegetable dish that Korea is famous for.
And finally, the meat. (Inaudible). Now this is Hanu beef. This is from a special breed of cattle raised here in Korea. And the animals themselves are pretty much treated like royalty. Some farmers will massage them because they believe that it increases the blood flow. And others will actually feed them beer within their feed because they believe that that actually makes the meat taste juicier.
And this marbling, all the fat you can see running through the meat is very important for flavor.
This is usually a very social event, the Korean barbecue. You would have a big group of friends or work colleagues around you and you'd also usually be sampling the local tipple, which is called soju. Now this is a rice distilled liquor, it's quite similar in taste to something like vodka, but it is lunchtime so I won't be partaking.
And once the meat is cooked, then you eat. There's a process to this, though. Let me show you.
First of all, you dip the meat into the red bean paste, put it on the lettuce leaf. You can add whatever you want. It's really up to you. There's garlic. I'm going to have it raw, but you can have it cooked. Little bit of salad, anything else you fancy. And then you wrap it up, just like you wrap up a parcel, and then you pop it in your mouth.
So if you want to eat like a tourist, stick to the guide book. But if you want to eat like a local, come down to Miga.
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BLACKWELL: We can't drink at lunch? Who made up that rule? iReporters, here's your chance to help us create a food lovers' map of the world.
Go to iReport.com/100places. And I'm going to give you a sentence. Whenever I go to "blank" I have to go to "blank". Fill in those blanks, send us a photo of your favorite restaurant and dish and why it's special and how you discovered this place. And the list of the 100 places to eat like a local will be revealed in March and some iReporters will be on that list. So stay tuned to see if you're one of them.
KAYE: Welcome back. And a very good morning, Washington. There's a live look at our set here for CNN on the National Mall as we prepare for the inauguration.
In just two days, millions will be watching President Obama take the oath of office. You can watch it, of course, right here on CNN.
But for some of the 800,000 people who are lucky enough to be here in Washington, this weekend will make for a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity that's even worth paying to remember. Emily Schmidt reports.
EMILY SCHMIDT, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): An inauguration comes down to this: one hand on a Bible, the other raised in an oath.
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: -- solemnly swear --
SCHMIDT: That's the moment in history which makes so many others try to get their hands on this.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many different ways can you say you support Obama?
SCHMIDT: The presidential inaugural committee store is up and running --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (Inaudible).
SCHMIDT: -- ready for shoppers marking the occasion with officially sanctioned made in the U.S. memorabilia.
(on camera): What are you seeing that you like?
DIANN MCCOY, SHOPPER: I like everything. And that's my problem, because just being such a historic event, I want to have a lot of merchandise to share and a lot of merchandise to give other people who could not come and visit.
SCHMIDT: It is likely President Obama will take the oath of office on what will be a cold January day. So people are stocking up on warm sweatshirts and these official hats, even some official blankets. The one thing sold out today, the official tube socks. They're coming in tomorrow. But people point out, still available online.
(voice-over): Washington is preparing for an expected crowd of about 900,000 people. They'll need to eat, so about 100 permits have been issued for food trucks and vendors, down from the first Obama inaugural, but three times as many as the second President Bush event.
(on camera): In business it's all about location. And right here, one block from the White House, it doesn't get much closer to the president. These vendors are preparing for big crowds. They've got 60 of these "Witness to History" t-shirts ready to go. Their challenge, they have to sell now because by Monday, the day of inauguration, they'll have to move farther away for security reasons.
SYLVIA NORRIS, INAUGURAL VOLUNTEER: When I got the e-mail saying I was selected to be a volunteer, I was excited, ecstatic.
SCHMIDT (voice-over): Sylvia Norris will be an inaugural volunteer Monday. She hasn't been told yet what she will be doing. She says it doesn't matter, as long as she's there, making the same memories others are paying so much to have. NORRIS: If I could afford it, I would do it. And why not? It's all part of history.
SCHMIDT (on camera): Members of Congress are passing out their allotted tickets to the inaugural swearing-in ceremony. The tickets are free and they are printed with "not for sale". However, if you look at online sites like Craigslist and eBay, you'll see plenty of tickets up for sale, selling memories at a price, ranging in price from hundreds to thousands of dollars.
Emily Schmidt, CNN, Washington.
KAYE: President Obama will also face a whole lot of challenges in his second term: jobs, tax reform, an unstable Middle East, just to name a few. So tonight at 8:00 pm Eastern time, Fareed Zakaria will get advice and solutions from some top former officials in "Memo to the President: Road Map for a Second Term". Once again, you'll find that tonight on CNN at 8:00 pm Eastern time.
Two hundred twenty-four years of inaugurations, they have come in every shape and size from Roosevelt to Bush. And, well, another Roosevelt to another Bush. We'll look back at all the top moments.
But first a question for all the political junkies tuned in and watching this morning: what month has had the most presidential inaugurations? Now, no cheating. Don't go to Google. But if you do know the answer, tweet me @RandiKayeCNN.
KAYE: Before the break, I asked you this question. If you knew the answer, what month has had the most presidential inaugurations? The answer: March. That's right. That was the traditional month until it was changed in the 1930s.
FDR was the first to have his inauguration in January. Nice job, everybody, on that question.
Well, they are the 35 most important words in American politics. And together they make up the Presidential Oath of Office. We put together the last 100 years of inaugurations, including some of those speeches. Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, this is not Carnival Day in Punkin Center. It is the day of days in Washington, D.C.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Presidential --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Presidential --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oath of Office.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here comes the inaugural parade.
CHIEF JUSTICE WARREN BURGER: Are you prepared to take the oath of office as President of the United States?
GERALD FORD, 38TH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I am, sir.
BURGER: Put your hand on the Bible and raise your right hand.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Raise your right hand.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you will, raise your right hand and repeat after me.
CHIEF JUSTICE WILLIAM REHNQUIST: Repeat after me: I, William Jefferson Clinton do solemnly swear --
JIMMY CARTER, 39TH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I, Jimmy Carter --
OBAMA: I, Barack Hussein Obama --
GEORGE W. BUSH, 43RD PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I, George Walker Bush, do solemnly swear --
JOHN F. KENNEDY, 35TH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: And I will faithfully execute the office --
RICHARD NIXON, 37TH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: And I will faithfully execute the office --
JOHN ROBERTS, CHIEF JUSTICE: -- execute the office as President of the United States faithfully.
Faithfully the president -- office of President of the United States --
OBAMA: -- President of the United States faithfully --
GEORGE H. W. BUSH, 41ST PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: -- will to the best of my ability --
WILLIAM J. CLINTON, 42ND PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: -- will to the best of my ability --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Eisenhower began his second term as leader not only of America, but of all free people.
RONALD REAGAN, 40TH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Preserve --
KENNEDY: -- protect --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- defend --
LYNDON B. JOHNSON, 36TH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: -- Preserve protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson and the grief- stricken widow with him, takes the oath aboard the jet, which brings him, together with the body of the late president, back to Washington.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The flag flies at half-staff. President Truman asks the full Roosevelt cabinet to remain in office.
EARL WARREN, CHIEF JUSTICE: So help you God.
JOHNSON: So help me God.
OBAMA: So help me God.
CLINTON: So help me God.
FORD: So help me God.
NIXON: So help me God.
GEORGE W. BUSH: So help me God.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So help me God.