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Alabama Hostage Crisis; Dow Closes Above 14,000; Bitter Cold Through Most of The U.S.; The Week That Was; Super Bowl Ads on YouTube; Taliban Militants Claim Responsibility for Attack on Army Base in Pakistan; Obama Administration Offers Compromise to Faith- Based Groups on Birth Control; Kerry Sworn in as Secretary of State

Aired February 2, 2013 - 06:00   ET


RANDI KAYE, CNN ANCHOR: From CNN world headquarters in Atlanta, this is EARLY START WEEKEND.

As the standoff in Alabama enters its fifth day, a five-year-old boy remains hostage underground. Now, new information about his captor.

Sex, lies, and murder. The Jodi Arias case is unfolding like a late night movie. I'll talk with Nancy Grace, whose been inside the courtroom all week.

And forget all that exercise. Are there foods that can burn your fat? We'll break down the facts and the myths.

It is Saturday, February 2nd. Good morning, everyone. Glad you're with us. I'm Randi Kaye.

We start this morning in Alabama and the desperate waiting game for police and the parents of one little boy. The five-year-old is now being held underground for a fifth straight day. This while police wait outside his makeshift prison, negotiating with the person who grabbed him off a school bus earlier this week. My colleague Victor Blackwell is keeping an eye on the story in Midland City, Alabama, and he joins me now on the telephone.

Victor, good morning.

So, did they keep talking with this suspect throughout the night?

VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (via telephone): Well, Randi, from the latest we've received from local, state and federal investigators, this negotiating continues around the clock. Now, what we do know happened overnight was that the temperature, the temperature dipped below freezing for the first time during this ordeal. And we've learned from sources close to the negotiating process that they likely had heating in this bunker. So this -- the temperature was moderated overnight.

But we have learned more about this potential relationship between this man, Jimmy Lee Dykes, who has the kindergartener in this bunker, and the man he allegedly shot, Charles Poland, on Tuesday. We're told that Poland, the bus driver, every day would kind of drive at the end of the road that led up to Jimmy Lee Dykes property. And from everyone we've spoken with, the neighbors here in Midland City, Jimmy Lee Dykes was very protective of his property. Walked the property line some nights with a gun and a flashlight. And he was angered by this man, Poland, driving over his property.

We've been actually told by a friend who has known Poland for 20 years that Charles Poland went to Dykes with eggs from his own home and homemade jellies to try to smooth things over. That did not work. And possibly, according to this friend, this bus driving over the road at every day, at the end of the route, was the catalyst for what happened on Tuesday.

Authorities here have not said much in the past two days. On Thursday, they canceled every news conference. Any news conference they held on Friday, they came out to say there's nothing new to say. So they're keeping all the facts very close to the vest. But, again, day five of this standoff here in Midland City.

KAYE: And, Victor, do police have any idea how long this suspect could stay and could survive in this bunker?

BLACKWELL: If they know, they have not told us. This man is described as a survivalist. He went out, as we're told by neighbors, and dug this bunker by hand. We've spoken with neighbors who have seen him and heard him at odd hours of the night, 1:00, 2:00, 3:00 in the morning, digging. And as a survivalist, the assumption is, and again no confirmation from authorities, that he could have food in there for a long period of time. Supplies to last them for who knows how long. But, again, day five and we'll see how long this goes, Randi.

KAYE: All right, Victor, thank you. We'll check back with you throughout the morning.

To California now where a member of Charles Manson's so-called family could be getting out of prison. CNN has learned that the state parole board is recommending freedom for Bruce Davis. Davis was sentenced to life in prison, along with Charles Manson himself back in 1972. They were convicted in connection with the murders of two men at the family ranch. Davis wasn't involved in the more notorious murder of Sharon Tate. His parole was blocked by former Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger three years ago. Current governor, Jerry Brown, has 30 days to decide if Davis will be set free.

In Illinois, a convicted murder who was mistakenly released now back behind bars this morning. Police captured Steven Robbins last night about 60 miles from Chicago. On Tuesday, Robbins was supposed to be transferred from Chicago back to the Indiana prison where he's serving a 60-year sentence. Investigators aren't saying what led them to Robbins' hiding spot.

Now to security concerns at Twitter. The social media site says around 250,000 accounts were compromised by hackers. They gained access to user names and email addresses. Twitter's security chief says they stopped one attack as it was happening. They believe the breach may be linked to similar ones by suspected Chinese hackers on "The New York Times" and "The Wall Street Journal." At least 60 Harvard students have been forced to temporarily withdraw from school after being linked to a cheating scandal at the university. Harvard releasing details of their investigation into the incident that first came to light last August. One hundred and twenty- five students allegedly cheated on a take-home exam.

To your money now, and a milestone for Wall Street. For the first time since 2007, the Dow Jones closed above 14,000. The stock market's rise has put it back in line with more prosperous times.

CNN's Alison Kosik has more now.


ALISON KOSIK, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: OK, Randi, party like it's 2007. On Friday, the Dow closed above 14,000. It's a milestone we haven't seen since 2007. But here at the NYSE, we hardly heard a peep from traders when it happened. No hooting and hollering like in years past. Maybe it's the been there, done that attitude.

Still, the Dow hit the mark thanks to some upbeat economic data. Wall Street saw the January jobs report as good enough, even though investors really expected better. Also, consumer confidence and manufacturing rose. That pushed stocks over the edge.

But the momentum has been there for a while. The Dow has been powering higher ever since it hit rock bottom back in 2009. It fell as low as 6,500. So, hitting 14,000 is a reminder of the comeback. But most analysts we talked to say it really doesn't mean much. Instead, they've got their eyes on the next big one.

JEREMY SIEGEL, WHARTON SCHOOL OF BUSINESS: These are certainly nice round numbers. I mean I personally think it will be more of an event once we break through that October 2007 all-time high. That is more of a milestone than just going through a thousand marker, which we, again, have done before.

KOSIK: And it's that all-time high of 14,164 that we're watching for now.

Randi, back to you.


KAYE: Alison, thank you very much.

And here's a closer look now at the January jobs number. The latest report showed that 157,000 jobs were added last month, while the unemployment rate ticked up a notch to 7.9 percent. Friday's report showed construction was a bright spot. It was one of the hardest hit sectors in the recession, but it's coming back stronger as the housing market shows signs of life.

Well, today is Groundhog Day, which, according to folklore, means we'll learn if the colder weather could soon be behind us. Take a look here. You're looking at some live pictures of Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania. That's where Punxsutawney Phil is expected to shuffle out of his borough in about an hour or so to predict if there will be an early spring or six more weeks of winter. You can see, they're getting the party started there.

Well, until he comes out, though, we'll have to rely on meteorologist Alexandra Steele.

We think you are way more reliable, Alexandra, than any groundhog, that's for sure.

ALEXANDRA STEELE, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Well, he's got a 39 percent accuracy rate, just for the record, OK. And he --

KAYE: Yes. Yes. You're better than that.

STEELE: Right. So I think that the bar is low. I can do that.

But, you know, of the last 116 times, he's seen his shadow 100 of those times. So the propensity is certainly to see his shadow. And last year he saw his shadow, meaning six more weeks of winter, and we had the fourth warmest winter on record. So nothing against the guy, but, today, mostly cloudy. So it doesn't look like he'll see it. But at 7:25, it will be cold. We know that. Don't need him for that. Eight degrees. And the wind chill, it will feel like four below. So, Pennsylvania will certainly be cold, no question about it.

And we're going to watch this little clipper move through. You can see some snow showers. Nothing too robust. But from Chicago to Cinnci and Cleveland, maybe one to three inches. But, you know, kind of a quick moving hitter. But temperatures are cold, no question about that. And we do have winter weather advisory. You can see, Tennessee, Kentucky, here in West Virginia, northwest and also southwest Pennsylvania.

So on the whole, a little bit of snow moving through, but certainly the cold air is well in place and a little bit of this moisture, of course, some snow showers. But temperatures well below average for so much of the country. Highs today, only 25 in Albany, 19 in Binghamton. You can see 20s and 30s here in the Northeast, down through the Mid- Atlantic. But the twin cities, 12 today, 16 tomorrow, on average 25. So well below average. From Green Bay to Chicago, no question about that, temperatures are well below average. And the wind chill's feeling like 13 below right now in Fargo, 14 below in Minneapolis.

So how about the forecast for the big game? Are you going to be watching? Here's a look. It's going to be tomorrow. Well, of course, we know that. 6:30 kickoff. Outdoor -- now it is indoors. That temperature's 70. But out there, with tailgating, 60 degrees. No problems weather wise. Just a north wind five to 10 miles per hour and sunny skies.

So, a big weekend. We've got the game tomorrow. We've got Groundhog Day today. So a lot of weather to talk about.

KAYE: All right, Alexandra, thank you very much.

STEELE: Sure. KAYE: And, of course, stick around, because we will see what Punxsutawney Phil says here.

STEELE: With bated breath.

KAYE: Oh, yes. Just about an hour from now.

All right, so how did Manti Te'o get tricked by a man who pretended to be a woman? We'll have the voice mails and the hoaxer actually doing the voice. You can decide for yourself if you would have fallen for it.


KAYE: Welcome back.

Now to the scandal that's captured the nation's attention. How a 22- year-old man tricked Notre Dame football star Manti Te'o into believing he was not only a woman but the love of Te'o's life. If you're asking yourself how it could have happened, well, take a listen to this. Te'o appeared on ABC's "Katie" and shared a voice mail he says was from his girlfriend Lennay.


"LENNAY KEKUA": Hey, babe, I'm just calling to say good night. I love you. I know you're probably doing homework or you're with the boys or grubbing -- fatty. But I just wanted to say I love you and goodnight.


KAYE: If you thought that voice sounded like a woman's, well, you fell for it too. Ronaiah Tuiasosopo told TV's Dr. Phil it was actually him on that recording. In the second part of the interview, Dr. Phil asked Tuiasosopo to do Lennay's voice to prove it with him. He agreed to do it, but only behind a privacy screen.


RONAIAH TUIASOSOPO, SAYS HE TRICKED MANTI TE'O: Hi, babe, I'm calling to say good night. I love you. I know you're probably doing homework or with the boys or grubbing -- fatty. I'll just want to say I love you and goodnight.


KAYE: Dr. Phil asked him to do the voice again. This time leaving a voicemail from his home phone while a producer from the show watched.


TUIASOSOPO: Hi, babe, I'm calling to say good night. I love you. I know you're probably doing homework or with the boys or grubbing -- fatty. I'll just want to say I love you and goodnight and I'll be OK. I'll be OK tonight. I'll do my best. Yes. So get your rest and I'll talk to you tomorrow. Love you so much, hon. Sweet dreams. (END AUDIO CLIP)

KAYE: Dr. Phil said three voice analysts who heard that last record said Tuiasosopo's voice matched the one on the voice mail. Tuiasosopo also claimed there was no malice behind pretending to be Te'o's girlfriend and even says that he fell in love with the football player.

Listen to how he describes how invested he was in the relationship.


TUIASOSOPO: Me, Ronaiah, I was hurting. It hurt me, it was like a brick, I was like, whoa, like, you know, I've given so much into this, and I realized right then in that moment that I poured so much into Lennay that I, myself, wasn't getting nothing. And look what I was left with, I was crying that morning, I was hurt, emotionally, all kinds of things took over. And so, right then and there, I made the decision I can't do this Lennay thing anymore.


KAYE: When he asked why he did it, he said the hoax had roots in sexual abuse he endured as a child.

Blackberry reveals a new phone, Hillary Clinton charts a new path, and Volkswagen unveils a controversial new ad. In case you missed it all, a look back now at "The Week That Was."


WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: A very, very dramatic, emotional statement.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hillary Clinton is in her final days as secretary of state.

HILLARY CLINTON, SECRETARY OF STATE: I have absolutely no plans to run.

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Take a good long look at it here. This is the Blackberry 10.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Our business depends on this new phone.

KAYE (voice-over): A brand new Blackberry, fresh new start, and a bold, opening statement this week that was.

GIFFORDS: Time is now. You must act.

KAYE: With just 72 words, former House member Gabrielle Giffords set the tone at Wednesday's Senate hearing on gun violence.

GIFFORDS: Be bold. Be courageous.

KAYE: But the NRA set a different one.

WAYNE LAPIERRE, EXEC. V.P., NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION: Law-abiding gun owners will not accept blame for the acts of violent or deranged criminals.

SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN (D), CALIFORNIA: We can't have a totally armed society.

KAYE: There was some agreement, though.

FEINSTEIN: You look pretty good, actually.

KAYE: There was also some agreement on immigration policy this week. Eight senators introducing a bipartisan blueprint for a complete overhaul.

SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R), FLORIDA: I think today's an important first step.

KAYE: But President Obama warned a first step alone won't be good enough.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: If Congress is unable to move forward in a timely fashion, I will send up a bill based on my proposal and insist that they vote on it right away.

KAYE: Ah, politics. Something Hillary Clinton won't have to worry about now. She's officially done as secretary of state. What could possibly be next?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Have you decided that you absolutely will not run?

CLINTON: Well, I have absolutely no plans to run. I am trying to finish my term as secretary of state. And the president and I had a good laugh the other night.

KAYE: During this exchange on CBS.

OBAMA: You guys in the press are incorrigible. And I was literally inaugurated four days ago.


OBAMA: And you're talking about elections four years from now.

KAYE: So, who knows, maybe we will see more texts from Hillary in the future. Blackberry would like that. The company unveiled a new phone and new name this week.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: From this point forward, RIM becomes Blackberry.

KAYE: OK, so not the most original, but how's the product?

ALICIA KEYS, MUSICIAN: I love the new browser. It's super fast. I love the hub. KAYE: Actually, Alicia Keys is paid to say that as Blackberry's new creative director.

Meantime, Volkswagen did some unveiling of its own this week. Not the car, but this Super Bowl ad.

UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR, VOLKSWAGEN AD: Oh, don't fret, (INAUDIBLE). Sticky Bun come soon. Yes. Wicked coffee, Mr. Jim.

KAYE: It's called, "Get In, Get Happy." White guy, Jamaican accent, cue the controversy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's already getting hit with accusations that it's racist.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't like it at all. It's that black face (INAUDIBLE) voices. I don't like that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I disagree. No, I disagree.

KAYE: Oh, well, not everyone can be happy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (singing): We'll make you happy.

KAYE: And that's "The Week That Was."


KAYE: CBS is refusing to play a Super Bowl ad made for an adult entertainment website. We'll show you the ad and let you decide if it should be banned from Sunday's big game.


KAYE: There are new allegations aimed at New York Yankee's star Alex Rodriguez. A new report from ESPN says Rodriguez was personally injected with performance enhancing drugs by the owner of a clinic in south Florida. The story says this happened as recently as last year. We now have this from A-Rod's spokesman. "In regards to the new allegations made in today's ESPN 'Outside The Line' story, we can say that they are not true."

Major League Baseball is investigating the clinic Biogenesis and claims that several other players are involved. Biogenesis closed down last year.

Hall of Fame golfer Vijay Singh could be in trouble after admitting he used deer antler spray. Singh says he didn't know the product, a natural hormone that boosts muscle growth, contains a banned substance. Baltimore Ravens' star Ray Lewis, who's expected to start in tomorrow's Super Bowl, is accused of using deer antler spray to recover from a mid-season injury. It's also banned by the NFL. Lewis denies that claim.

To YouTube or not to YouTube, that is the question now that marketers are premiering their so-called Super Bowl ads online days and weeks ahead of the big game. Alexandra Steele joins me now to talk about some of these ads.

All right, so you've -- I haven't had a chance to see some of these, be you had a good look at them.

STEELE: Yes, I've seen most of them. I mean it's incredible now. The trend is longer, more storytelling, and also releasing all these early on YouTube is really what they want, the advertisers --

KAYE: Yes.

STEELE: And to create this buzz, which has certainly been done.

KAYE: Yes, it's funny, my producer pointed out, now you have to watch an ad to watch the ad, right?

STEELE: Right.

KAYE: You have to watch an ad before the ad.

STEELE: Right, so the advertisers are getting two bangs for the buck really.

KAYE: Exactly.

We want to show you this much talked about Mercedes Benz ad with this blonde bombshell Kate Upton. Take a look.


KAYE: All right. So what do you think? I mean that was pretty hot. You think it's too sexy?

STEELE: It is sexy. It's 6 million hits on YouTube already.

KAYE: Wow.

STEELE: So, I mean, advertisers with this one certainly patting themselves on the back. They're trying to sell this new CLA Mercedes Benz. I mean, and we're talking about it. So it's a win.

KAYE: Yes.

STEELE: I mean the best is if you like it. The worst is if you don't, right?

KAYE: Right.

STEELE: But if you're not talking about it and you don't care, that's really the worst.

KAYE: Right. Right.

All right, we got one more. Let's -- I mean talk about sexy, right? The 16-second Calvin Klein preview. Made my producer flip out in our show meeting. So watch this.


KAYE: You like it?


KAYE: I do like it. I admit I like it.

STEELE: A model -- his name is Matthew Terry and he's a model. And, you know, what this speaks to, 60 percent of women versus 47 percent of men watch the advertisements.

KAYE: Hmm, so that's why.

STEELE: So this is who they're talking to, right.

KAYE: Yes. Well, somebody I think on YouTube said it was the best 16 seconds ever.

STEELE: Right.

KAYE: I might have to agree with that. That was pretty good.

All right, finally, a pornography site. Yes, a porn site, made an ad of its own, but CBS refused to air it. So take a look at this one.


STEELE: Interesting.

KAYE: Not.

STEELE: All right, so that's from PornHub. So, CBS won't air that because it's for a PornHub, you know, website.

KAYE: Right.

STEELE: And place. But the thing is, how ironic, right? I mean the -- it's ultimate irony when the others are so sexy and that is so not.

KAYE: Yes, and they're not.

STEELE: But, you know, critics say the dust up on that is just a publicity stunt for PornHub --

KAYE: Yes, they're getting it anyway. Right.

STEELE: Because we're talking -- who's ever heard of PornHub?

KAYE: Exactly. And they're getting all the attention anyway.

STEELE: Right.

KAYE: All right, Alexandra, thank you very much. We'll get back to you --

STEELE: Yes, I can't wait to watch. KAYE: Right.

STEELE: Now you know everything. Oh, I've seen that one before.

KAYE: I know. I know. Well, there's plenty more. We'll watch. It's a long game.

STEELE: Uh-huh.

KAYE: All right. And since we are just one day away from Super Bowl XLVII, CNN is live in New Orleans with our take on the biggest sporting event in the country. "Kickoff In New Orleans: A CNN Bleacher Report Special." That is today at 4:00 p.m. Eastern Time.

Hillary Clinton wraps up her time in public service with an emotional farewell. A thank you to the president and two crises overseas. We'll take a look back at her busy final day as secretary of state.


KAYE: It is 30 minutes past the hour. Welcome back, everyone, I'm Randi Kaye. Thanks for starting your day with us. Here's some stories that we're watching.

The suicide bomber who attacked the U.S. embassy in Turkey's capital was known to the U.S. That's what a law enforcement source tells CNN. Turkish police say the bomber was this man, a member of a radical leftist group. In 1997, he attacked Turkish police headquarters. A security guard was killed when the bomber blew himself up outside the U.S. embassy in Ankara yesterday, a Turkish journalist was injured.

Taliban militants are claiming responsibility for a deadly attack on an Army base in northwest Pakistan. Authorities say at least six soldiers and a dozen militants were killed. Ten civilians also died when one of the militants went into a nearby house and blew himself up.

The Obama administration is offering a compromise to faith-based groups on birth control. It's proposing revised guidelines that would allow them to opt out of federal requirements that they provide their employees with health insurance coverage for contraceptives under the new health care reform law. Women who work for nonprofit faith- affiliated hospitals, universities, and other institutions could still receive contraceptives through separate health policies at no charge.

Senator Robert Menendez is facing a possible Senate ethics probe about whether he accepted improper gifts from a prominent Democratic donor. The New Jersey Senator acknowledges he flew on the man's private plane several times to the Dominican Republic, but insists the trips were paid for appropriately. He's also strongly denied allegations he had sex parties with prostitutes in the Caribbean. FBI agents search the donors' offices this week. A law enforcement source says the raid was sparked when a shredding truck was spotted on the property.

Well, it is official, John Kerry now the U.S. Secretary of State. He was sworn in yesterday by Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan, as the country's top diplomat. He succeeds Hillary Clinton.

And the now former secretary of state is waking up this morning to a brand new life. But as she herself says, she may be calling up the State Department to find out what's going on there. Staffers packed the State Department building yesterday for her farewell. They held signs saying "Thank you" and cheered and applauded Clinton.

CNN's Jill Dougherty is at the State Department.

JILL DOUGHERTY, CNN FOREIGN AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: Randi, Secretary Clinton's last day at the office included meetings, farewells, and a crisis.



DOUGHERTY: On her last afternoon as secretary of state, an emotional farewell to the State Department staff Hillary Clinton led for four years.

HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: I will miss you, I will probably be dialing ops just to talk.


CLINTON: I will wonder what you all are doing because I know that because of your efforts day after day, we are making a real difference.

DOUGHERTY: But early Friday morning, even before she left her house, reports of a suicide bombing outside the U.S. embassy in Ankara, Turkey. Clinton was briefed by her staff, then was driven to the State Department where she called the U.S. ambassador to Turkey and the Turkish foreign minister. At the same time, Senator John Kerry, the man who within hours would succeed Clinton as secretary of state was briefed by his staff on the attack. Arriving at his Senate office for the last time, Kerry brushed off questions about the attack in Turkey saying he was still a senator and wasn't going to get into that.

VICTORIA NULAND, STATE DEPARTMENT, SPOKESWOMAN: As you know, though, we only have one secretary of state at a time. So, she's the sitting secretary until 4:00 and then he will take over and take up his duties, obviously the difficult day for both of them for this to happen.

DOUGHERTY: Hillary Clinton, then, drove to the White House for a farewell meeting with President Obama. She formally submitted a letter of resignation saying "I am more convinced than ever in the strength and staying power of America's global leadership. And our capacity to be a force for good in the world."

Then, just hours before leaving the State Department for good, more breaking news. Riots at the presidential palace in Egypt.

But now for Hillary Clinton, private citizen, all that is in John Kerry's hands.


DOUGHERTY: The new secretary of state already is planning his first official trip, according to a U.S. official. John Kerry expected to travel to Israel and Egypt, perhaps as soon as the middle of February. Also, a western diplomat saying that he has been invited to some European capitals. Randi.

KAYE: Jill Dougherty, thank you very much.

Attorneys for Jodi Arias say that she shot and killed her boyfriend in self-defense. And it seems the jurors have a lot of questions about the evidence. So what does it mean for this accused killer? We'll ask Nancy Grace.


KAYE: We now know a Dallas area prosecutor who was gunned down in broad daylight outside of a courthouse feared for his life. That is according to a close friend of Mark Hasse. He was shot and killed Thursday while on his way to work, but his friend says he didn't say why he felt threatened.


COLLEEN A. DUNBAR, FRIEND OF SLAIN DISTRICT ATTORNEY: He said I've been threatened. I said, who's threatening you? He said I don't know. He had his gun on him when he would leave the courthouse. He said, you know, Colleen, there are three exits to the courthouse. I go out a different exit every day now. And I have my gun drawn.

And he said that when he came out, he would look both ways.


KAYE: Today, the police manhunt for possible suspects continues and police are offering a reward of more than $60,000 to find that man's killer.

Allegations of abuse, naked pictures, and murder. If you weren't awake yet, well, that should do it for you. We're talking about the Jodi Arias case. Prosecutors in Phoenix say that she took naked pictures of her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander moments before shooting and stabbing him and slitting his throat. Arias claims self-defense.

I spoke earlier with HLN's Nancy Grace who has been in the courtroom for this gripping case all week. I do have to warn you, though, a couple of these images are graphic.


NANCY GRACE, HOST, HLN'S "NANCY GRACE": Well, Randi, there's always a chance for acquittal. We certainly learned that in the tot mom Casey Anthony trial and, of course, before that the O.J. Simpson case. When you think the evidence is so incredibly strong for the state, then the jury can surprise you. So there's no doubt in my mind that an acquittal is lurking amongst the jurors. There's always that possibility.

KAYE: If not, though, I mean do you see a second-degree murder charge? Or a death penalty? And if so, why?

GRACE: Well, I'll tell you this jury has been all over the board. And this is how we know a little of their thinking, Randi. In this jurisdiction in Arizona, the jury is allowed to ask questions. Now, I encountered that, as well, when I was prosecuting. Jurors were allowed to ask questions.

And it's a pretty sterile setting. They write down their questions. They hand them to the bailiff who hands them to the judge. And if they are non-objectionable, such as they don't call for hearsay or some other problem under the law, the judge will ask them and ask the witness the question and the witness will answer. So, it's done under kind of lab conditions.

But last week, we saw some very disturbing questions for the state. The jury was asking, Randi, well, did you check out the roommates. They were asking this of the lead detective. What about Travis Alexander's roommates? What's their alibi? What were they doing? OK, that's bad, because -- in the defense opening statement, Randi, the defense lawyer said she did it. My client -- stabbed him to death. But the jury was still asking about alibis for the roommates. OK. That's not good.

KAYE: Yes, that's not good.

GRACE: This week, it got a little more on the road. The jury started asking questions that were more feasible or understandable questions. I think that a murder two is a possibility. I still think that they could convict on murder one. One thing that's disturbing among many, Randi, is that we uncovered that there was a point in time where Jodi Arias was begging to plead guilty to murder two to state under oath on the Bible, I murdered Travis Alexander, murder two. When the state rejected that, she then switched her defense to self-defense.

KAYE: Yes.

GRACE: So that -- this is a charade.

KAYE: It's always so interesting to watch how the defendant holds up. I mean at one point, I know she broke down during the trial. How do you think she's doing?

GRACE: Randi, she's like a water faucet. She cries on and off all the time. She typically cries when a discussion to the wounds to Travis Alexander is taking place or photos of him. All sliced up. And her hand. Other than that, she's remained pretty stoic. She sits very demurely in court, usually looking down. Every time I've seen her and I was about maybe 15, 20 feet away from her and watched her the entire time. She'll pull all this hair down like a shower curtain over her face so the jury doesn't see her face and she writes and doodles. Some of those doodles have gone on eBay and they're asking like almost $2,000 for a Jodi Arias courtroom doodle.

KAYE: Oh, mine.

GRACE: She has her chair screwed down, it's an adjustable chair, an office chair, and you can see the chair backs, and she's sitting way down beside her two lawyers to make her look even more diminutive. Occasionally, she's gone out and got some glasses, she'll push these glasses up every once in a while, but she never makes eye contact with anyone.

KAYE: Do you think she'll take the stand?

GRACE: You know, Randi, that's the million dollar question. Conventional wisdom is never place your client on the stand because it's not worth. Whatever they say, what will happen to them on cross- examination. It's basically -- I don't know if you ever heard this quote. "Better to remain silent and let others think, you and us, than to speak and confirm their suspicions." Well, that goes for guilt too. Better to let them wonder if you're guilty in terms of to get on the stand and choke up so badly on cross -- then they know you're guilty. But since she's arguing self-defense, Randi, that's a conundrum --

KAYE: Yes.

GRACE: -- because no one else can explain to the jury what happened that day in the shower, or at least her version, other than her.


KAYE: A huge big deal and a bombshell. Next hour, Nancy Grace talks about big headline that just came out this week about another case. And here's a hint, it involves a child beauty queen.

Love them or hate them, veggies are so good for you and could reduce your chances of heart disease, the number one killer in the western world. We will explain. And here we have Desiree Nathanson looking like Dana White. We'll be right back.


KAYE: It is February, heart month, and this story really caught our eye. According to the "American Journal of Clinical Nutrition," vegetarians are about a third less likely to die or even need treatment as a result of heart disease, and here's why.

Heart disease is the number one killer in the western world. This is why this is important, 83 million Americans have some form of cardiovascular disease. And risk factors for heart disease like obesity are at an all-time high. And if that doesn't convince you, listen to this. According to CDC, in 2010, the total cost of cardiovascular diseases in the U.S. were estimated to be $444 billion.

Fitness and nutrition expert Desiree Nathanson joins me now to talk about vegetables. We have a whole lot of vegetables here.

DESIREE NATHANSON, FITNESS AND NUTRITION EXPERT: Yes. KAYE: This is -- I mean I could just dive right into this table.


KAYE: This is me. But let's talk about this meatless diet, right? Because it could be hard for some Americans to swallow, right?

NATHANSON: Definitely.

KAYE: So, but there are some healthy vegetables that they can start with, maybe baby steps?

NATHANSON: Yes, absolutely.

KAYE: What do you recommend?

NATHANSON: These are all great choices here. I'm probably going to take them home with me, actually. We have some corn, which tends to be a starchier vegetable. So you don't want to (inaudible) on that. Carrots are wonderful, asparagus, eggplants, broccoli, and, of course, kale is the new and exciting super food.

KAYE: Yes, there is a lot of super foods out there.


KAYE: All right. Let's go through some of them, so we know why they are so good for us. Let's start with kale. Tell me why it's amazing for you and why you shouldn't have too much of it.

NATHANSON : Well, dark leafy green vegetables have tons of vitamins and minerals and antioxidants. With kale and spinach and other dark leafy greens, they tend to have oxalates, which if eaten too much, can cause kidney stones. So, just because something's good for you, doesn't mean you want to eat that entire bin right there in one sitting.

KAYE: Right. OK. Good to know. Broccoli, I'm a big fan of broccoli.

NATHANSON: Broccoli is --


KAYE: Only not as a kid, though. Now I am.


KAYE: But this actually has protein, right?

NATHANSON: Yes, dark, leafy green vegetables do have some protein. And people think in order to get protein, they have to sit down and eat a steak. But if you're getting two, three, four grams here and there, you'll end up with a nice amount at the end of the day.

KAYE: And asparagus, also big fan of that. How nutritious is that? NATHANSON: Oh, asparagus is wonderful. Again, lots of vitamins and minerals. Basically if you eat a rainbow of vegetables, you've got your multivitamins.

KAYE: It's a diuretic too, right?


KAYE: Yes.

NATHANSON: But so is water.


KAYE: That's true. That's true. But you've got -- there's some other good stuff in there.

NATHANSON: Yes, definitely

KAYE: All right, so we came across this little rumor that's been floating out there. Can -- can these vegetables actually help you burn fat? I mean is that true?

NATHANSON: I'm so glad you asked that, Randi. No, there is no fat- burning food. And I like the State Farm commercial that's on now saying if it's on the Internet, it must be true. It is not.

KAYE: So, then why -- then why does everybody say that? That this food can burn fat or help you burn fat. Does it increase your metabolism in any way?

NATHANSON: No. It's the small amount that it can change or effect is so negligible, it doesn't even count. But if you're eating a diet rich in vegetables, lean meats, whole grains --

KAYE: You're fuller longer, right?

NATHANSON: Yes. You're eating more calories.

KAYE: Right.

NATHANSON: I mean this right here is very few calories, but it's a lot of food.

KAYE: Right.

NATHANSON: So, you're going to be eating more, but less calories, slimming down with a balanced diet.

KAYE: So, that's why we think, oh, this is healthy --

NATHANSON: And a good fat burner, really good fat burner -- ready for this -- exercise.



KAYE: Oh, come on.


KAYE: My coach versus exercise. I don't know. All right. So let's talk about some of the pros and cons of meatless eating for those who might be considering it. Maybe they are not doing it yet?


KAYE: What do you think?

NATHANSON: You have to be an educated vegetarian. I was a vegetarian for a very long time. I was a dumb vegetarian. I ate cheese, macaroni and cheese, pastas, bread, and when I started eating meat again I lost weight, but that's because --


KAYE: Right.

NATHANSON: Yes, You are probably a smart vegetarian.

KAYE: I eat a lot like this --


KAYE: -- but then you always wonder, you know, is it OK? Are you getting enough protein?

NATHANSON: Yes, as long as you're getting some beans, lentils, legumes, nuts, quinoa, a wonderful source of protein.

KAYE: That's true.

NATHANSON: So you just have to be educated and research.

KAYE: So, for someone who is considering trying to cut back on meat and red meat in particular, I mean, there's all -- a lot of restaurants do this meatless Monday type of thing. They encourage that. But what are some of your tips? What would you encourage people to do to try and cut back?

NATHANSON: Well, when you go out to eat, for instance, if you order a steak or even chicken sometimes they put two chicken breasts or an entree or a giant steak. Just cut back right there. That can be two or three servings right there. Maybe save meat for dinner. Throughout the day, rely on other sources for protein, dairy, legumes, beans and things like that. Beans and rice, that's a wonderful vegetarian dish.

KAYE: All right. So, easy.

And keep the protein really to a minimum, right? Put on a plate a lot of veggies -- a lot of veggies. NATHANSON: Yes. So you want to have, for your plate, if you have a plate, you want to have the full plate. Half of it should be fruit and veggies, mostly veggies. Fruit is wonderful too, though. And then a quarter of it protein and a quarter of it like starchy foods. Some carbohydrates, whole greens.

KAYE: All right. Excellent, great advice.

NATHANSON: Eat the rainbow.

KAYE: Oh, I love that.

NATHANSON: I think I do eat the rainbow every day.

KAYE: All right. Desiree Nathanson, nice to see you, thank you very much.

NATHANSON: Thank you, Randi.

KAYE: And you can check out more health and fitness tips on my blog, you can find out And Desiree makes some appearance on there as well.

All eyes are on the sleepy little town of Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania, this morning. That is because we're waiting to see if little Punxsutawney Phil is going to pop out of his hole in the next 30 minutes or so and tell us if we'll have a long winter. No computer models, no satellite imaging, just little Phil, his shadow, and thousands of people gathered there for the festivities. We'll take you back to Punxsutawney later as Phil gets closer to waking up.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are going to start, and when we get over here in the back, that person needs to come up and tell us what number --


KAYE: You've got to be able to laugh at yourself, right? Well, let's give it a try, shall we? CNN recently named a new president, have you heard? Former NBC chairman Jeff Zucker. And the past few weeks he has shaken things up just a little bit. And in case Zucker isn't done making changes, David Letterman weighed in this week with just a few more suggestions.


DAVID LETTERMAN: OK. Here we go. Changes now at CNN. Number ten, the "Situation Room" now hosted by the situation.


LETTERMAN: There you go.


LETTERMAN: Number nine, Sanjay Gupta's hilarious new sitcom, "Two Broke Guptas."


LETTERMAN: -- changing pronunciation from CNN to Seen.


LETTERMAN: Number seven, switching the part on David Gergen's combover. I don't know. Number six, Wolf Blitzer, shirtless, number five, no longer fact checking stories, number four --


LETTERMAN: -- president Jeff Zucker zucking everything up. Number three --



LETTERMAN: Lifting ban on anchors using steroids. Number two, Piers Morgan, deported. Number one change at CNN, more coverage of goats.

LINDA CARSON: From the American County Fair, Linda Carson, ABC 7, would you not eat my pants?




LETTERMAN: Oh, there you go. That's good.


KAYE: Pretty funny, eh? Thanks so much for starting your morning with us. We've got much more ahead on "CNN SATURDAY MORNING," which starts right now.